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By *ruit OP Woman
over a year ago

near kings lynn

Just a quick question? I am friends with a mum with a ADHD child over 9. She has just said to a friend that her son cant have dairy. When I am pretty sure he has eaten yogs and his favourite meal is cheesy pasta.

Anyone know if dairy is not good for the condition? Gonna have to bring up the subject with her for work purposes and am wondering if anyone knows.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ADHD is a minefield! some people have suggested that dairy products can aggrevate it others say its food colourings other other things .

i think there is a british website that is very informative about the condition but also loads that arent such good info so have a wee look and see what you find xx

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By *exeteraWoman
over a year ago

Bridgend

Not heard about the dairy link with ADHD but there has certainly been lots of debate around flavourings and colours in food and drink, particularly linked to the hyperactivity side of things. It is a minefield as lots of children/young people have co-morbities that they suffer from as well as the ADHD i.e. aspergers, dyslexia, dyspraxia and OCD etc

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By *ruit OP Woman
over a year ago

near kings lynn

Thanks for that. I am aware of the hyperactivity side due to the e numbers etc but have a feeling there is a sudden change in what she is giving her child to eat and I need to bring it up with her. Just wondered if anyone had come across milk, yogs, cheese ... not best to be given.

I have a feeling I am gonna be bringing up a sensitive subject again!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

iv heard of it my friend is a childminder and one of the kiddos is beng tested for ADHD just now and she had noticed when he had for example, cheese his behaviour escalated and when his mum mentioned it to the doc etc and looked it up and spoke to other mums a lot of people had noticed it xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is possible to have ADHD AND an allergy to dairy products.

If ADHD was caused by dairy then alleviating it would be simple.

It is NOT caused by dairy products it is a condition in it's own right of varying degrees within different people.

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By *ruit OP Woman
over a year ago

near kings lynn

He has been eating dairy perfectly well as far as I have seen. He has been diagnosed for a few years now and medicated.

But in conversation he has now told a work collegue that he cannot have dairy.

She hasnt mentioned it to me so am unsure if she is putting more limitations on him as she does but that is a long story, or if he is suddenly had testing to say he cant eat dairy.

But then she keeps me updated with everything going on in her and the childrens life as that is my job.

Just unsure now how to bring it up and what to expect. I think she is putting stumbling blocks in his way that are not actually needed.

Unfortunately she is his worst enemy in some ways.

Dont look forward to this chat lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ADHD although recognised and diagnosed as early as in the 1930 ies has caused a lot of heated debates. Your best and unbiased information is available from the local CAMHS team. It is often mentioned alongside other diagnoses such as Aspergers, the Autism range etc but opinions on its diagnosis vary as much as they do on the cause and effectiveness of treatment(s)(Ritalin is only one alternative)

Co-morbidities include OCD, ODD, Dyslexia, Dyspraxia to name but a few as well as Asthma, Eczema, certain Food intolerances for example towards dairy products (there is a link between asthma/eczema and dairy intolerance also) Often severe life threatening allergies eg towards peanuts (NOT a nut but a legume) are a co-occurrence.

Best advice : Do lots of research and google for local support groups and above all, support the person who has been labelled with this disability and their carers. For more info please pm me.

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By *ruit OP Woman
over a year ago

near kings lynn

"ADHD although recognised and diagnosed as early as in the 1930 ies has caused a lot of heated debates. Your best and unbiased information is available from the local CAMHS team. It is often mentioned alongside other diagnoses such as Aspergers, the Autism range etc but opinions on its diagnosis vary as much as they do on the cause and effectiveness of treatment(s)(Ritalin is only one alternative)

Best advice : Do lots of research and google for local support groups and above all, support the person who has been labelled with this disability and their carers. For more info please pm me.

Thanks for that. She is getting the support but I have a feeling she makes her won rules up herself. I know he hasnt been in for any new testing so to be suddenly unable to have dairy where he ate it before with no problems and now she says he cant have it, I think she has diagnosed him herself and is slowly racking up a list of things he cant have. She has also told my collegue that he now has a list of things he cannot do within the group where he has been joining in with those activities for some time without any problem.

She has had a medical problem in the past a health issue which basically was an accident so now refuses to let him near the cause of her accident as a child. Which means she is putting her experiences onto him. He isnt frightened of it but only her.

So I have the sudden list of extra food he cant have and now these added activities he now cant do. This is a brand new list from what was state of play 1 week ago.

Now in my hands to sort it out lol. Gonna be an interesting week!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best advice : Do lots of research and google for local support groups and above all, support the person who has been labelled with this disability and their carers. For more info please pm me.

So I have the sudden list of extra food he cant have and now these added activities he now cant do. This is a brand new list from what was state of play 1 week ago.

Now in my hands to sort it out lol. Gonna be an interesting week!"

It is very easy to transfer your own anxiety onto another person - counselling might help but of course she would need to recognise the need for that herself. By restricting him further and further she is effectively narrowing down his world more and more

You have a difficult role there - best of luck xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think 'SOMETIMES' its another name for 'Badly behaved kids that need a slap'

Note the word 'sometimes'

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By *andsomgeorgeMan
over a year ago

Rugby

One of my lads is autistic and the USA are way ahead of UK in their research in this arena. Many Americans swear by a dairy free diet for autistic spectrum disorder children. I would agree with previous posts that google is a good place to start.

Good luck to all though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think 'SOMETIMES' its another name for 'Badly behaved kids that need a slap'

Note the word 'sometimes'"

Yes it can be and that is why the actual diagnosis has to be done by the CAMHS team, under the supervision and presence of the child psychiatrist. Sadly a lot of bad behaviour which is NOT attributed to ADHD often gets labelled that way making life harder for the genuine cases .

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By *obblybitsCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield

I work with children and have close contact with sevel children with adhd including my sisters son and have not hurd anything about not having dairy. it can make there bowls move faster though so I am guessing this may be the reson she is saying no dairy. the body contracts with extreem stress or anxiety wich contracts the lower entestine..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I work with children and have close contact with sevel children with adhd including my sisters son and have not hurd anything about not having dairy. it can make there bowls move faster though so I am guessing this may be the reson she is saying no dairy. the body contracts with extreem stress or anxiety wich contracts the lower entestine.."

I think the link comes through dairy and asthma/'eczema spectrum which is often but not always associated with ADHD? So people think ADHD = dairy intolerance but actually it is asthma/eczema + dairy

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By *andsomgeorgeMan
over a year ago

Rugby

Dairy seems to be quite loosely linked with a few ailments/disorders/allergies so I'm sure it's not the best for our diet full stop. Proving specific links though is an altogether different game.

There are plenty of support groups and government agencies out there - some of which even want to actually help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have ARAS, it's a relatively new illness discovered following much research by the University of Calcutta.

I found that after consuming too much cheap cider from ASDA I turned into a total asshole, laughing at my own jokes, dancing like my dad, and sometimes pretending to be Freddie Mercury and on a bad day, Michael Buble. My shrink wanted to call it 'Asshole Popstar Syndrome'(APS) but I protested claiming it was stereotypical, unfounded and unfair, so after a long and drawn out process, I found the University of Columbia (UOC) who were looking for something interesting to investigate. Given their dilema, I asked them to look deeper into the phenomina.

They got a million dollar grant and after over 10 years research into the affliction they decided that I sufferd from ARAS (Alcohol Related Ashole Syndrome)

I've started a self help group and if anyone would like to join please leave your names here .. or pay at the door

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dairy seems to be quite loosely linked with a few ailments/disorders/allergies so I'm sure it's not the best for our diet full stop. Proving specific links though is an altogether different game.

There are plenty of support groups and government agencies out there - some of which even want to actually help. "

Very true - evidence is anecdotal rather than a result of large scale clinical tests. And dairy is probably not all that terrific for many of us although I do wonder whether the "soured" types ie plain yoghurt etc are in a different category. Again more anecdotal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont no to much about ADHD but as a pharmacy tec for boots we have seen so so many kids bombed out by the med the doctors put them on but in my view the kids dont need to be put on the strong meds they just need to be helped by people who understands what they are feeling,and yes i do think there is a link to food and dairy,(just going to look uo my notes for uni) so thats how i feel about it all xoxox

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

I don't agree with children being prescribed certain types of medication, unless, there really is no alternative.

Slightly of topic

we watched a programme last week about children in America as young as 6 being prescribed anti depressants!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i dont no to much about ADHD but as a pharmacy tec for boots we have seen so so many kids bombed out by the med the doctors put them on but in my view the kids dont need to be put on the strong meds they just need to be helped by people who understands what they are feeling,and yes i do think there is a link to food and dairy,(just going to look uo my notes for uni) so thats how i feel about it all xoxox"

Yes, I agree and the number of children on what is effectively a class 2 drug (like speed!) is on such a sharp increase that one has to wonder where this is coming from all of a sudden.

There are various complex theories regarding the origin of ADHD and equally as many on the necessity of prescribing very powerful drugs to children as young as 4 years old. Each case needs to be assessed properly and professionally really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

bi one i see a load of kids in work every day getting meds that they dont need to be on its just beacuse ther so called parents are just a bag of crap and to keep them quite load em up with meds..... i just say somtimes look at the parents... but then i no some kids that do need meds.... kinda tricky topic xoxox

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"bi one i see a load of kids in work every day getting meds that they dont need to be on its just beacuse ther so called parents are just a bag of crap and to keep them quite load em up with meds..... i just say somtimes look at the parents... but then i no some kids that do need meds.... kinda tricky topic xoxox"

Think i ll go away and take some Ritalin myself lol

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

The reason I don't agree with it is because children will become dependant on them, combined with the fact as they grow older they'll believe medication is the answer to their problems, at the rate we're heading, society will pay a heavy price in years to come

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By *andsomgeorgeMan
over a year ago

Rugby

Suspicions were raised regarding my son, very sensitively I have to say, when he was not much more than 2. The people he saw and the observations he went through before being properly diagnosed before he was 3 instilled me with lots of faith. Most practicing meds are really looking after best interests of children and much as I wouldn't expect a ped MD to tell me how to plaster a wall I wouldn't judge how they assessed my son. To an extent we have to have faith in the the experts. Not blind faith - they can be questioned. But faith.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yep bi one total agree with you on this one.... but also any parents on here with kids with adhd them iam sorry for my out burst but we all have a rite to say how we feel xoxo

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

There is a huge difference between ADHD and badly behaved / disruptive children, anyone who has a child diagnosed with ADHD has my utmost sympathy, the others need a *******

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

I agree with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In answer to the above posts - it is all about trusting the professionals, I so agree and equally it is healthy to have respect for powerful medication such as Ritalin which is never prescribed lightly, in fact it is at least initially only availably through the child specialist (usually psychiatrist not even paediatrician although this may have changed recently)

Bottom line: Trust the professionals but do ask questions regarding how long they take medication for and when it is likely to stop!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yep bi one total agree with you on this one.... but also any parents on here with kids with adhd them iam sorry for my out burst but we all have a rite to say how we feel xoxo"

- I did not think you were offensive in what you said xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is a huge difference between ADHD and badly behaved / disruptive children, anyone who has a child diagnosed with ADHD has my utmost sympathy, the others need a *******

Absolutely spot on! And it is the pros that can diagnose -

Now that ********... can grown up hyperactives have some of that , lol?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

DONT AGREE WITH THAT ONE DONT TRUST ANYONE BUT TRUST YOURSELF AS YOU ARE THERE PARENT and they totaly depend on you (sorry for the caps) xoxo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"DONT AGREE WITH THAT ONE DONT TRUST ANYONE BUT TRUST YOURSELF AS YOU ARE THERE PARENT and they totaly depend on you (sorry for the caps) xoxo"

Usually parents would pick up from observing their child's behaviour that there is a problem for example with ability to concentrate at school, impulsiveness, dreaminess etc... there is a long list of "symptomatic" behaviours and ADHD is not diagnosed based just on two or three of them.

Parental instinct is of course one of the first and most important criteria and should always be that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I was a 'young un' we had well behaved kids and badly behaved kids.

That was life as it was in the 60's/70's - it's the way people were

It's life - accept it. Not everything can be explained by calling it a 'syndrome'

Boffins are all to keen to give everything a reason and an explanation, hence my tongue in cheek post earlier which fell on deaf ears, or were they audio defficient receptor syndrome ears ?

See what I mean ?

Deaf is deaf

Dumb is dumb

Blind is blind

Badly behaved is badly behaved

A spastic is a spastic

A cripple is a cripple

Why complicate the issue by calling it a 'syndrome' and trying to find a fancy way of explaining it all away - note I said 'explaning it all away' not finding a cure for it ? Oh yes there are so many grand and fancy people and institutions who can find a reason to call something a 'syndrome' but not many of them can find a fix for it !!!!!!!!!

Maybe I am old fashioned, but I'm also realistic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it justs gets me when they come in to my work and i just see them looking like zombies,and i have a chat to them and its just like i slur and my heart just wants to scream at there parents.. breaks my heart x x so iam steping away from this as its just upsets me xoxoxo

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By *andsomgeorgeMan
over a year ago

Rugby

My parent's generations attitude was doctors are gods and listened blindly. My ex and I both did lots of reading on autism when we knew what we were dealing with and challenged (just to push back a little) the specialist which I suspect my parents never would. If the specialists stand up to, and qualify their reasoning then you are left more confident in their abilities and happier in your confidence in them - it's not blind faith. We meet up once a month to discuss his progress and sometimes I think 'this is hippy shit' but they are pretty much right on the money every time. When they are, my son is much happier. Nuf said.

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"DONT AGREE WITH THAT ONE DONT TRUST ANYONE BUT TRUST YOURSELF AS YOU ARE THERE PARENT"

Some parents just need educating, the problem is society can't educate those unwilling to be educated.

I've never been in favour of labelling anyone, the problem we have nowadays, 90% of the population suffering with some kind of condition want to be labelled, for some reason it gives them security knowing they have xxx condition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it justs gets me when they come in to my work and i just see them looking like zombies,and i have a chat to them and its just like i slur and my heart just wants to scream at there parents.. breaks my heart x x so iam steping away from this as its just upsets me xoxoxo"

Hi again Nicepair - hope I did not upset you - it really was not my intention. I have come across a good number of children and adults who were diagnosed and treated with ADHD - most successfully, the proof being in the pudding that they responded to the medication. Bad behaviour does NOT respond to medication - and I do understand what you mean about zombie like kids - sadly one side effect! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and the extra money....... so had to say that lol xoxox

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By *obblybitsCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield

as much as I agree in sum aspects I have sean children including my nephuew go from class clown not been able to do the simplist of jobs to top of the class. yes we may not know how it will be in another 10 years but I can tell you it has changed a little boy who people didnt want to be around, didnt want to invite to partys. to a lovely boy who can play nice. he has always been a bright little boy but now other people can see it too.

people like my sister didnt choice to ptu there children on medication lightly she tried everything ells in the world to try but the first few weeks she saw a diffrence.

some children are just naughty and don't have adhd but for the children that do medication can be a fantastic thing. and if children are getting dopped up as you speek of they do not have verry good doctors OR perants because the dose needs cacelating to the indevidual child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"DONT AGREE WITH THAT ONE DONT TRUST ANYONE BUT TRUST YOURSELF AS YOU ARE THERE PARENT

Some parents just need educating, the problem is society can't educate those unwilling to be educated.

Exactly and mentioning ADHD specifically : There is now a program in place which invites parents to join in a co-ordinated effort to help the child diagnosed with ADHD. It is no longer a matter of just dosing them up with tablets like it was about 10 or 15 years ago. Doctors, Nurses and the Mental Health Teams are now actively seeking to educate the parents for better and long terms results.

On a side note : I do not agree with labelling anybody and would prefer to refer to say " child/ person with ADHD behaviour traits" rather than labelling them as the ADHD person. Labels never reflect the whole person and are therefore unfair and inaccurate.

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"Labels never reflect the whole person and are therefore unfair and inaccurate."

Absolutely, well said

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By *obblybitsCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield

and I am all for labeling if it gets the child the help they need.

if you miss something like this and the help is not there think of the line they may go down. having help in place early can protect the child as just been throun to the side and leading to crime or any other bad hobbies. so to speek

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By *obblybitsCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield

it may not reflect the whole child no one is saying that but it is there for the right resons. no one labelled be growing up untill walking in to university in september after to exsam risults and been told I have dyslexia and dyspraxia for that I am thankful to be labeled.

as soon as my sisters son got a label he could go to the behavour center in our town and they both go the help he despretly needed and it realy worked..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

try feeding them normal food ,,,

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"and I am all for labeling if it gets the child the help they need"

The NHS pays out millions in compensation claims due to miss diagnosing, labelling only when the diagnosis is 110% confirmed, we have to many “junior” doctors diagnosing incorrect symptoms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and I am all for labeling if it gets the child the help they need.

Let me explain, please - I dam not denying what you are saying at all and the genuine and properly diagnosed ADHD sufferers must have that diagnosis in order to get the help, the medication, the counselling etc that they need. TOTALLY agreed.

I was merely agreeing with not labelling the whole person - somebody with a heart condition is not "THAT heart condition over there" but a person with a history, with lots of character traits, who just happens to suffer from a heart problem. xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"try feeding them normal food ,,, "

Damn, feeding my kids that 200 ml of indiluted brandy at night was wrong?

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

Just to say, it's a debate folks, I'm not here to annoy / upset / fallout with anyone

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By *obblybitsCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield

yes and all the million £ they do not have to pay back!

I would rather them label my children wrong that not at all. you have no idea how hard it is getting help for children with disabilities with out being able to say this is what is wrong with them. wether it is adhd autism or any for of fisability you get nothing no help no T.A in schools and them children are the once that get left behind the once who you see still hanging round the school after leaving because they have nothing ells to do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to say, it's a debate folks, I'm not here to annoy / upset / fallout with anyone

totally taken in the right spirit - no offence taken at all and it is good that we can have these discussions. It all helps to promote a better understanding and that can only be good xx

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By *obblybitsCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield

no I agree compleetly now this is a down side of labeling but as a perant of two children with disabilities I had to put the whole ((disabeled child ) to one side because that is the only way I could get the help they needed if you know what I mean..

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By *obblybitsCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield

don't worry I know its in a debate sprit im no good at it well after a few years on internet debate forums I am getting better

although I havent started bringing refrences up yet of medical book speels

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"yes and all the million £ they do not have to pay back!

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying, I have no problem with someone being labelled, providing the label is warranted, that can only happen when the symptoms have been thoroughly investigated by those specialist qualified.

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By *andsomgeorgeMan
over a year ago

Rugby

Provocative - no, it was absolutely the right thing to do if they slept well (joke)

Parenting is one of those things that people can, understandably get really worked up about. I don't mind hearing jokes about autism as I know the world carries on.

I understand where provocative is coming from - the condition does not take over the person and define them entirely. Unfortunately the 'label' is often required to be able to engage the services available. My ex and I thought long and hard before taking him for diagnosis - the autism label is a strong one but we felt that he could gain more than he could lose if everyone knew what they were dealing.

BOGOF - I can also see where you are coming from - the Americans are great at coming up with some labels that don't seem particularly justified and appear to allow people to wipe their hands of parental/personal responsibilities in some cases. This undermines things for the genuine cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually I think we are all in agreement here, just using different terminology ... and it is an emotive subject especially when you are close to children (and adults) who suffer from ADHD as there is so much misinformation and judgment about ... xxxx to you all xxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Provocative - no, it was absolutely the right thing to do if they slept well (joke)

Parenting is one of those things that people can, understandably get really worked up about. I don't mind hearing jokes about autism as I know the world carries on.

Why couldn't I phrase it as well as you, oh Handsomgeorge?

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By *obblybitsCouple
over a year ago

huddersfield

I agree we are all sort of saying diagnosis can be a fantastic thing but can aslo be wepon to just labeling badly brought up children

(witch im guessing you meant)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For crying out bloody loud, why can't you get the idea that some kids are just bady behaved horrible idividuals ???

I've seen 3 generations of them now - the local 'bad lad' at school, smoked, skived and a general bad laddy, grew up, had kids who turned out just like him, then his kids went on to have kids who grew up with the same mind set - it's life - not a fancy arsed syndrome that can be explained by an 'olgist' on 30 grand year !!!!

There's an explantion for everything if you look hard enough, no doubt somwhere there will be a rational explanation of why Adolf Hitler gassed 7 million Jews, but it does't make that it ok that he did it ......

Things happen, people behave the way they do and sometimes there is just no rhyme nor reason for it - it's life, it in their genes !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most kids are products of their environment and genetics, some are products of diets. I have no doubt whatsoever that a poor diet affects our youngsters, especially one high in additives, e-numbers, sugar, fake sugar and caffiene. However, so does giving a small child semi or fully skimmed milk when their brain needs fat to develop. Sorry, but have to say that this is not quite the place to seek an expert view on a very serious question?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some children have ADHD, many do not.

Some children are badly behaved, many are not.

Some parents have better parenting skills than others, not always through their own fault.

Some parents have good parenting skills, maybe because they had good role models, maybe because they naturally are more patient etc.

There are many reasons why people, children do or dont do things, some are complex.

Complex matters and diagnoses need to be made by properly trained professionals with the help of the parents.

Sweeping statements do not help anybody.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some children have ADHD, many do not.

Some children are badly behaved, many are not.

Some parents have better parenting skills than others, not always through their own fault.

Some parents have good parenting skills, maybe because they had good role models, maybe because they naturally are more patient etc.

There are many reasons why people, children do or dont do things, some are complex.

Complex matters and diagnoses need to be made by properly trained professionals with the help of the parents.

Sweeping statements do not help anybody.

It's called 'Life'

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

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This is a great thread. I've just come into it and spent the last 15 minutes reading through all the posts.

So time for my twopenneth.

ADHD was unheard of until coporal punishment was removed from schools. Discipline and strong peers do educate children in what is and is not acceptable behaviour.

It is natural for children to push the boundaries to see what they can get away with. If there are no deterents in place to stop the child behaving badly, then he/she will continue to push the boundaries.

It is all too simple for a doctor to diagnose ADHD, rather than turn round to a parent and say He/she is your child and he/she is your problem so start to guide, advise and chastise him/her properly.

I was involved with working with children from 13 to 18 at one time in a cadet force. When some of the children first joined they were very disruptive and badly behaved but with a bit of guidance and advise they became great kids and a pleasure to be with. As part of them being accepted, a medical form had to be completed. It was amazing how many parents had put down that their child suffered ADHD. After about 6 months of them being with us, so many parents came to me and said The Cadets is so good my kid is a different person!!!!!!!! NO THEY'RE NOT.

Teach a child self respect, self discipline and give them responsibilty and they will make you proud.

Sorry it was war and peace and that there are no statistics or figures to argue my case but this is what I have found in the REAL life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2 of my sons have been diagbosed with ADHD the oldest on medication!

ADHD is not a dr simple term 4 badly behaved children.

Many people who i come into contact with, will, when have found out my sons have ADHD, say 'but they're not really bad naughty kids are they!'

'No' fortunately my boys are relatively well behaved, it just takes a little more time and understanding of the illness to know how to deal with them.

as for food and dairy that is one of the 1st things the paediatrician will ask to be done in diagnosis to rule out any allergys. my boys ae not affected by dairy/food at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

iv worked with children with a range of conditions (when they eventually get diagnosed and arent just little shits)!

to see a child go from being destructive, vicious etc to bein able to sit and do a simple task is an amazin feeling but a very long slog!

my heart goes out to any parent who has to deal with this, iv had parents cryin wondering what they have done wrong, asking what they can do to help there child settle a bit and behave more "normal"

one kid in particular i remember is the wee boy mum and dad both "professional" people 2 older siblings no issues then this wee soul he couldnt concentrate kept buttin in so many things teachers couldnt cope neither could the parents they were about demented with him couldnt understand why he was like this? tried everythin goin behaviour strategies rewardin postive behaviour ignorin negative everythin they could but still no joy he was finally diagnosed at nine with adhd but by this time the rot had set in and the "bad kid" label was there. that will follow him all his life because of a condition that people automatically assume he is a "bad kid"

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

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I am sure there are genuine cases of ADHD and I genuinely feel sorry for the children and parents affected BUT as experience has taught me it is a 'label' that has been put on unruly kids because of ill discipline and no self respect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"90% of the population suffering with some kind of condition want to be labelled, for some reason it gives them security knowing they have xxx condition. "

It gives them a crutch to lean on, you mean.

Whilst I do recognise that there are some genuine cases of ADHD I am of the opinion that a lot of children who simply need a firm hand to guide them are misdiagnosed with this condition and put on meds unneccessarily. When my daughter was 2 she was prone to hissy fits. My ex thought she needed to be looked at by psychologists etc etc, I thought she needed to be dealt with firmly. I learned that getting through to her on a level she understood worked wonders and the temper tantrums soon stopped, and now she a very well balanced 12y/o Grade A student.

Young children realise very quickly that an inch can be a yard with a parent who gives in too readily.

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over a year ago

"Most kids are products of their environment and genetics, some are products of diets. I have no doubt whatsoever that a poor diet affects our youngsters, especially one high in additives, e-numbers, sugar, fake sugar and caffiene. However, so does giving a small child semi or fully skimmed milk when their brain needs fat to develop. Sorry, but have to say that this is not quite the place to seek an expert view on a very serious question?"

If a human child needed cows milk we'd have udders which constantly produced high fat milk.

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over a year ago

"Dairy seems to be quite loosely linked with a few ailments/disorders/allergies so I'm sure it's not the best for our diet full stop. Proving specific links though is an altogether different game.

There are plenty of support groups and government agencies out there - some of which even want to actually help. "

I've been reading the posts backwards which is why I came to yours after and not before

I agree... Cows milk isn't for humans.

Some asthma, some nasal and chest cattarh and other conditions are exacerbated by cows milk. It's basically ...... for ... cows!

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By *ruit OP Woman
over a year ago

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Thanks for the helpful comments.

He hasnt been confirmed that he cannot have dairy and am pretty sure she is making up her own rules. As for the lust of other things he cant do which has suddenly incresed I am pretty sure they havent been confirmed as there is no reson for her limiting him with what he can do as in activities. She is putting her concerns on to him, they are her concerns and not his.

he wants to do activities in water with a life jacket but seems she doesnt want to. That because she is scared of the water not him.

I support her on a regular basis and now the doctor is too, that is supporting her not her son confirmed with ADHD and medicated for some years.

As for the dairy I will check with her if the peadiatricition has reccomended no dairy or just her limiting him even more which she seems to do on a daily basis and is his own worst enemy.

Have decided to speak with my co ordinator to atke this further with all that he suddenly cannot do Thanks for the help granny and provoc xxx

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over a year ago

If a human child needed cows milk we'd have udders which constantly produced high fat milk. "

By that definition we shouldn't eat apples cos they don't grow out of a branch on the top of our heads.

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By *ebzStarWoman
over a year ago

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"90% of the population suffering with some kind of condition want to be labelled, for some reason it gives them security knowing they have xxx condition.

It gives them a crutch to lean on, you mean.

Young children realise very quickly that an inch can be a yard with a parent who gives in too readily."

Agreed.

And parents who actually parent always helps

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By *ruit OP Woman
over a year ago

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The parent of the child is actually receiving help herself as in me. thats my role in it along side of another role I play in it to. If it is his condition and medically proven that he cant have something fine, but her putting things in to the mix which he is able to have is the problem. Gonna make some calls monday to aim to resolve.

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By *ebzStarWoman
over a year ago

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"The parent of the child is actually receiving help herself as in me. thats my role in it along side of another role I play in it to. If it is his condition and medically proven that he cant have something fine, but her putting things in to the mix which he is able to have is the problem. Gonna make some calls monday to aim to resolve. "

dont envy your position it this, hope you manage to resolve it for the kids sake x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Funny how we never had ADHD when we were at school,you either had bad kids or good kids and the bad ones usually fell into line in those pre P.C no caning days.

Is it not true also that parents with an ADHD child can claim money?

Perhaps this also could be a reason for the increase in cases,or is that us just being cynical.

I remember once hearing a comment Dirty Harry made in one of the Clint Eastwood films.

When someone suggested a nickname for a serial killer Harry said "Give them a name and you give them a reason!".

Maybe the same is true for many cases of ADHD?

Once a child,who is just plain naughty with no parental discipline,gets told that they have it they play up to it.

It's an easy get out for parents with poor parenting skills.

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By *andsomgeorgeMan
over a year ago

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The truth as ever probably lies somewhere between the extremes many bad traits are a product of the environment and as children learn from those around them we as parents have to shoulder a lot of responsibility. Autism for example is not a behavioural condition, it's actually caused by the brain not fully connecting everywhere it should. It is no less a real disability than a loss of a limb or sense. You just can't see it. No one would dare say those were phantom disabilities and that's only because people can see them. No medication for it so the label only helps to allow everyone to try and enable that child to develop and achieve as much in life as is possible. That's my aim for my two boys. The eldest is a fantastic, respectful,caring but fun loving boy. I am very proud of how he is developing and I'm also proud that we have got as much help for my youngest at such an early stage. It gives him the best opportunity to achieve everything he can. My parents used to sit me in the back seat of the car on a cushion, would smoke in the car and didn't wear seatbelts. Just because it used to happen when we were children or our parents were does not mean it's right. We also used to think the earth was flat and that riding on the first trains would make you grow two heads. Hopefully we're all convinced these are not true. Mind you the rail companies would want to charge double if you did have 2 heads...

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