FabSwingers.com forum: Stephen Lawerence

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The latest revelations in this terribly sad tragedy makes mw wonder what that poor family have been through. It seems that the Met have a lot to answer for and it makes me wonder if the police are side of good.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Im quietly fuming over this. Growing up I knew the world was envious of our legal system.

This has gone on for far too long, that poor family.

The truth HAS to come out now and people she be brought to justice. Well, obviously.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The legal system has its faults but its better than most. This is institutional racism aided and abetted by a corrupt police force.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I'll come back to the thread later.... when I have had a chance to read the main bits of the report...

a lot of people will already know why..

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

who in the police thinks of these tactics.. i'm disgusted how they infiltrated those womens groups too .. having sexual relationships purely to allegedly gain information ... there must be a law against such behaviour

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26466867

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"who in the police thinks of these tactics.. i'm disgusted how they infiltrated those womens groups too .. having sexual relationships purely to allegedly gain information ... there must be a law against such behaviour "
There is its called police corruption. I feel quite sickened that a British police force would indulge in such disgraceful antics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This crime was commited when I was 15 I am now 37 the police are still fucking things up it really is sickening.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

that they may have also misled the Macpherson inquiry tells you all you need to know about a minority of bent and corrupt police..

the whole thing is disgusting, if some of them still feel that they have carte blanche to lie about a Government minister what chance do you and i have if they deem it what they need to do..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"that they may have also misled the Macpherson inquiry tells you all you need to know about a minority of bent and corrupt police..

the whole thing is disgusting, if some of them still feel that they have carte blanche to lie about a Government minister what chance do you and i have if they deem it what they need to do.. "

Lying about a Tory cabinet minister is just a bit of getting your own back.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"that they may have also misled the Macpherson inquiry tells you all you need to know about a minority of bent and corrupt police..

the whole thing is disgusting, if some of them still feel that they have carte blanche to lie about a Government minister what chance do you and i have if they deem it what they need to do..

Lying about a Tory cabinet minister is just a bit of getting your own back."

the reasons for corruption have always differed..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

After all, it's not as if the Tories and the Met are at daggers drawn about anything

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

The met police do seem to fuck things up....the shooting of the guy at stockwell....the guy in hackney with a chair leg...Stephen Lawrence..the amount that have died in custody..,

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The met police do seem to fuck things up....the shooting of the guy at stockwell....the guy in hackney with a chair leg...Stephen Lawrence..the amount that have died in custody.., "

And how many lives have they saved? Just the ones we know about will do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst you're bound to get a certain percentage of corrupt officers, it seems that they automatically close ranks to protect each other, to me this seems to suggest that it is quite widespread.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"The met police do seem to fuck things up....the shooting of the guy at stockwell....the guy in hackney with a chair leg...Stephen Lawrence..the amount that have died in custody..,

And how many lives have they saved? Just the ones we know about will do."

unfortunately in jobs like this you are only as good as your last fuck up. The good may outweigh the bad but its very easy for that to be overshadowed.

i do wonder if the truth will ever come out. The MacPherson report was supposed to be he end of it, but now this. I feel for the family, having it all bought back up through the media again and again.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Yes there is a law that has been broken multiple times, its called 'corruption of a public office' and it carries a maximum of life imprisonment but apparently that is not enough so we need a new offence of 'police corruption' according to the Home Secretary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is a swinging site. Why are we discussing such issues.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"This crime was commited when I was 15 I am now 37 the police are still fucking things up it really is sickening."

this sort of thing has been going on long before you were born .... in fact it's been going on long before i was born too, especially in the south wales police force....

here comes the rant....

since i left school i've lost count of how many people have been banged up due to fabricated evidence by them only to be released years later ..... the cardiff three (lynette white prostitute murder), the darvell brothers (swansea sex shop murder), eddie browning (the motorway murder), the newsagent murderer and two weeks ago alan charlton (the body in the carpet murder). alan charters case has been sent back for appeal not by his solicitors but by a high court judge from the criminal case review commission "because of serious concerns about the integrity of the police investigation". he's spent 23 years inside. in conection with the cardiff 3, witnesses from the trial have been jailed after being forced to commit perjury by the police while the officers responsible remain free and living off their fat pensions. the trail against the 8 officers involved was dropped when documents held on file by south wales police "disappeared". they have since re-appeared but somehow double jepordy seems to be preventing them from being taken back to court. Senior detectives in the re-inquiry were "disciplined" for making false statements then one is promoted to the Home Office policing standards division!!! you couldn't make this stuff up .... this proves that anyone who thinks that the re-introduction of capital punishment is justified obviously hasn't thought about the subject properly or is just plain mental.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"This is a swinging site. Why are we discussing such issues."

because we can

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is a swinging site. Why are we discussing such issues.

because we can

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"This is a swinging site. Why are we discussing such issues."

This is a site for a lot of different individuals who have an interest in swinging in common. We each also have many other aspects and interests.

This is the lounge. It's a forum for the "other stuff". It's kept separate so anyone bothered by that can stick to the swinging related fora.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are clearly a lot of issues within the met but as i have only ever spent short periods of time in London i dont think im best placed to comment on them.

I do however feel for the Lawrence family who are still being let down by many agencies and institutions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"that they may have also misled the Macpherson inquiry tells you all you need to know about a minority of bent and corrupt police..

the whole thing is disgusting, if some of them still feel that they have carte blanche to lie about a Government minister what chance do you and i have if they deem it what they need to do.. "

Was Hillsborough a 'minority' as well, then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is a swinging site. Why are we discussing such issues."

Plenty of other threads you can post on. Not all of us are so shallow thatvwe just talk sex all the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whilst you're bound to get a certain percentage of corrupt officers, it seems that they automatically close ranks to protect each other, to me this seems to suggest that it is quite widespread.

Personally I feel that when you look at what happened after Ian Tomlinson was effectively murdered by a Met Officer with plenty of previous for being a violent psyco then tthere is all the evidence you need to see just how wiilling and how capable the Met are at looking after their own.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"After all, it's not as if the Tories and the Met are at daggers drawn about anything

Obviously in that issue they were/still are and for the Met that was a bit of an own goal which Theresa May has and will exploit in 'reforming' them..

my point in using plebgate as an example is about for some bent police it matters not what your status is if to fit you up suits..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"that they may have also misled the Macpherson inquiry tells you all you need to know about a minority of bent and corrupt police..

the whole thing is disgusting, if some of them still feel that they have carte blanche to lie about a Government minister what chance do you and i have if they deem it what they need to do..

Was Hillsborough a 'minority' as well, then?

i think with Hilsborough you have to look at several factors, the culture of the police at that time being high on any list..

also doing as one was told regardless which some officers at the time questioned and others left the force because of that reason..

dont for a second think im supporting the actions of what they did on the day and after, i come from Liverpool and had a brother and 2 cousins at the match but was in Germany with the forces..

having to wait till late that evening to find out they were safe, speaking to mum to try and reassure her during that time was not a good experience at all..

i worked alongside them on occasion for 22 yrs and met some complete muppets also have relatives in their job, but by and large the majority do what can be a difficult job well and to try and say they are all bad just does'nt contribute to the debate..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"This is a swinging site. Why are we discussing such issues."
Because some issues that effect our society and impact on life issues take precedent over recreational sex!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would still rather be arrested, charged and held by the British police than most of the police forces in the world....

Just like on Fab, there are a few bad'uns that make the others having to work harder.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"This is a swinging site. Why are we discussing such issues."

Ah the green arrow is always my friend. Cardiff city, food hygiene and the big 4 supermarkets aren't swinging related either yet you seem to think they are OK to discuss on here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There are clearly a lot of issues within the met but as i have only ever spent short periods of time in London i dont think im best placed to comment on them.

I do however feel for the Lawrence family who are still being let down by many agencies and institutions.

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Stephen Lawrence was a law abiding young man brought up in the correct way with his whole life in front of him. The fact that we have people in society that would murder a young man because of the colour of his skin is appalling and to have the police take part in perverting the course of justice on an institutional scale is quite frankly scary. Other OPs have mentioned Hillsbourgh, Charles De Menaies Ian Tomlinson and to a lesser extent Plebgate all of which show Stephen Lawrence disgrace is a symptom of a sad society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The police originally got the people involved... thanks to our favourite newspaper, The Daily Mail, it has regularly keept the case in the publuc eye and helped in getting a conviction on some of the original gang involved...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"that they may have also misled the Macpherson inquiry tells you all you need to know about a minority of bent and corrupt police..

the whole thing is disgusting, if some of them still feel that they have carte blanche to lie about a Government minister what chance do you and i have if they deem it what they need to do..

Was Hillsborough a 'minority' as well, then?

i think with Hilsborough you have to look at several factors, the culture of the police at that time being high on any list..

also doing as one was told regardless which some officers at the time questioned and others left the force because of that reason..

dont for a second think im supporting the actions of what they did on the day and after, i come from Liverpool and had a brother and 2 cousins at the match but was in Germany with the forces..

having to wait till late that evening to find out they were safe, speaking to mum to try and reassure her during that time was not a good experience at all..

You say 'the culture of the police at the time', referring to Hillsborough, but most never left the force but still never came forward in 25 years!!!

From what I've seen on tv, protest marches, Levison ect, things haven't changed at all.

They just don't seem to understand that they're public servants, totally oblivious to it, it seems!!

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By *lay4RealCouple
over a year ago

London

"The met police do seem to fuck things up....the shooting of the guy at stockwell....the guy in hackney with a chair leg...Stephen Lawrence..the amount that have died in custody..,

And how many lives have they saved? Just the ones we know about will do."

Its all well and good saving some lives. That is what they are paid for. What about the innocent lives they have ruined. do you want to justify those???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would still rather be arrested, charged and held by the British police than most of the police forces in the world....

Just like on Fab, there are a few bad'uns that make the others having to work harder. "

Aaaaaaagh, but do these 'most police forces' have the audacity to call themselves 'the best in the world', I wonder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I read about this yesterday it made me feel sick,this morning ive read yet more and im stunned.....that poor family

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

every time something like this happens the trust that the public put in our police is eroded a little more,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" every time something like this happens the trust that the public put in our police is eroded a little more, "

The trouble is that they're so quick to cover it up & close rank; just imagine what else they've been covering up over the decades? It's disgusting!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This crime was commited when I was 15 I am now 37 the police are still fucking things up it really is sickening."

........or do you mean 'still fucking corrupt'?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"This crime was commited when I was 15 I am now 37 the police are still fucking things up it really is sickening.

........or do you mean 'still fucking corrupt'?

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well said than man or woman!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The sad fact of life is that we live in a corrupt society. Politicians have been lying to.us for years & so it seems have the police.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of the officers involved in things like Hillsborough all those years ago are now the senior officers.

Around the time of the Ian Tomlinson there were protests in London, possibly G8, where the officers involved in the kettling of protestors were filmed without there ID epaulettes, which is a requirement of their uniform. I seem to remember one girl desperate to use a toilet being battered with a truncheon for trying to get to one. He was identified but no action was taken.

Due to the nature of their employment the police need to be squeaky clean and need to be seen to come down hard on the officers that are found to be acting illegally, not the other way around. Until they do this rather than covering up for each other then they are going to be losing confidence of the people they need the support of to do their job effectively.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The sad fact of life is that we live in a corrupt society. Politicians have been lying to.us for years & so it seems have the police."

And Clerics. Don't forget those paid liars.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"who in the police thinks of these tactics.. i'm disgusted how they infiltrated those womens groups too .. having sexual relationships purely to allegedly gain information ... there must be a law against such behaviour There is its called police corruption. I feel quite sickened that a British police force would indulge in such disgraceful antics"

Where do you draw the line when it comes to undercover work?

Quite frankly I couldn't give a shit if a copper shags someone to get inside information.... especially if it closes down a human trafficking ring, saves underage girls who have been forced into the sex trade or finds active peados.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the lies.... but some of the of the things people are jumping up and down about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The sad fact of life is that we live in a corrupt society. Politicians have been lying to.us for years & so it seems have the police."

Not taking anytjing away from this terrible crime. We do live in a society l think most people are corrupt at some level. False and over bloated claims on insurance, tax evasion. Corruption is not just the preserve of those in power.

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By *uro anchorMan
over a year ago

Coventry

fuck sake its gone on long enough...

enough problems without you racist do gooders trying to make a point... still

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"This crime was commited when I was 15 I am now 37 the police are still fucking things up it really is sickening.

........or do you mean 'still fucking corrupt'?

do you actually think they are all corrupt..?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

the closing of ranks in itself is corrupt

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"fuck sake its gone on long enough...

enough problems without you racist do gooders trying to make a point... still"

just whom in your opinion is a 'do gooder' in relation to the topic racist against..?

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By *uro anchorMan
over a year ago

Coventry

"fuck sake its gone on long enough...

enough problems without you racist do gooders trying to make a point... still

just whom in your opinion is a 'do gooder' in relation to the topic racist against..?"

who cares racist non racist just do gooders its still gone too long..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This crime was commited when I was 15 I am now 37 the police are still fucking things up it really is sickening.

........or do you mean 'still fucking corrupt'?

well said than man or woman!"
PIG?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fuck sake its gone on long enough...

enough problems without you racist do gooders trying to make a point... still

just whom in your opinion is a 'do gooder' in relation to the topic racist against..?

who cares racist non racist just do gooders its still gone too long.."

Most people on the thread care about it that's why we are talking about it.

Not for me got more do gooding to do yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fuck sake its gone on long enough...

enough problems without you racist do gooders trying to make a point... still

just whom in your opinion is a 'do gooder' in relation to the topic racist against..?

who cares racist non racist just do gooders its still gone too long.."

Would you say the same if it had been your son?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This crime was commited when I was 15 I am now 37 the police are still fucking things up it really is sickening.

........or do you mean 'still fucking corrupt'?

do you actually think they are all corrupt..?"

Every single pig who was on duty; - or do you naively believe otherwise?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"This crime was commited when I was 15 I am now 37 the police are still fucking things up it really is sickening.

........or do you mean 'still fucking corrupt'?

do you actually think they are all corrupt..?

Every single pig who was on duty; - or do you naively believe otherwise?

when you use such language then any sensible debate with you has ended for me..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what about winston silcott?

Surely if the police were this all powerful illuminati then guys like him would just disappear instead of being murdering cu*ts who end up getting payouts due to technicalities.

Hilarious everyone gets the 'raysis' card out, oblivious to the fact that half the met are various ethnic minorities due to positive discrimination anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should get millions and millions in compensation but in the end that still won't change the fact they have lost their son .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This crime was commited when I was 15 I am now 37 the police are still fucking things up it really is sickening.

........or do you mean 'still fucking corrupt'?

do you actually think they are all corrupt..?

Every single pig who was on duty; - or do you naively believe otherwise?

when you use such language then any sensible debate with you has ended for me..

I understand; -you wouldn't want to

upset anyone in the sty......... but isn't that the story of Hillsborough?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is a swinging site. Why are we discussing such issues."

Bit hypocritical from someone who has put the cat among the pigeons on other threads re' muslims.....

Follow the green arrow folks

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By *sallyTV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

"fuck sake its gone on long enough...

enough problems without you racist do gooders trying to make a point... still

just whom in your opinion is a 'do gooder' in relation to the topic racist against..?

who cares racist non racist just do gooders its still gone too long..Is it wrong to "do Good" then? would Do Badders be better?"

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