FabSwingers.com forum: TV/TS . i think this is good news.

By *nne Callan OP Woman
over a year ago

Nothing to see here. Please move along.

Today I found out from a party rep who asked the big bosses that a certain ladies party plan company regarding TV/TS as their chosen gender. As long as all members of the event are dressed accordingly then it is open to more than just natural born females.

This doesnt mean men can get dressed in a skirt just to go along, but for genuine people. Not all planners will be ok with this stance but there are some that do. My friend definately does.

I think this is a great step along the road to accpetance.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Not wishing to cause a row here but TSs are born their gender, they merely choose to live that way and, sometimes transition fully with surgery.

TVs don't wish to change gender and continue to identify as male. Female isn't their chosen gender either.

And that's without the argument between sex and gender.

That said, I think it's a good thing Trans ladies will be allowed at parties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Today I found out from a party rep who asked the big bosses that a certain ladies party plan company regarding TV/TS as their chosen gender. As long as all members of the event are dressed accordingly then it is open to more than just natural born females.

This doesnt mean men can get dressed in a skirt just to go along, but for genuine people. Not all planners will be ok with this stance but there are some that do. My friend definately does.

I think this is a great step along the road to accpetance.

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TV/ts is a gender?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

TV/ts is a gender?"

It absolutely is. There are many genders, not just male and female. Facebook now has up to 50 gender types for people to choose from.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

This doesnt mean men can get dressed in a skirt just to go along, but for genuine people. Not all planners will be ok with this stance but there are some that do. My friend definately does.

I think this is a great step along the road to accpetance.

TV/ts is a gender?"

On here it is. Male, female or TV/TS.

Bit daft.

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By *nne Callan OP Woman
over a year ago

Nothing to see here. Please move along.

I do apologies for my poor wording but the sentiment behind the post is just one of joy that a major company has brought down a barrier to inclusion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not wishing to cause a row here but TSs are born their gender, they merely choose to live that way and, sometimes transition fully with surgery.

TVs don't wish to change gender and continue to identify as male. Female isn't their chosen gender either.

And that's without the argument between sex and gender.

That said, I think it's a good thing Trans ladies will be allowed at parties."

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

TV/ts is a gender?

It absolutely is. There are many genders, not just male and female. Facebook now has up to 50 gender types for people to choose from."

Although I doubt faceberk lumps TV and TS together. They are rather distinct.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I do apologies for my poor wording but the sentiment behind the post is just one of joy that a major company has brought down a barrier to inclusion"

Absolutely. I don't see why couples can't have parties too actually.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Not wishing to cause a row here but TSs are born their gender, they merely choose to live that way and, sometimes transition fully with surgery.

TVs don't wish to change gender and continue to identify as male. Female isn't their chosen gender either.

And that's without the argument between sex and gender.

That said, I think it's a good thing Trans ladies will be allowed at parties.

Would you like to be more specific about which part you disagree with or are you just sticking to your usual pattern of stalking my posts to try to inflame situations?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not wishing to cause a row here but TSs are born their gender, they merely choose to live that way and, sometimes transition fully with surgery.

TVs don't wish to change gender and continue to identify as male. Female isn't their chosen gender either.

And that's without the argument between sex and gender.

That said, I think it's a good thing Trans ladies will be allowed at parties.

Would you like to be more specific about which part you disagree with or are you just sticking to your usual pattern of stalking my posts to try to inflame situations? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ts/tv is not a gender! your either male or female according to your birth cert is this right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not wishing to cause a row here but TSs are born their gender, they merely choose to live that way and, sometimes transition fully with surgery.

TVs don't wish to change gender and continue to identify as male. Female isn't their chosen gender either.

And that's without the argument between sex and gender.

That said, I think it's a good thing Trans ladies will be allowed at parties.

Would you like to be more specific about which part you disagree with or are you just sticking to your usual pattern of stalking my posts to try to inflame situations? "

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It is illegal to discriminate in the provision of goods and services based upon gender, except in very rare circumstances, or exempted by law. It is a good thing that this company has caught up with the 21st century. My gender is my choice, and I would pursue legal channels should anyone stand in my way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is illegal to discriminate in the provision of goods and services based upon gender, except in very rare circumstances, or exempted by law. It is a good thing that this company has caught up with the 21st century. My gender is my choice, and I would pursue legal channels should anyone stand in my way. "

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ts/tv is not a gender! your either male or female according to your birth cert is this right?"

Wow - your views are so archaic. Being transgendered is recognised by law! A recent job application I filled in had transfemale and transmale as gender types.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems to be a few dinosaurs On here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ts/tv is not a gender! your either male or female according to your birth cert is this right?

Wow - your views are so archaic. Being transgendered is recognised by law! A recent job application I filled in had transfemale and transmale as gender types. "
can you by law change your birth cert to transgender ? just asking! not a view a question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ts/tv is not a gender! your either male or female according to your birth cert is this right?

Wow - your views are so archaic. Being transgendered is recognised by law! A recent job application I filled in had transfemale and transmale as gender types. can you by law change your birth cert to transgender ? just asking! not a view a question"

People who are transgendered can change their gender to female or male as per their gender identity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ts/tv is not a gender! your either male or female according to your birth cert is this right?

People who are transgendered can change their gender to female or male as per their gender identity. "
that's my point there is no transgender on birth cert

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female"

I think it's wrong that you are allowed to have access to a keyboard, but there you go, can't have everything we want can we

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female

I think it's wrong that you are allowed to have access to a keyboard, but there you go, can't have everything we want can we

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I have no problem with Trans genders but changing birth certs is changing history! you are born make or female and that is what should stay on the certificate of your birth

unless you can come up with a reason as to why not ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female

I think it's wrong that you are allowed to have access to a keyboard, but there you go, can't have everything we want can we

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By *onnyforfunMan
over a year ago

Doncaster

"I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female"
your living in the dark ages people cant help there sexuality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female your living in the dark ages people cant help there sexuality"
ah yes but where does it stop! changing birth certs ! men using ladies toilets! would women be ok with this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female

I think it's wrong that you are allowed to have access to a keyboard, but there you go, can't have everything we want can we

I have no problem with Trans genders but changing birth certs is changing history! you are born make or female and that is what should stay on the certificate of your birth

unless you can come up with a reason as to why not ? "

Discrimination for a start! an awful lot of trans people live in stealth in their preferred gender. Anyone with access to their birth certificate can identify their birth gender.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female your living in the dark ages people cant help there sexuality ah yes but where does it stop! changing birth certs ! men using ladies toilets! would women be ok with this? "

If they are identifying as women what's the problem?

Only women with an attitude similar to yours object.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female

I think it's wrong that you are allowed to have access to a keyboard, but there you go, can't have everything we want can we

I have no problem with Trans genders but changing birth certs is changing history! you are born make or female and that is what should stay on the certificate of your birth

unless you can come up with a reason as to why not ?

Discrimination for a start! an awful lot of trans people live in stealth in their preferred gender. Anyone with access to their birth certificate can identify their birth gender."
and rightly so! you felt you were born the wrong gender! but end of day for example if I WA getting matured to a woman I would like to know if she was born a male ! that's just one example I mean you can't go changing history to suit you're sexuality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female

I think it's wrong that you are allowed to have access to a keyboard, but there you go, can't have everything we want can we

I have no problem with Trans genders but changing birth certs is changing history! you are born make or female and that is what should stay on the certificate of your birth

unless you can come up with a reason as to why not ?

Discrimination for a start! an awful lot of trans people live in stealth in their preferred gender. Anyone with access to their birth certificate can identify their birth gender. and rightly so! you felt you were born the wrong gender! but end of day for example if I WA getting matured to a woman I would like to know if she was born a male ! that's just one example I mean you can't go changing history to suit you're sexuality"

I assume you mean married? in which case I think you would have a right to know your partners history, it comes down to trust in any relationship. If you can't be honest with your partner the relationship is doomed anyway.

However there are many ways trans people can be discriminated against. Just think about it.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female

I think it's wrong that you are allowed to have access to a keyboard, but there you go, can't have everything we want can we

I have no problem with Trans genders but changing birth certs is changing history! you are born make or female and that is what should stay on the certificate of your birth

unless you can come up with a reason as to why not ? "

Because who you are and your gender is more than just the body you are born in.

Transsexual people are born in the wrong body. Why should they not be able to live as who they are?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Nobody is defined simply by what they look like and their body parts.

You're happy with your gender identity? Great. Why not allow everyone that opportunity?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

can I say I have no problem with Trans genders its the idea that they could change their birth cert that I have the problem with!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to the "dignity at work" couse I had to do in my current job anyone starting tg change should be given the choice of which loo they wish to use without discrimination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to the "dignity at work" couse I had to do in my current job anyone starting tg change should be given the choice of which loo they wish to use without discrimination.

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and what about the rights of other staff who strongly feel that they only feel comfortable sharing the loo with their own gender?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to the "dignity at work" couse I had to do in my current job anyone starting tg change should be given the choice of which loo they wish to use without discrimination.

and what about the rights of other staff who strongly feel that they only feel comfortable sharing the loo with their own gender?"

It was made quite clear that anyone objecting would be discriminating the same as in the bad old days of segrigation due to colour. To be honest there were a few older women who got very upset when this came up but on the whole no one wad really bothered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to the "dignity at work" couse I had to do in my current job anyone starting tg change should be given the choice of which loo they wish to use without discrimination.

and what about the rights of other staff who strongly feel that they only feel comfortable sharing the loo with their own gender?"

Well I Guess they're bigots too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to the "dignity at work" couse I had to do in my current job anyone starting tg change should be given the choice of which loo they wish to use without discrimination.

and what about the rights of other staff who strongly feel that they only feel comfortable sharing the loo with their own gender?"

I wouldnt have an issue. And im sure there are many many more.. Go team Panti!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest I think women are far more open minded about such things on the whole. Sorry for the sweeping generalisation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was made quite clear that anyone objecting would be discriminating the same as in the bad old days of segrigation due to colour."

Not sure if your serious. Who do you work for? Your actually saying they compared apartheid to allowing men who dress as women accessing workplace lavatories?

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By *orthwest_cplCouple
over a year ago

Stretford

"I think its wrong to change a birth cert! you are either born a male our female

I think it's wrong that you are allowed to have access to a keyboard, but there you go, can't have everything we want can we

lmfao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was made quite clear that anyone objecting would be discriminating the same as in the bad old days of segrigation due to colour.

Not sure if your serious. Who do you work for? Your actually saying they compared apartheid to allowing men who dress as women accessing workplace lavatories?

It's not a company couse it's a government one all employers must at some point run it, the attitude was any form of discrimination is unacceptable, there is no grading it's all the same it's all bad.

I'm not saying I agree with all of it because I don't. I'm just supprised no one else has heard of it.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

I knew a man who wanted to dress as a woman at work the problem of the loo was sorted by giving hin/her her own toilet

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By *orthwest_cplCouple
over a year ago

Stretford

It was made quite clear that anyone objecting would be discriminating the same as in the bad old days of segrigation due to colour.

Not sure if your serious. Who do you work for? Your actually saying they compared apartheid to allowing men who dress as women accessing workplace lavatories?

Not someone who dresses as a woman on a whim, someone who is transgendering - although both might wear pretty frocks there is a subtle difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I knew a man who wanted to dress as a woman at work the problem of the loo was sorted by giving hin/her her own toilet "

Unfortunately under the dignity at work guidelines that would be classed as discrimination, I'm not saying I agree with it as many who did the course with me suggested the same thing, also offering disabled facilities wouldn't be allowed either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This doesnt mean men can get dressed in a skirt just to go along, but for genuine people. Not all planners will be ok with this stance but there are some that do. My friend definately does.

I think this is a great step along the road to accpetance.

I think it would be an even greater step to allow all genders/persuasions including MEN

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"can I say I have no problem with Trans genders its the idea that they could change their birth cert that I have the problem with! "

You can say it, but from the number of your posts, not everyone will be convinced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not saying I agree with all of it because I don't. I'm just supprised no one else has heard of it."

There's confused, there's totally baffled, then there's the state of utter brain melt I'm in deciphering this. You are a government worker then? Or council?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Blimey we're only shitting and pissing in there I can't see why there isn't a unisex option of toilet facilities. Of course in the work place there should be seperate ones but I couldn't give a monkeys who I'm shitting next to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not saying I agree with all of it because I don't. I'm just supprised no one else has heard of it.

There's confused, there's totally baffled, then there's the state of utter brain melt I'm in deciphering this. You are a government worker then? Or council?

Nope factory work and having just read up on it it seems that it has union backing and acas backing however I'm still supprised no one else has heard of it let alone done it. It's the only training I've done in my job in 3 years lol

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I knew a man who wanted to dress as a woman at work the problem of the loo was sorted by giving hin/her her own toilet

That's not strictly true. The employer is required to provide facilities in a nondiscriminatory way taking reasonable care. The definition of reasonable will be different for each employer depending on the size of the staff team, the costs etc. Lots of the places I work have mixed use facilities with men, women and transgendered all together.

As to another post about birth certificates, there are some people born intersex. A choice is made for them but it may not be the choice they will choose later.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I'm not saying I agree with all of it because I don't. I'm just supprised no one else has heard of it.

There's confused, there's totally baffled, then there's the state of utter brain melt I'm in deciphering this. You are a government worker then? Or council?

There are lots of courses of this type. I wonder what is going on in your workplace that this is the course you are mandated to attend?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair I have done a post about the course and it seems only one other person has heard about it. I've attended it at my last 2 employers so it seems it's just a local thing.

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By *my-blackTV/TS
over a year ago

Poole

I think there should be a gender option "tit" cos there certainly seems to be a few of those around here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I knew a man who wanted to dress as a woman at work the problem of the loo was sorted by giving hin/her her own toilet

As to another post about birth certificates, there are some people born intersex. A choice is made for them but it may not be the choice they will choose later.

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By *w33tCh33ks91TV/TS
over a year ago

Manchester

Obviously a controversial subject here, but my opinion is to let whoever be/dress/act how they wish to live their lives. So long as they are not hurting anyone. If people do not like how others live their lives then they should maybe keep up with modern times, things change and the world is changing everyday.

It's your life and you're here for a VERY short time live it how you want and be proud!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think there should be a gender option "tit" cos there certainly seems to be a few of those around here

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why not ! great idea and then we could have toilets for each gender male female tit and transgender

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Obviously a controversial subject here, but my opinion is to let whoever be/dress/act how they wish to live their lives. So long as they are not hurting anyone. If people do not like how others live their lives then they should maybe keep up with modern times, things change and the world is changing everyday.

It's your life and you're here for a VERY short time live it how you want and be proud! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fox ache .... places in France for example have only one loo, pee poo or go home is the choices you have there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fox ache .... places in France for example have only one loo, pee poo or go home is the choices you have there.

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uni loo that's ok because that serves both genders male and female

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fox ache .... places in France for example have only one loo, pee poo or go home is the choices you have there.

uni loo that's ok because that serves both genders male and female"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I'm singing is "sexy.... Everything about you so sexy"

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Funnyi, we are only getting this anxiety about others possibly using women's loos from a guy. Yet it is the gents where cocks are out on display, and in the ladies all is behind closed doors. What is he worried about, that we will hear the gossip about throwbacks, or what a short straw someone must have drawn, and we are glad we are not the wife etc. Just get it, someone who has assumed male gender can use the guys loo, and vice versa. It is not hard to fathom. Most of us are accepting of others, despite differences. Some of us recognise where our attitudes are poor, and reconsider them. Most animals died before they became fossils, so dont buck the trend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've gone into clubs and pubs that weren't transgender venues and used the ladies loo while dressed and you know what only once had a problem and that was from a bloke. Women don't give a shit and often will have a natter while we're all touching up our make up.

If someone identifies with being a woman more then a man and wishes to change why shouldn't they be allowed to change their birth cert. Having to show a passport every time you go abroad thats in your male name that you've probably already changed from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've gone into clubs and pubs that weren't transgender venues and used the ladies loo while dressed and you know what only once had a problem and that was from a bloke. Women don't give a shit and often will have a natter while we're all touching up our make up.

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are you full Trans gender ?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Absolutely. As long as someone is behaving appropriately and not being creepy or weird then I don't care if they use the ladies loo. If a man en bloke did so, I might think it strange, unless they had a young daughter with them, but I don't see why I'd object.

I took issue once with a cd who was notorious for creepy behaviour when he handcuffed himself to a cubicle inside the ladies toilets at a kink venue. I can't think of any other problems ever.

When there's been a queue I've been known to use the gents, so fair's fair!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

are you full Trans gender ?"

No I wanted to be but couldn't take the number of bigots out there who wouldn't leave me to do normal things like go shopping without stopping, staring and making stupid comments but then again I am 6'5 without heels and wouldn't say I was convincing.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

are you full Trans gender ?

TG is TG as far as I am concerned. There's no full or half. Sure there's full-time and part-time but neither makes you any more or less TG.

That TG encompasses TS and TV seems to be causing some issues.

As does trolling and a total lack of desire or intention to understand being demonstrated by some.

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By *ampWithABrainWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

The idea that there is binary gender difference is actually a philosophical concept not a biological fact. There's a far higher incidence of trans sex and or hermaphrodites born than people realise. Also many people who identify as a gender different to what is their outward physical gender are found to be genetically the gender they identify with.

The birth certificate issue is more to do with antiquated laws (the law takes forever to catch up with real life) than any 'fact'.

As for the loo situation, I've never come across a woman who'd have an issue with anyone using the 'ladies' loos, as someone said all cubicles are private anyway.

The gents might be a tad more difficult for those not yet fully outwardly physically male during their transition but if discrimination laws are enforced properly this hopefully will become less of a problem.

Ultimately, live and let live.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no problem with Trans genders but changing birth certs is changing history! you are born make or female and that is what should stay on the certificate of your birth

unless you can come up with a reason as to why not ? "

You can legally change your name, so the birth certificate is already changeable.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

I think it is a step in the right direction if anyone can go.

Male or female or Ts,tg

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