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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

There's an article today on the issue of more expensive holidays in term time. Petitions have been raised with well over 100,000 signatures.

Amongst many suggestions, a mother of four states that the Government should either cap prices so that all weeks are the same price, or remove the APT Duty ( ie tax, thanks Gordon twat Brown) on school holiday weeks only.

Do they not get enough subsidies through Child Benefit, Working tax Credits and free Nursery places such that the remainder of us have to pay even more to subsidise them?

If you can't afford them, why have so many?

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent


"

There's an article today on the issue of more expensive holidays in term time. Petitions have been raised with well over 100,000 signatures.

Amongst many suggestions, a mother of four states that the Government should either cap prices so that all weeks are the same price, or remove the APT Duty ( ie tax, thanks Gordon twat Brown) on school holiday weeks only.

Do they not get enough subsidies through Child Benefit, Working tax Credits and free Nursery places such that the remainder of us have to pay even more to subsidise them?

If you can't afford them, why have so many?

"

Not all families with kids get working tax credit and free nursery places.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not that some can't afford them. The point is that they're being penalised for being a Parent in Holiday times

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

never read more than the title but I will answer a very firm YES, they bloody are

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

And not everyone that goes on holiday in school holidays is a money scrounging parent on benefits.

The teachers etc all get stung for the ridiculous price hikes in those few weeks too!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Yes but I think you are missing the point of the article.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I don't think any of the allowances parents get for their children have ever been calculated to include the massive and completely ridiculous additional cost of holidays during school holidays.

It's greed on the part of all involved in the holiday industry.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"never read more than the title but I will answer a very firm YES, they bloody are"

Also true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe if there were not so many school holidays then the time out of school during term time would not be frowned upon so much and the cost would then be more restricted to a shorter period. It is probably another reason teachers need more money to cover all these times not at work.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm against my taxes paying for education whilst kids aren't using it, whether via truant or taking time off, when not approved.

Peoples' income varies over their lives, such as after redundancy etc- there's been a lot of it, through the ridiculous cut backs that have harmed our economy.

I don't know what the solution is, apart from greater teacher recruitment, extending school teaching weeks etc, and having flexible school holidays, so that not all teachers and pupils are off at the same time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

PS. It is the parents choice to have children and these costs have been there for years it is nothing new.

If the costs are capped they will only increase fares for term time holidays.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's supply and demand, if the holiday packages were not selling out they would drop the prices. If there was cheap holidays availabe during the school holidays they would sell out before half the people had chance to book them anyhow.

Get a tent, go camping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think any of the allowances parents get for their children have ever been calculated to include the massive and completely ridiculous additional cost of holidays during school holidays.

It's greed on the part of all involved in the holiday industry."

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough


"And not everyone that goes on holiday in school holidays is a money scrounging parent on benefits.

The teachers etc all get stung for the ridiculous price hikes in those few weeks too! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And not everyone that goes on holiday in school holidays is a money scrounging parent on benefits.

The teachers etc all get stung for the ridiculous price hikes in those few weeks too! "

Exactly this!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

There's an article today on the issue of more expensive holidays in term time. Petitions have been raised with well over 100,000 signatures.

Amongst many suggestions, a mother of four states that the Government should either cap prices so that all weeks are the same price, or remove the APT Duty ( ie tax, thanks Gordon twat Brown) on school holiday weeks only.

Do they not get enough subsidies through Child Benefit, Working tax Credits and free Nursery places such that the remainder of us have to pay even more to subsidise them?

If you can't afford them, why have so many?

"

I don't remember who made this statement, but I do fine it to be correct and true. "The trouble with capitalism is the capitalist." Those that take advantage of their customers and employees.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt all the little kids whose parents are on benefits get a holiday to be honest.

A bucket and spade in a caravan runs into hundreds now.

Her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think any of the allowances parents get for their children have ever been calculated to include the massive and completely ridiculous additional cost of holidays during school holidays.

It's greed on the part of all involved in the holiday industry.

"

Greed or good business practice of maximising their profits?

We live in a capitalist society. Higher demand equals higher prices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the figure is ab out 80% of the population is in receipt of some form of benefits. For most this is tax credit for working families and probably a small amount.

However as one of the remaining 20% I wonder how the devil we intend to keep the economy afloat when we allow that level of "welfare" to be given out. Half of the money we put in to the pot goes back out in the form of welfare payments.

Mrs Devil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The op either has more than enough money to treat his children to holidays at peak time or doesnt have children.

Its certainly not easy for a working family to be able to afford to take their chlidren on even the most basic holiday, never mind a beach holiday abroad, and that is families who dont 'scrounge' benifits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the figure is ab out 80% of the population is in receipt of some form of benefits. For most this is tax credit for working families and probably a small amount.

However as one of the remaining 20% I wonder how the devil we intend to keep the economy afloat when we allow that level of "welfare" to be given out. Half of the money we put in to the pot goes back out in the form of welfare payments.

Mrs Devil."

I'm one of the 80% that's gets £2 per week working tax, just because figure is high for number people that get it, doesn't mean amount they get is high to.

Was 7 years ago when I last took my daughter on holiday as we simply can't afford the extra hundreds that are put on the price day schools break up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont have kids.

want to book a weekend away for bank holiday weekend the end of may (is that easter? no idea)

the weekend before is £80, the weekend after is the same.

the bank holiday weekend is almost £200!!!!

why the hell should i pay an extra £100+ just to have a weekend away and not have to rush back on a sunday as no work on monday?

its bloody ridiculous and something SHOULD be done on holiday prices.

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By *ingjayMan
over a year ago

exeter

There is no excuse as to why parents get penalized, it stinks to the core!! But as said supply and demand and people pay so it will never change, look at the parents who were fined for taking their kids on holiday and the fine was cheaper than the difference of the holiday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The op either has more than enough money to treat his children to holidays at peak time or doesnt have children.

Its certainly not easy for a working family to be able to afford to take their chlidren on even the most basic holiday, never mind a beach holiday abroad, and that is families who dont 'scrounge' benifits."

I agree!

Its actually cheaper for me to take my boys out of school & pay the fines than go during "holiday dates"

Anyone with school age kids will agree that they do stuff all during the last week of term x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aren't most people greedy and selfish? Wouldn't anyone be peeved if something they wanted was unfairly priced? Don't hear smokers saying ooh another £3 on a packet of cigarettes, how lovely not condoning smoking here

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By *plgreatyarmouthCouple
over a year ago

great yarmouth

I dont consider families who work and get working tax credit as scroungers ( yes im bias), but simply families trying to survive.

We just about manage camping a couple of times a year but my girls beg for disney land paris which they will never see.

If there where enough high paid jobs available for everyone... well thats just fantasy isnt it.

At least you well off lot can have kids and not be frowned upon for it,

why dont we go back to living like they did in the good ol days and send the kids up your chimneys till they die of something horrible so us skintos can eat, or try Communism as thats tried and tested way of a much better society isnt it.

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By *ot monkey71Couple
over a year ago

middlesbrough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the figure is ab out 80% of the population is in receipt of some form of benefits. For most this is tax credit for working families and probably a small amount.

However as one of the remaining 20% I wonder how the devil we intend to keep the economy afloat when we allow that level of "welfare" to be given out. Half of the money we put in to the pot goes back out in the form of welfare payments.

Mrs Devil.

I'm one of the 80% that's gets £2 per week working tax, just because figure is high for number people that get it, doesn't mean amount they get is high to.

Was 7 years ago when I last took my daughter on holiday as we simply can't afford the extra hundreds that are put on the price day schools break up. "

Working Tax credits are instead of tax codes aren't they?. Before WTC didn't we all have a tax code that determined the amount of tax we paid ? As a single person with no children I paid the same rate of tax as my married colleagues but got less back in tax credits. Not enough to enable me to book a holiday during school holidays

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Unfortunately, if they cap fares during school holidays the companies will just raise prices outside of school holidays. I've finally got rid of my little bank account drain (aka daughter) and am enjoying the benefits of not having to pay through the nose going on my hols.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just as an addendum, there are some parets that i find very selfish, but it has nothing to do with the price of holidays.

however, these _iews wont be welcome here and are nothing to do with this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A point that seems to be missed....

Holidays are a luxury, not a right.

when you decide to have children, one of the things that you sign up for are no longer being able to go on holls during the cheap periods, this is along with the sleepless nights, the spending all your money on little people and so on.

We have too have to go on holls during peak time, often adding thousands of pounds onto the cost. However, it just means that we go a little less often than we used to.

If the travel industry is forced to charge the same , they will bump up the prices in term time, rather than lower the prices in school holls.

Does anyone remember the arguments about female car insurance?!

also, 80% of people receive welfare benefits? I imagine that may be a LOT lower now they have taken the child benefit away from the middle and higher earners!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the figure is ab out 80% of the population is in receipt of some form of benefits. For most this is tax credit for working families and probably a small amount.

However as one of the remaining 20% I wonder how the devil we intend to keep the economy afloat when we allow that level of "welfare" to be given out. Half of the money we put in to the pot goes back out in the form of welfare payments.

Mrs Devil.

I'm one of the 80% that's gets £2 per week working tax, just because figure is high for number people that get it, doesn't mean amount they get is high to.

Was 7 years ago when I last took my daughter on holiday as we simply can't afford the extra hundreds that are put on the price day schools break up.

Working Tax credits are instead of tax codes aren't they?. Before WTC didn't we all have a tax code that determined the amount of tax we paid ? As a single person with no children I paid the same rate of tax as my married colleagues but got less back in tax credits. Not enough to enable me to book a holiday during school holidays "

some people get more in tax credits than they pay in tax!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Anyone with school age kids will agree that they do stuff all during the last week of term x"

nope, not the case at all.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"There is no excuse as to why parents get penalized, it stinks to the core!!"

Actually you are wrong. Its simple economics. The laws of supply and demand state that when supply outstrips demand then the cost of the goods or services will reduce to stimulate demand. Conversely if demand outstrips supply then prices will rise to whatever level the market will sustain. School holidays are the time of highest demand (mid summer, Christmas, Easter and other Bank holidays) so like it or not people that want want holidays at that time just have to suck it up!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the figure is ab out 80% of the population is in receipt of some form of benefits. For most this is tax credit for working families and probably a small amount.

However as one of the remaining 20% I wonder how the devil we intend to keep the economy afloat when we allow that level of "welfare" to be given out. Half of the money we put in to the pot goes back out in the form of welfare payments.

Mrs Devil."

Really?! 80% of the population receive some kind of benefit ~ would the economy not sunk without trace on an 80/20 ratio...?!

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Why is it greedy and selfish to want to take your child away on holiday without having to pay double for what it would cost 7 days before just because it's still in school term time???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have children and think that's a load of rubbish a holiday is a luxury if you can't afford it don't go. simple.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

It was on the local news this evening, some holidays are nearly double, irrespective of who had how many kids and wotnot, this seems extremely unfair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think of it as the normal price is what you pay in peak season, the term time cheap deals are discounted due to lack of takeup.

there are many things in life where I can not take advantage of the cheaper options, and mainly it id due to choices I have made.

I do not like it, but not going to expect people to change it for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why is it greedy and selfish to want to take your child away on holiday without having to pay double for what it would cost 7 days before just because it's still in school term time???"

It's not greedy or selfish, it's economics.

The week before the hotels could be half empty and the companies could be selling them at cost to get their money back. Making minimal profits.

The following week they have more than enough customers to fill the hotels twice over so they can maximising their income, whilst trying to put off half the people from booking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no excuse as to why parents get penalized, it stinks to the core!!

Actually you are wrong. Its simple economics. The laws of supply and demand state that when supply outstrips demand then the cost of the goods or services will reduce to stimulate demand. Conversely if demand outstrips supply then prices will rise to whatever level the market will sustain. School holidays are the time of highest demand (mid summer, Christmas, Easter and other Bank holidays) so like it or not people that want want holidays at that time just have to suck it up!

"

if parents were allowed to take children out of school term would the prices stay the same or increase?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can we apply this to supermarkets too, it's always cheaper to buy Easter eggs after Easter, wrapping paper in January.

It's disgusting.

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire


"Why is it greedy and selfish to want to take your child away on holiday without having to pay double for what it would cost 7 days before just because it's still in school term time???

It's not greedy or selfish, it's economics.

The week before the hotels could be half empty and the companies could be selling them at cost to get their money back. Making minimal profits.

The following week they have more than enough customers to fill the hotels twice over so they can maximising their income, whilst trying to put off half the people from booking."

Yeah of course I understand why the prices differ but the op's heading is 'are some parents greedy and selfish' and I don't see his logic at all in this!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

how is it fair that when I choose go to the supermarket on Saturday lunchtime I have to pay full price for my food, but the lady next door who goes just before closing time on a sunday gets loads of reduced items?

how is it fair that I chose to buy a house here, yet my friends who lives in a cheaper area pays less for her mortgage?

How is it fair that I choose to eat more calories than I burn, so need large sized clothes. These are usually much more expensive than the clothes my slimmer mates wear!

I guess it is just like the fact that we chose to be in a situation where we can only holiday in peak times, as a result it costs more!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no excuse as to why parents get penalized, it stinks to the core!!

Actually you are wrong. Its simple economics. The laws of supply and demand state that when supply outstrips demand then the cost of the goods or services will reduce to stimulate demand. Conversely if demand outstrips supply then prices will rise to whatever level the market will sustain. School holidays are the time of highest demand (mid summer, Christmas, Easter and other Bank holidays) so like it or not people that want want holidays at that time just have to suck it up!

if parents were allowed to take children out of school term would the prices stay the same or increase? "

Supply and demand would even out a bit so prices would probably even out as well.

Catching up on a fortnights schoolwork may take longer though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are very hard working parents. We have two kids and provide the best we can for them. We DO NOT receive any benefits! Why should we be dictated to as to when we can and can't take our kids on a valued family holiday? Both my husband and I do not have the luxury of being able to take our holidays from work during school holidays..why should we have to pay more? We are being penalised for being hard working parents!

Don't tar everyone with the same brush

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why is it greedy and selfish to want to take your child away on holiday without having to pay double for what it would cost 7 days before just because it's still in school term time???

It's not greedy or selfish, it's economics.

The week before the hotels could be half empty and the companies could be selling them at cost to get their money back. Making minimal profits.

The following week they have more than enough customers to fill the hotels twice over so they can maximising their income, whilst trying to put off half the people from booking.

Yeah of course I understand why the prices differ but the op's heading is 'are some parents greedy and selfish' and I don't see his logic at all in this!!"

Yeah strange heading, I think the OP is not happy about people signing petitions asking for time specific tax breaks on holiday costs, as they are under the impression that it is people on benefits who wish for cheaper holidays.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no excuse as to why parents get penalized, it stinks to the core!!

Actually you are wrong. Its simple economics. The laws of supply and demand state that when supply outstrips demand then the cost of the goods or services will reduce to stimulate demand. Conversely if demand outstrips supply then prices will rise to whatever level the market will sustain. School holidays are the time of highest demand (mid summer, Christmas, Easter and other Bank holidays) so like it or not people that want want holidays at that time just have to suck it up!

if parents were allowed to take children out of school term would the prices stay the same or increase?

Supply and demand would even out a bit so prices would probably even out as well.

Catching up on a fortnights schoolwork may take longer though."

depends what year they're in and which part of the syllabus they miss. I've caught kids up who have been off sick in Secondary or who had done no coursework in yr 10. The thing is, even holidaying in Britain isn't cheap enough for some people. Those prices go sky high too. Day trips are an option and very enjoyable I think until the kids can pay their own way

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By *lassyandadventurousMan
over a year ago

England and Wales

The amount of school holidays is ridiculous in this day and age....six weeks in the summer etc

Less holiday time...more education....and teacher training days in the holidays please..

.everyone else gets four weeks a year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The amount of school holidays is ridiculous in this day and age....six weeks in the summer etc

Less holiday time...more education....and teacher training days in the holidays please..

.everyone else gets four weeks a year"

Everyone else is grown up…

Did you moan about holidays when you were at school?

Didn't the seven weeks of school seem like a lifetime?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Why is it greedy and selfish to want to take your child away on holiday without having to pay double for what it would cost 7 days before just because it's still in school term time???

It's not greedy or selfish, it's economics.

The week before the hotels could be half empty and the companies could be selling them at cost to get their money back. Making minimal profits.

The following week they have more than enough customers to fill the hotels twice over so they can maximising their income, whilst trying to put off half the people from booking.

Yeah of course I understand why the prices differ but the op's heading is 'are some parents greedy and selfish' and I don't see his logic at all in this!!"

I suspect you never will.

The issue, the logic if you like, is that at least one "Mother of four" thinks that the Government should INCREASE costs for everyone else, so that HER holiday can be cheaper.

Notwithstanding the fact that she is likely to be already receiving Child BENEFIT of what, some £65+ a week ( 20+15+15+15 correct ish?).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

There's an article today on the issue of more expensive holidays in term time. Petitions have been raised with well over 100,000 signatures.

Amongst many suggestions, a mother of four states that the Government should either cap prices so that all weeks are the same price, or remove the APT Duty ( ie tax, thanks Gordon twat Brown) on school holiday weeks only.

Do they not get enough subsidies through Child Benefit, Working tax Credits and free Nursery places such that the remainder of us have to pay even more to subsidise them?

If you can't afford them, why have so many?

Not all families with kids get working tax credit and free nursery places. "

This

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Why is it greedy and selfish to want to take your child away on holiday without having to pay double for what it would cost 7 days before just because it's still in school term time???

It's not greedy or selfish, it's economics.

The week before the hotels could be half empty and the companies could be selling them at cost to get their money back. Making minimal profits.

The following week they have more than enough customers to fill the hotels twice over so they can maximising their income, whilst trying to put off half the people from booking.

Yeah of course I understand why the prices differ but the op's heading is 'are some parents greedy and selfish' and I don't see his logic at all in this!!

Yeah strange heading, I think the OP is not happy about people signing petitions asking for time specific tax breaks on holiday costs, as they are under the impression that it is people on benefits who wish for cheaper holidays."

People can sign whatever petitions they want, nowhere do i mention scroungers, all benefits mentionned are standard welfare BENEFITS as much to working parents as any.

The point isn't that some want cheaper holidays, it's that some want the rest of us to pay even more to further subsidise theirs.

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By *pecifically1Woman
over a year ago

Hull

It is about supply and demand ..if poeple stopped going on holidays then the prices would rop

when you have kids you must accept everyone will want to go on holiday during the school holidays just the same if you are a teacher - you know this before you get into it

It is like people who sign up to work shifts then seem surprised they work unsociable hours..

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By *exycleanerWoman
over a year ago

pontefract

i havent got kids but when i was married my ex had set holidays at they place he worked so we had to pay extra as the hols were at peak times in latter yrs when he became a trucker we had holidays when we wanted but going back to the comment buy a tent the caravan club charges a higher at all holiday times , and high peak season starts early july

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why is it greedy and selfish to want to take your child away on holiday without having to pay double for what it would cost 7 days before just because it's still in school term time???

It's not greedy or selfish, it's economics.

The week before the hotels could be half empty and the companies could be selling them at cost to get their money back. Making minimal profits.

The following week they have more than enough customers to fill the hotels twice over so they can maximising their income, whilst trying to put off half the people from booking.

Yeah of course I understand why the prices differ but the op's heading is 'are some parents greedy and selfish' and I don't see his logic at all in this!!

Yeah strange heading, I think the OP is not happy about people signing petitions asking for time specific tax breaks on holiday costs, as they are under the impression that it is people on benefits who wish for cheaper holidays.

People can sign whatever petitions they want, nowhere do i mention scroungers, all benefits mentionned are standard welfare BENEFITS as much to working parents as any.

The point isn't that some want cheaper holidays, it's that some want the rest of us to pay even more to further subsidise theirs.

"

why?

there is absolutely NO reason why a hotel room for a family has to cost 3/4 or 500 pounds more in august as it does in july.

no reason other than profiteering, pure and simple.

i dont have kids, but my holidays cost more at these times, so i dont go on them. simple as that

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"We are very hard working parents. We have two kids and provide the best we can for them. We DO NOT receive any benefits! Why should we be dictated to as to when we can and can't take our kids on a valued family holiday? Both my husband and I do not have the luxury of being able to take our holidays from work during school holidays..why should we have to pay more? We are being penalised for being hard working parents!

Don't tar everyone with the same brush "

No! You are being penalised for going on holidays at the most popular times of the year! If you want to blame anyone blame the schools for shutting down at those times and get the school holidays changed then those of us that are not tied down by sprogs can enjoy less expensive holidays during the best weeks of the summer and over Christmas and Easter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Holidays are a luxury, can't afford it save up for next year.Supply and demand,that's capitalism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this a new problem? My parents couldn't afford many foreign holidays when I was a child. We went abroad twice, 5 of us in a vw camper van.

The rest of the time it was used in the UK.

Hotels and planes were never part of the equation.

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By *aitinkCouple
over a year ago

York


"there is absolutely NO reason why a hotel room for a family has to cost 3/4 or 500 pounds more in august as it does in july.

no reason other than profiteering, pure and simple.

i dont have kids, but my holidays cost more at these times, so i dont go on them. simple as that"

Profiteering? The Hotels and aeroplanes used for your holiday have to be paid for year round to support a 7 week holiday glut. The off peak prices help pay for their year round maintenance and reduce the cost of your summer holiday. Most holiday companies run on a very narrow margin: fuel hikes and political crises serve to throw them into bankruptcy, often in the middle of summer as their liquid cash runs out because of unexpected costs or mass cancellations. A significant portion of your ticket is insurance and taxes and, off peak, what's left over does not pay the running cost, a cost that has to be collected from summer prices. A modest shortfall in the summer will throw most holiday companies into bankruptcy. This is not an easy fix problem, and it sure does not have any relationship to welfare payments - stop reading the Mail, Sun, Mirror or Express which sell their papers on the premise that everyone in the country is either a criminal or a pervert. Just read a bit of history and research what happens to governments that stop paying out welfare - they mainly come to a sad and sorry end.

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over a year ago

I wouldn't take my children out of school just for a holiday. We go on cheap holidays in school holidays.

And people only usually get working tax credits and the like when they are in jobs that pay rubbish wages. I have no objection to helping out those people through being taxed.

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