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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I know this is an emotive debate, but have had the most amazing day. My son started in a state school until age 9 when, after a series of incidents and a parents evening where work was shown that was barely legible, incomprehensible and had yet been given a good mark, a hard decision was taken to move him.

At his new school he thrived, as a naturally sporty kid he has revelled in the competitive games against other schools and academically was given huge support and slowly found his confidence in an environment where he was made to feel valued and praised for his effort.

After 3 years of hard work, a few tears but also plenty of smiles he has just achieved an academic and sports scholarship to a leading senior school. To say I am the proudest Dad in the world is an understatement!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Awwww congratulations to your little one. You've every reason to be proud

Wouldn't it be nice if state schools could have the same smaller class sizes, time, ability to be selective, funding, and all those things that could have assisted in your boy making it anyway and allow a teacher to teach the way they always hoped too.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Congratulations to you - so good to see your child succeed but also to see your pride.

I also echo the second post about how nice it would be if this were available in state schools.

PS I do not have an issue with public schools as it is just one of the many choices we have.

Well done!

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By *nfieldishCouple
over a year ago

Enfield

Nice.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All my 4 was at private school and needed so much more help then our local school could offer . All 4 have Dyslexia and different levels and very bright and it payed off for us and we worked hard to do this as was not offered help from no one ... just new they could not be left like me.

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By *imply_SensualMan
over a year ago

warrington

Have to agree with the sentiments already expressed. Investment in children, whether that be time, money, emotional support, is the best we can give as parents. If private schooling is an option then it is worth pursuing. A lot of state schools have classroom managers, not teachers (not all I hasten to add) but there are certainly differing levels of achievements in different schools, and any weakness in a child is not developed into a strength.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Awwww congratulations to your little one. You've every reason to be proud

Wouldn't it be nice if state schools could have the same smaller class sizes, time, ability to be selective, funding, and all those things that could have assisted in your boy making it anyway and allow a teacher to teach the way they always hoped too. "

They could have smaller class sizes.

It's just down to accepting it'll cost money and that'll mean different choices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Awwww congratulations to your little one. You've every reason to be proud

Wouldn't it be nice if state schools could have the same smaller class sizes, time, ability to be selective, funding, and all those things that could have assisted in your boy making it anyway and allow a teacher to teach the way they always hoped too.

They could have smaller class sizes.

It's just down to accepting it'll cost money and that'll mean different choices."

And taking an axe to the wanker that is Mr Gove !

I used to bloody love school.. Couldn't and wouldn't be a teacher for all the tea in china... And I'm a northerner. I bloody love tea me!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

My children all went to inner city state schools, all have degrees, the eldest a masters the youngest working towards her PhD. My husband and I ensured they did their homework before tv and games, made subjects come alive by making them into games, travelling etc. We made learning fun: they still strive to learn.

Most of us invest in our kids future and feel proud as punch when they do well.

Well done to you and your son op

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By *onestjohn1962Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because you are paying for something that is expensive - that it is good. (Like lots of things in life.) There are some excellent state schools and some crap private schools.

But well done to you and your son.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I have attended both private and state schools and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the education given in private schools is head and shoulders above that of the vast majority if not all state schools.

Your son is a very lucky boy, no matter his academic ability he will emerge from his school years a well educated young man.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I have attended both private and state schools and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the education given in private schools is head and shoulders above that of the vast majority if not all state schools.

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Sometimes, unfortunately, it's wasted on those who receive it.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"I have attended both private and state schools and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the education given in private schools is head and shoulders above that of the vast majority if not all state schools.

.......

Sometimes, unfortunately, it's wasted on those who receive it.

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Was that a little dig I felt there...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have attended both private and state schools and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the education given in private schools is head and shoulders above that of the vast majority if not all state schools.

Your son is a very lucky boy, no matter his academic ability he will emerge from his school years a well educated young man."

Is it really just the education? The same graduates that teach in state schools are able teach in private schools, they need no more of an education or special ability to teach than those teaching in modern comprehensives.

Personally I think it's the peripherals available in private schools that can make such a huge difference, as well as the selectivity. The expectation and kudos goes a long way.

Of course, if little Ellie, with a burning ambition to learn was battling for her teachers attention above 25 children who don't want to learn, haven't been taught the work ethic at home, the importance of education and have no desire to succeed, it's going to be a lot harder than little Ellie in a classroom where everyone wants to hear what the teacher says, wants to succeed, wants to do well and make a success.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

'Peripherals'. Do you mean membership of the Bullingdon Club?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"'Peripherals'. Do you mean membership of the Bullingdon Club?"

Bah. Overrated lol

I meant sports clubs, orchestras, access to clubs and groups, after school activities.. The usual

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"'Peripherals'. Do you mean membership of the Bullingdon Club?

Bah. Overrated lol

I meant sports clubs, orchestras, access to clubs and groups, after school activities.. The usual"

Every school can have those. It just requires appropriate funding from government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"'Peripherals'. Do you mean membership of the Bullingdon Club?

Bah. Overrated lol

I meant sports clubs, orchestras, access to clubs and groups, after school activities.. The usual

Every school can have those. It just requires appropriate funding from government."

Not gonna happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IF I had children and IF I could afford it..I would definitely have my children privately educated.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"'Peripherals'.

I meant sports clubs, orchestras, access to clubs and groups, after school activities.. The usual

Every school can have those. It just requires appropriate funding from government."

We basically agree Onny, but I am afraid that there are some things private schools have that cannot be replicated in the state system for all. When I was in school (private) the teachers were there all the time. They did not just teach me, they monitored private study (the equivalent of homework) and their private rooms were open during recreation times at night and over weekends. Where they would share their interests with us, be it sport, music, chess, poetry, bridge, politics or in the case of one master his experiences in the war as an RAF pilot and prisoner of war and what it taught him about the human condition. It requires a closed (boarding) school for there to be that sort of contact between teachers and students and that is not really possible for all in the state system (although I wish it was).

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"'Peripherals'.

I meant sports clubs, orchestras, access to clubs and groups, after school activities.. The usual

Every school can have those. It just requires appropriate funding from government.

We basically agree Onny, but I am afraid that there are some things private schools have that cannot be replicated in the state system for all. When I was in school (private) the teachers were there all the time. They did not just teach me, they monitored private study (the equivalent of homework) and their private rooms were open during recreation times at night and over weekends. Where they would share their interests with us, be it sport, music, chess, poetry, bridge, politics or in the case of one master his experiences in the war as an RAF pilot and prisoner of war and what it taught him about the human condition. It requires a closed (boarding) school for there to be that sort of contact between teachers and students and that is not really possible for all in the state system (although I wish it was)."

It is only personal experience and it would be wrong to generalise, but the state school he was at was one of the highest in the country in league tables. But the difference has been night and day, not only academically but also with the amount of sport and extra curricula activities. Whereas he would come home disillusioned and invariably in trouble, he is now kept busy and constantly challenged in an environment where it is cool to learn and be top of the class, rather than where it is cool to mess around and be the "funny guy". Also, there was no sport whatsoever at his state school, where now there is sport 4 times a week and competitive games against other schools where there is proper streaming. For a sporty kid it has been a total transformation. It is no surprise that nearly 40% of our Olympic athletes came from private school backgrounds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Congratulations poster.

Both of mine have attended a state school a buisness and enterprise school.

My son passed 11 gcse which resulted in going on to college for four years, 6 A levels passed with distintion, he had a place at university, but has chose to earn without debt.

My daughter year nine so far a straight A student.

Choose a good school and good parental backup a state school can just as rewarding.

Very proud mum here

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Congratulations poster.

Both of mine have attended a state school a buisness and enterprise school.

My son passed 11 gcse which resulted in going on to college for four years, 6 A levels passed with distintion, he had a place at university, but has chose to earn without debt.

My daughter year nine so far a straight A student.

Choose a good school and good parental backup a state school can just as rewarding.

Very proud mum here

"

no wonder you are very proud

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"'Peripherals'.

I meant sports clubs, orchestras, access to clubs and groups, after school activities.. The usual

Every school can have those. It just requires appropriate funding from government.

We basically agree Onny, but I am afraid that there are some things private schools have that cannot be replicated in the state system for all. When I was in school (private) the teachers were there all the time. They did not just teach me, they monitored private study (the equivalent of homework) and their private rooms were open during recreation times at night and over weekends. Where they would share their interests with us, be it sport, music, chess, poetry, bridge, politics or in the case of one master his experiences in the war as an RAF pilot and prisoner of war and what it taught him about the human condition. It requires a closed (boarding) school for there to be that sort of contact between teachers and students and that is not really possible for all in the state system (although I wish it was)."

I can't promise an ex-POW reeking of Brylcreem but money can provide the rest.

If everyone who claims education is the most important thing (I don't actually) were prepared to put their money where their mouths are, we could do it.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


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If everyone who claims education is the most important thing (I don't actually) were prepared to put their money where their mouths are, we could do it."

You know I think education is the most important thing besides parental love, nurture and positive role modelling. BUT I include under the term "education" far more than schooling.

For example, I also believe that a community raises a child.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

If everyone who claims education is the most important thing (I don't actually) were prepared to put their money where their mouths are, we could do it.

You know I think education is the most important thing besides parental love, nurture and positive role modelling. BUT I include under the term "education" far more than schooling.

For example, I also believe that a community raises a child. "

totally agree, there is no point having someone with a brain the size of Planet Zog and the ability to work out quantum physics for fun without the emotional intelligence to ineterract with people and being comfortable in social situations. This definitely comes from community and family as well as school.

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