FabSwingers.com forum: what is it about car drivers.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

lets get things straight first.

it is vehicle excise duty not car tax, Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also known as vehicle tax, car tax and road tax), is a tax that is levied as an excise duty and which must be paid for most types of vehicle which are to be used (or parked) on the public roads in the United Kingdom.

The other day cycling along the road by Brighton pier, a car driver came past me close then puled into the kerb to stop me getting past him on the inside of the car. When I went round him using the nice big gap he gave me, I got the idiot sounding his horn at me. Then giving me a mouthful of abuse for riding on the road and not the cycle path on the pavement, all I thought was what a prick as the cycle path was busy with pedestrians.

I have been cycling on roads since I was in my early teens, so I know how to ride on the roads. So what is the problem with car drivers and cyclist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shave those sideburns hippy! You look like a girl!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shave those sideburns hippy! You look like a girl!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's the reason some of my cyclist friends have helmet cams. One has just had a car driver prosecuted for knocking him off his bike. Car driver needs a bike as well now as he got banned for 18 months

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm thinking of investing in a helmet cam. Had 2 incidents last year which I would have reported to the police if I had one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's face it. There are dicks everywhere. Car drivers can be dicks as can truck drivers,taxi drivers, white van men and cyclists. As a car driver I meet many of these dicks but don't condemn everyone in that group. Britain has got dicks, sometimes even in a nice naughty way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shave those sideburns hippy! You look like a girl!

It's a Simpsons reference ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

looking to get one this month, it should come in handy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When are cyclists going to realise they also have to stop at red lights?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess its like everything tho. My problems are when they cycles in groupes 2 or 3 side by side on

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Let's face it. There are dicks everywhere. Car drivers can be dicks as can truck drivers,taxi drivers, white van men and cyclists. As a car driver I meet many of these dicks but don't condemn everyone in that group. Britain has got dicks, sometimes even in a nice naughty way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Do you not have a bell on your cycle to warn pedestrians that you are on the cycle path? There is a bridge near where I live, two lanes in either direction which are narrow, when a cyclist doesn't use the provided cycle lane at busy times it is risky to pass them as the lanes are very narrow making it impossible to give them sufficient space to pass safely without changing lanes, changing lanes at busy times isn't very easy and causes problems for the car users. So the cyclist is causing a two lane road to become a one lane road when there is a safer option provided. Once people are passed the cyclists if they get caught up in traffic lights the cyclist comes up the inside thus repeating the process.

Cyclists always seem to moan about car drivers who do not give them the consideration they desire but don't seem willing to give motorists any consideration either. I ride as well as drive, if I want or need to be somewhere quicker I tend to choose the motorised form of transport.

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By *iceguy25Man
over a year ago

tongbridge

I have been on both sides i am a car driver and a keen cyclist and i have witnessed idiots on both i have been knocked off my bike by people not looking

But just the other day i was walking stopped at a crossing waited for the green man went to cross and almost got knocked down by a cyclist that went through the red light

I think its unfire to say car drivers or cycalists its just idiots in general

Highway code is there for a reason if your on the road FOLLOW THEM lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"When are cyclists going to realise they also have to stop at red lights? "

Same time car drivers do, as I have witnessed so many jump lights. You will have to do better than that!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have been on both sides i am a car driver and a keen cyclist and i have witnessed idiots on both i have been knocked off my bike by people not looking

But just the other day i was walking stopped at a crossing waited for the green man went to cross and almost got knocked down by a cyclist that went through the red light

I think its unfire to say car drivers or cycalists its just idiots in general

Highway code is there for a reason if your on the road FOLLOW THEM lol "

I agree with you on that one.

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By *iceguy25Man
over a year ago

tongbridge

"I have been on both sides i am a car driver and a keen cyclist and i have witnessed idiots on both i have been knocked off my bike by people not looking

But just the other day i was walking stopped at a crossing waited for the green man went to cross and almost got knocked down by a cyclist that went through the red light

I think its unfire to say car drivers or cycalists its just idiots in general

Highway code is there for a reason if your on the road FOLLOW THEM lol

I agree with you on that one."

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I just wish the ones on the school run would park their cars and walk....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Greener vehicles are exempt from tax. Bikes would fall in to that category.

No, thete is no legal obligation to use or even have a bell.

As for the rest of your post, read up about the primary position. And although you talk about mutual respect, it comes across as cyclists should respect cars by getting out of their way

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By *iceguy25Man
over a year ago

tongbridge

"Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Greener vehicles are exempt from tax. Bikes would fall in to that category.

No, thete is no legal obligation to use or even have a bell.

As for the rest of your post, read up about the primary position. And although you talk about mutual respect, it comes across as cyclists should respect cars by getting out of their way

The sole purpose of the road is to get from point A to point B in the safest way possible and the best way to do this is to follow the rules of the road whever you it a car,bike, van or even walking a car has no more priority then i bike and viscera

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By *andyblokeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

tolerance and patience from both side is needed. in 1960 just about everyone rode to work...look at factory pictures from thsoe times. Then came the advent of the cheap auto. people bought cars and completely forgot about walkers and cyclists. there are good drivers /cyclists and bad drivers/cylists on both sides. Tolerance and patience peeps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's a lot of dicks!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Greener vehicles are exempt from tax. Bikes would fall in to that category.

No, thete is no legal obligation to use or even have a bell.

As for the rest of your post, read up about the primary position. And although you talk about mutual respect, it comes across as cyclists should respect cars by getting out of their way

I don't seem to remember stating it was the law to have a bell, maybe that's just common sense. And when certain cyclists would rather block 1 lane of traffic off when there are cycle paths available for their convenience and safety then they're going to get abused and come into close proximity to road users in a motorised vehicle. It seems it's pure bloody mindness from the cyclists, when I cycle I'm more concerned about my safety then whether it is my right to ride in the middle of the road or not.

I give cyclist a wide berth but they really don't help themselves most of the time. If I pass one in traffic and get caught at light my nearside wheels will be in the gutter to prevent them coming up the inside and causing me more problems up the road when the traffic flow restarts. Is that taking the primary position? Oh no slow the cyclist down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

Ohhhhh bad man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable. "

The use of

shows that it was said tongue in cheek, imo. People are allowed a sense of humour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Greener vehicles are exempt from tax. Bikes would fall in to that category.

No, thete is no legal obligation to use or even have a bell.

As for the rest of your post, read up about the primary position. And although you talk about mutual respect, it comes across as cyclists should respect cars by getting out of their way

Like I said in my earlier post read up about the primary position.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable. "

You're correct, I do apologise, - I should have added that a sense of humour was needed!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable.

The use of

shows that it was said tongue in cheek, imo. People are allowed a sense of humour."

Yes but it's not funny.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable.

The use of

shows that it was said tongue in cheek, imo. People are allowed a sense of humour.

Yes but it's not funny. "

*hence the sense of humour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable.

The use of

shows that it was said tongue in cheek, imo. People are allowed a sense of humour.

Yes but it's not funny.

*hence the sense of humour

The problem is that people kill cyclists andceven if prosecuted rarely get custodial and in some cases avoid a ban. I've been hospitalised twice and neither motorist was prosecuted despite witnesses and clear blame. I've had friends killed and crippled. So forgive me for missing the humour in your "hilarious" joke about hitting cyclists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable.

The use of

shows that it was said tongue in cheek, imo. People are allowed a sense of humour.

Yes but it's not funny.

*hence the sense of humour

I've been hospitalised also but it wasn't the fault of the car that my bike - thankfully not me - went under, it was a pedestrian crossing the road.

But it didn't kill my sense of humour, just a few brain cells & my memory for a few days!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Greener vehicles are exempt from tax. Bikes would fall in to that category.

No, thete is no legal obligation to use or even have a bell.

As for the rest of your post, read up about the primary position. And although you talk about mutual respect, it comes across as cyclists should respect cars by getting out of their way

Like I said in my earlier post read up about the primary position.

I have and I adopt a primary position to prevent cyclists from coming along the road on the nearside of my vehicle when driving. I have done for years. I also give cyclists plenty of room when overtaking them, you come across as a militant cyclist, who can do no wrong, expecting everyone to show yourself as a cyclist maximum consideration whilst showing none for other road users.

I suppose you support the ban on HGV vehicles in London. I've never witnessed a cyclist going under the wheels of a lorry turning left but a lot of cyclists seem willing to put themselves in the position of being inside a HGV that is waiting at a junction to turn left.

Are cyclists taking the primary position when they cycle up the inside of stationary traffic??? No they're not and you know it. They're buggering up everyone that has already passed them once on congested roads. They're not worried about car doors opening on them when they're cycling up the inside are they? Which happens to be one of the reasons for taking up the primary position.

My Mum once opened the door on a vw camper when a cyclist was undertaking a stationary row of vehicles, he went right through the window, fortunately for him the window was open. Should she have checked more thoroughly? of course. Should he have been bombing up the inside of a row of stationary cars??? I'd say no.

Personally I'd hate to be involved in any accident that anyone got hurt in, be that another motorist, pedestrian, who ever.

What's the point of spending money on cycle lanes if cyclists refuse to use them? Preceding instead to take the primary position to the detriment of all other road users…

Maybe it's time to campaign for the obligatory use of cycle lanes where provided.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Come down to brighton, there are cycle lanes. Night times they clogged with d*unk kids who step out in front of you, others times it is filled poeple with headphones on or a family with who are trying to keep thier kids in check so a bell is useless.

Besides I have been clocked on a cycle path at above 30mph, I would hate myself for hitting someone at that speed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Come down to brighton, there are cycle lanes. Night times they clogged with d*unk kids who step out in front of you, others times it is filled poeple with headphones on or a family with who are trying to keep thier kids in check so a bell is useless.

Besides I have been clocked on a cycle path at above 30mph, I would hate myself for hitting someone at that speed."

Maybe invite your local councillor down to see the misuse of the cycle lanes.

And slow down 30mph on a cycle lane, you'll be charged with furious cycling if you're not careful.

Painting a white line on a pavement with occasional signs isn't the best method of producing a cycle lane in all honesty.

I think the majority of problems with impatient and inconsiderate motorists are going to be at rush hour. Outer lane drivers won't let left lane drivers filter out around cyclists, compound that with cyclists catching up and undertaking stationary cars at traffic lights to repeat the problem a couple of hundred metres up the road and some people lose their cool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to hear that, I know people who have died in accidents and it is horrific.

On the point of prosecution though, most accidents are what they are, accidents. Unless someone can be proved to be driving in a reckless or dangerous manner than most of them are going to result in a charge of careless driving. Someone is always to blame for an accident. If these people had crashed into other vehicles and not a cyclist, and I'm guessing here, there wouldn't have been anymore than monetary damage? You can't really expect imprisonment for an accident. If your friends or yourself had been in vehicles, the other drivers wouldn't have been expected to go to prison for a careless driving charge.

If it was reckless or dangerous driving then yes one would expect a stiffer penalty. What is a fender bender in between cars can be life threatening when a cyclist is involved. Why should a person be punished more for hitting a cyclist more than another car? People are prosecuted for what they did to cause the accident not the outcome. This has always been the way. You live in London which has a multitude of transport options and you choose to use one of the most dangerous, in one of the most congested places. Maybe it's time to reconsider your options. I take from the fact that you are a professional that you don't choose to cycle for monetary reasons, the health benefits of cycling in London don't seem great.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You live in London which has a multitude of transport options and you choose to use one of the most dangerous, in one of the most congested places. Maybe it's time to reconsider your options. I take from the fact that you are a professional that you don't choose to cycle for monetary reasons, the health benefits of cycling in London don't seem great. "

You make an awful lot of false assumptions there

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Point.

Cycles are on the road by Statutory Right due to the Road Traffic Act of 1888 & the Vienna Convention on Road Access of 1968, to which the UK is a signatory. Therefore under UK law & International Treaty cycles have the RIGHT to use the roads (exemptions such as motorways apply) without being subjected to taxation or licensing, that is what 'right' means in this context.

Even if that were not the case the current system of car taxation would have cycles exempt due to zero-emission status anyway, a status that some 2 million vehicles currently hold on UK roads.

On a side note i was sideswiped by a taxi attempting an inappropriate & dangerous overtake last week. He is currently being investigated for Failure to Stop, by the taxi licensing dept of Man. City Council and by his employers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You make an awful lot of false assumptions there

I just seen from London on under your name, so yes assuming certain things, feel free to correct me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to be (& still am, technically) a professional driver & do you know what? Yeah, I was a bit of a snob!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"lets get things straight first.

I have been cycling on roads since I was in my early teens, so I know how to ride on the roads. So what is the problem with car drivers and cyclist? "

Some car drivers are complete nobs! Surprisingly some cyclists are complete nobs too and to add that you get dickheads that go on the bus, and twats that walk life is full of nut jobs who all have different methods of transport. Some drivers get accused of cutting cyclists up and there is video footage on line but there is also footage of psycho cyclists running red lights and risking life. The way I see it is if we were all perfect we wouldn't need the police but sadly we are not and having the fuzz about goes to confirm that.

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"I guess its like everything tho. My problems are when they cycles in groupes 2 or 3 side by side on"
very much entitled to be in groups of 2 or 3 .

Slow down pass when oncoming traffic is clear . Please do so safely . And remember human life is precious .

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Greener vehicles are exempt from tax. Bikes would fall in to that category.

No, thete is no legal obligation to use or even have a bell.

As for the rest of your post, read up about the primary position. And although you talk about mutual respect, it comes across as cyclists should respect cars by getting out of their way

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you should not try to restrict the cyclist from filtering . It's legal for cyclist and motor cyclist to filter in traffic . It's not up to you to change the law or even police your own laws . Regarding cyclist and cycle lanes , they can be full of pot holes muck and gutters . And of coarse when you do find a well maintain cycle lane . Cars in them . It's not compulsory for a cyclist to use a cycle lane . It is compulsory for you to ensure the cyclists safety as you pass them . Please do not purposely restrict and block cyclists .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Greener vehicles are exempt from tax. Bikes would fall in to that category.

No, thete is no legal obligation to use or even have a bell.

As for the rest of your post, read up about the primary position. And although you talk about mutual respect, it comes across as cyclists should respect cars by getting out of their way

you should not try to restrict the cyclist from filtering . It's legal for cyclist and motor cyclist to filter in traffic . It's not up to you to change the law or even police your own laws . Regarding cyclist and cycle lanes , they can be full of pot holes muck and gutters . And of coarse when you do find a well maintain cycle lane . Cars in them . It's not compulsory for a cyclist to use a cycle lane . It is compulsory for you to ensure the cyclists safety as you pass them . Please do not purposely restrict and block cyclists . "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" It's not up to you to change the law or even police your own laws . Regarding cyclist and cycle lanes , they can be full of pot holes muck and gutters . And of coarse when you do find a well maintain cycle lane . Cars in them . It's not compulsory for a cyclist to use a cycle lane . It is compulsory for you to ensure the cyclists safety as you pass them . Please do not purposely restrict and block cyclists . "

The roads are full of potholes too. I always pass cyclists safely. I will position my vehicle as close to the kerb as possible to avoid having to repass a cyclist 20 metres up the road in rush hour, done it for years and I'm not going to stop now. I'm not doing anything illegal by being close to the kerb. I'm stopped at a red light, the cyclist won't get far if he passes me and stops at the light. Cyclists don't have to do this and that and whatever, I don't have to stop my vehicle dead central in a lane to allow them to repass me.

Anyhow I'm out of here, I'll leave all you cyclists to it in future, when I cycle I'll stay out of the way of motorists and when I'm driving a moving vehicle I will as always give them a wide berth, more of a berth than the vast majority of other drivers do.

Take care

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you can always tell the bell end cyclists if they are in full lance armstrong wear and think they are doing the tour de france and that there is gonna be no traffic on the road ha ha ha ha

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Greener vehicles are exempt from tax. Bikes would fall in to that category.

No, thete is no legal obligation to use or even have a bell.

As for the rest of your post, read up about the primary position. And although you talk about mutual respect, it comes across as cyclists should respect cars by getting out of their way

On the other hand is a cyclist safer behind a driver who don't respect cyclist or in front of them? I ride a sports bike ok its motorised but this filtering crap to get one position in front is a farce it makes seconds difference and gains nothing in reality. "
yeah I ride sports bikes also . Have had many bikes gsx 250 . Tzr 250 . Kr1s . Gpz 550 . Rf600rr cbr900rr . Also drive hgv class 1 . Have care will travel. And currently have a mountain bike , a hybrid Claud butler . And just last week got a giant race bike . I find filtering makes a huge difference . Very effective on my motor cycle. I see all the time when in the truck .

The push bikes are for fitness and health reasons . Lost 3 stone from been back riding . Not sure about the term professional driver . Semi skilled maybe . Professionals are doctors solicitors nurses architects . Cops. barristers . But bikes are for everybody. Everybody is entitled to be safe on the road . A little bit of consideration . Not much to ask for but entitled by law and also the Highway Code specifically yells you to have consideration all road users.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure about professional driver what? Absolute BS!!

Do not pass go & go straight to professional snobs thread!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Take care "

by pulling into the kerb you are offering a very and nice easy way through to your right, being a cyclist and motorcyclist it is a very welcome gap for me to take. Thanks for being considerate enough to give a nice gap to get past you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plenty of room to gain more points by opening the drivers door!!!

Is there a points table on the highway code, anyone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ooooooo rant time !!

Firstly I ride bicycles a lot especially in the summer so I know how dangerous things can get out there but, and this is aimed at a large majority of the cyclists in Cambridge; Cambridge the university town full of the most intelligent people in the country and possibly the world, however put a bicycle between their legs and their brains are instantly removed !!

I drive in Cambridge on a regular basis and some of the things I see amaze me!

Right turns straight in front of you with no warning, no looking and no signalling !

Riding on the wrong side of the road!

Riding straight through red lights!

Riding up the inside of lorries and busses when they are indicating left!

Yes some car drivers are idiots but the cycling world needs a kick up the arse too !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two Wheels.Four Wheels. Honestly, it doesn't matter how many wheels - morons can usually be found on all of them. Stupidity is fairly universal!

I drive a car - I'm also a keen cyclist as well, I ride over 2000 miles a year.

But for me I would welcome it becoming law that ALL cycles must have a working bell (not just sold with one) and that its against the law to ride a cycle without a cycle helmet. Or lights and a high-viz vest when dark. Plus cyclist should also be held accountable for breaking the highway code the same way car drivers are - no more jumping red lights etc.

Similarly, car drivers treating responsible cyclists like target practice should not be tolerated either.

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By *ushandkittyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Slightly off topic, but one of my pet hates are the cyclists who only have a flashing front and rear light, when by law they actually should have solid lights front and back, in place of OR along with the flashing lamps!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Slightly off topic, but one of my pet hates are the cyclists who only have a flashing front and rear light, when by law they actually should have solid lights front and back, in place of OR along with the flashing lamps!!!!!"

I'm sure that law was changed so that flashing lights are accepted, they are many times more visible than solid lights. So much so that there have been attempts made to bring in flashing brake lights on motorised vehicles.

Hence why emergency vehicles have flashing blue lights not solid ones.

Pity it's not the only law to involve cycling to be changed though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If u tax cyclists then whete would it stop.. tax pedestrians..

In my opinion pefestrians are by far the biggest dsnger and the most incknsiderate road user in far larger porportions than any other road user

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Two Wheels.Four Wheels. Honestly, it doesn't matter how many wheels - morons can usually be found on all of them. Stupidity is fairly universal!

I drive a car - I'm also a keen cyclist as well, I ride over 2000 miles a year.

Similarly, car drivers treating responsible cyclists like target practice should not be tolerated either.

I know a cycle cop who works in london and he is thete to fine cyclists who break the rules

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Greener vehicles are exempt from tax. Bikes would fall in to that category.

No, thete is no legal obligation to use or even have a bell.

As for the rest of your post, read up about the primary position. And although you talk about mutual respect, it comes across as cyclists should respect cars by getting out of their way

I love this point of _iew about bad cycle lanes.. cars in them? Really? Vehicles are much heavier and use the middle of the road more by a long way.. so where logically will the most pot holes be?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Besides I have been clocked on a cycle path at above 30mph, I would hate myself for hitting someone at that speed."

Dont go that fast if its busy then.. a bit obv! And the basics of safety i would of thought...

Cats have to slow down if there is alot of pedrdtriand or cyclists.. surely that safety basic should apply to all road users.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the "DO NOT RESTRICT CYCLISTS PASSING" but its perfectly fine to position your car close to the Cerb so long as you don't endanger anyone when you do it ie move into their path, doing it before they arrive us fine.

Cyclists though could do them selves a massive favour filtering on the right if traffic rather than undertaking where they're not really expected.

I always filter on the motorbike on the right so if I can fit you sure as hell can, often see kids on their mopeds doing it the cyclist way though never nice seeing them get fucked by the hgv they didn't notice indicating left.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Greener vehicles are exempt from tax. Bikes would fall in to that category.

No, thete is no legal obligation to use or even have a bell.

As for the rest of your post, read up about the primary position. And although you talk about mutual respect, it comes across as cyclists should respect cars by getting out of their way

I love this point of _iew about bad cycle lanes.. cars in them? Really? Vehicles are much heavier and use the middle of the road more by a long way.. so where logically will the most pot holes be? "

Roads tend to fray at the edges due to weather. Most pot holes are near the edges of roads for that reason, roads are curved so water runs off. This causes the edges to degrade. Also, cycle lanes don't get swept or maintained so degrade quicker.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Plus, many people park in cycle lanes which completely defeats the object of creating them in the first place - if you are one of those drivers who demands cyclists use cycle lanes then don't park in them!

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"On the "DO NOT RESTRICT CYCLISTS PASSING" but its perfectly fine to position your car close to the Cerb so long as you don't endanger anyone when you do it ie move into their path, doing it before they arrive us fine.

Cyclists though could do them selves a massive favour filtering on the right if traffic rather than undertaking where they're not really expected.

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passing a stationary car lorry . Is not under passing . Same as if 2 lanes of traffic travelling at the same speed and the right hand lanes slows the traffic in the left lane moves on faster this also is not under passing. Think the term under passing is being misused .

Now when I pull away from traffic lights and I have very aggressive drivers oncoming and the same under passing me and stranded in the middle of the road . This situation is extremely dangerous . Ok for a motor bike. they have power speed to get away from that situation , a cycle has very limited options . Only place for a cyclist is the left to move of from the lights . Of coarse if a truck is turning left he will have an indicator on and most properly be using both lanes to position for a left turn . If only 1 lane the cyclist and the truck driver must use common sense . I have found most cyclist do stay back when I turn left in the truck . If the don't I always give way to the let them go and Only turn when it is clear to do so .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plus, many people park in cycle lanes which completely defeats the object of creating them in the first place - if you are one of those drivers who demands cyclists use cycle lanes then don't park in them!"

In fact, why not carry on parking on pavements as you do, so that cyclists can't use them either. Or even pedestrians in the worst cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a post INS mother forum from.a hgv driver for motorcyclists.where I made some.pictures showing an artics blind spots its surprising just how easy you can our yourself in them.

And by udbertaking it was just the easiest way to describe it, pass on the right then.when you get to the lights move I to the cycle box.

Passing on the left us just Askig for rouble, yea they should.look but they don't.

And saying "well at least I was right" isn't going to help you in your wheel chair

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Well as it is a tax on vehicles maybe it's time cycles were included in that tax, a cycle is a vehicle after all.

You get good cyclists and bad cyclists in the same way as you get good motorists and bad motorists.

Greener vehicles are exempt from tax. Bikes would fall in to that category.

No, thete is no legal obligation to use or even have a bell.

As for the rest of your post, read up about the primary position. And although you talk about mutual respect, it comes across as cyclists should respect cars by getting out of their way

I love this point of _iew about bad cycle lanes.. cars in them? Really? Vehicles are much heavier and use the middle of the road more by a long way.. so where logically will the most pot holes be? "
not only is the edge of the poorly maintained when they do decide to resurface the cycle lane they don't raise the man hole covers . They can be 2-3 inches lower than the road .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The man hole thing us fucking.annoying, as well as long think potholes that lock your damn.wheel into.them

Somewhere I. Birmingham the council.has. Decided it's good idea to gouge longitudinal (prarrell to traffic direction) lines in.the tarmac on curved sliproads possibly for drainage or maybe wear resistance the result being that it's fucking horrible to ride along as it tries to force the bike into an unnatural corner

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone else like those "cycle only" areas right at the traffic lights, usually 6'-7' deep with a cycle lane leading upto them?

Aren't they great, you can position your cycle where you wish and depart in your own good time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Motorbike counts as a cycle right? :p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" not only is the edge of the poorly maintained when they do decide to resurface the cycle lane they don't raise the man hole covers . They can be 2-3 inches lower than the road . "

Mr Dunlop did a fine job of inventing the pneumatic tyre for just such eventualities. But all of the Bradley Wiggins wanabies want 200psi in their tyres for their daily commute. So everyone else has to pussyfoot around them as they ride unsuitable cycles on busy congested roads at rush hour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Motorbike counts as a cycle right? :p

Not in those "special areas" no.

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Not sure about professional driver what? Absolute BS!!

Do not pass go & go straight to professional snobs thread!!

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hey , you can get a class 1 HGV qualification in an intense 12 hour coarse . Takes a little linger to get a degree to to work in the professions

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over a year ago

" not only is the edge of the poorly maintained when they do decide to resurface the cycle lane they don't raise the man hole covers . They can be 2-3 inches lower than the road .

The grid thing causes problems on a motorcycle with sensible rubber and pressures and a good suspension.set up though let alone cycles

It's a silly thing just like the not using the steam roller to embed the stones saying cars will do it to save coat which results.in bare patches and loose stones.

It's stupid it's trying to penny pinch in a way that just means it needs fixing sooner

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Motorbike counts as a cycle right? :p

Not in those "special areas" no.

Meh my gloves have knuckle dusters theirs are lycra, I'm sure we can.negotiate :p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not sure about professional driver what? Absolute BS!!

Do not pass go & go straight to professional snobs thread!!

hey , you can get a class 1 HGV qualification in an intense 12 hour coarse . Takes a little linger to get a degree to to work in the professions "

Id say a profession was that you had a marketable and licensed skill not just a degree. A mechanic or a blacksmith us a professional an idiot in an.office with a degree in.womens studies is not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not sure about professional driver what? Absolute BS!!

Do not pass go & go straight to professional snobs thread!!

hey , you can get a class 1 HGV qualification in an intense 12 hour coarse . Takes a little linger to get a degree to to work in the professions

Id say a profession was that you had a marketable and licensed skill not just a degree. A mechanic or a blacksmith us a professional an idiot in an.office with a degree in.womens studies is not"

What you on man? Anyone who has graduated in studying women has my utmost respect. Yu think it's easy?

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Not sure about professional driver what? Absolute BS!!

Do not pass go & go straight to professional snobs thread!!

"
hey , you can get a class 1 HGV qualification in an intense 12 hour coarse . Takes a little linger to get a degree to to work in the professions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not sure about professional driver what? Absolute BS!!

Do not pass go & go straight to professional snobs thread!!

hey , you can get a class 1 HGV qualification in an intense 12 hour coarse . Takes a little linger to get a degree to to work in the professions

Id say a profession was that you had a marketable and licensed skill not just a degree. A mechanic or a blacksmith us a professional an idiot in an.office with a degree in.womens studies is not

What you on man? Anyone who has graduated in studying women has my utmost respect. Yu think it's easy?"

Nah womens studies is about learning what women say not what they really mean or do :p

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By *regboy49Man
over a year ago

Sandhurst

Perhaps if cyclists obeyed the rules of the road car drivers would have more respect for them. Not like the prick on his bike riding towards me going the wrong way down a one way street giving me the finger because I didn't get out of his way. Let cyclists pay tax and insurance like other road users.

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Perhaps if cyclists obeyed the rules of the road car drivers would have more respect for them. Not like the prick on his bike riding towards me going the wrong way down a one way street giving me the finger because I didn't get out of his way. Let cyclists pay tax and insurance like other road users."

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had to laugh at the fool who followed his phones sat nav onto the M25, easy mistake to make, not. Training and insurance, he could have caused a mass pileup on one of the nations busiest roads. Looked like he thought the hard shoulder was a cycle lane, crossing slip roads…

A police tweet said, 'even most children know not to go on a motorway'

But of course cyclists can do no wrong…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ? "

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Not sure about professional driver what? Absolute BS!!

Do not pass go & go straight to professional snobs thread!!

hey , you can get a class 1 HGV qualification in an intense 12 hour coarse . Takes a little linger to get a degree to to work in the professions

Id say a profession was that you had a marketable and licensed skill not just a degree. A mechanic or a blacksmith us a professional an idiot in an.office with a degree in.womens studies is not"

A. B. b,e. B1. C. C1. C1e . D1. D1e. F. K. L. N. p. G. H .

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!"

Pritty extreme measures when a little curtesy would plenty . As for the guy on the m25 . Hand cuffs and whip and give him a good tanning . Pmsl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable.

The use of

shows that it was said tongue in cheek, imo. People are allowed a sense of humour.

Yes but it's not funny.

*hence the sense of humour

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over a year ago

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!

Pritty extreme measures when a little curtesy would plenty . As for the guy on the m25 . Hand cuffs and whip and give him a good tanning . Pmsl "

Yes courtesy, both ways. It seems from most of the cyclists _iews that they should receive all the courtesy and give none.

Like in rush hour traffic where they create a rolling road block, you get past them, then held up a lights and the filter through to hold you up again when the traffic flows again. Whereas the highway code says slower moving vehicles should allow faster vehicles to pass. Why don't they stop with the flow of traffic so they're not holding the same people up time after time? Because they have no courtesy to other road users. In light traffic it doesn't make any difference, in heavier traffic they make progress whilst slowing all other road users down.

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!

Pritty extreme measures when a little curtesy would plenty . As for the guy on the m25 . Hand cuffs and whip and give him a good tanning . Pmsl

Yes courtesy, both ways. It seems from most of the cyclists _iews that they should receive all the courtesy and give none.

Look I ride my bike and I get cut up all the time and i know I am at risk some times . But I have every rite to be on the road as anyone . I still think it's the best thing I ever done was to get my bikes . Just love it .

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

Crumpet Castle

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

What was the name of that film with one of the Carradines in it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

now now ladies !

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Perhaps the road was two-way for cyclists? Some are you know.

Read my post above for why cyclists are not required to pay tax or insurance - its called a Right, something you do not have when none of us have when we take a car on the roads

I am always worried about the sheer level of hatred the subject of cycling throws up. If people said these things about any other percieved minority they would quite rightly be pulled up about it. Cyclists are human beings with all the rights (and more) that drivers have. This hatred is bred by idiots like Clarkson & it gets people killed.

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over a year ago

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!

Pritty extreme measures when a little curtesy would plenty . As for the guy on the m25 . Hand cuffs and whip and give him a good tanning . Pmsl

Yes courtesy, both ways. It seems from most of the cyclists _iews that they should receive all the courtesy and give none.

To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most llikely dangerous motorist

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over a year ago

Perhaps the road was two-way for cyclists? Some are you know.

Read my post above for why cyclists are not required to pay tax or insurance - its called a Right, something you do not have when none of us have when we take a car on the roads

Did you see about the van driver in North Wales who got a custodial for driving at a group of cyclists? Shame it's not got more publicity so idiots realise the potential consequences

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Yes, he got six months inside, more pertinent were the judge's remarks in summing up. Given that English (& Welsh) Law is based on precedent his remarks will have weight in any future case. Let me see if i can find his comments.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Here we go :-

bikes.

The judge mentioned recent incidents in which cyclists had been seriously injured or killed and said: “There is a duty on every motorist to respect the safety of cyclists.”

Verbatim from a Crown Court Judge. Think on those who use their vehicles to threaten & intimidate other road users.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps the road was two-way for cyclists? Some are you know.

Read my post above for why cyclists are not required to pay tax or insurance - its called a Right, something you do not have when none of us have when we take a car on the roads

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what you talking about! cyclists being a minority? ffs I i'm sure everyone has cycled a bike at some stage in their lives! so if anyone owns a car they are not a cyclist? or cycles twice a week? what defines a cyclist

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Motorbike counts as a cycle right? :p

Not in those "special areas" no.

Meh my gloves have knuckle dusters theirs are lycra, I'm sure we can.negotiate :p"

You have a number plate that can be traced, we can remain annoymous. Whose costs more to repair lol

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Motorbike counts as a cycle right? :p

Not in those "special areas" no.

Meh my gloves have knuckle dusters theirs are lycra, I'm sure we can.negotiate :p

You have a number plate that can be traced, we can remain annoymous. Whose costs more to repair lol

"
no surrender as they say wer I come from !!!! Lol x

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!

Pritty extreme measures when a little curtesy would plenty . As for the guy on the m25 . Hand cuffs and whip and give him a good tanning . Pmsl

Yes courtesy, both ways. It seems from most of the cyclists _iews that they should receive all the courtesy and give none.

To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most llikely dangerous motorist"

i would agree with that . You do come across as having a very bad attitude for cyclists . Purposely restricting movement and approaches to traffic lights . Althou u did say for the cyclist own safety. Going by the consistency of your posts I would doubt it . You really are coming across as having a very bad attitude .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable.

The use of

shows that it was said tongue in cheek, imo. People are allowed a sense of humour.

Yes but it's not funny.

*hence the sense of humour

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!

Pritty extreme measures when a little curtesy would plenty . As for the guy on the m25 . Hand cuffs and whip and give him a good tanning . Pmsl

Yes courtesy, both ways. It seems from most of the cyclists _iews that they should receive all the courtesy and give none.

The fact that you have past them in traffic then they catch and pass you out . Means that some one else is slowing you down the traffic not the cyclist . It's traffic that you can't pass . Cars trucks busses vans . I pass cyclist all the time in traffic and they catch me up . I'am in a 44ton artic . i can assure you that it's not the cyclist that's holding the traffic up.

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!

Pritty extreme measures when a little curtesy would plenty . As for the guy on the m25 . Hand cuffs and whip and give him a good tanning . Pmsl

Yes courtesy, both ways. It seems from most of the cyclists _iews that they should receive all the courtesy and give none.

Sounds like you want your cake and eat it . It's up to you to show courtesy . It's the law . We are talking about human lives be put at risk please obey the law . It's for everybody's safety . Especially soft target such as pedestrians and cyclists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!

Pritty extreme measures when a little curtesy would plenty . As for the guy on the m25 . Hand cuffs and whip and give him a good tanning . Pmsl

Yes courtesy, both ways. It seems from most of the cyclists _iews that they should receive all the courtesy and give none.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable.

The use of

shows that it was said tongue in cheek, imo. People are allowed a sense of humour.

Yes but it's not funny.

*hence the sense of humour

Funnily enough it wasn't.

Though a hgv driver in london was recently jailed for killing a lady im her 90s that he failed to see on a pedestrian crossing. A few years earlier he had killed a cyclist after failing to see her at traffic lights and escaped prosecution despite subsequently faoling a sight test.

And that sort of reason is why I and many other cyclists get very defensive when people joke about deliberately hitting us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

was he convicted of murder? if not you have no right to say that he deliberately hit those people! it is also cyclists responsibility to make sure they are seen by truck drivers ! if it was an accident i'm sure that man wakes up every morning regretting what happened

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!

Pritty extreme measures when a little curtesy would plenty . As for the guy on the m25 . Hand cuffs and whip and give him a good tanning . Pmsl

Yes courtesy, both ways. It seems from most of the cyclists _iews that they should receive all the courtesy and give none.

To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most llikely dangerous motorist"

To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most likely dangerous cyclist.

I've not hit a cyclist in 25 years of driving. Not even close. I have a clean driving licence. You assume wrong.

Sara quoting laws from 1888 and 1968 when motorised traffic was in the first case non existant and in the second much less than current levels maybe it's time to update these laws. Like we have many other laws.

I'm talking about a very specific situation which I'm not going to go through again because it seem the cyclist don't want to accept that, the highway code states that if you are holding traffic up you should allow them to pass.

If you cannot except that motorist who take the time to pass you safely, as I always do, and then get held up by TRAFFIC LIGHTS only to have cyclist filter past, then have to get held up behind you again waiting to pass you safely again when the traffic lights go green. That shows a lack of consideration for faster vehicles. Which as mentioned, the highway code says you should.

Motorcycles do not even come into the equation as they keep up with the flow of traffic when it moves off. So if I make it hard for a cyclist to pass me when I'm in a stationary que of traffic say 10 Metres from the traffic lights I'm in your opinion the biggest cunt in the world and a dangerous driver, yet when a cyclists squeezes past filtering through and holds motorists up that is fine and dandy and we should just go slowly behind you. You're the one with the shitty attitude pal. I fully understand, although do not condone, why some drivers get aggravated by your actions. I'm beggining to understand why you have been knocked off your cycle so many times… good luck with that.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

You use the term 'cyclists' as a catch-all. Are you responsible for all the actions & illegalities of every other driver on the road? Of course not. I am not responsible for the actions of any cyclist but myself, & to label me otherwise shows a lazy pattern of thinking & even a little bigotry.

Those laws are still relevant today as they offer distinct rights to equestrians/pedestrians/cyclists. Good look getting an act of Parliament & an Internal Treaty changed.

Its quite obvious many drivers don't have any idea or inclination to understand why cyclists use the road - often because of recognised training - instead prefer to revert back to lazy stereotypes and poor thinking.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Those laws are still relevant today as they offer distinct rights to equestrians/pedestrians/cyclists. Good look getting an act of Parliament & an Internal Treaty changed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You use the term 'cyclists' as a catch-all. Are you responsible for all the actions & illegalities of every other driver on the road? Of course not. I am not responsible for the actions of any cyclist but myself, & to label me otherwise shows a lazy pattern of thinking & even a little bigotry.

Those laws are still relevant today as they offer distinct rights to equestrians/pedestrians/cyclists. Good look getting an act of Parliament & an Internal Treaty changed.

No it's not all cyclists, same as it's not all motorists. I live near sustrans route 27 and frequently walk my dog along there, and cycle it. A sign on the entrances states cycles must give way to all other users who are as much within their rights to use it as any cyclists. There is no obligation for dogs to be on lead. The majority of cyclists give warning of their approach and slow down a bit to increase safety, maybe 5 to 10% don't and come barrelling through at full tilt. One has come within inches of knocking over my dog, almost going over his handlebars in the process. It is the few that make it bad for the rest, the same applies to motorists. Would you prefer it if I say some cyclists, I don't know them as anything else but cyclists so its hard to be more specific. As soon as I'm aware of a cyclist approaching I call my dog to my side, sometimes though being a dog, he will just stop in the middle of the pathway. Most cyclists acknowledge that I have made an effort to clear the way for them to pass. If one of the I'm not slowing down cyclists ever runs over my dog he is going to be very aware of my displeasure at his lack of consideration.

You blame lack of understanding on bad training? What training do cyclists undertake? And why should there be no specific road safety training for them? With a recognised certificate of some sort? Things have changed vastly since I was a child, roads are much much busier. Just because it wasn't needed in the past doesn't mean it isn't needed now.

Wheels states we should give cyclists as much room as cars when passing, well in Plymouth that could mean as little as 18 to 24 inches on some roads, I wouldn't go that close personally.

Its going to take a change of some sort to make an improvement, that change is not going to come about without changes in the laws. It seems that some cyclists are happy to hold up the flow of traffic when the highway code says they should do otherwise, so they believe they should not have to slow down or stop for other road users whilst expecting all other road users to do so for them. No one gets to have it their own way all of the time. If you show people courtesy it is mostly returned, there are always exceptions to the rules though.

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over a year ago

dogs also have no consideration for cyclists ! well some dogs ! I don't want to generalise or stereotype ! my experience is mostly black labradors and white and tan jack russels !

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over a year ago

"To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most likely dangerous cyclist.

Which post of mine gives you that impression?

I don't recall discussing my riding on this thread....

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over a year ago

"To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most likely dangerous cyclist.

Which post of mine gives you that impression?

I don't recall discussing my riding on this thread....

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over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable.

The use of

shows that it was said tongue in cheek, imo. People are allowed a sense of humour.

Yes but it's not funny.

*hence the sense of humour

Funnily enough it wasn't.

And that sort of reason is why I and many other cyclists get very defensive when people joke about deliberately whathitting us."
what charge was this driver charged on? you say deliberately hitting us?

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!

Pritty extreme measures when a little curtesy would plenty . As for the guy on the m25 . Hand cuffs and whip and give him a good tanning . Pmsl

Yes courtesy, both ways. It seems from most of the cyclists _iews that they should receive all the courtesy and give none.

To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most llikely dangerous motorist

To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most likely dangerous cyclist.

I've not hit a cyclist in 25 years of driving. Not even close. I have a clean driving licence. You assume wrong.

For a comparison let's take horse riders, when I approach a horse rider I slow to a speed where I will crawl past them with absolute minimum engine revs. They are aware of a vehicle approaching and in all cases that I've encountered, allow you to pass, 99% of the acknowledging the fact that you have passed them in a safe and courteous manner. Cyclists don't. I'll carry on driving the way I do, and you carry on riding the way you do, I'll bet you anything you like that you get knocked off your cycle before I knock anyone off their cycle. Just remember the highway code, move over to allow other faster vehicles to pass safely... Its in black and white, you choose to ignore that one though don't you. Ignorance at its finest."
if your being slowed so much by a cyclist . I would have to question your driver craft and skill I make my living driving Hgvs I don't get held up as much as you do , it seems . And I properly reverse more every day than you drive in a week . Maybe you should consider giving up driving on the roads as you don't seem accept that other road users need to use the highway . And your skill as a driver seems be under question also . It take maybe 1 or 2 seconds to pass a single cyclist . If I lose 1 or 2 minutes a whole day from being held up by a cyclist would the hight of it . And I cover a lot more miles than you . Would you consider a retest or even an advance drivers test ? A cycle awareness coarse ? Your attitude really does stink . You really do need to catch yourself on .

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over a year ago

"To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most likely dangerous cyclist.

Which post of mine gives you that impression?

I don't recall discussing my riding on this thread...."

Your talking about the primary position indicates a certain riding style.

Yet you class me as a dangerous driver when throughout this thread I have always said that when passing cyclists I give them as much room as possible and do not pass in an unsafe manner whilst only choosing to take my own primary position whilst stationary. We can all make assumptions. You have with my driving so I have with your riding and your liking of the primary position, of which there is no mention in the highway code that I can find. Although I can find in the highway code a bit about allowing faster vehicles to pass, something that taking the primary position is obviously being done to prevent this happening.

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over a year ago

"Motorbike counts as a cycle right? :p

Not in those "special areas" no.

Meh my gloves have knuckle dusters theirs are lycra, I'm sure we can.negotiate :p

You have a number plate that can be traced, we can remain annoymous. Whose costs more to repair lol

That's what flip plates are for :p

Also doubt you'd be able to catch up to punch back.

But on the subjects of costs I think.cyclists on.the road should require insurance just think how much damage they can do and just cycle off with no traceability or accountability

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over a year ago

"You're the one with the shitty attitude pal. I fully understand, although do not condone, why some drivers get aggravated by your actions. I'm beggining to understand why you have been knocked off your cycle so many times… good luck with that.

So many times? Twice...

And yet again you make as many assumptions as you did earlier in the thread. For the record one drove it to me from behind when I was stationary and the other pulled out of a side street. In both cases the motorist was solely responsible.

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over a year ago

So many times? Twice...

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the Motorist ? same guy both times? sounds to me more like a personal grudge more than careless driving ! be careful mate he sounds dangerous

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over a year ago

"lets get things straight first.

I have been cycling on roads since I was in my early teens, so I know how to ride on the roads. So what is the problem with car drivers and cyclist? "

It not that he a car driver it just that he a total cunt. There are a lot of people like it.

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over a year ago

"To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most likely dangerous cyclist.

Which post of mine gives you that impression?

I don't recall discussing my riding on this thread....

Your talking about the primary position indicates a certain riding style.

So your basis for my riding style is based on my use of the primary position something that even the institure of advanced motorists recommend cyclists adopt.

You really don't know what the primary position is do you?

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Primary and secondary positions are taught by Bikeability, by Cyclecraft and even by the cycling course run by the Institute of Advanced Drivers.

Primary position is the centre of the lane, it is taught that you take this position at junctions, around corners and on narrow roads. This is to prevent inappropriate & dangerous overtakes and is taught for safety by nationally recognised instructing bodies.

Secondary position is defined as 1/3rd of the way into the lane or roughly where the inside wheels of vehicles travel. Again, this is done to force motorists to overtake properly as per the Highway Code & & to prevent them from simply pushing past without changing lane.

These are taught safety skills that aim to keep you alive, they keep you in the drivers eyeline & ensure the driver acts correctly. If you think this is acting provocatively you need to look at your own responses. The reason the first position is called the Primary is to get away from the idea that cyclists should hug the gutter, that is the most dangerous position as it encourages drivers to push past too close.

If you think preventing cyclists from legally filtering up to the front at red lights is acceptable behaviour, think about this - why do many junctions have advanced stop lines & feeder lanes for cyclists?

Because most collisions happen around junctions & highways engineers are attempting to allow cyclists to clear the junction safely - deliberately blocking them in is both illegal and endangering them, well done.

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over a year ago

"How many points do you get for hitting a cyclist these days, anyway?

it's been a while.........

The use of

does not make that post and more acceptable.

The use of

shows that it was said tongue in cheek, imo. People are allowed a sense of humour.

Yes but it's not funny.

*hence the sense of humour

Funnily enough it wasn't.

And that sort of reason is why I and many other cyclists get very defensive when people joke about deliberately whathitting us. what charge was this driver charged on? you say deliberately hitting us?"

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over a year ago

Being back hanging for cyclists ?????

How much would you charge ?

Maybe shooting be more humain ?

Frontal lobotomy, actually I don't think it's necessary… see last post!

Pritty extreme measures when a little curtesy would plenty . As for the guy on the m25 . Hand cuffs and whip and give him a good tanning . Pmsl

Yes courtesy, both ways. It seems from most of the cyclists _iews that they should receive all the courtesy and give none.

To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most llikely dangerous motorist

To be blunt all your posts on this thread do is make me think you are a selfish, inconsiderate and most likely dangerous cyclist.

I've not hit a cyclist in 25 years of driving. Not even close. I have a clean driving licence. You assume wrong.

For a comparison let's take horse riders, when I approach a horse rider I slow to a speed where I will crawl past them with absolute minimum engine revs. They are aware of a vehicle approaching and in all cases that I've encountered, allow you to pass, 99% of the acknowledging the fact that you have passed them in a safe and courteous manner. Cyclists don't. I'll carry on driving the way I do, and you carry on riding the way you do, I'll bet you anything you like that you get knocked off your cycle before I knock anyone off their cycle. Just remember the highway code, move over to allow other faster vehicles to pass safely... Its in black and white, you choose to ignore that one though don't you. Ignorance at its finest.if your being slowed so much by a cyclist . I would have to question your driver craft and skill I make my living driving Hgvs I don't get held up as much as you do , it seems . And I properly reverse more every day than you drive in a week . Maybe you should consider giving up driving on the roads as you don't seem accept that other road users need to use the highway . And your skill as a driver seems be under question also . It take maybe 1 or 2 seconds to pass a single cyclist . If I lose 1 or 2 minutes a whole day from being held up by a cyclist would the hight of it . And I cover a lot more miles than you . Would you consider a retest or even an advance drivers test ? A cycle awareness coarse ? Your attitude really does stink . You really do need to catch yourself on . "

Yeah yeah yeah…

Read what I have written, I am talking about rush hour two lane traffic as I have stated many times. When two lanes are full it takes a while to safely overtake a cyclist, if cars in the second lane will not allow drivers in the left lane to pull out to pass the cyclist, the whole left lane then slows to the speed of the cyclist. Who then according to the highway code should allow faster vehicles to pass, but doesn't. You reverse more than I drive, get over yourself you idiot. I cycle to. But choose to use cycle lanes when they are available to increase my safety and avoid creating more problems for motorists at busy times. Just because you drive for a living doesn't make you a better driver, piss poor wages in general why? Because anyone who can drive can do it. When I ride a cycle I do so in a manner that reduces my chances of coming into contact with other motorists, so I do not have to worry about the idiot who will not pass me safely, as much as is possible. Some cyclists want to pedal down the middle of a lane holding other vehicles up. A certain percentage of cyclists seem to want to antagonise all motorists, in doing so they increase their chances of coming into contact with an irate driver. I am neither. But if that is what a cyclist decides to do, in my opinion that cyclist is increasing their chances of an accident.

On empty roads it is not a problem and cyclists can be manoeuvred around in seconds, on a busy congested road it is not so easy. If cyclists do not realise that and try to ride accordingly bigger fools them, because for every stupid cyclist there is an equally stupid motorist.

Not one cyclist posting on this thread has acknowledged the fact that the highway code states that slower vehicles should allow faster vehicles to pass. In fact some declare that they should ride to prevent it.

Two points,

1. As a driver I could think of nothing worse than knocking a cyclist down, or a pedestrian or horse rider and give them my utmost consideration when passing.

2. If you get knocked off your cycle, I don't feel a thing, physically. If I witnessed it I'd feel something emotionally but if someone on the internet says I got knocked over it really doesn't effect me much more than thinking aww that's sad.

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over a year ago

"Primary and secondary positions are taught by Bikeability, by Cyclecraft and even by the cycling course run by the Institute of Advanced Drivers.

Still can't find it in the highway code though…

Also doesn't say I cannot position my vehicle to the left of a lane when stationary waiting at lights.

How many times have I been sat a junction indicating left for a cyclist to come up the inside to go straight on, thus preventing me from moving until he has meandered through the junction? Why could the cyclist not stop just behind me you know that whole 3 meters and wait for me to clear the junction?

Personally I find that a lack of consideration from the cyclist.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Please read this link :-

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/insightzone/techniques/balance_and_coordination/article/izn20130830-Effective-traffic-riding-part-1-0

This is from British Cycling explaining what Primary / Secondary positions are and why the old Cycling Proficiency idea of 'keeping left' that you seem obsessed about is no longer appropriate. It may help you understand what has changed and why the teachings now differ.

A cyclist may have very different responses to different junctions. At one he may decide that waiting in the Primary position in the traffic queue is the safest option, at others - with an ASL for example - he may decide that the safest & easiest way to clear the junction quickly & effectively will be to filter to the front.

Both approaches are safe. Both approaches are legal, & both approaches are the correct choice for that junction and/or cyclist.

The Highway Code is deficient and outdated in certain areas, one of which is cycling safety provision which is why British Cycling et.al have produced new guidelines for urban cycling.

Please take the time to read & understand the link.

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over a year ago

"Please read this link :-

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/insightzone/techniques/balance_and_coordination/article/izn20130830-Effective-traffic-riding-part-1-0

Both approaches are safe. Both approaches are legal, & both approaches are the correct choice for that junction and/or cyclist.

The Highway Code is deficient and outdated in certain areas, one of which is cycling safety provision which is why British Cycling et.al have produced new guidelines for urban cycling.

Please take the time to read & understand the link."

I haven't read that, I might later.

However, the britshcycling org doesn't make the rules of the road do they? Why does the cyclist have the right to decide that what is best for them, should be the way. It may be quicker for them to go right to the front of the queue, at busy times this is often to the detriment of other road users, it is a shared space.

How many drivers are aware that that organisation is telling the cyclists to do that? You can't just say the highway code is out of date and do something else, well you can but the majority of other road users are not going to have a clue what you're doing.

If I was to overtake you, in a safe manner, then slow down to half of the speed you can travel at, and then alter the position of my vehicle to prevent you passing safely are you going to appreciate that? Or are you going to think I'm a dickhead? As far as I'm aware there is no law that states I cannot do that, but if I did do that then you would probably think I was an idiot, rightly so. A certain percentage of cyclists would react to that like a nutcase and start banging the vehicle or remonstrating to the driver who had done it. So when you reverse that situation a certain percentage of drivers are going to do that to cyclists, sometimes with horrific consequences. An irate driver may try and force their way past aggressively leaving a far to small a gap in that situation. As a group of vulnerable road users it's probably not a great idea to make your own set of rules that the other road users are not aware of because they are using the official one which is the highway code, because you don't like or agree with it.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

No, i would simply ride around your car to the front of the queue should i feel the need to do so.

The Highway Code is not law - unless backed by Statute & printed in bold with the words MUST/MUST NOT - it is merely best practice in most cases although it is recognised that it is outdated in some areas.

I rarely meet any driver who feels the need to prevent a cyclist from making progress, what you claim to do is simply being an irritant for the sake of it, it does not prevent a cyclist from moving up, it increases the likelyhood of confrontation, it increases the risk towards the cyclist & it is possibly illegal.

A cyclist legally filtering to the front of the queue does not affect your journey in any meaningful sense, it is only your own sense of outrage (read self-importance) that allows you to rationalise your decision to move towards the kerb and attempt to block the cyclist's progress.

It merely makes you look rather petty for doing so.

Should a driver attempt that with me i will laugh at him/her and ride round to the front and carry on with my day.

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over a year ago

Primary /control (for motorcyclists) position.is very important, but it shouldn't be abused if I'm goodf slow looking for a turning I move over for cars

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over a year ago

"No, i would simply ride around your car to the front of the queue should i feel the need to do so.

It merely makes you look rather petty for doing so.

Should a driver attempt that with me i will laugh at him/her and ride round to the front and carry on with my day."

And allowing motorists to progress past you wouldn't effect your journey in any meaningful sense either. By taking the primary position in a lot of cases is preventing motorists progressing.

So by your reasoning when a cyclist is slowing me down I should attempt to pass by any means because you are preventing me from progressing. If you can do why shouldn't I? Cyclists don't seem to mind squeezing through small gaps when it suits them.

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over a year ago

"Primary /control (for motorcyclists) position.is very important, but it shouldn't be abused if I'm goodf slow looking for a turning I move over for cars"

Motorcycles very rarely filter and pass cars then slow them down. I seems you use common sense and allow others to pass when you might be slowing them down, something some cyclists feel they shouldn't have to do.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"No, i would simply ride around your car to the front of the queue should i feel the need to do so.

It merely makes you look rather petty for doing so.

Should a driver attempt that with me i will laugh at him/her and ride round to the front and carry on with my day.

And allowing motorists to progress past you wouldn't effect your journey in any meaningful sense either. By taking the primary position in a lot of cases is preventing motorists progressing.

Because Primary is A SAFETY POSITION. I don't know how much clearer this can be made, if a cyclist takes Primary they are doing it for a very good reason - their safety. If you can't pass in the other lane then you DO NOT PASS. Primary is taken around certain road features & then you revert back to Secondary which is 1/3rd of the lane, NOT in the gutter. These are quite simple concepts, it is not personal it is safety.

Don't be silly, a cyclist taking Primary is not the same thing as a driver deliberately blocking a cyclist from LEGALLY & CORRECTLY making progress by stopping alongside the kerb. You do not have right of way over a vehicle moving in front of you, you may only overtake when it is safe to do so. If the cyclist is taking Primary then it is not safe to do so.

Spin it as you like, by overtaking then deliberately blocking a cyclist you are being petty, ignorant and dangerous.

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Motorbike counts as a cycle right? :p

Not in those "special areas" no.

Meh my gloves have knuckle dusters theirs are lycra, I'm sure we can.negotiate :p

You have a number plate that can be traced, we can remain annoymous. Whose costs more to repair lol

That's what flip plates are for :p

Also doubt you'd be able to catch up to punch back.

But on the subjects of costs I think.cyclists on.the road should require insurance just think how much damage they can do and just cycle off with no traceability or accountability"

How much damage can a car do to a cyclist if if you knock them off . Or hit them full on ? Bit of. Scratch or a dent in your bumper don't compare to life and limb . Who is driving the lethal weapon ? Wake up smell the coffee !!!

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Primary /control (for motorcyclists) position.is very important, but it shouldn't be abused if I'm goodf slow looking for a turning I move over for cars

Why you being slowed so much by cyclist ? I past 4 on the way to work in my car at 5pm and a a further 4 on the way through Leeds in my truck and never lost any time . Traffic was quit heavy . Had no problems at all . Easy as pie . Why you having so much problems passing cycles ? If I can do it in a truck 44 ton 45 foot trailer why you having so many problems ?

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Primary and secondary positions are taught by Bikeability, by Cyclecraft and even by the cycling course run by the Institute of Advanced Drivers.

Still can't find it in the highway code though…

Also doesn't say I cannot position my vehicle to the left of a lane when stationary waiting at lights.

Personally I find that a lack of consideration from the cyclist.

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why can't you wait 2 seconds more and let the cyclist clear the junction ?

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By *allyianCouple
over a year ago

ipswich

"Not sure about professional driver what? Absolute BS!!

Do not pass go & go straight to professional snobs thread!!

hey , you can get a class 1 HGV qualification in an intense 12 hour coarse . Takes a little linger to get a degree to to work in the professions

Id say a profession was that you had a marketable and licensed skill not just a degree. A mechanic or a blacksmith us a professional an idiot in an.office with a degree in.womens studies is not

A. B. b,e. B1. C. C1. C1e . D1. D1e. F. K. L. N. p. G. H .

Hgv class 1 for 22 years currently 3 Motor bikes and 3 push bikes and a car . Extensive experience continental uk and Ireland . I would never ever consider myself a professional drive . Semi skilled labourer . Yes . My daughter is a solicitor , no way would I ever equal my driving licence to her qualifications . "
you say you have been a hgv class 1 for 22 years but from the list of driving catagory's you posted CE(Class 1 )is not showen

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over a year ago

"Primary and secondary positions are taught by Bikeability, by Cyclecraft and even by the cycling course run by the Institute of Advanced Drivers.

Still can't find it in the highway code though…

Also doesn't say I cannot position my vehicle to the left of a lane when stationary waiting at lights.

Personally I find that a lack of consideration from the cyclist.

why can't you wait 2 seconds more and let the cyclist clear the junction ? "

Why can't the cyclist wait 1 second and let the motorist clear the junction?

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Primary and secondary positions are taught by Bikeability, by Cyclecraft and even by the cycling course run by the Institute of Advanced Drivers.

Still can't find it in the highway code though…

Also doesn't say I cannot position my vehicle to the left of a lane when stationary waiting at lights.

Personally I find that a lack of consideration from the cyclist.

why can't you wait 2 seconds more and let the cyclist clear the junction ?

Why can't the cyclist wait 1 second and let the motorist clear the junction?"
answer a question with a question . Because that's the way it is . They call it cycling and motoring . Just every day events that we all take in in out stride . Safe for the cyclist to do that rather than you cutting them up . Thats why at a lot of junctions you get that space for cycles after the stop line . Huge letters cycles only . Not there for decoration . For good reasons . SAFTY !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple question for you Abi.

You pull upto the queue waiting at a red light, near the kerb as you say.

I, as a cyclist in motion, start to pass you on the right.

The lights then change to green, given that you are stationary would you then pull away before i have passed you or wait until i had completely overtaken you?

Similarly, would you move off from a stationary position whenever a car is passing you?

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"Not sure about professional driver what? Absolute BS!!

Do not pass go & go straight to professional snobs thread!!

hey , you can get a class 1 HGV qualification in an intense 12 hour coarse . Takes a little linger to get a degree to to work in the professions

Id say a profession was that you had a marketable and licensed skill not just a degree. A mechanic or a blacksmith us a professional an idiot in an.office with a degree in.womens studies is not

A. B. b,e. B1. C. C1. C1e . D1. D1e. F. K. L. N. p. G. H .

Hgv class 1 for 22 years currently 3 Motor bikes and 3 push bikes and a car . Extensive experience continental uk and Ireland . I would never ever consider myself a professional drive . Semi skilled labourer . Yes . My daughter is a solicitor , no way would I ever equal my driving licence to her qualifications . you say you have been a hgv class 1 for 22 years but from the list of driving catagory's you posted CE(Class 1 )is not showen "
look again . C . C1. C1e . That is all the c classes you can get . C = artic . C1 17 ton ridged . C1e = ridged and drag . It's all there . Hope you can see cyclists ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

Crumpet Castle

Simple question for you Abi.

You pull upto the queue waiting at a red light, near the kerb as you say.

I, as a cyclist in motion, start to pass you on the right.

The lights then change to green, given that you are stationary would you then pull away before i have passed you or wait until i had completely overtaken you?

Similarly, would you move off from a stationary position whenever a car is passing you?

Annie Leed University your starter for ten ......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a driver and lgv licence holder for many years.

I can see all points....but never ceases to amaze me how 99.9% cyclists put so much faith in 2-4 flashing red LED bulbs just below their botts. Then think 'im ok ive got lights'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

E is for the trailer.different weight classes.C+E no restrictions.....

How many cyclists have taken a test to be on the highway.

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"E is for the trailer.different weight classes.C+E no restrictions.....

How many cyclists have taken a test to be on the highway.

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yeah on the old licence but the new ones are different . They changed it . Think c1e is the same as c+e .

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

Well not long till I get finished this shift and off the weekend . Starting from our yard into Leeds about 10 hairy arsed truckers and 1 very sexy lady. getting the train to skipton then ride our bycles back to Leeds . All in preparation for a charity ride in may .

Hope I don't meet any cyclephobes .

I wounded do many cyclesphobes do charity car drives ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When are cyclists going to realise they also have to stop at red lights?

Same time car drivers do, as I have witnessed so many jump lights. You will have to do better than that!!!

Cyclists jumping red lights is the rule. With cars; the exception.

A cycle is a road vehicle unless it is being PUSHED accross a pedestrian crossing. Do not ride accross a pedestrian crossing and expect traffic to stop. If you get run down when riding on a pedestrian crossing you will be responsible for the accident. (I feel better now

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"As a driver and lgv licence holder for many years.

I can see all points....but never ceases to amaze me how 99.9% cyclists put so much faith in 2-4 flashing red LED bulbs just below their botts. Then think 'im ok ive got lights'

All lights sold for use in the UK have to be a certain standard - but you wouldn't think it given the state of some of them!

I use 3 seperate powerful rear lights, one on the bike, one on my back & one on my helmet. Last month i had a driver stop alongside me at the lights and complain they were too bright - you can't win.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"When are cyclists going to realise they also have to stop at red lights?

Same time car drivers do, as I have witnessed so many jump lights. You will have to do better than that!!!

Cyclists jumping red lights is the rule. With cars; the exception.

The Times Newspaper did s survey, studied six separate junctions in three cities, London/Birmingham/Manchester.

The worst offenders were in Manchester with the worst junction having 10% of cyclists jumping the red stop light.

The Insurance Group Allianz did a survey & asked their policy holders how many of them had jumped two or more red lights in the previous month. Of those that replied 12% ADMITTED running red lights two or more times in the last month - and that is those who admitted to doing so.

Whilst anecdote is not evidence, i see motorists (including police drivers sadly) running red lights at every junction on my daily commute. Certainly around here a red light means you have another 3 seconds before you need to consider stopping. The number of drivers exceeds the number of cyclists running reds round here.

I personally despise ALL red light runners, but i wonder who is the greatest threat?

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"E is for the trailer.different weight classes.C+E no restrictions.....

How many cyclists have taken a test to be on the highway.

Read my post above. Cyclists (along with equestrians & pedestrians) use the roads by Statutory Right, they are not required to take a test or be licensed to use the roads - that is what a right means in this context. Motorists do not use the road by Statutory Right, they are required to be tested & licensed & that license can be rescinded at any time, a Right cannot be rescinded and would require an Act or Parliament to remove.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"E is for the trailer.different weight classes.C+E no restrictions.....

How many cyclists have taken a test to be on the highway.

Over 80% of adult cyclists hold a driving license by the way.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

I have been cycling on roads since I was in my early teens, so I know how to ride on the roads. So what is the problem with car drivers and cyclist? "

Generally the problem is people like you (regardless of their chosen mode of transport) using 'them and us' type terminology... it hinders the building of mutual respect.

Some people are cunts.... how they choose to get from A to B is irrelevant.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

I have been cycling on roads since I was in my early teens, so I know how to ride on the roads. So what is the problem with car drivers and cyclist?

Generally the problem is people like you (regardless of their chosen mode of transport) using 'them and us' type terminology... it hinders the building of mutual respect.

Some people are cunts.... how they choose to get from A to B is irrelevant."

..and there is the truth of it.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

I would have thought the title of the post should be "what is it with Pedestrians?" as it was them who were blocking the cycle path.

Like someone had already said on here, there are bad car drivers, and there are bad cyclists.

And then there are twats.

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By *allyianCouple
over a year ago

ipswich

C1e is for vehicle's between 3.5t-7.5t towing a trailer of less then 750kg. C is vehicles over 3.5t with more then 2 axles with a trailer of less then 750kg MAM. CE is for vehicles over 3.5t with trailer over 750kg MAM (covers all articulated/draw bar combinations)

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

I dont cycle anymore or ride s motorbike. But when I did I took the _iew that if I was involved in an incident with a car , I would be much worse off than the car driver. So I stayed as far away from them as poss. And tried to anticipate what the cars were going to do. I never was hit in over 30 years. Imho its up to cyclists to stay out of the way and be observant. Its your life afterall .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When are cyclists going to realise they also have to stop at red lights? "

the o p is about bad car drivers not bad cyclists.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"I dont cycle anymore or ride s motorbike. But when I did I took the _iew that if I was involved in an incident with a car , I would be much worse off than the car driver. So I stayed as far away from them as poss. And tried to anticipate what the cars were going to do. I never was hit in over 30 years. Imho its up to cyclists to stay out of the way and be observant. Its your life afterall . "

Its up to everyone to look out for others, we all have a duty of care - a legal duty - to do just that.

No one has priority, no one has to 'stay out of the way' would you say cars should stay out of the way of trucks for example?

Its a dangerous & erroneous analogy and quite wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its up to everyone to look out for others, we all have a duty of care - a legal duty - to do just that.

No one has priority, no one has to 'stay out of the way' would you say cars should stay out of the way of trucks for example?

Its a dangerous & erroneous analogy and quite wrong."

I give trucks as wide a berth as I can, I'm sure most motorway drivers have had the truck that signals and manoeuvres at the same time. I've left a few black lines on the middle lanes of motorways over the years when the 3rd lane is busy and a truck has just pulled out. In a perfect world it wouldn't happen but it does happen because people make mistakes.

To say you shouldn't be as careful as possible with your own safety because others should be looking out for you is rather a strange way of looking at it. The roads are quite forgiving the majority of the time, drivers make mistakes everyday, the majority of those mistakes do not result in accidents, some do.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Nowhere did i say anyone should be cavalier with their safety and I'll thank you for not putting words in my mouth.

Road safety is the responsibility of ALL users, saying cyclists should stay out of the way or its their own fault implies other road users have no duty of care & that is a stupidly dangerous statement to make.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

And that's another thing, the word accident does not imply a lack of fault, it merely implies a lack of intent. There is always someone at fault which is why the term Road Traffic Collision is used, not accident.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nowhere did i say anyone should be cavalier with their safety and I'll thank you for not putting words in my mouth.

They've regularly put words in my mouth during this thread too.

As he's admitted on another thread to deliberate trolling I think I'm done with this thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And that's another thing, the word accident does not imply a lack of fault, it merely implies a lack of intent. There is always someone at fault which is why the term Road Traffic Collision is used, not accident.

As I've said previously in this thread, accidents are not blameless, but you only choose to see things from a very narrow _iewpoint.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one has priority, no one has to 'stay out of the way' "

So why then, when I'm sat at traffic lights indicating left do cyclists ride up the nearside of my vehicle intending to go straight on? If I was to pull away and turn left it would impossible to do so without being dangerous. In my eyes the cyclist has prioritised their progress over mine. I have to wait for him to clear the junction before I can proceed.

You go on about a form of riding recommended by cycling groups which is nowhere to be found in the highway code, which are the government approved guidelines, some of which are law, some aren't.

But the highway code is out of date you say, whilst then quoting laws which are from 1888 and 1967… okay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nowhere did i say anyone should be cavalier with their safety and I'll thank you for not putting words in my mouth.

They've regularly put words in my mouth during this thread too.

As he's admitted on another thread to deliberate trolling I think I'm done with this thread"

Haha wondered how long it would take you to roll that one out

I said I trolled threads where a person was saying tgirls should not go out in public, or that transgendered people shouldn't be able to change their birth certificates. Bye then

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By *nnie17gezzTV/TS
over a year ago

leeds

"C1e is for vehicle's between 3.5t-7.5t towing a trailer of less then 750kg. C is vehicles over 3.5t with more then 2 axles with a trailer of less then 750kg MAM. CE is for vehicles over 3.5t with trailer over 750kg MAM (covers all articulated/draw bar combinations) "
it seems you think am telling lies . Immm you trying get one over . Yes your right I have missed a cat . CE . Thank god for that . Hey Hun . Just so you know I have only driven hgv 1 . You more than welcome to come to work with me any time .

Only work nights tho .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It is mentioned in the highway code that when passing a cyclist on the road, you must give a gap of 3 foot. Dont ask me the exact law I am not an anorak.

I am not whiter than white far from it, I just don't expect the aggression directed at me when cycling on the roads from other road users. Yet people seem to think you are a cyclist you are a third rate person.

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By *ivilizedkinkCouple
over a year ago

harrow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Top Gear must have gone down like a lead balloon this week with some posters.

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By *irimusMan
over a year ago

Burnley

I maintain that the rules of the road should not apply to cyclists. A cyclist is barely a step up from a pedestrian. Cars need rules because they can kill people; cyclists don't. Cyclists should be allowed to run as many red lights as they want, if they are willing to take their own lives in their hands and run the gauntlet with cars.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"It is mentioned in the highway code that when passing a cyclist on the road, you must give a gap of 3 foot."

Not true

Rule 163 give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

to answer the original OP's question which was, "So what is the problem with car drivers and cyclists?", instead of adding to the 170 odd rants, they are so busy squabbling about who is most important that they both ignore that pedestrians have priority in all cases. no pedestrian has ever killed a cyclist or a motorist. in 2012 253 pedestrians were killed by cars and 4,426 were seriously injured ..... 1 pedestrian was killed by a cyclist and 78 were seriously injured. apparently, statistics show that proportionally cyclists are almost as dangerous to pedestrians as motorists. let's try and be safe when we take to the streets regardless of our mode of transport and have respect for the people around us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is mentioned in the highway code that when passing a cyclist on the road, you must give a gap of 3 foot.

Not true

Rule 163 give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car"

That is quite ambiguous though isn't it, passing a car could be as close if not closer than 3 foot on some roads, I'd prefer to be in the other lane completely which would be a lot further from the cyclist than another car. Top Gear quoted 1.85 meters earlier which is about 6 foot, although I have no idea where they came across that figure. The bus drivers in London didn't seem to care much. Although clarkson nearly collided with a pedestrian getting off a bus by filtering to the left of a bus whilst it stopped at a bus stop.

To the poster above, cyclists have killed pedestrians in the past. 1 got charged with furious cycling. The one I am thinking of was travelling on the pavement.

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By *atelotmanMan
over a year ago

Chatham

I hate bike riders who use the pavement instead of road or cycle lanes. Even more today.I took my grandsons aged 4,7 an 11 out today when some half baked c*^t of his bike came tearing down the pavement right at them. The two older managed jump out the way but little one got hit, lucky he didn't fall into the road but now has cuts and a black eye.The bike rider didn't even stop,sorry thats wrong ,he did stop when I knocked off his bike on to his arse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Top Gear covered the cyclist motorist debate tonight.

I'm with Clarkson Lycraman drives me nuts!!

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