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 so, I'm going to go for the ciggie / battery type.
Do they come in different strenght's?
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" Whatever is in an ECig, surely cannot beat the poisons in a tobacco stick... "You would think so..... however! When they become regulated in the near future.... its going to be very interesting to see those that remain on the market, and those that dont! | |||
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"i have flavour vapour ...got about 100 different flavours and come in 3 different strengths " What make do you have? | |||
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"Whichever you get... Learn how to draw it or you will cough ya ring up... You need to suck a lot harder than a cigarette, or you will get pure vapour... Drawing harder will get dome dry air into your mouth... They are all different, as are we... Practice till you get the right draw for you... Whatever is in an ECig, surely cannot beat the poisons in a tobacco stick... "Tht's the thing, I've sampled 2 different e-cigs, and both times, I've gone cross eyed trying to draw on the dam thing | |||
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"i have flavour vapour ...got about 100 different flavours and come in 3 different strengths What make do you have?" the make is 'flavour vapour' they have a website you can check out but i just go into their store | |||
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"Hi Zoe I havn't yet decided on whether to take the e-cig option "My sis is a nurse and has specialied in smoking cessation for a couple of years and we were taliking about e cigs a bit ago and they are serioulsy scary - they aren't monitered enough and can contain all sorts of toxins. Go cold turkey if you can Z xx | |||
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"It's confusing deciding which E-Cig to choose, no doubt more questions to follow based on recommendations, but for now, any suggestions? " long time no speak - don't get on here so much these days - hope you're both ok? Z xx | |||
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"long time no speak - don't get on here so much these days - hope you're both ok? Z xx " We're both OK Z thx, we don't post as often as we used to, off to Eygpt on Thursday, nice to see you're still around | |||
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"long time no speak - don't get on here so much these days - hope you're both ok? Z xx We're both OK Z thx, we don't post as often as we used to, off to Eygpt on Thursday, nice to see you're still around "Glad you're ok - love Egypt have a lovely time! Z xx | |||
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"I have messaged the OP about this. I am an ex smoker (20years smoking) of 11 months...I am also an asthmatic and use ecigs To those who have never smoked an only ever heard about ecigs on tv should keep quiet as you only ever hear the bad stuff about these things. As for tests over 10 minutes...that's a load of shit as u cannot get any conclusive results from that. When I first started on the ecigs I coughed a fair bit but that was because I was adjusting to the vapour an rejecting the crap from normal ciggies. As for not knowing what is in the juice, if you get it from a reputable vendor the there is only 4 or 5 components in them...PG, VG, Flavour, Nicotine and sometimes water....as for the NRT crap from Nicorete etc that stuff contains things like Hydrocloric Acid!!! And NRT is designed to fail 99% of the time. Also you don't need to work out how to draw on an ecig as you only need to draw like you do on a normal ciggie. I have done loads of research on ecigs and that is the main thing that you need to do before using them. I have searched vendors and spoken to countless number of people who Vape. Best thing to do would be to find a reputable store and speak to someone face to face and can show you and advise you there and then on the spot. I shall now end my piece and wait for the barrage of comments/insults lol " I have noticed by lung capacity has actually increased since I started vaping instead of smoking. I can certainly run upstairs a lot easier. I will say that, as the fluid has nicotine in, it should be regulated, but it certainly shouldn't be dismissed as dangerous until they do PROPER studies for a long period of time. Saying its as bad as or worse than smoking cigarettes? Don't make me laugh. | |||
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"I have noticed by lung capacity has actually increased since I started vaping instead of smoking. I can certainly run upstairs a lot easier. I will say that, as the fluid has nicotine in, it should be regulated, but it certainly shouldn't be dismissed as dangerous until they do PROPER studies for a long period of time. Saying its as bad as or worse than smoking cigarettes? Don't make me laugh." The question is...if the government had said from the start (even without tests) that ecigs were bad etc, would anyone question it? Proper studies have been done and are continuing to be done. Regulation wise, every vendor or shop I have seen or been to WILL NOT sell to anyone under 18. As for being a dangerous liquid...yes it can be if it's not treated correctly or handled in a safe manner. As for the ingredients: PG (propylene glycol) is in nicorete quick mist for example (as well as many other everyday products) VG (vegetable glycerine) is a food grade product flavouring is also food grade and then you have the nicotine and possibly water and that is it. Now have a read of the ingredients in most NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) and i bet most people won't want to use them as there are a lot more ingredients in them and as I said before HYDROCHLORIC ACID!!! and that's in the nicorete quickmist. And my question with a product like a quickmist is how do they know these are safe and how did they test them to know they are safe AND work! And personally my doctor is happy that I have given up cigs and on ecigs With this country and others, people are loosing their right to do as they please as a lot of it is down to the governments loosing money from taxes. But surely over 1 million people (this country alone) cannot be wrong with how much these help. But with anything people need to do the research before deciding what to do to give up and don't just listen to the scaremongers and make your own minds up! | |||
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"Electronic cigarettes, seen by many as a healthy alternative to tobacco smoking, can cause damage to the lungs, scientists from the University of Athens, Greece, explained at the European Respiratory Society's Annual Congress 2012, Vienna, on Sunday. Electronic cigarettes, also called e-cigarettes have also been marketed as effective smoking cessation devices. Professor Christina Gratziou and team set out to determine what the short-term effects of smoking with e-cigarettes might be on different individuals, including those with no known health problems, as well as existing smokers with and without lung conditions. They carried out experiments on 32 volunteers; of whom 8 were lifetime non-smokers and 24 were current regular smokers. Some of them had healthy lungs, while others lived with asthma or COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). They were asked to use an electronic cigarette for 10 minutes, inhaling the vapors into their lungs. A spirometry test, as well as some others diagnostic procedures were used to measure their airway resistance. Airway resistance is used in respiratory physiology to measure the resistance of the respiratory tract to airflow coming in during inspiration (inhalation) and going out during expiration (exhalation). They found that using an e-cigarette caused an instant increase in airway resistance that lasted for 10 minutes in the majority of the participants. Below are some of their findings:¦Non-smokers - even among lifetimes non-smokers, using an e-cigarette for ten minutes raised their airway resistance to 206% from 182% (mean average); the researchers described this as a "significant increase". ¦Current regular smokers - among existing regular smokers, the spirometry tests revealed a significant rise in airway resistance to 220%, from 176% after using one e-cigarette for ten minutes. ¦COPD and Asthma patients experienced no significant increase in airway resistance from using one e-cigarette for ten minutes. " sponsored by lamburt and butler | |||
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"Not as much is known about the effects of long term e-cig use because they are relatively new. Of course there is a mountain of research available about the effects of smoking cigarette and associates disease. But even a fool is aware that there is nowhere near the amount of toxins in vaping as there are in smoking. I think its helped a lot of people give up smoking and seems to be more successful than other methods. I think they are a great idea "Very well put - bear in mind that years ago fags were advertised as being good for you! There's a mountain of proof now that they kill you. We really haven't got any real data about the side effects of the e-cigs. It's easier to give up cold turkey rather than swapping one addiction for another. Z | |||
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"It's all down to personal taste, I've tried both e-cigs and the clearomizer types (several brands, including VIP and Tablites). If you want to try different flavours, strengths, etc - then clearomizers are the way to go... and I find they offer more of a throat kick. For clearomizer tanks, I'd heartily recommend the Kanger mini Protank-2. I've been using that for six months, everything tastes so much better through it as it's made from pyrex glass rather than plastic... all you need to do is replace the wick every couple of weeks. As for health risks, I go with VG/vegetable glycerin-based e-liquids (not PG/propylene glycol, which is what people seem to get into a panic about)... To be honest, they put PG in asthma inhalers, so it can't be THAT bad. "As PG in some NRT like quickmists. And all the PG is for is to carry the nicotine for the body to be able to absorb the nicotine. The VG is what gives you the vapour to give you that smoking simulation. Changing wicks every couple of weeks?? What mod/battery are u using? And really any bottom coil is recommended by me but the protank is a good one to start, or an evod
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"VG (vegetable glycerine) is a food grade product flavouring is also food grade" I don't have an opinion one way or another on e-cigs. I applaud anyone for trying to quit smoking. This is obviously a subject with a lot of unknowns. However, just to make one point... Food grade products are usually intended to go through the digestive system and not repeatedly inhaled into the lungs. Because it's safe to swallow doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to inhale regularly on an ongoing basis. There's a lot to be considered here. Studies having people use an e-cig for 10 minutes rather than how they are actually used are going to be of limited use and may well lead to incorrect conclusions being drawn. | |||
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"VG (vegetable glycerine) is a food grade product flavouring is also food grade I don't have an opinion one way or another on e-cigs. I applaud anyone for trying to quit smoking. This is obviously a subject with a lot of unknowns. However, just to make one point... Food grade products are usually intended to go through the digestive system and not repeatedly inhaled into the lungs. Because it's safe to swallow doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to inhale regularly on an ongoing basis. There's a lot to be considered here. Studies having people use an e-cig for 10 minutes rather than how they are actually used are going to be of limited use and may well lead to incorrect conclusions being drawn." Will admit don't smoke or vape and applaud anyone who are trying to top smoking. However seem to remember someone somewhere reporting that the most dangerous ingredient in the e-liquids is the water. This is due to the fact that the lungs are not supposed to inhale water. Can't remember the whole article, as I said, don't smoke or vape, as I just scan read it but the summary was that this may be very bad for you. Along the lines of how long does it take for the water to be removed from the lungs etc. Made it sound like you could be drowning very slowly, but I could be totally wrong. | |||
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"VG (vegetable glycerine) is a food grade product flavouring is also food grade I don't have an opinion one way or another on e-cigs. I applaud anyone for trying to quit smoking. This is obviously a subject with a lot of unknowns. However, just to make one point... Food grade products are usually intended to go through the digestive system and not repeatedly inhaled into the lungs. Because it's safe to swallow doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to inhale regularly on an ongoing basis. There's a lot to be considered here. Studies having people use an e-cig for 10 minutes rather than how they are actually used are going to be of limited use and may well lead to incorrect conclusions being drawn. Will admit don't smoke or vape and applaud anyone who are trying to top smoking. However seem to remember someone somewhere reporting that the most dangerous ingredient in the e-liquids is the water. This is due to the fact that the lungs are not supposed to inhale water. Can't remember the whole article, as I said, don't smoke or vape, as I just scan read it but the summary was that this may be very bad for you. Along the lines of how long does it take for the water to be removed from the lungs etc. Made it sound like you could be drowning very slowly, but I could be totally wrong." I suppose it would depend on how the water was vapourised and if it remained in the lungs or was exhaled straight back out again. The air we breathe contains water vapour, varying in amount with conditions and climate. People inhale steam for various reasons and that doesn't seem to have drowned anyone. I'm dubious of the claim but would want to hear more before dismissing it completely. | |||
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"VG (vegetable glycerine) is a food grade product flavouring is also food grade I don't have an opinion one way or another on e-cigs. I applaud anyone for trying to quit smoking. This is obviously a subject with a lot of unknowns. However, just to make one point... Food grade products are usually intended to go through the digestive system and not repeatedly inhaled into the lungs. Because it's safe to swallow doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to inhale regularly on an ongoing basis. There's a lot to be considered here. Studies having people use an e-cig for 10 minutes rather than how they are actually used are going to be of limited use and may well lead to incorrect conclusions being drawn. Will admit don't smoke or vape and applaud anyone who are trying to top smoking. However seem to remember someone somewhere reporting that the most dangerous ingredient in the e-liquids is the water. This is due to the fact that the lungs are not supposed to inhale water. Can't remember the whole article, as I said, don't smoke or vape, as I just scan read it but the summary was that this may be very bad for you. Along the lines of how long does it take for the water to be removed from the lungs etc. Made it sound like you could be drowning very slowly, but I could be totally wrong. I suppose it would depend on how the water was vapourised and if it remained in the lungs or was exhaled straight back out again. The air we breathe contains water vapour, varying in amount with conditions and climate. People inhale steam for various reasons and that doesn't seem to have drowned anyone. I'm dubious of the claim but would want to hear more before dismissing it completely. " like I said am probably wrong but given that, the water vapour we breathe in from the air is no where near the same volume as when someone inhales the vapour. And in general, think people would not inhale steam with the same regularity as someone who vapes. Just an observation. | |||
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"VG (vegetable glycerine) is a food grade product flavouring is also food grade I don't have an opinion one way or another on e-cigs. I applaud anyone for trying to quit smoking. This is obviously a subject with a lot of unknowns. However, just to make one point... Food grade products are usually intended to go through the digestive system and not repeatedly inhaled into the lungs. Because it's safe to swallow doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to inhale regularly on an ongoing basis. There's a lot to be considered here. Studies having people use an e-cig for 10 minutes rather than how they are actually used are going to be of limited use and may well lead to incorrect conclusions being drawn. Will admit don't smoke or vape and applaud anyone who are trying to top smoking. However seem to remember someone somewhere reporting that the most dangerous ingredient in the e-liquids is the water. This is due to the fact that the lungs are not supposed to inhale water. Can't remember the whole article, as I said, don't smoke or vape, as I just scan read it but the summary was that this may be very bad for you. Along the lines of how long does it take for the water to be removed from the lungs etc. Made it sound like you could be drowning very slowly, but I could be totally wrong. I suppose it would depend on how the water was vapourised and if it remained in the lungs or was exhaled straight back out again. The air we breathe contains water vapour, varying in amount with conditions and climate. People inhale steam for various reasons and that doesn't seem to have drowned anyone. I'm dubious of the claim but would want to hear more before dismissing it completely. like I said am probably wrong but given that, the water vapour we breathe in from the air is no where near the same volume as when someone inhales the vapour. And in general, think people would not inhale steam with the same regularity as someone who vapes. Just an observation." It's an interesting point to consider, certainly. | |||
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"VG (vegetable glycerine) is a food grade product flavouring is also food grade I don't have an opinion one way or another on e-cigs. I applaud anyone for trying to quit smoking. This is obviously a subject with a lot of unknowns. However, just to make one point... Food grade products are usually intended to go through the digestive system and not repeatedly inhaled into the lungs. Because it's safe to swallow doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to inhale regularly on an ongoing basis. There's a lot to be considered here. Studies having people use an e-cig for 10 minutes rather than how they are actually used are going to be of limited use and may well lead to incorrect conclusions being drawn. Will admit don't smoke or vape and applaud anyone who are trying to top smoking. However seem to remember someone somewhere reporting that the most dangerous ingredient in the e-liquids is the water. This is due to the fact that the lungs are not supposed to inhale water. Can't remember the whole article, as I said, don't smoke or vape, as I just scan read it but the summary was that this may be very bad for you. Along the lines of how long does it take for the water to be removed from the lungs etc. Made it sound like you could be drowning very slowly, but I could be totally wrong. I suppose it would depend on how the water was vapourised and if it remained in the lungs or was exhaled straight back out again. The air we breathe contains water vapour, varying in amount with conditions and climate. People inhale steam for various reasons and that doesn't seem to have drowned anyone. I'm dubious of the claim but would want to hear more before dismissing it completely. like I said am probably wrong but given that, the water vapour we breathe in from the air is no where near the same volume as when someone inhales the vapour. And in general, think people would not inhale steam with the same regularity as someone who vapes. Just an observation." My mother suffers from asthma and has a nebuliser, which is water vapour mixed with her medication. I doubt they would have prescribed it if it was likely to drown her! Funnily enough this agrees with the post above talking about how EEEEVILLLL vaping is, in that the asthma sufferers who tried it didn't seem to have a problem with vaping. | |||
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"Not as much is known about the effects of long term e-cig use because they are relatively new. Of course there is a mountain of research available about the effects of smoking cigarette and associates disease. But even a fool is aware that there is nowhere near the amount of toxins in vaping as there are in smoking. I think its helped a lot of people give up smoking and seems to be more successful than other methods. I think they are a great idea
Very well put - bear in mind that years ago fags were advertised as being good for you! There's a mountain of proof now that they kill you. We really haven't got any real data about the side effects of the e-cigs. It's easier to give up cold turkey rather than swapping one
addiction for another. Z"it is better to give up completely than still vape nicotine, but its unrealistic. More people have switched to vaping than giving up completely and therefore that is at least a step in the right direction. Of course its sensible to try and wean yourself off vaping in time too. Of course it will have people becoming addicted to it, there's a chance some non smokers may start vaping as its becoming popular, more and more shops springing up, the accessories, like diamante cartridges appealing etc. We have similar with heroin users being weaned off with methodone and becoming addicted to that. We have to consider peoples behaviour, will they just give up smoking - a minority will, will people give up if an alternative is offered, more people do, what about if we offer a substitute that has substantially lowered the amount of toxins but still has a small amount of addictive substance but is relatively new, yes we should do the risk assessment, more people are choosing that option and its giving us higher figures of giving up smoking than anything else. There is risk of course but the risk maybe more manageable than continuing to smoke cigarettes | |||
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"I was at a horse show last weekend and a lady had one of them ecigs and smoking it in the café next to us . I could see vapers but no smell .. Just a lot of kids in there having there lunch . Is that ok now ?" Legally yes. Morally No. I only smoke my e-cig where I would or would not of smoked a real one. For eg, I wouldnt of smoked my normal cig in a restaurant so won't now. | |||
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"I was at a horse show last weekend and a lady had one of them ecigs and smoking it in the café next to us . I could see vapers but no smell .. Just a lot of kids in there having there lunch . Is that ok now ? Legally yes. Morally No. I only smoke my e-cig where I would or would not of smoked a real one. For eg, I wouldnt of smoked my normal cig in a restaurant so won't now." Just it looked very strange as we don't see that a lot now Smoke around food and I could see the children looking too . | |||
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"I was at a horse show last weekend and a lady had one of them ecigs and smoking it in the café next to us . I could see vapers but no smell .. Just a lot of kids in there having there lunch . Is that ok now ? Legally yes. Morally No. I only smoke my e-cig where I would or would not of smoked a real one. For eg, I wouldnt of smoked my normal cig in a restaurant so won't now. Just it looked very strange as we don't see that a lot now Smoke around food and I could see the children looking too ." Thats where I think the law should be changed. Indoors, near children, public place, don't do it. I would also find it odd looking. | |||
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"I was at a horse show last weekend and a lady had one of them ecigs and smoking it in the café next to us . I could see vapers but no smell .. Just a lot of kids in there having there lunch . Is that ok now ? Legally yes. Morally No. I only smoke my e-cig where I would or would not of smoked a real one. For eg, I wouldnt of smoked my normal cig in a restaurant so won't now. Just it looked very strange as we don't see that a lot now Smoke around food and I could see the children looking too . Thats where I think the law should be changed. Indoors, near children, public place, don't do it. I would also find it odd looking." yes I think something should be done now after seeing this ... as kids it giving them mixed signs on whats right and wrong . I new it was not real as no smell but a child may never know and think its fine . | |||
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"I was at a horse show last weekend and a lady had one of them ecigs and smoking it in the café next to us . I could see vapers but no smell .. Just a lot of kids in there having there lunch . Is that ok now ? Legally yes. Morally No. I only smoke my e-cig where I would or would not of smoked a real one. For eg, I wouldnt of smoked my normal cig in a restaurant so won't now. Just it looked very strange as we don't see that a lot now Smoke around food and I could see the children looking too . Thats where I think the law should be changed. Indoors, near children, public place, don't do it. I would also find it odd looking. yes I think something should be done now after seeing this ... as kids it giving them mixed signs on whats right and wrong . I new it was not real as no smell but a child may never know and think its fine ." I only use one company but even they don't know anyone who won't sell to Under 18's. This company ask what fags you smoke first and how many and thus won't sell if your a non smoker. It won't need much regulating, but there again some corner shop owners sell booze to kids of any age so hopefully it won't go that way. | |||
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