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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

no my mum is nearly 80 she gets no help other than from us

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

that's my field of work and the answer is a big NO,our elderly care in this country is appalling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no most people just think old people are a nuisance, they forget they will be old themselves sooner than they think.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

no, and it seems that every time you manage to get something from local authority/government, they give it to you with one hand while taking something of equal or greater value away with the other hand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. My dad is ill and disabled and lives in an unsuitable shithole. I am doing all I can to help him, but cannot do a great deal for various reasons.

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By *vie RuthWoman
over a year ago

Just where the rainbow end.s . .

i work with elderly people suffering with dementia Believe me no about of money Is enough to help support there people and their families Who care and love them. We Dont even spend enough in research for this terrible illness and are way behind Other countrie but What new there lately

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By *aul.J.JMan
over a year ago

Sedgley

No..... my mum has parkinsons and dementia and they do bugger all but give her pills. They gave her a bench so she can get in the bath and sit and have a shower but she cant get in the bath!!!!!!! My dad has terminal cancer and they don't help him either. I'm basically their carer when I'm not at work

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

before my dad died my mum kept trying to get the gps to refer him as he was getting confused etc no way would they do it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No the government certainly doesn't - care is appalling. However, many foreign people I know are disgusted how the public also treat their family members. A Greek friend cannot understand why we would use homes etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No the government certainly doesn't - care is appalling. However, many foreign people I know are disgusted how the public also treat their family members. A Greek friend cannot understand why we would use homes etc "

Yes i can see his point. i dont like the way old people are treated as if they are stupid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My grandmother has just gone into a home at the age of 87. We as a family have cared for her between us for 15 years, but sometimes a loved one's needs are too much for the family to cope with physically in their own home.

I do agree though, that we don't do enough for our elderly people. It's all always down to budgets. Having said that - I've dealt with some fantastic carers & health professionals who really do care.

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By *nigmatic1Woman
over a year ago

A seaside town near you!

"that's my field of work and the answer is a big NO,our elderly care in this country is appalling"

Thats my field of work too and NO we definitely don't do enough but its government controlled so what chance do we have? Most have to give up their houses which is appalling!

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

"that's my field of work and the answer is a big NO,our elderly care in this country is appalling

Thats my field of work too and NO we definitely don't do enough but its government controlled so what chance do we have? Most have to give up their houses which is appalling! "
we just have to keep on doing what we are doing and hope it will make a difference to some people

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By *nigmatic1Woman
over a year ago

A seaside town near you!

"that's my field of work and the answer is a big NO,our elderly care in this country is appalling

Thats my field of work too and NO we definitely don't do enough but its government controlled so what chance do we have? Most have to give up their houses which is appalling! we just have to keep on doing what we are doing and hope it will make a difference to some people"

Well said ... there are some fantastic carers out there who really care and its a pleasure to watch the joy they bring!

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

"that's my field of work and the answer is a big NO,our elderly care in this country is appalling

Well said ... there are some fantastic carers out there who really care and its a pleasure to watch the joy they bring!"
sadly I quite often see the other side of being elderly,the abuse,the neglect and the heartbreak

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"that's my field of work and the answer is a big NO,our elderly care in this country is appalling

Well said ... there are some fantastic carers out there who really care and its a pleasure to watch the joy they bring!"

My daughter is a carer in a nursing home and she is very good at her job but she gets very angry when other carer's in the home take the piss and don't do their job properly.

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By *aul.J.JMan
over a year ago

Sedgley

I agree that there are some great nurses and carers but all the government seems to care about is cutting costs and lining their pockets

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By *rianneTV/TS
over a year ago

durham

im a t girl thats seventy to some thats young also a carer for my wife who disabled im wrecked with muscle pain but still get no help and have to do every thing myself

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

"im a t girl thats seventy to some thats young also a carer for my wife who disabled im wrecked with muscle pain but still get no help and have to do every thing myself

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have you asked for a social services assessment to see if you can get any help

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By *bony in IvoryCouple
over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

There are lots of cultures who respect their elders and dont treat them any less than they deserve.With care, Love, compassion and dignity. Alas also there are some who would treat their pet dog better ... sad fact of life but unfortunatly true. Our society has changed so much. Thankfully there are decent people with strong family values about still ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?"

Country shouldnt have to, family should. In most countries elderly peoples homes dont exist because elderly people live with their families.

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?

Country shouldnt have to, family should. In most countries elderly peoples homes dont exist because elderly people live with their families. "
in an ideal world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple no they dont do enough for our oap's but did they ever it makes me mad at times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?"

Sadly, that's an absolute 'NO'!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are lots of cultures who respect their elders and dont treat them any less than they deserve.With care, Love, compassion and dignity. Alas also there are some who would treat their pet dog better ... sad fact of life but unfortunatly true. Our society has changed so much. Thankfully there are decent people with strong family values about still ...

well we live in a capitalist society, its generally what we all want...unfortunately, when old people become less 'useful' its only their votes that count...some other cultures are generally dictated by the older generations, something we dont like...

its a win win for no-one really

we can act as passionately as we can, but lets not think utopian values are easy to attain

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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago

Neath

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?

Country shouldnt have to, family should. In most countries elderly peoples homes dont exist because elderly people live with their families. "

People have children full times jobs etc. Its not as simple as you are trying to make it out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?

Country shouldnt have to, family should. In most countries elderly peoples homes dont exist because elderly people live with their families.

People have children full times jobs etc. Its not as simple as you are trying to make it out

Thats because people are money hungry here. How do other whole countries manage it?

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By *bony in IvoryCouple
over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

its a win win for no-one really

we can act as passionately as we can, but lets not think utopian values are easy to attain "
still very sad tho, when you hear some tragic stories... Very alien to me

is this really progression?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?

Country shouldnt have to, family should. In most countries elderly peoples homes dont exist because elderly people live with their families.

People have children full times jobs etc. Its not as simple as you are trying to make it out

Thats because people are money hungry here. How do other whole countries manage it? "

strict religious doctrine, archaic laws, oppression.....

like I said, I value western ideals, capitalist ideals...it isnt always perfect it isnt always pretty.....but sorry...I wouldnt want to live in some other countries where my right to freedom is very restricted.Half of us could be in jail(or worse),just for our sexual liberties alone in these places!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, and after a recent stay in hospitalI have raised an official complaint with the hospital and my area MP over the treatment my father, received ...... or didn't as the case may be.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

"that's my field of work and the answer is a big NO,our elderly care in this country is appalling

Well said ... there are some fantastic carers out there who really care and its a pleasure to watch the joy they bring!sadly I quite often see the other side of being elderly,the abuse,the neglect and the heartbreak"

my hubbys mum had a stroke and was in a care home she was treated very badly

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

my 75year old mum is really slowing up and will soon need help to make my dinner . x X X

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

My parents are very elderly and get some help, they are extremely able and with minimal help from us manage very well. However when either of them is in hospital we make sure we spend as much time sad possible with them because medical staff simply don't have the time to provide enough personal care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

part of my job too but for those with mental health issues - breaks my heart the way the family reacts to some but do understand their fears - dementia is such a hard thing to deal with on all sides - sufferer - family - carers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?

Country shouldnt have to, family should. In most countries elderly peoples homes dont exist because elderly people live with their families.

People have children full times jobs etc. Its not as simple as you are trying to make it out

Thats because people are money hungry here. How do other whole countries manage it?

strict religious doctrine, archaic laws, oppression.....

But what about the other capitalist countries that are at least, if not more liberal than us - yet still manage to look after their elderly? It should be written in to our constitution otherwise, why pay tax if everyone knows that they're going to be treated like a liability?

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By *aul.J.JMan
over a year ago

Sedgley

"part of my job too but for those with mental health issues - breaks my heart the way the family reacts to some but do understand their fears - dementia is such a hard thing to deal with on all sides - sufferer - family - carers "

dementia is horrible and to see a decline in a loved ones state of mind is hearbreaking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the European countries mentioned, I'd say have many rural communities...city dwelling western life probably has much of the same 'family' values as many a country

theres plenty wrong in some of those countries too, fascism,Catholicism,homophobia,massive poverty/wealth divides

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I give up lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the European countries mentioned, I'd say have many rural communities...city dwelling western life probably has much of the same 'family' values as many a country

theres plenty wrong in some of those countries too, fascism,Catholicism,homophobia,massive poverty/wealth divides "

Lol the point made was other counties look after the elderly. Not saying some of them dont have other issues but it irrelevant to this topic. Fact is they do look after the elderly. Uk can do same too. Cant expect government to look after your family, only we can do ourselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I give up lol"

don't do that, many of us read and understood what you meant. xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You lot can pick an argument over anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I give up lol

don't do that, many of us read and understood what you meant. xxx"

go away, I wasnt talking to U...nice too see u back ya sexy tramp xxxxx

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I give up lol

don't do that, many of us read and understood what you meant. xxx

go away, I wasnt talking to U...nice too see u back ya sexy tramp xxxxx"

facepalm lmao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*the argument IS other countries look after their elderly better than we do our own.

Lets take our oldies there and it'll be great.

lets try somewhere else in europe..its cool there...no real issues I can see lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"*the argument IS other countries look after their elderly better than we do our own.

Lets take our oldies there and it'll be great.

lets try somewhere else in europe..its cool there...no real issues I can see lol

.... and in some countries I'd be an outcast just because I'm a widow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"*the argument IS other countries look after their elderly better than we do our own.

Lets take our oldies there and it'll be great.

lets try somewhere else in europe..its cool there...no real issues I can see lol

.... and in some countries I'd be an outcast just because I'm a widow.

and never let on u like licking fanny either

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?

Country shouldnt have to, family should. In most countries elderly peoples homes dont exist because elderly people live with their families. "
Its not always feasible, the sooner we concentrate on THIS country rather than standing with hands on hips comparing certain systems to other countries' and whinging, we can all tackle what's wrong.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Media and government attitudes have meant that these days the elderly are seen as a burden on society.

The fact that the majority have contributed a lifetime of tax and NI, have raised families (thus contributing again to society) and are often providing unpaid childcare thus further supporting society, is lost to most who think that the welfare 'burden' of their pensions is too much for us all and little complaint is made when they are left to subsist on next to nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

& Finland, Sweden, Norway, Holland, Denmark, Germany, France, Austria, ............. all capitalist & liberal btw!!!

We treat our elderly like they're a liability, when a 'great' country would look after 'all' of it's people - that's what a country is all about!!

Just my opinion, that's all!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Cant expect government to look after your family, only we can do ourselves "

Of course you can expect it when you pay tax and national insurance for it throughout your entire adult life.

The government take a big chunk of everything people earn, supposedly to provide care for them in their old age, or if they are ill and can't work.

People can't look after their elderly relatives because they are working all hours to try to make ends meet because wages are rising far more slowly than the cost of living and everyone is being taxed into the ground.

If people are expected to care for their elderly relatives then the government need to stop charging everyone through the nose at the same time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in looking after your own.

Which is what used to happen.

Look back 50 years and compare the help the elderly get now than they used to and yes they get so much more help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish some 99yr old would let us know how they feel

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I believe in looking after your own.

Which is what used to happen.

Look back 50 years and compare the help the elderly get now than they used to and yes they get so much more help.

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Society is vastly different now. Its not comparable in the slightest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cant expect government to look after your family, only we can do ourselves

Of course you can expect it when you pay tax and national insurance for it throughout your entire adult life.

The government take a big chunk of everything people earn, supposedly to provide care for them in their old age, or if they are ill and can't work.

If people are expected to care for their elderly relatives then the government need to stop charging everyone through the nose at the same time."

And yet we expect so much for that money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cant expect government to look after your family, only we can do ourselves

Of course you can expect it when you pay tax and national insurance for it throughout your entire adult life.

The government take a big chunk of everything people earn, supposedly to provide care for them in their old age, or if they are ill and can't work.

If people are expected to care for their elderly relatives then the government need to stop charging everyone through the nose at the same time."

Lol fine you ask the government to look after yours. Ill look after mine myself.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Cant expect government to look after your family, only we can do ourselves

Of course you can expect it when you pay tax and national insurance for it throughout your entire adult life.

The government take a big chunk of everything people earn, supposedly to provide care for them in their old age, or if they are ill and can't work.

If people are expected to care for their elderly relatives then the government need to stop charging everyone through the nose at the same time.

Lol fine you ask the government to look after yours. Ill look after mine myself. "

Good for you. I wish you luck working full time, raising a family and caring for elderly and increasingly infirm parents.

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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago

Neath

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?

Country shouldnt have to, family should. In most countries elderly peoples homes dont exist because elderly people live with their families.

People have children full times jobs etc. Its not as simple as you are trying to make it out

Thats because people are money hungry here. How do other whole countries manage it? "

I would say most people who work.do so to survive. Not because theyre 'money hungry'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?"

I think the big figure in payouts in pensions and benefits say we don't do badly although in reality help could be targeted to the more vulnerable in society. Then you have to decide where you get it from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?"

no!!!! and younger women certainly don't lol

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Cant expect government to look after your family, only we can do ourselves

Of course you can expect it when you pay tax and national insurance for it throughout your entire adult life.

The government take a big chunk of everything people earn, supposedly to provide care for them in their old age, or if they are ill and can't work.

If people are expected to care for their elderly relatives then the government need to stop charging everyone through the nose at the same time.

And yet we expect so much for that money"

And get so very little.

And yet the government can afford huge pay rises, subsidised restaurants and bars, every increasing expense accounts, second homes, plush offices stuffed with antique desks and ostentatious carpeting and wall coverings...

We can give billions to Europe and in foreign aid...

We can host the bloody Olympics...

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?

Country shouldnt have to, family should. In most countries elderly peoples homes dont exist because elderly people live with their families.

People have children full times jobs etc. Its not as simple as you are trying to make it out

Thats because people are money hungry here. How do other whole countries manage it?

I would say most people who work.do so to survive. Not because theyre 'money hungry'

And a lot of the ones who don't work would like to be able to.

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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago

Neath

Fuck.im almost speechless at the way certain people have gone waaayyyy off track in a wave of self pity on this thread.

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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago

Neath

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?

Country shouldnt have to, family should. In most countries elderly peoples homes dont exist because elderly people live with their families.

People have children full times jobs etc. Its not as simple as you are trying to make it out

Thats because people are money hungry here. How do other whole countries manage it?

I would say most people who work.do so to survive. Not because theyre 'money hungry'

And a lot of the ones who don't work would like to be able to. "

i have to.be honest referring to people who work as ' money hungry' is one of the most ridiculous things ive ever read on here....and that is saying something

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

windsor palace must be freezing...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe we should take a leaf out of Chinese culture when it comes to caring for our elderly .

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Wow

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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago

Neath

"Wow

Thats exactly what i thought when i rejoined the thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My fatherinlaw has parkinsons and six weeks ago he had a fall in his home and had to spend a few weeks in hospital. We all work and were visiting constantly. My oh and his brother and myself sorted out his house while he was in hospital. He then came home had to have bed downstairs and carers were arranged for assessment purposes and also to help him with things at home for six weeks. this is coming to a end soon, when they will decide if he can cope or not. I have been doing his washing for this time too.

In our opinion he needs them going in as they have been as there is no one free daytimes in the family to help him. Hopefully they won't leave him to it. They have been good tbh. no complaints so far

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm heading into that time now.

I have a few good years left, but beyond that I have no family to look after me or to watch out for what happens to me. I dread going into a home on my own and being under the care of strangers - especially with all the bad press that's about lately re. care homes etc.

So my only viable option will be to end life on my terms before that happens. That's not asking for sympathy - I'm already resolved to it and it's just a statement, and a commentary on how things are for me and for people who are alone like me.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Once my parents pass away I will have no family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This may be controversial but i think the country already does far too much.

Health wise. How many are kept alive long after nature would've taken it's course? To what purpose? To extend life into a further period of various forms of suffering.

Not to mention the constant and consistent demands on the Government of the day from people throughout their lives.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

"I wish some 99yr old would let us know how they feel"

I would but I just cant be arsed - too busy deleting posts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wish some 99yr old would let us know how they feel

I would but I just cant be arsed - too busy deleting posts

*pervs private pics:

oooer...with teeth...and without teeth

HOT!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think this country does enough to look after hard working/retired citizens in this country?"

Edited your question a bit, but the answer is still a big, fat NO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think this country does enough to look after hard working/retired citizens in this country?

Edited your question a bit, but the answer is still a big, fat NO"

Totally agree, dude!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think this country does enough to look after hard working/retired citizens in this country?

Edited your question a bit, but the answer is still a big, fat NO"

Can we send all the ones in real hardship to yours then?

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

"I wish some 99yr old would let us know how they feel

I would but I just cant be arsed - too busy deleting posts

*pervs private pics:

oooer...with teeth...and without teeth

HOT!"

Im switch. Not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wish some 99yr old would let us know how they feel

I would but I just cant be arsed - too busy deleting posts

*pervs private pics:

oooer...with teeth...and without teeth

HOT!

Im switch. Not."

_ezebel born 1914........I think ur lying about ur age...just to stay in my age range!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think this country does enough to look after senior citizens in this country?

Country shouldnt have to, family should. In most countries elderly peoples homes dont exist because elderly people live with their families.

People have children full times jobs etc. Its not as simple as you are trying to make it out

Thats because people are money hungry here. How do other whole countries manage it? "

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