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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Not guilty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No surprise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't quite know how to respond to that.

Very mixed thoughts!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

to be honest its getting a bit same shit different day to me all this sex offences lark, since old jimmy was outed it seems every man and his dog that's been on TV is being accused, its getting to the point of ridiculous

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By *arkstaffsMan
over a year ago

Rugeley

Glad to read this. I always thought he was just another celebrity victim of malicious accusations. Hope he can put this ordeal behind him and get back on the radio.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"to be honest its getting a bit same shit different day to me all this sex offences lark, since old jimmy was outed it seems every man and his dog that's been on TV is being accused, its getting to the point of ridiculous "

That's why they're doing it,they don't seem to be getting the real culprits around downing st and parliament

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No surprise. "

No , not really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there could still be a retrial

poor blokes personal and work life has been ruined

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the thing is half of these guys who have been found not guilty could be guilty for all we know, I cant see why people would leave it 20 and 30 years before they pressed charges, I mean what evidence is there after all that time? they have no choice but to find the men innocent

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

The accused should be afforded the same anonymity as the victim until a verdict has been reached, all this trial by media is ruining people's careers and lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The accused should be afforded the same anonymity as the victim until a verdict has been reached, all this trial by media is ruining people's careers and lives. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The accused should be afforded the same anonymity as the victim until a verdict has been reached, all this trial by media is ruining people's careers and lives. "

I agree, it's becoming a witch hunt,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The accused should be afforded the same anonymity as the victim until a verdict has been reached, all this trial by media is ruining people's careers and lives. "

I think this should be the case, regardless if someone is famous or not. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the thing is half of these guys who have been found not guilty could be guilty for all we know, I cant see why people would leave it 20 and 30 years before they pressed charges, I mean what evidence is there after all that time? they have no choice but to find the men innocent "

completely agree waste of time and money letting it get to trial,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

About time the people who accuse are put in the dock

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Does somebody just have to say, 'he interfered with me' and you are fast tracked to court regardless of evidence???

These acquittals are making a mockery of the whole process.

I worry for real victims in the future as the law is looking a complete ass at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

completely agree waste of time and money letting it get to trial, "

I can just imagine the court room

so Mr DLT where was you at 5.23 on the 13th March 1962

I mean seriously how can anyone prove anything or defend themselves from accusations from so long ago?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does somebody just have to say, 'he interfered with me' and you are fast tracked to court regardless of evidence???

These acquittals are making a mockery of the whole process.

I worry for real victims in the future as the law is looking a complete ass at the moment."

and guilty people will walk free

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"About time the people who accuse are put in the dock "

No they shouldn't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"About time the people who accuse are put in the dock "

I can't see that working to be honest. I'm sure if there is overwhelming evidence that somebody has totally fabricated a story then they'll be brought to task. But in exery case where the accused is found innocent you can't then prosecute the accuser or ekes no one will come forward in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually feel really sorry for Freddie Starr. Bailed again yesterday till April which is 18 months since he was first arrested. That's not right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The police say they release the names as it helps get others to come forward, fair enough... BUT

How about if the person is found innocent they then become the victim and the accusers names are released?

Or how about the falsely accused have some method of pursuing damages for loses incurred through false accusation?

Can see lots of flaws in both those options, but can also see that they are fair too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"About time the people who accuse are put in the dock "

some people who make such allegation's are genuine and women/kids and men who have been raped or sexually abused should be protected, if someone is raped and they think their face is going to be plastered everywhere they are less likely to report the crime so more sex offender will be walking the streets, sadly we don't know who's telling the truth and who isn't so everyone gets treat the same

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"About time the people who accuse are put in the dock "

disagree strongly..

such a system would give carte blanche to rapists and paedophiles to do as they wish..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The accused should be afforded the same anonymity as the victim until a verdict has been reached, all this trial by media is ruining people's careers and lives. "

Agree!!

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

I think there is an argument for it all to be legally private i.e. blanket media gag. Even Tweets banned.

Once there is a successful prosecution then and only then a press release.

Yes there will still be leaks but if the leakers are punished sufficiently the leaks will be less.

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

north Down

That's why they're doing it,they don't seem to be getting the real culprits around downing st and parliament "

And quite a few others..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would realy realy like to know why the cps thought they had enough proof to secure a convition not just on this case but the 2 guys off corro ,rolf harris and who knows how many other celebs .it is a witch hunt and a complete and utter shambles by the cps .these guys could well be guilty but where is the proof .serious questions need to be answered and heads should roll its utterly disgusting our justice system is a joke. for the record i firmly believe all the ppl accused are innocent but will have this hanging around them for the rest of there lives.

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By *ecor atorMan
over a year ago

York

They should jail the useless bastard police and fukkin prosecution Mongs for wastin public fukkin money!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should jail the useless bastard police and fukkin prosecution Mongs for wastin public fukkin money!"

you fukkin tell 'um

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think when people say that the prosecution is a waste of time, let's not forget Stuart Hall's conviction based on a confession.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"They should jail the useless bastard police and fukkin prosecution Mongs for wastin public fukkin money!"

In fairness the police don't bring the case to court they just gather the evidence and give it to the CPS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think when people say that the prosecution is a waste of time, let's not forget Stuart Hall's conviction based on a confession."

oh so if ones guilty they all are

. its a complete farce everyone can see that apart from the cps.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think when people say that the prosecution is a waste of time, let's not forget Stuart Hall's conviction based on a confession.

oh so if ones guilty they all are

. its a complete farce everyone can see that apart from the cps."

Jonathon King

Gary Glitter

That chap from the lost prophets who's name escapes me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think when people say that the prosecution is a waste of time, let's not forget Stuart Hall's conviction based on a confession.

oh so if ones guilty they all are

. its a complete farce everyone can see that apart from the cps."

That's not what I said is it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

But I do wonder what the CPS are playing at with these recent cases.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plenty of compensation possible these days. If a celeb gave you a hug in the 70's people think they have a chance of claiming compensation there doesn't really have to have anything occurred its no different from fictitious accident claims that 10,000 plus a year are claimed for even if it didn't happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a very big difference between the serious rape allegations made against other celebrities and the relatively minor harassment charges against DLT

Very difficult and don't know why they were brought to court. Probably because of what John Peel wrote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No surprise. "

Exactly. These cases will tumble now.

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By *ctaviusStuntMan
over a year ago

plymouth

there is so much ignorance around this subject and these cases that i want to scream.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"I think there is an argument for it all to be legally private i.e. blanket media gag. Even Tweets banned.

Once there is a successful prosecution then and only then a press release.

Yes there will still be leaks but if the leakers are punished sufficiently the leaks will be less."

And if the leaks come from another country ?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

People have tried and found guilty on these forums a year or so ago.....

Many times a different outcome once the appropriate judicial process is followed

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Been tried*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People often try the celebrity character rather than the real individual and the evidence via social media.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't receive compensation from accusing someone of a crime, for that you have to pursue a civil case.

The thing is that even if found not guilty of a crime, anyone accused of such crimes may still have to go to court to answer a civil case and in this circumstance they may lose.

So they could be not guilty of a crime but found culpable in a civil case and have to pay their victim compensation.

This is down to the balance of probabilities. In a criminal case you have to be 99% sure that the accused committed the crime. In civil matters you only need to be 51% sure. That is a big difference.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

You don't receive compensation from accusing someone of a crime, for that you have to pursue a civil case."

Actually that is not quite true, if you are the victim of crime and someone is convicted for the offense the court can award you criminal injuries compensation.

"The thing is that even if found not guilty of a crime, anyone accused of such crimes may still have to go to court to answer a civil case and in this circumstance they may lose.

So they could be not guilty of a crime but found culpable in a civil case and have to pay their victim compensation.

This is down to the balance of probabilities. In a criminal case you have to be 99% sure that the accused committed the crime. In civil matters you only need to be 51% sure. That is a big difference.

Its highly unlikely that anyone will try to sue any of these innocent men because the accusers will lose their right to anonymity if they do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think when people say that the prosecution is a waste of time, let's not forget Stuart Hall's conviction based on a confession."

See the key word there is confession, I'm not saying don't investigate it and pull them in for questioning, but if they don't confess there is no evidence to convict them so the case shouldn't even get to court, the cps should of thrown it out months ago, he may well be guilty but he's just kept his mouth shut

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lets us not forget the hell he has been in. 12 not guilty counts and two where the jurors could not get a 100% agreement say a lot to me. Let's hope this will end the guilty until proven not guilty that the people seem to have when it comes to big names. I for one say the cps should pay his full legal bill.

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By *ue care and attentionWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

DLT hasn't yet been cleared of all charges and is back in court on the 24th February.

If victims were named it would dramatically ruduce the number of genuine victims coming forward. It's very difficult to prosecute an historic allegation but the CPS must have had sufficient evidence before they recommended charging.

Many cases fail on technicalities as the burden of proof is so high. Some then get proven in a civil court on the balance of probabilities.

Compensation can be awarded in court but criminal injuries payments are usually awarded by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority, a separate independent adjudicator

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

That's why they're doing it,they don't seem to be getting the real culprits around downing st and parliament "

or the catholic church.

ooops, did i say that out loud ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is unlikely that he face a retrial but you never do know. as for the CPS they do not follow the same rules for everyone. This comes from a layer friend of mine she seen case sent to court by the CPS only to be kick out by the judge at the first hearing. I for one agree that victims names need to be keep secret. But so would the accused names as well, until proven guilty. Civil courts are not criminal courts a civil court only has to give the balance of probabilities that he did it is proof this wrong and should never been seen as finding some guilty in a criminal court.

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By *ctaviusStuntMan
over a year ago

plymouth

I dont think these threads should be allowed on here. To many ignorant propagandist posts. Still always good for a blocking session

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When it happened if it did happen, most would have been laughed out of the police station. Most of the charges as far as I'm aware have been for minor sexual assaults. Groping someone without permission wasn't taken as seriously in those days.

It's hard enough to prove some cases of sexual assault as it is, proving something that happened 30-40 odd years ago without any physical evidence is near on impossible.

Its their word against his which is not really enough to convict a person on.

Being found not guilty doesn't mean he is innocent, it may mean there wasn't enough evidence to prove he was guilty.

I had the misfortune of knowing a few particularly nasty criminals, they were found not guilty on many occasions, not because they were innocent but because they couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that they had carried out the crimes.

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By *ue care and attentionWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

It's hard enough to prove some cases of sexual assault as it is, proving something that happened 30-40 odd years ago without any physical evidence is near on impossible.

Its their word against his which is not really enough to convict a person on.

Being found not guilty doesn't mean he is innocent, it may mean there wasn't enough evidence to prove he was guilty.

My point entirely. Innocent in a court of law doesn't necessarily mean the offence didn't take place, it can mean it couldn't be proved. In some courts there is a 'not proven' disposal instead of not guilty. Very different.

I do think it is too easy to make an allegation that can damage someone for life. Pupils often make allegations against teachers out of vindictiveness or malice but the stigma sticks.

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By *ue care and attentionWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

"I dont think these threads should be allowed on here. To many ignorant propagandist posts. Still always good for a blocking session

I trust your comment starts with you? Who are you to assume everyone else is ignorant because they want to discuss headline news. Some people have stronger opinions than others, some maybe misguided but don't assume all are ignorant.

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By *himanMan
over a year ago

chichester

Yet another cps fuck up !!

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By *ctaviusStuntMan
over a year ago

plymouth

"I dont think these threads should be allowed on here. To many ignorant propagandist posts. Still always good for a blocking session

This isnt a subject i am ignorant on or obviously i wouldnt have said what i did. It is patently obvious that most posters are ignorant. A strong opinion is one thing, but a strong opinion that is ignorant on this particular subject, is insensitive and offends others should be called out for what it is.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

It's hard enough to prove some cases of sexual assault as it is, proving something that happened 30-40 odd years ago without any physical evidence is near on impossible.

Its their word against his which is not really enough to convict a person on.

Being found not guilty doesn't mean he is innocent, it may mean there wasn't enough evidence to prove he was guilty.

This is part of the case for anonymity. Being found not guilty DOES mean he's innocent. In fact, he's innocent until proven guilty.

The jury heard all the evidence and saw both defendant and witnesses/aggrieved cross examined and saw how they responded to it. They were satisfied, on most of the cases, of his innocence. It's unlikely there will be a retrial on the other two.

If the mere making of an allegation necessarily means the offence took place why have a trail? Just sentence the accused and be done with it.

The are those that will say 'he got away with it' and 'no smoke without fire'. This is unfair and will ruin, potentially, the career of many famous accused persons. Sponsors and those that may have previously given offers of work will shun them for reasons given at the start of this paragraph. Thankfully, ITV stuck by Bill Roach but his trial and all the stress beforehand will have taken an enormous physical and emotional toll.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's why they're doing it,they don't seem to be getting the real culprits around downing st and parliament

or the catholic church.

ooops, did i say that out loud ?

Yes, but not loud enough.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"I dont think these threads should be allowed on here. To many ignorant propagandist posts. Still always good for a blocking session

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..get your block button at the ready ..of course dlt is guilty of course old ken boy is guilty .i admit not in the eyes of the law because they cant prove it.im no goin to list why they are guilty but do you really think big dlt worked and socialized with jimmy the beast and was oblivious ..theres thousands not hundreds guilty that wil never pay in the eyes of the law only because they cant prove it.and the only reason that wee SCum bag hall is in jail is because he cracked under pressure..so what does that make kenni boy and dlt .ken is good at hiding the guilt but im afraid dlt is easily one of the guiltiest lookin and he's goin through the motions but wouldn't be surprised if he drops dead from a heart attack tomorrow..he's in the grip of guilt. x

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

The accused should be afforded the same anonymity as the victim until a verdict has been reached, all this trial by media is ruining people's careers and lives. "

Totally agree Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont think these threads should be allowed on here. To many ignorant propagandist posts. Still always good for a blocking session

..get your block button at the ready ..of course dlt is guilty of course old ken boy is guilty .i admit not in the eyes of the law because they cant prove it.im no goin to list why they are guilty but do you really think big dlt worked and socialized with jimmy the beast and was oblivious ..theres thousands not hundreds guilty that wil never pay in the eyes of the law only because they cant prove it.and the only reason that wee SCum bag hall is in jail is because he cracked under pressure..so what does that make kenni boy and dlt .ken is good at hiding the guilt but im afraid dlt is easily one of the guiltiest lookin and he's goin through the motions but wouldn't be surprised if he drops dead from a heart attack tomorrow..he's in the grip of guilt. x"

No he's not guilty - the court found him not guilty and failed to reach a verdict on 2 other charges. Unless you have evidence to the contrary I'm afraid you need to accept the decision of the court whether you like it or not, in fact what you are saying on here could well be classed as slanderous or even libel.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"I dont think these threads should be allowed on here. To many ignorant propagandist posts. Still always good for a blocking session

Excellent. That's a great way to simplify the system. Don't bother with a trial. Just assemble a panel of people to see who 'looks' guilty. Hey, you could be on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's hard enough to prove some cases of sexual assault as it is, proving something that happened 30-40 odd years ago without any physical evidence is near on impossible.

Its their word against his which is not really enough to convict a person on.

Being found not guilty doesn't mean he is innocent, it may mean there wasn't enough evidence to prove he was guilty.

This is part of the case for anonymity. Being found not guilty DOES mean he's innocent. In fact, he's innocent until proven guilty.

If the mere making of an allegation necessarily means the offence took place why have a trail? Just sentence the accused and be done with it.

Okay on a technical _iewpoint he is innocent, that doesn't mean he didn't carry out whatever acts he was accused of though, it means it couldn't be proved that he carried out the acts... So is considered innocent in the eyes of the law.

I do think the case for anonymity for suspects until proven guilty should be looked at. As soon as you start removing the anonymity of the accusers then that will put off people reporting assaults.

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By *r Mahogany70Man
over a year ago

Leicester

How many women reading these words have been raped/sexually assaulted but been too afraid to report the perpetrator for fear of "being blamed", not believed, or fear of reprisals? Not a few would be my guess.

Just as there are innocent people in prison there are many walking the streets as a result of not guilty verdicts due to lack of evidence.

A not guilty does not necessarily mean innocent of all charges.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"How many women reading these words have been raped/sexually assaulted but been too afraid to report the perpetrator for fear of "being blamed", not believed, or fear of reprisals? Not a few would be my guess.

Just as there are innocent people in prison there are many walking the streets as a result of not guilty verdicts due to lack of evidence.

A not guilty does not necessarily mean innocent of all charges."

I agree - and they know what they did, I think that a lot of women just waited too long to speak out in and certain circumstances I can totally understand that if the assault was serious, but if some one touched my arse 20 years ago I wouldn't bring it up now! Z

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

ok allegedly .is that me covered
"I dont think these threads should be allowed on here. To many ignorant propagandist posts. Still always good for a blocking session

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

just heard the woman that dlt allegedly abused but of course she was just putting an act on and she's a phantasist

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

Just wonder who's the best act, someone in media controlled by the BBC or a woman abused.

For some actors it could be just another script.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just as there are innocent people in prison there are many walking the streets as a result of not guilty verdicts due to lack of evidence.

A not guilty does not necessarily mean innocent of all charges."

Not guilty means not guilty of the charges brought against him. Do you know of any others that weren't brought to court or are you talking about mythical possibilities?

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

do these not guilty verdits mean all these women who come forward are all liars and fantasists ... what if there is some truth in their allegations ... does this give guys carte blanche to molest women without fear of justice.. its only one word against another ..laws are there to protect victims ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"do these not guilty verdits mean all these women who come forward are all liars and fantasists ... what if there is some truth in their allegations ... does this give guys carte blanche to molest women without fear of justice.. its only one word against another ..laws are there to protect victims .. "

Do you believe the verdict was wrong? What do you base your assumptions on. Of the 300 plus pages of statements how many did you read to make that assumption?

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . ."
Good? Why?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . ."

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . ."

bit of a strange stance to take..?

would you accept that premise for you and your family where they accused of a crime and found innocent as per due process..?

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .Good? Why?

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because they abused girls and women when they were young men and im sure as older men they have punished themselves internally but it wasn't enough..anyone that actually believes these men didn't lay a finger on these girls i just cant understand.im no trying to change anyone's mind on their belief but i do think you must be very ....I've forgotten how to spell the word but naive ?that doesn't look right you know what i mean. x x X

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .

bit of a strange stance to take..?

would you accept that premise for you and your family where they accused of a crime and found innocent as per due process..?"
i would know whether a member of my family was guilty of the crime and even if it was murder i would probably try to protect them and lie

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .Good? Why?

because they abused girls and women when they were young men and im sure as older men they have punished themselves internally but it wasn't enough..anyone that actually believes these men didn't lay a finger on these girls i just cant understand.im no trying to change anyone's mind on their belief but i do think you must be very ....I've forgotten how to spell the word but naive ?that doesn't look right you know what i mean. x x X"

Well, the jury believed he didn't and it was their job to make the decision. Following your logic, why bother with a trial at all?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .

bit of a strange stance to take..?

would you accept that premise for you and your family where they accused of a crime and found innocent as per due process..? i would know whether a member of my family was guilty of the crime and even if it was murder i would probably try to protect them and lie "

your naive if you actually believe that..

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .Good? Why?

Well, the jury believed he didn't and it was their job to make the decision. Following your logic, why bother with a trial at all?"
you dont have to be a bookie to know the odds of gettin a guilty verdict was very slim but those women knew that and are stil glad they have spoke out..if the its a knockout guy hall hadn't cracked and confessed he would have been found innocent as well.was he innocent no..the rest are just better bare faced liars and who knows maybe some wil confess or a family member wil have revelations in the future and you can drop me a line saying sorry for doubting you. x x X

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .

bit of a strange stance to take..?

your naive if you actually believe that..

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do you mean am i naive to believe they abused women ?.,if that makes you happy yes. x x X

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

ive assumed nothing .. im just suggesting there may be some truth in what the women alledged to have happened .. i would not subject myself to all the rigmarole and stress of a court case unless my claims were true

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .

bit of a strange stance to take..?

your naive if you actually believe that..

do you mean am i naive to believe they abused women ?.,if that makes you happy yes. x x X"

no, that you seem to think you would know whether a family member had commited a crime..

people lie to their families, wives, husbands all the time and get away with it..

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .

bit of a strange stance to take..?

your naive if you actually believe that..

do you mean am i naive to believe they abused women ?.,if that makes you happy yes. x x X

no, that you seem to think you would know whether a family member had commited a crime..

people lie to their families, wives, husbands all the time and get away with it..

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its obviously impossible for you to have any idea what my family and i are like and Thats okay. x x X

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over a year ago

"ive assumed nothing .. im just suggesting there may be some truth in what the women alledged to have happened .. i would not subject myself to all the rigmarole and stress of a court case unless my claims were true "

Interesting so if someone brought a claim against yourself it would be automatically true if they went through all the rigmarole and stress to take it to court? People are strange, people want fame in weird ways people also want compensation. People what compensation no matter if it happened or not sadly.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

someone is lying .. why did dlt and the corry actor get singled out if the compensation motive was the only cause .. if that was the case then every celebrity would have at least ten or so sexual allegations against them ..

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Due process has been followed and it's a not guilty verdict. End of.

You can't say there's no justice if you don't like the result.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"someone is lying .. why did dlt and the corry actor get singled out if the compensation motive was the only cause .. if that was the case then every celebrity would have at least ten or so sexual allegations against them .. "

Someone is lying that's true that's what the court case was for to find out which way all the information presented pointed. The media have published these cases not unlike all the no win no claim adds on tv. You often get people thinking they will have some of that. There is no doubt the people making accusations have seen solicitors and no doubt they have been told if they win they can put in a civil case for damages after all we live in a claim culture there is little morality these days with many. We are not talking a single claim here we are talking many jumping on the bandwagon and its strange not one incident has led to a conviction with the 2 from corrie and not DLT so it makes you think. The CPS is getting grief over the lack of trials the police are accused of not taking attacks seriously so a few high profile cases can be rolled out and they can say we did this and that. You will always get the no smoke without fire people the world is full of haters but equally if there really is fire then why no conviction. Personally I think its a huge waste for tax payers money and polygraph tests should have been used on both sides ok they are not 100% accurate but with 96% rate and only 2 parties there would have been a big chance of getting the truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not Guilty = Innocent. the accusers have made victims of the accused.

Jim Davidson was also accused but could prove he was not in the place the attack was supposed to have taken place at the time it was supposed to have taken place. Weirdly enough there are people out there that will level false accusations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not Guilty = Innocent. the accusers have made victims of the accused.

The Jim Davison was appalling yet it still cost him £100,000 and more in lost revenue there is something seriously wrong with society that people can make false claims for greed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . ."

How is that good ? What part of NOT GUILTY don't you understand ? or put it another way, how would you feel if a girl made a totally untrue allegation against you then you went to court and were totally absolved of all charges and walked out of court with nothing more than a damaged reputation - would you be still be so keen to say how god it was ???

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I have tended not to follow the current celebrity abuse cases until a verdict has been reached. Until that point all are innocent until proven otherwise.

I hope all who are falsely accused recover their lives and reputations.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"About time the people who accuse are put in the dock "

Some people who accuse others of various crimes, including sexual offences, would be arrested and could face trial, if there was evidence.

But in the UK we have very poor reporting of sexual offenses, and we should be welcoming of those who report, however long ago that it was.

The CPS re_iew all material, including the reasons that people have taken a long time to report crimes. The nature of many crimes often leaves the victims in poor state of mind. The lapsed time is no indication that they should be put in the dock - they are the victims. Just as a not guilty verdict does not mean that all of the accused would be innocent.

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By *r Mahogany70Man
over a year ago

Leicester

Just as there are innocent people in prison there are many walking the streets as a result of not guilty verdicts due to lack of evidence.

A not guilty does not necessarily mean innocent of all charges.

Not guilty means not guilty of the charges brought against him. Do you know of any others that weren't brought to court or are you talking about mythical possibilities?"

Are you saying that no innocent person has ever been sent to prison and everyone that has received a not guilty verdict is innocent?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Better 100 walk free than we convict an innocent man (sic).

I'm reminded of the murder case in Bristol just a few years ago. The university lecturer who was originally arrested for that one was found actually to be completely innocent. But he had the most horrendous time of it by media trial. The crux of it being that he was a bit weird looking. The poor guy went through hell over that. I'm not sure how any of us would cope with that.

DLT has been cleared. If we are to accept the legal system in place in our own country, then we must accept the verdicts our peers - twelve good men and true and all that - hand down. Either that or we change the system.

To Kill a Mocking Bird, peeps. It's as good a lesson as any for those who would favour a trial by suspicion, based on not much.

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

"Don't quite know how to respond to that.

Very mixed thoughts!"

You would have prefered a guilty verdict ?

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

"About time the people who accuse are put in the dock

No they shouldn't. "

Why not ?

They are guilty of commiting crimes. Perverting the course of justice, wasting police time and purjury. Why should they not be prosecuted ?

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

"But I do wonder what the CPS are playing at with these recent cases. "

Damage limitation ?

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

"just heard the woman that dlt allegedly abused but of course she was just putting an act on and she's a phantasist"

So, heaven forbid, someone made a malicious false allegation against you and you were maintaining your innocence, how would you feel if your own rationale was used against you ?

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By *olwaySonarMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

Absolutely

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .

bit of a strange stance to take..?

your naive if you actually believe that..

do you mean am i naive to believe they abused women ?.,if that makes you happy yes. x x X

no, that you seem to think you would know whether a family member had commited a crime..

people lie to their families, wives, husbands all the time and get away with it..

its obviously impossible for you to have any idea what my family and i are like and Thats okay. x x X"

So we take it that you know DLT's family and have every idea what they're like ?

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By *ctaviusStuntMan
over a year ago

plymouth

"just heard the woman that dlt allegedly abused but of course she was just putting an act on and she's a phantasist

So, heaven forbid, someone made a malicious false allegation against you and you were maintaining your innocence, how would you feel if your own rationale was used against you ?"

Not guilty as not proved beyond a reasonable doubt doesnt mean what was accused did not happen. So if you think people shouldnt accuse without basis in fact then maybe you shouldnt accuse the accusers of lying maliciously. Your rationale back at ya !

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By *randmrsminxyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Take a look on the criminal injuries web site. It shows you how much you will receive for this type of claim . it shows you how to start your claim and amounts even if there is a not guilty verdict . You can make your accusation against any one of us one this forum//site . You remain in the dark while the accused is named . If no charges are brought or a not guilty verdict is given you carry no blame and still get your compo ,while the accused receives no legal aid .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looks to me as if some women are coming forward to complain of a bad fumble, or they though they were going to get a relationship out of the grope...and lumping all their bad sexual experiences with men and blaming those with money.

Not as if they had a knife and balaclava is it!!!

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By *ctaviusStuntMan
over a year ago

plymouth

"Looks to me as if some women are coming forward to complain of a bad fumble, or they though they were going to get a relationship out of the grope...and lumping all their bad sexual experiences with men and blaming those with money.

Not as if they had a knife and balaclava is it!!!

With statements like that and a _iew like that i cant help wonder if you should be on this site.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Not as if they had a knife and balaclava is it!!!

what a sad and pathetic comment..

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

"just heard the woman that dlt allegedly abused but of course she was just putting an act on and she's a phantasist

So, heaven forbid, someone made a malicious false allegation against you and you were maintaining your innocence, how would you feel if your own rationale was used against you ?

The FACT is he was found not guilty by a jury.

Jog on...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does somebody just have to say, 'he interfered with me' and you are fast tracked to court regardless of evidence???

These acquittals are making a mockery of the whole process.

I worry for real victims in the future as the law is looking a complete ass at the moment.

and guilty people will walk free"

In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. The biggest dangers with these historic accusations is the perception amongst some that there is no smoke without trial.

DLT has had to sell his house to defend himself. This has emotionally and financially nearly ruined an old man. He may never fully recover.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Surely the CPS will only go to trial where there's a reasonable expectation of a conviction and in a situation like this where there is (as I understand it) no DNA, no independent eye witnesses, no CCTV etc, that was never going to be the case.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

jimmys besto dlt ..he must be thinkin "jimmy ya cunt you drop deed and i get all the shite its no fair".Aw poor old dlt what a shame you cuddley wee monkey

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

so going on soem replies does anyone have real faith in our justice system or do you only have faith in it depending on the crime and what the accused looks like?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"so going on soem replies does anyone have real faith in our justice system or do you only have faith in it depending on the crime and what the accused looks like?"

I still have faith in the jury system. If there's no evidence, they won't convict.

BTW, and not talking about Travis, no evidence of a crime doesn't mean a crime didn't happen.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"so going on soem replies does anyone have real faith in our justice system or do you only have faith in it depending on the crime and what the accused looks like?

I still have faith in the jury system. If there's no evidence, they won't convict.

BTW, and not talking about Travis, no evidence of a crime doesn't mean a crime didn't happen."

Yes I'm well aware of that and I have faith in the jury system too.

I don't believe you should blindly trust in the justice system every institution needs to be questioned but it seems to me that people are far more likely to accept that someone is innocent of certain crimes than others.

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .

bit of a strange stance to take..?

So you're saying you would lie to the police and in court ? Kind of blows your stance about people being honest in these matters and not making things up out of the water don't you think ?

And what if a member of your family was accused of being a rapist or a paedophile. Would you still lie for them then ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Surely the CPS will only go to trial where there's a reasonable expectation of a conviction and in a situation like this where there is (as I understand it) no DNA, no independent eye witnesses, no CCTV etc, that was never going to be the case."

It is the nature of this sort of crime that years after it occured it will always come down to one word against another.

The CPS has to try and assess the situation in inter_iews, but if someone has spent the 40 years since they were a teenager re-running an alledged assault in their mind, for the "victim" it will be a reality. They are even likely to pass a lie detector test. What is the CPS to do? They can only try and build a case.

Disclaimer: nothing in the above comment should be taken as suggesting that the guilty should not be punished or that all allegations of sexual assault are made up.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .

bit of a strange stance to take..?

So you're saying you would lie to the police and in court ? Kind of blows your stance about people being honest in these matters and not making things up out of the water don't you think ?

And what if a member of your family was accused of being a rapist or a paedophile. Would you still lie for them then ?"
no one in my family i capable of rape or pedophilia..but would i lie to the police and court to save one of my family?,that totally depends on the situation but dont try to make out that im the odd one out for saying its possible that i would lie to the police a high percentage of the police arent spotless just like the human race as a whole.. what world do you live in ?.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .

bit of a strange stance to take..?

So you're saying you would lie to the police and in court ? Kind of blows your stance about people being honest in these matters and not making things up out of the water don't you think ?

And what if a member of your family was accused of being a rapist or a paedophile. Would you still lie for them then ? no one in my family i capable of rape or pedophilia.."
How do you know that?

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

"they have been found innocent but their name and life wil never be the same...good . . .

bit of a strange stance to take..?

So you're saying you would lie to the police and in court ? Kind of blows your stance about people being honest in these matters and not making things up out of the water don't you think ?

And what if a member of your family was accused of being a rapist or a paedophile. Would you still lie for them then ? no one in my family i capable of rape or pedophilia..but would i lie to the police and court to save one of my family?,that totally depends on the situation but dont try to make out that im the odd one out for saying its possible that i would lie to the police a high percentage of the police arent spotless just like the human race as a whole.. what world do you live in ?."

We live in the real world. Unlike yourself who seem to be claiming you have a sixth sense and can detect what people are capable of. And you're not being made the odd one out, because you ARE the only person who said you would lie to the police.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

" no one in my family i capable of rape or pedophilia..."

your profiling capabilities will be of use to the authorities

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

" no one in my family i capable of rape or pedophilia...

your profiling capabilities will be of use to the authorities

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Funnily enough I was thinking the same.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

" no one in my family i capable of rape or pedophilia...

your profiling capabilities will be of use to the authorities

Funnily enough I was thinking the same.

fuck the authorities and fuck the police..you dont faze me in the slightest .and if you actually knew me you would know im no a trouble maker and i dont expect anyone to agree with my _iews. but those are my _iews and i know im a good person and i know i can sense a bad person from 50yards.."

dont think anyone on here has said your a troublemaker tbh..

you have your opinions and other's have theirs and whilst your saying stuff that most folks will look at and go 'really' as in your sixth sense from 50yds its reasonable to expect that such statements will be questioned..

thats the nature of a public forum..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should jail the useless bastard police and fukkin prosecution Mongs for wastin public fukkin money!

In fairness the police don't bring the case to court they just gather the evidence and give it to the CPS. "

& then sell the info to The Sun for readies or favourable publicity!!

??The British police are the best in the world??i don't believe one of these stories I'm told..........??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" i know im a good person and i know i can sense a bad person from 50yards.."

That in itself would be a remarkable ability, but apparently you can now also detect bad people from photo's and video images.

I am sure that you could make an absolute fortune preventing criminals and whilst saving the cost of police and courts.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

" i know im a good person and i know i can sense a bad person from 50yards..

That in itself would be a remarkable ability, but apparently you can now also detect bad people from photo's and video images.

I am sure that you could make an absolute fortune preventing criminals and whilst saving the cost of police and courts."
. .if only the world was as simple. but its no and i dont want to be a judge or executioner anyway so i just say my opinion from time to time on this forum..and i cant literally tell what a total stranger is like from 50yards ..but given a wee bit of time with them and me and whole lota other ppl can and do make opinions on someone because they usually give the game away without realising.. and in life we usually give the person a few chances just to make sure but most of the time the first inkling that someone is dodgey for whatever reason is proved to be right..and a lot of the mistakes we make in life are forgivable but the subject matter on this post is non forgivable.and there is no way in my mind these guys are clean of guilt.i believe the women .some of which were much younger than 16 at the time.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

Not guilty

Not named.

Should be law.

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over a year ago

" i know im a good person and i know i can sense a bad person from 50yards..

That in itself would be a remarkable ability, but apparently you can now also detect bad people from photo's and video images.

I am sure that you could make an absolute fortune preventing criminals and whilst saving the cost of police and courts.. .if only the world was as simple. but its no and i dont want to be a judge or executioner anyway so i just say my opinion from time to time on this forum..and i cant literally tell what a total stranger is like from 50yards ..but given a wee bit of time with them and me and whole lota other ppl can and do make opinions on someone because they usually give the game away without realising.. and in life we usually give the person a few chances just to make sure but most of the time the first inkling that someone is dodgey for whatever reason is proved to be right..and a lot of the mistakes we make in life are forgivable but the subject matter on this post is non forgivable.and there is no way in my mind these guys are clean of guilt.i believe the women .some of which were much younger than 16 at the time."

What you are saying you could do is exactly what happens. A bunch of people "the jury" do get to see the accused and spend time with them, maybe not on a one to one basis, but They see how they react to questions and listen to their response. They get to see the reaction to the victim when that person is questioned. All whilst they are under pressure. So you are suggesting that every person on that jury doesn't have any interpretation of their fellow human beings emotions or body language.

I'm sure I heard something along the lines of the girl who accused the guy who played Kevin in corrie that she did admit to making it up in the end and she said she did due to some traumatic thing that had happened. So it's very sad that is the case, but she has nearly fucked up someone else's life with her lies regardless of whether he's a celebrity or in the public eye... How is that fair?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

anyone innocent..put urself in the shoes of being accused as being guilty...

I read in a reputable paper in my eyes..(the metro FFS!), he showed 'no emotion in court'..

HOW THE FUCK CAN ANYONE KNOW HE SHOWED NO EMOTION

we(the press starts it) vilify people based on ONE snapshot sometime..to make them 'look' like a monster..to make it appear we can then dissect in our brains who is most likely to look like an axe murderer or pedophile

I'm not defending anyone..I'm defending the right to remain INNOCENT until proven guilty

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over a year ago

" i know im a good person and i know i can sense a bad person from 50yards..

That in itself would be a remarkable ability, but apparently you can now also detect bad people from photo's and video images.

Utterly disturbing post. How would you feel if you were hauled off in the night, convicted of a crime purely on the basis of what a 24hour media chose to serve up?!

There's no smoke without fire, is that what you're saying?

What utter, cretinous nonsense.

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over a year ago

" i know im a good person and i know i can sense a bad person from 50yards..

That in itself would be a remarkable ability, but apparently you can now also detect bad people from photo's and video images.

Utterly disturbing post. How would you feel if you were hauled off in the night, convicted of a crime purely on the basis of what a 24hour media chose to serve up?!

There's no smoke without fire, is that what you're saying?

What utter, cretinous nonsense.

or someone who has lived with what happened to them throughout their life, it ruined them as a person etc etc

I might sound really harsh...but I have worked with young people who were abused in many forms...they didnt have to say who abused them..they were most of the time physically/mentally scarred people...and we are talking about children aged 12-18 in my experiences.

I dont know how anyone should simply be allowed to say something happened to them 40 years ago and it hasnt affected their lives(its not about coming forward to bring justice to the perpetrator), so will now say it has.

I think its time in these cases, polygraphs etc...must give some added evidence..they might not be 100% but neither is a recollection from many years ago...with no real witnesses other than the possible perpetrator and possible victim.

I hope I'm not sounding 'anti'- people coming out against abuse/sexual abuse...but for most of whats been happening over the recent years..its been a media frenzy...with little to account for innocent until proven guilty as our FIRST resolve

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh, come on, it almost sounds as though a lot of people actually have faith in our judicial system!!!

........Shaun The Sheep is on later!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh, come on, it almost sounds as though a lot of people actually have faith in our judicial system!!!

........Shaun The Sheep is on later!!

I dont always...but there has to be balance..the celebrities are only just giving us an insight to people who have been respected in their lives...the common man/woman, might just accept there is no way of fighting against their possible conviction.The fictitious and ordinary Mr Ron(or Mrs Ronalda) burbundy...who look a bit odd, dont have many friends..and like children, in the purest sense of liking..could be in the same situation.

No high powered lawyers...hardly anyone to back up their defense, need OUR justice system to know that false accusations will ruin their lives.Then when social media plays its part..we subject these people to some utterly amazing and disgusting comments and with the power of people to follow blindly one word and carry out heinous acts, such as those who targeted the pediatricians believing they had targeted a bunch of pedophiles...which in any case is not how I see how justice should be distributed.

I keep saying imagine how U would feel if it happened to U(being the perp), what if one of ur closest friends was being accused?(and ur sure of their innocence)-would social media sway u?

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over a year ago

"Oh, come on, it almost sounds as though a lot of people actually have faith in our judicial system!!!

........Shaun The Sheep is on later!!

I keep saying imagine how U would feel if it happened to U(being the perp), what if one of ur closest friends was being accused?(and ur sure of their innocence)-would social media sway u? "

You were doing ssssoooooooo well till u becum

ovawelmd by text speak, innit!!

When I was a wee kiddie, I used to think D L T was up his own arse; - maybe he got bored, innit!!

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over a year ago

"About time the people who accuse are put in the dock "

oh they will not do that they should then give same sentence the accused would have got to deter false claims.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

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over a year ago

ayrshire

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over a year ago

"Just wonder who's the best act, someone in media controlled by the BBC or a woman abused.

For some actors it could be just another script."

DLT is a disc jocky not an actor.

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over a year ago

"does.

that means you think the man with the tracksuit and cigar is innocent too... ?"

Sad thing about all this is because they waited till he was dead there will never be a trial.

So as he will never be proven guilty guess in the eyes of the law he is innocent.

Probably why the cps are rushing these 80+ year olds into court just in case.

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over a year ago

In other news, Freddie Starr has been arrested for the fourth time in connection with Operation Yewtree.

Makes you wonder..........

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"Just wonder who's the best act, someone in media controlled by the BBC or a woman abused.

For some actors it could be just another script.

DLT is a disc jocky not an actor."
.Thats why ken can look so convincing...i think hes said some crazy shit before he was charged about rape but was a master at pulling it back.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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"Just wonder who's the best act, someone in media controlled by the BBC or a woman abused.

For some actors it could be just another script.

DLT is a disc jocky not an actor. .Thats why ken can look so convincing...i think hes said some crazy shit before he was charged about rape but was a master at pulling it back."

If all the crazy shit that people said on here was used against them in a court of law there would be some pretty odd evidence given.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

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i think we have to be very.... very careful about what we say so far...

remember that there are 2 charges outstanding... and until the CPS decided whether to press for a retrial (which should be this week) i think actually we shouldn't talk about anything that could hinder

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over a year ago

"i think we have to be very.... very careful about what we say so far...

I agree..but hasnt the press really said enough?..almost every person knows about each allegation..a few details of the cases so far.Even if found innocent..the finger will always be there.

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