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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I have just been reading about sol Campbell and his accusations against the FA what are people's thoughts on this ? Do you think he has a point ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No! he has a History of losing the plot

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I have just been reading about sol Campbell and his accusations against the FA what are people's thoughts on this ? Do you think he has a point ? "
What point exactly? Captaincy of England?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think he had a point. Trying to get publicity for his book.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just been reading about sol Campbell and his accusations against the FA what are people's thoughts on this ? Do you think he has a point ? "

I just think he wasnt captain because he played for spurs most his career. Captains usually come from the biggest club teams who win things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People say anything to sell books these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. If you look at the amount of England managers he served under and the amount of different captains they all had then you will see over that timescale there were a lot of changes going on.

Also, great player as he was, there were a lot more 'leaders' around at that time. A lot of football captains have to do press meetings and that also did not fit his character.

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By *ctaviusStuntMan
over a year ago

plymouth

"No! he has a History of losing the plot"

well it is a plot he at least has some personal experience with, where as yours is ?

I hope you dont dismiss everyone so readily just because at some point in life they have been diagnosed with a mental health problem, or as you put it "loosing the plot" ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have just been reading about sol Campbell and his accusations against the FA what are people's thoughts on this ? Do you think he has a point ? What point exactly? Captaincy of England?"

that the Fa are racist and he would have been captain had he been white.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I have just been reading about sol Campbell and his accusations against the FA what are people's thoughts on this ? Do you think he has a point ? What point exactly? Captaincy of England?

that the Fa are racist and he would have been captain had he been white. "
He has a book to sell...sour grapes make a bestseller.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure that there was/is racism in soccer but to say that he could have been captain for a decade sound's to me like a case of blowing ones own trumpet. There'll be other players whom may have thought themselves similarly hard done by, but for race reasons, I'm not sure about that!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just been reading about sol Campbell and his accusations against the FA what are people's thoughts on this ? Do you think he has a point ?

I just think he wasnt captain because he played for spurs most his career. Captains usually come from the biggest club teams who win things. "

Alan Shearer

Michael Owen

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

personally I think such accusations especially when they seem unfounded can be damaging in the fight to remove racism from sport. great steps have been taken in the right direction and using race to sell books or to make petty arguments undermines these efforts.

did graham Taylor not make paul ince captain ? and I'm sure he was black !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In whatever sport you talk about captains are leaders (be it vocally, by example or both), the question is that was he a leader?

Sounds cynical, but he has put this out there 10 years after the event and. As some other posters have pointed put, just before his book launch.

He was managed by around 5 different England managers, why call just one of them racist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"personally I think such accusations especially when they seem unfounded can be damaging in the fight to remove racism from sport. great steps have been taken in the right direction and using race to sell books or to make petty arguments undermines these efforts.

did graham Taylor not make paul ince captain ? and I'm sure he was black !! "

And Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just been reading about sol Campbell and his accusations against the FA what are people's thoughts on this ? Do you think he has a point ?

I just think he wasnt captain because he played for spurs most his career. Captains usually come from the biggest club teams who win things.

Alan Shearer

Michael Owen"

Oh yeah lol forgot about them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats the same Sol that was suing Portsmouth for milliins of unpaid wageswhen they were on the brink of financial collapse.

Never fully in touch with reality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder how much his agent has had to do with these comments?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No! he has a History of losing the plot

well it is a plot he at least has some personal experience with, where as yours is ?

I hope you dont dismiss everyone so readily just because at some point in life they have been diagnosed with a mental health problem, or as you put it "loosing the plot" ?"

Yes i have been diagnosed with a mental health problem and know very well about losing..or as you put it "loosing" the plot but my point was that Sol Campbell has a history of playing the colour card and now he is trying to sell a book by insulting his peers (Managers)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

point 1:

while he was making his point about the england captaincy being decided by race, a pic was flashed up of him stood behind the england skipper at the time, one paul ince......there is his argument lost right there lol

if the FA were institutionally racist, why have we just celebrated ahsley cole getting over 100 caps?

why did Sol himself play not far away from 100 games (nearly 80 iirc)

i listened to an interview on 5live last night and, im afraid, he came across as conceited, delusional about his own abilities (branding himself 1 of the best defenders in the world in his day) and arrogant.

i would suggest he wasnt made captain of England because of these reasons, nothing to do with colour.

what does our very own Fabio say? those that have been wronged always blame something they cannot change, as it then leaves them blameless.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

did graham Taylor not make paul ince captain ? and I'm sure he was black !! "

I agree ..... Crying wolf and making false claims are not good things and damaging.

It diminishes the true importance of the situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What springs too mind for me is that people in glass house's shouldnt throw stones so my point is dont judge people if he's doing it just for the dough so what? Do you really think racism doesn't exist in the higher echelons football? I suppose there's no homophobia either!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What springs too mind for me is that people in glass house's shouldnt throw stones so my point is dont judge people if he's doing it just for the dough so what? Do you really think racism doesn't exist in the higher echelons football? I suppose there's no homophobia either!!"

so its alright to shout from the rooftops, unfounded accusations to make a bit more money, for a guy thats already loaded?

my word, i thought i had read some rubbish in my time, but that really does show why the fight against racism has taken so bloody long, and indeed, may well never end.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't be there are no gay footballers!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats his opinion though isnt it? And he is voicing his as your are your's?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

He would have had a point if there'd never been a black captain, but even I, with my marginal interest in football can name two: Paul Ince and Rio Ferdinand.

Sour grapes is never attractive, I feel embarrassed for him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pretty sure that Sol captained England himself 2 or 3 times (in the absence of the regular captain). As such the picture of him of him and Ince proves nothing. Ince himself captained less than 10 times, again in the absence of the regular captain or vice. You'll have to forgive me on the facts as I was a nipper when he was bossing midfields

I haven't read his claims (I've only seen the sensationalised media headlines) and reading between the lines he is seemingly saying that his colour affected his chances of becoming the full time captain.

Can't say I agree with him but let's take the sensationalism out of it and look and what he's actually saying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its odd he has gone on about colour I would have though he would have had more credibility if he has said it was because people thought he was gay. I guess the guy is confused about many things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Blatant self publicity to sell his book. He has gone down in my estimation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

His book is already written......Therefore the quotes being broadcast and sensationalised are by the media/publishers from the book etc

Why are they not getting stick?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just been reading about sol Campbell and his accusations against the FA what are people's thoughts on this ? Do you think he has a point ?

I just think he wasnt captain because he played for spurs most his career. Captains usually come from the biggest club teams who win things. "

The most successful English captain ever played for West Ham.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"point 1:

if the FA were institutionally racist, why have we just celebrated ahsley cole getting over 100 caps?

why did Sol himself play not far away from 100 games (nearly 80 iirc)

i would suggest he wasnt made captain of England because of these reasons, nothing to do with colour.

what does our very own Fabio say? those that have been wronged always blame something they cannot change, as it then leaves them blameless..... "

I heard that interview and couldn't believe how arrogant he was. He said that for a period of six years he had been the best centre back in the world!! Big headed doesn't cover it! He was good, but not THAT good. The best CBs tend to be Italian in my view. And Martin Keown, who must have played with Campbell a huge amount of times said he wasn't the best communicator on the field so how could he be captain. Maybe first name on the teamsheet but no more. He's just trying to sell his book and, unfortunately, in the process has damaged the campaign to get racism out of footie by making cheap, false allegations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I should have won an oscar for '12 Years A Slave'

Sol Campbell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thats his opinion though isnt it? And he is voicing his as your are your's? "

opinion is good, however, when he is trading it as fact, then its not so, and thats what he is saying.

he isnt and hasnt said 'i think/believe i wasnt captain more because i am black' he said 'i DIDNT captain England more because im black'.

ay be semantics but there ya go

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

similar impression from listening too, he's aiming the canon at the wrong target its not the FA who pick the skipper its the manager..

he has raised this now with no foundation apart from his own opinion, ego and desire to sell more books..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

do you think with this accusation he potentailly has done anything positive to improve the racism in the game at any level..?

problem is when anyone cries wolf about whatever then that imho diminishes the actual issue for those fighting to right that issue..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Therefore Arsenal are racist too, Sol never got that captaincy either.

Maybe he's just a very uninspiring man, too insular to be leader material.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because Graham Taylor is having to come out and defend himself against heinous and highly questionable accusations?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh going on about he wasn't made captain coz he is black lol

No its coz he was shit!

And yes he is black, get over it!

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By *onnydayzMan
over a year ago

preston

Sol was unfortunate to play in an era when the 1st choice captain was always going to be David Beckham. I don't think there was any race issue going on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just been reading about sol Campbell and his accusations against the FA what are people's thoughts on this ? Do you think he has a point ? "

No.

He is talking shit, I actually know a few 'ballers and most can't believe he even said it.

But Sol Campbell suffers from depression, that's what they didn't mention in that story.

That being said, autobiographies are supposed to be controversial for £££££

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I should have won an oscar for '12 Years A Slave'

Sol Campbell."

At what point did you think that was funny?...

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Who would you want to be Captain of your team? Sol Campbell or David Beckham.......no contest really is there, the guy is talking shite, and can you ever imagine Sol Campbell doing pre match and post match press conferences?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just hope he sells as many copies of his book as he would like to, because i wouldn't like to be accused of not buying it just because he is very dark.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The bloke is an asshole and is talking crap! FACT.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For a guy who dumped the club that raised him and had no scruples about leaving - not sort of guy that would inspire loyalty and honour within a team he may captain

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I should have won an oscar for '12 Years A Slave'

Sol Campbell."
Oh Dear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"His book is already written......Therefore the quotes being broadcast and sensationalised are by the media/publishers from the book etc

Why are they not getting stick?"

Because he supposedly wrote the book and definitely gave the interviews himself and not the Media/Publishers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thats the same Sol that was suing Portsmouth for milliins of unpaid wageswhen they were on the brink of financial collapse.

Never fully in touch with reality.

Is that his fault? That's on the owners of the clubs. You hire me to do a job, I'd want paying too.

I don't doubt there's some element of racism in the corridors of power but he's neglecting to say who his competition was for a lot of the time, Beckham for a good chunk of it, only one winner there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just been reading about sol Campbell and his accusations against the FA what are people's thoughts on this ? Do you think he has a point ?

I just think he wasnt captain because he played for spurs most his career. Captains usually come from the biggest club teams who win things.

The most successful English captain ever played for West Ham. "

So far I've 'almost' avoided posting on this thread but this here is the last straw - & I feel that I have to draw the line;

Bobby Moore was 'West Ham's' best ever captain - who happened to play for England, - SORT IT!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While Sol Campbell has no arguement on this issue, there are issues (including racism) that football is still dealing with. His comments are damaging and not because they have no substance, but because by turning a blind eye to this issue, they turn a blind eye to others.

Own goal or what?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"While Sol Campbell has no arguement on this issue, there are issues (including racism) that football is still dealing with. His comments are damaging and not because they have no substance, but because by turning a blind eye to this issue, they turn a blind eye to others.

Own goal or what?!

Football latest:

Own goal 7-0 Captain material

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The bloke is an asshole and is talking crap! FACT. "
arseholes are like opinions everybody has one now thats a FACT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What we do know about Sol Campbell is that he screwed over the club that invested in him as a youngster and made him the player he was to go and play for their biggest rivals.

That fact alone hints at the type of personality that may have stopped him being team captain, let alone captain of the national team.

Nobody can say that David Beckham hasn't been a great ambassador for this country as a whole.

It's nothing but a good quote to promote his book

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably the greatest defender I've ever watched but will always remain a Judas...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably the greatest defender I've ever watched but will always remain a Judas..."

I agree with half of that!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably the greatest defender I've ever watched but will always remain a Judas...

I agree with half of that!!

Judas part hopefully

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably the greatest defender I've ever watched but will always remain a Judas...

I agree with half of that!!

Judas part hopefully

Well he certainly was a decent defender, but not the best I've seen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The English FA are the least racist FA in Europe.

No FA has tried to stamp out racism more than English football.

Sol is playing the race card and it's not a good thing to do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thats the same Sol that was suing Portsmouth for milliins of unpaid wageswhen they were on the brink of financial collapse.

Never fully in touch with reality.

Is that his fault? That's on the owners of the clubs. You hire me to do a job, I'd want paying too.

I did wonder if that sort of response would arise but then that wasn't the point I was making.

I don't doubt there's some element of racism in the corridors of power but he's neglecting to say who his competition was for a lot of the time, Beckham for a good chunk of it, only one winner there."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What astonishes me most about this story is that Campbell thinks he was one of the best defenders in the world. He wasn't even the best defender in north London.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What astonishes me most about this story is that Campbell thinks he was one of the best defenders in the world. He wasn't even the best defender in north London. "

Tony Adams=Legend!

If Ledley King wasn't plagued with persistent knee compliant, he would have outshone all of England's central defenders. Words from an Arsenal fan.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"What astonishes me most about this story is that Campbell thinks he was one of the best defenders in the world. He wasn't even the best defender in north London.

Tony Adams=Legend!

If Ledley King wasn't plagued with persistent knee compliant, he would have outshone all of England's central defenders. Words from an Arsenal fan.

I take it you mean from that era?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What astonishes me most about this story is that Campbell thinks he was one of the best defenders in the world. He wasn't even the best defender in north London.

Tony Adams=Legend!

If Ledley King wasn't plagued with persistent knee compliant, he would have outshone all of England's central defenders. Words from an Arsenal fan.

I take it you mean from that era?"

It's hard to shine when you spend most of your time injured instead of playing.

Guess we'll never really know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What astonishes me most about this story is that Campbell thinks he was one of the best defenders in the world. He wasn't even the best defender in north London.

Tony Adams=Legend!

If Ledley King wasn't plagued with persistent knee compliant, he would have outshone all of England's central defenders. Words from an Arsenal fan.

I take it you mean from that era?

It's hard to shine when you spend most of your time injured instead of playing.

Guess we'll never really know."

and, being honest, coming back from adversity so many times, i can guarantee that ledley would have gotten his fair share of games as captain, had he managed to be fit for the latter stages of his career.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe Sol "bottled it" knowing Ledley potentially would have overshadowed him at Spurs....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

His interview on BBC Breakfast is cringe worthy. Hope no one buys the book.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sol was a decent player but nowhere as good as what he thinks he was,I feel he is just trying to sell copies of his book.I won't be buying it.Not that the best players always make the best captains.But there were a lot of better candidates around at the time!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just an average player not good enough lucky enough to get as many caps as he did

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

" i can guarantee that ledley would have gotten his fair share of games as captain, had he managed to be fit for the latter stages of his career."

How ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" i can guarantee that ledley would have gotten his fair share of games as captain, had he managed to be fit for the latter stages of his career.

How ?"

just by pure ability.

he was a favourite of the managers at the time, never put a foot wrong when played, and was fantastic next to terry or ferdinand, and if fitness hadnt got in the way, would have been picked over one or the other of them (probably terry)

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

just by pure ability.

Ledley King over John Terry ?

Not for me

Adam (Chelski fan)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just by pure ability.

Ledley King over John Terry ?

Not for me

Adam (Chelski fan)

lol, well thankfully, as a fan of a team that only gets international recognition when there has been a virus outbreak with all the first teamers, i am able to look at it from a distance without team loyalty and politics getting in the way lol.

i actually cant believe this issue has now been brought up by Vas in parliament.

have they fuck all better to do than to investigate the ramblings of a seemingly deeply paranoid ex footballer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On talk sport now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sol Campbell was simply not a good enough leader to ever be captain. Granted Beckham took over when it could have been him but Sol always had personal issues that would have stood in his way of being a good England captain. Paul Ince captained against Italy in 1997 when Campbell was playing, long before he would have been captain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spoke to one of his former team mates last night who described him as aloof, arrogant and a bit odd. Not exactly captain material whether you are black, white or green!

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By *awkeye and HotlipsCouple
over a year ago

Takeley

Apparently, he did captain England, albeit a few times. Yes, he was captain at Tottenham, when he was at Arsenal, Tony Adams was skipper, you won't find many Arsenal fans saying he should have had the armband over TA. There is a saying, that there should be 11 captains out on the pitch. Just because you are ( or in Sols' case, were ) a good ( not great, it's a term often overused )player, does not make you a shoe in for the captaincy, race doesn't come into it. Next there will be a case for Gazza being skipper....It seems that SC has a book to sell, he has got previous about voicing his opinions, that are not often shared by his peers. I hope he is enjoying his significant pension and hasn't got to rely on the royalties from his book as it maybe a thrifty Christmas this year in the Campbell household. BTW, come on England, let's go win the world cup: from an ever optimistic and unrealist of an England fan. ( i'd buy your book Sol, if you would come out and show some support for our national team! )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not at all remember he is selling a book and to be playing the race card is sickening yet so easy to do.

he has no evidence to back it up so now ex managers are in effect being accused of racism.

Personally anyone making accusations without actual proof of racism happening should get same sentence as anyone found guilty of doing it as would help deter stuff like this being said.

Laws apply across the spectrum white black chinese any you wish to name.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

did graham Taylor not make paul ince captain ? and I'm sure he was black !!

And Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole..."

They're both mixed raced but I get your point.

Silk

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

"I have just been reading about sol Campbell and his accusations against the FA what are people's thoughts on this ? Do you think he has a point ? "

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't agree with what Campbell said but I do think he should have been captain ahead of Michael Owen.

Campbell had a dodgy end to this career and that's what people tend to remember he was a top player at his peak.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Impression I got from Talk Sport interview was that he sounded a touch regretful about leaving...Hindsight is a beautiful thing...

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