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"Someone has put too much blusher on Dave" thats a deliberate nod to the pink vote! LoL | |||
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"Someone has put too much blusher on Dave" How funny- i wanna seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | |||
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"Someone has put too much blusher on Dave How funny- i wanna seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" imagine a very ugly aunt sally with plums up her arse and your close!! xx  | |||
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"Someone has put too much blusher on Dave thats a deliberate nod to the pink vote! LoL " I can assure you, this pink vote won't be turning blue  | |||
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"Someone has put too much blusher on Dave How funny- i wanna seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee imagine a very ugly aunt sally with plums up her arse and your close!! xx "ahahahahahahahahaha Got it  | |||
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"thank christ i thought there was somethin wrong with my telly!!! im enjoyin the euro debate as im no sure if we should be in or out of it! x" Only problem with Europe is instead of leading the way we have to be dragged along at the back of the pack! As for leaving over 40% of trade goes to and 60% of our wealth is generated due EU membership, if we left the EU it would put in the region of 3 to 5 million out of work overnight and destroy this country. | |||
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"Someone has put too much blusher on Dave" Hes had botox too lol | |||
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"Its all too staged to me,they are all saying what they think we want to hear,but this side of the election they'll say anything at all If they put words into action after the election is another thing OMG! im doing it again! posting on a political thread,election fever is catching Does anyone know if they're doing anymore of these debates I would be really interested in any debate about the NHS" one more next thursday hun... bbc1 , its suppose to be on the economy.... david dimbleby will chair... | |||
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"but why should we lead the way?? there is more than us in europe?? if im right a lot of fundin about here comes from european funds for social deprivation etc i remember fillin forms in when i was youth worker xx" While we hang back at every advance we have no say in how it is set up and run. Clasic example is the euro, when we eventually join we will have to abide by all the rules and regs that have been put in place over the last 9 years. And rather than joining at the start when a £ would have got us 1.6 to 1.8 euros, we will be forced to accept less than 1Eu to the £. My guess is the little brittons will hold out till round £2 to 1Eu., but in the mean time the Bankers get to make their 5% on all the trade into the euro zone (and who own and run the banks?)  | |||
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"what a crackin question about the pope!! excellent!!! " stand away from the popebomb and watch them all squirm... just the fact that clegg said he wasn't a man of faith almost secured my vote... lol | |||
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"what a crackin question about the pope!! excellent!!! stand away from the popebomb and watch them all squirm... just the fact that clegg said he wasn't a man of faith almost secured my vote... lol" Bet some politicians arses are twitching tonight lol | |||
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"what a crackin question about the pope!! excellent!!! stand away from the popebomb and watch them all squirm... just the fact that clegg said he wasn't a man of faith almost secured my vote... lol Bet some politicians arses are twitching tonight lol "I love a twitchy arse  | |||
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 seems to much bias and question fixing from Sky?
Sky should never have been allowed to hold this debate | |||
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"good point from clegg about social care!! and the heatin allowance extended to ill and disabled x" did you notice cameron told the 84 yr old nana that help would start.....in 2016.... only 5 yrs to cling on then!!! | |||
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cameron witterin about direct care payments i dont know if england got them i know scotland has!
no mention of carers allowance though! xx | |||
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"Why the fuck have Sky put that stupid bloody scrolling text along the bottom of the screen. It is distracting. And clegg's just admitted to being the first faithless leader in European politics, that's gonna cost him some votes I think. " oooh.. i don't know about that... the agnostics out there would love that.... heck us "twice a year" catholics are probably wavering.... | |||
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"good point from clegg about social care!! and the heatin allowance extended to ill and disabled x" How ill and how disabled though  | |||
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"Why the fuck have Sky put that stupid bloody scrolling text along the bottom of the screen. It is distracting. And clegg's just admitted to being the first faithless leader in European politics, that's gonna cost him some votes I think. oooh.. i don't know about that... the agnostics out there would love that.... heck us "twice a year" catholics are probably wavering.... "An American politician admitting to being faithless would be committing political suicide. People don't like having their faith questuioned and a faithless politician does just that. I'm faithless too and admire the guy for being honest about it but I do think those who are pious will be doubting him. | |||
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"ooooh... the murdochs are going to hate this... I think this is another slam dunk victory for Clegg....... watch for news corp to go on full attack mode tomorrow....." The more they try and blacken Clegg the more i lean towards him. | |||
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"i think clegg done well cameron better than last week and brown also done a lot better but clegg wins again! sun only fit for hamsters cage anyway lol xx" My hamster would chuck it out. Its a hi brow Times hamster | |||
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"early results in.... the yougov/sun poll gave it to Cameron... Clegg 2nd, Brown 3rd the Comres/ITV poll gave it to Clegg.. Cameron and Brown tied for 2nd... next weeks could be a blockbuster...." Bit of ganging up on Clegg for me and i got the opp Cameron was worried he wasn't going to be moving house soon! | |||
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"Yeah i think the moto should be----"Keep crime down"!!! The fab swingers bosses should be policeman/policeladys or are they?? lol lol Fab swingers bosses for PM!! "He he he there area few bobbies on here! Met a right nice lady one a bit back | |||
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"I think a lot of the 'fresh new face' of Clegg has waned a bit and now he sounds much like the other two. That will cost a few points and he isn't 51% in the lead like last week. Brown had a better debate than last week and it was on one of his strengths which is number crunching but Cameron smashed him out of the park on irregularities in Labour election leafletting. Of the three, I'd say Brown last for certain and I'd give Cameron a slight edge over Clegg for the simple fact that Cameron is at his best when he shoots from the hip and he'd already said he was going to throw the script out and answer how his heart dictated." actually.. you come at this from a slighty different viewpoint than me... for me i was interested in two things.. 1) Could Brown and especially Cameron raise there game? if i was being honest... yes they were both better than last week..... 2) Could Clegg maintain the momentum... the answer again for me was yes.. I think he was as good as last week, and the reason I think you aren't seeing the 51% like last week is that the other two were better.... Cameron learning Cleggs tricks and looking down the camera for example.... Clegg hit the ground running last week and the others are having to catch up.... who do i think won... I still think Clegg did enough, but it was a lot closer than it was last week.... last two polls in... Times had Clegg and Cameron even, Brown 3rd... another had Clegg shading it from Cameron with brown last... I think it sets up next weeks perfectly..... | |||
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"Next week will be crucial and the election won or lost on it. These debates are fast becoming the only reliable way of seeing the main three leaders thinking on the spot, and people will judge them on it, even though the questions are scripted and they have a 76-point plan to follow. lol "I think they should do the last one in fancy dress! Or all three come on dressed as clowns to improve the visual effect! | |||
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"cameron got a good point about us all takin more responsibilty for children etc x" Gordon Brown took all the responsibilty away from us as parents no dicipline in homes and schools. And has turned us in a nanny state. Bought in the smoking ban amongst other things | |||
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"Next week will be crucial and the election won or lost on it. These debates are fast becoming the only reliable way of seeing the main three leaders thinking on the spot, and people will judge them on it, even though the questions are scripted and they have a 76-point plan to follow. lol
I think they should do the last one in fancy dress! Or all three come on dressed as clowns to improve the visual effect! "I think that, as the polls are concerned with who came first, they should stand there masturbating and eliminate any doubt about it. | |||
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"Next week will be crucial and the election won or lost on it. These debates are fast becoming the only reliable way of seeing the main three leaders thinking on the spot, and people will judge them on it, even though the questions are scripted and they have a 76-point plan to follow. lol
I think they should do the last one in fancy dress! Or all three come on dressed as clowns to improve the visual effect!
I think that, as the polls are concerned with who came first, they should stand there masturbating and eliminate any doubt about it. "Ill bet a pound to a penny they wouldn't get any less votes if they did. | |||
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"just listening now, I notice that the first time "Dave" says he will do something its giving £6500 to businesses that sell home owners another £6500 worth of green stuff! So if you own your own home and have £6500 going spare in the first Dave budget you get £13000 of solar/wind/insulation for your home! Nice for the rich!" That's not what he said at all and you are deliberatley misrepresenting what was actually said. Cameron said that households could spend upto £6,500 to improve energy efficiency in their homes and that incentives would be given to companies like M & S to pay for it. The Tory manifesto mentions this same £6,500 figure under their 'Green Deal' policy but that the savings would be recouped over 25 years in reduced energy bills. Now it is quite clear that any government cannot afford to give every household £6,500 - it would be ludicrous to even suggest it. What Cameron was saying is that it can be made affordable to every household by by giving companies, like M & S, incentives to pay for the work to be done. The proof will be inquiring about the Green Deal and establishing what cost to the householder, if any, will be levied at the time of installation. I'm not expecting it to be free and I don't think it should be free - I'm using gas & electricity so it's only fair that I pay for it, and it's only fair that if I wish to save myself monet that I investigate ways of doing so. The Tories plan to mak that easier for me with their Green Deal, it appears. How low income households will accomplish this I don't know, probably through some sort of credit system tagged on to whatever benefits they are cleaiming already, but I don't mind that, so long as everyone gets access to ways of reducing energy consumption. | |||
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"just listening now, I notice that the first time "Dave" says he will do something its giving £6500 to businesses that sell home owners another £6500 worth of green stuff! So if you own your own home and have £6500 going spare in the first Dave budget you get £13000 of solar/wind/insulation for your home! Nice for the rich! That's not what he said at all and you are deliberatley misrepresenting what was actually said. Cameron said that households could spend upto £6,500 to improve energy efficiency in their homes and that incentives would be given to companies like M & S to pay for it. The Tory manifesto mentions this same £6,500 figure under their 'Green Deal' policy but that the savings would be recouped over 25 years in reduced energy bills. Now it is quite clear that any government cannot afford to give every household £6,500 - it would be ludicrous to even suggest it. What Cameron was saying is that it can be made affordable to every household by by giving companies, like M & S, incentives to pay for the work to be done. The proof will be inquiring about the Green Deal and establishing what cost to the householder, if any, will be levied at the time of installation. I'm not expecting it to be free and I don't think it should be free - I'm using gas & electricity so it's only fair that I pay for it, and it's only fair that if I wish to save myself monet that I investigate ways of doing so. The Tories plan to mak that easier for me with their Green Deal, it appears. How low income households will accomplish this I don't know, probably through some sort of credit system tagged on to whatever benefits they are cleaiming already, but I don't mind that, so long as everyone gets access to ways of reducing energy consumption." Actually what he said was homeowners, and then started stumbling over his words and looking down at his notes. Its called a Freudian slip and happens when you catch yourself reveling something halfway through telling someone you want to hide it from. I am sure you will disagree, but I'll remind you of this when he has his emergency budget if he gets elected! My words will be: "I told you so" and your answer will be along the lines of "I don't want to hear that" if you answer. Of course I could be wrong, but I think not.  | |||
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" Actually what he said was homeowners, and then started stumbling over his words and looking down at his notes. Its called a Freudian slip and happens when you catch yourself reveling something halfway through telling someone you want to hide it from. I am sure you will disagree, but I'll remind you of this when he has his emergency budget if he gets elected! My words will be: "I told you so" and your answer will be along the lines of "I don't want to hear that" if you answer. Of course I could be wrong, but I think not. "A Freudian Slip only occurs when you reveal something that belies your true intention, wish or desire. We are agreed on that. David Cameron knows full well that if the 'Green Deal' applied only to homeowners he'd be on a hiding to nothing and I'd disagree with that policy wholeheartedly. Their manifesto states on page 93 under the heading: 'Helping people to go green': "Rising energy costs hit families hard, so we will create a ‘Green Deal’, giving every home up to £6,500 worth of energy improvement measures – with more for hard-to-treat homes – paid for out of savings made on fuel bills over 25 years. We will increase consumers’ control over their energy costs by ensuring that every energy bill provides information on how to move to the cheapest tariff offered by their supplier and how their energy usage compares to similar households. We will improve the energy efficiency of everyday appliances by drawing on the experience of the ‘top runner’ scheme from Japan. " It makes no mention of 'homeowners' anywhere, so it's perfectly reasonable to assume, and indeed expect, a genuine mistake to be made in the heat of a lively debate. That is all he is guilty of and you can put whatever spin on it you like, as I'm sure you will, in order to back up your anti-tory stance. | |||
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"but he said "homeowners" then stumbled then stumbled a second time when giving the figures. I think that rather than reading their manifesto (that they have had lots of time to create you need to spend more time listening to their non-scripted words and immediate corrections." Spin. You are clutching at straws here to recover the ground you've lost in having a pop at a simple error. The guy made a mistake and was trying to recover from it. If you've ever addressed an audience you'd know how nerveracking it can be. Why can't you be objective and concede that he made a mistake and that the Tory Party would never adopt a policy that assisted property owners only. | |||
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"but he said "homeowners" then stumbled then stumbled a second time when giving the figures. I think that rather than reading their manifesto (that they have had lots of time to create you need to spend more time listening to their non-scripted words and immediate corrections. Spin. You are clutching at straws here to recover the ground you've lost in having a pop at a simple error. The guy made a mistake and was trying to recover from it. If you've ever addressed an audience you'd know how nerveracking it can be. Why can't you be objective and concede that he made a mistake and that the Tory Party would never adopt a policy that assisted property owners only." I never have problems telling the truth no matter how many people are listening, as for your point about money to homeowners only, it worked for Thatcher so why not for "call me Dave" Cameron? | |||
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"I never have problems telling the truth no matter how many people are listening, as for your point about money to homeowners only, it worked for Thatcher so why not for "call me Dave" Cameron?" So your only argument is to invoke policies from 27 to 13 years ago. How did Thatcher give money to homeowners exactly? Are you referring to the right to buy council homes? Something else entirely? Please elaborate. Cameron has his own set of policies that are totally different to Thatcherism. If the current Tory manifesto was nothing but a copy of Thatcher's policies then I'm sure the Tories wouldn't be leading the opinion polls (not the leader debate polls). | |||
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"So your only argument is to invoke policies from 27 to 13 years ago. How did Thatcher give money to homeowners exactly? Are you referring to the right to buy council homes? Something else entirely? Please elaborate. Cameron has his own set of policies that are totally different to Thatcherism. If the current Tory manifesto was nothing but a copy of Thatcher's policies then I'm sure the Tories wouldn't be leading the opinion polls (not the leader debate polls)." Bathroom extensions, loft insulation, cavity wall insulation, window replacement grants. There the ones I can think of strait off, I'm sure there are more.
Ah now as for the manifesto, lets see, cut government spending, give money to people to run their own schools, give money to NHS patients, that sounds just like thatcher, cuts in public spending and then give a larger slice of what is left to those who can navigate the system. As we all know that the low skilled low paid not the rich professionals are the ones who are best able to get everything out of the system. | |||
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"Nick Clegg won by a mile it seems again "WELL I DIDNT WEATCH IT, COS "IT AINT GONNA CHANGE MY LIFE" I AM NOT SURPRISED HOWEVER | |||
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"Do you really think that "new labor"" are not a Conservative party? If so I would advise you to compare Ted Heaths manifesto of 1970 against todays labor manifesto, I think you will be surprised at exactly how right wing labor have become, Dave's mob is just one too many lurches to the right. If he gets in we are heading to wards a Dickensian Briton. The really sad thing is to get power he has to get working people like you to believe his lies and vote him in. He sounds so like Thatcher, but that is no surprise as he has the Sachie's back pulling the PR strings." Huh? New Labour? Right Wing? Do you know what the political battleground is or not? Labour: Left (Socialism) Conservative: Right (Capitalism) Liberal: Anywhere it feels it can gain some ground from the other two. I believed Blair and voted for him. If he was still leading Labour I'd probably still vote Labour as he is a world class politician, Brown is not. Cameron has the same mettle as Blair, Clegg could have but there's something missing with him, the wow factor just isn't present in Clegg. Where do my political persuasions lie, you may be thinking. I'll tell you. At heart, I'm a Liberal Democrat but I don't think they have what it takes to run a country that has to address it's internal problems yet still remain at the forefront of world politics. We are a world power and we need a leader to reflect that. Brown isn't a statesman, Blair was/is. Cameron has that oomph to him that will get the attention of other world leaders, it remains to be seen if he can convert that into deals that will benefit Britain. Nick Clegg is a nice bloke but he's just not got the mustard to bang heads and get things for us internationally. I can't see Clegg in the White House without wanting a guided tour so he can say he's seen it. Cameron would feel right at home there. This is interpersonal dynamics we're talking here, who's got what it takes to go get the best deal for us? Cameron or Clegg? It's going to be one of them, my money is on Cam. ~ Now we get to tactical voting. Who will I vote for? I want to vote Conservative. My instincts are saying 'Blue', but in my constituency it's a straight scrap between Labour and the Libdems. 2005 results: Labour: 61% Libdems: 21% Conservatives: 10% If I vote Tory it takes a vote away from the Libdems and the greater the chance that the Labour candidate will be returned. I want Labour out. Period. I have to vote for the Liberal Democrats as a Tory vote here in Gateshead is a wasted vote. | |||
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" As we all know that the low skilled low paid not the rich professionals are the ones who are best able to get everything out of the system. "Unlike all the Labour, Tory & Libdem politicians caught up in the expenses scandal huh? | |||
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" Unlike all the Labour, Tory & Libdem politicians caught up in the expenses scandal huh? "Never met or for that matter heard of a politician who managed to get to Westminster who was not a highly intelligent, savvy person who know how to manipulate every system to their benefit. As for your other post, I understand all you have said and would agree with a lot of it (tactical voting is good), however I do not trust the Tories, and it is my belief that they effectively took control of the labor party in the late 80's early 90's in the same way as more militant religious organizations are moving into all major parties now. I think we may be a lot closer in our politics than our posts would suggest. I believe that the divide is one of trust of the Tories and I do not think that divide will be bridged until you become as disillusioned with them as I became in the early 80's. Having said that you do make me think and question my beliefs and that is no bad thing. | |||
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""a shot in the dark and see what happens" Would you take a risk having unprotected sex? Probably not. So why do it with your lifestyle, finances, job, security, & future? A Libdem vote on this basis is my biggest fear of all as it means anyone who can talk a good shop but have no substance can gain power. Or someone who says all the right things but has an entirely secret agenda that kicks in after he's got the power he needs. Circa 1933. Ring any bells? Now I'm not comparing Clegg to Hitler, that would be plain daft, but what I am saying that an ill-informed vote is an entirely pointless one, as is a 'shot in the dark' vote, in my opinion." I don't think he is saying that at all and how do you know if he is ill-informed???? What I think he is questioning is, that he wants change and thinks Clegg will deliver, ...but will he actually deliver what he says as Lib Dem are untried and tested. My biggest fear is, will a vote for Lib Dem result in a hung Parliament and leave Mr Brown in No.10? | |||
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""a shot in the dark and see what happens" Would you take a risk having unprotected sex? Probably not. So why do it with your lifestyle, finances, job, security, & future? A Libdem vote on this basis is my biggest fear of all as it means anyone who can talk a good shop but have no substance can gain power. Or someone who says all the right things but has an entirely secret agenda that kicks in after he's got the power he needs. Circa 1933. Ring any bells? Now I'm not comparing Clegg to Hitler, that would be plain daft, but what I am saying that an ill-informed vote is an entirely pointless one, as is a 'shot in the dark' vote, in my opinion. I don't think he is saying that at all and how do you know if he is ill-informed???? What I think he is questioning is, that he wants change and thinks Clegg will deliver, ...but will he actually deliver what he says as Lib Dem are untried and tested. My biggest fear is, will a vote for Lib Dem result in a hung Parliament and leave Mr Brown in No.10? "Why don't you read what I posted properly. I didn't say HE was ill-informed, I said a 'shot in the dark' vote was pointless. | |||
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""a shot in the dark and see what happens" Would you take a risk having unprotected sex? Probably not. So why do it with your lifestyle, finances, job, security, & future? A Libdem vote on this basis is my biggest fear of all as it means anyone who can talk a good shop but have no substance can gain power. Or someone who says all the right things but has an entirely secret agenda that kicks in after he's got the power he needs. Circa 1933. Ring any bells? Now I'm not comparing Clegg to Hitler, that would be plain daft, but what I am saying that an ill-informed vote is an entirely pointless one, as is a 'shot in the dark' vote, in my opinion. I don't think he is saying that at all and how do you know if he is ill-informed???? What I think he is questioning is, that he wants change and thinks Clegg will deliver, ...but will he actually deliver what he says as Lib Dem are untried and tested. My biggest fear is, will a vote for Lib Dem result in a hung Parliament and leave Mr Brown in No.10?
Why don't you read what I posted properly. I didn't say HE was ill-informed, I said a 'shot in the dark' vote was pointless. "I understand that a vote for Lib Dem is a gamble, as it is with any of them. But sorry, but unless I've really misunderstood you, you seem to be inferring that a vote for Clegg is an ill-informed vote. And why in your opinion is a "shot in the dark" vote - in the context that it was used a pointless vote? | |||
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"I understand that a vote for Lib Dem is a gamble, as it is with any of them. But sorry, but unless I've really misunderstood you, you seem to be inferring that a vote for Clegg is an ill-informed vote. And why in your opinion is a "shot in the dark" vote - in the context that it was used a pointless vote?" Anyone who uses their vote to vote 'the way me dad does', or 'that's how we vote round here', or 'fuck it, let them have a go' has cast a pointless vote. It's very easy thesedays to log on, download the manifestos of the main three parties, read them, and make an educated choice. I'd rather people didn't vote at all that run the risk of re-electing some wank party just because their fookin dad likes them. | |||
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"The Labour party are deliberately letting Clegg and Co. have an easy time of it! None of that crap Gordon Clown used to spout against them. And for a very good reason! The Liberals Democrats will not get in, but because they are looking like splitting the vote, it will mean a win for Gordon and a hung parliment, both things that this country needs like a hole in the head! I have been reading the political posts on here for a few weeks and it is a real surprise how many people are still blaming Maggie for the ills of the UK! She has not been in power for about 17 years and in that time and certainly in the nearly 14 years NL have been in power, they could have changed anything they didn't agree with. Also the number of post saying " I always vote for ****!" Read the manifestos and decide on a vote by vote basis! My mother in law always votes Labour, even though she says that they always leave loads of crap for the next government to clear up! Why??? Because she always has!! I agree with Wishy, no matter what you vote, make it an informed vote or it IS wasted!" Like it or not but all votes cast count the same, they are no more or no less pointless than your vote. Nobody has to justify to anyone the way they vote. | |||
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"I understand that a vote for Lib Dem is a gamble, as it is with any of them. But sorry, but unless I've really misunderstood you, you seem to be inferring that a vote for Clegg is an ill-informed vote. And why in your opinion is a "shot in the dark" vote - in the context that it was used a pointless vote? Anyone who uses their vote to vote 'the way me dad does', or 'that's how we vote round here', or 'fuck it, let them have a go' has cast a pointless vote. It's very easy thesedays to log on, download the manifestos of the main three parties, read them, and make an educated choice. I'd rather people didn't vote at all that run the risk of re-electing some wank party just because their fookin dad likes them." I think you are right about making informed judgements, but that's not what the poster was saying. Forgive for talking for him, but I think he was saying that he doesn't trust the other two party's, who are essentially saying the same thing and wasn't sure if he could trust an untried Lib Dem to deliver on something different. So not neccessarily pointless or ill-informed! Personally, I've always voted Tory except when Labour were more Tory than the Tory's. But I like to think I'm open to listening to new ideas and other points of view. So why not give Lib Dem a try? They couldn't fuck it up any worse than the other two, ...or maybe it'll be the best thing we ever did, but we'll never know if they don't get in. | |||
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