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By *empting Devil. OP   Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

Some people have been flooded and or without power since Christmas.

Yet no sooner does the Thames flood then it's the top story on the news and the Prime Minister is promising to throw money at the problem.

I knew there was a North South divide but never has the Capital centric attitude been more obvious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree, though it's not just a North/South or capital-centric issue as parts of the south west were flooded a long time ago too. It's as you say, as soon as it's hit the money-belt of Surrey that they've bothered to give a shit.

Protecting their own with the snouts in the trough as usual.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree, though it's not just a North/South or capital-centric issue as parts of the south west were flooded a long time ago too. It's as you say, as soon as it's hit the money-belt of Surrey that they've bothered to give a shit.

Protecting their own with the snouts in the trough as usual."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people have been flooded and or without power since Christmas.

Yet no sooner does the Thames flood then it's the top story on the news and the Prime Minister is promising to throw money at the problem.

I knew there was a North South divide but never has the Capital centric attitude been more obvious. "

What did you think would happen? as soon as it hits tory land then do something about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't be bothered to write it out again, I posted this earlier on another thread.

Somerset has been flooded for weeks, now the affluent banks of the River Thames have been flooded and the effluent has hit the fan. What do they expect the Army to do, form a chain with buckets?

The majority of people living upon the banks of the River Thames have paid a high premium for their riverside location, did they think they would be immune to the forces of nature? Do they want us to subsidise their expensive choice of property location.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

He is visiting the SW and not the Surrey belt though.

Hitting Oxford and Berks as it has though is really important as that's his constituency and where his home is located.

The work that could have prevented some of this was deemed unnecessary as they would be too expensive in these times of austerity. Now that it will cost at least double, probably more, the money can be found. Ideology over sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oxford flooding, the clue is in the name, as to the Thames corridor, live next to a river, expect to get wet. Somerset levels, underwater until drained, stop draining them, surprise surprise, they're underwater again.

I really don't understand why there's so much finger pointing and blaming, it rains lots, it floods.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

there was a 94 year old man on the news just now all wrapped up waiting to be taken to temporary accommodation.

god bless the soul

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Oxford has been flooded for months too though. Its Berkshire and counties closer to London that have got things moving.

I know its absolutely awful for all the people having to experience all this weather, but I have to say it makes a change for York not to be under water.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm no fan of Cameron but it says much about the British media's interest in the matter is that almost the first question at the #10 press conference was 'when are you going to sack someone?'

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

torys in help their core voters shocker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have to say as a town that floods twice a year every year we are always ignored in the national press and we have learned to deal with it. Our flood defences cost 12 million a few years back and it's designed to store the water, it is working even though the river was 26cm below the highest ever recorded on Sunday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They didn't bother with Somerset, that's Lib/Dem land

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"They didn't bother with Somerset, that's Lib/Dem land"

Not for long.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have to say as a town that floods twice a year every year we are always ignored in the national press and we have learned to deal with it. Our flood defences cost 12 million a few years back and it's designed to store the water, it is working even though the river was 26cm below the highest ever recorded on Sunday "

Where the proper investment has been made the defences have done the job. The bill now as someone else has pointed out will be enormous compared to the original cost to get this right. Call me an old fashioned Keynesian, but if the money had been invested, jobs would have been created, economy would have been stimulated and disastrous flooding would have been averted.

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By *ecor atorMan
over a year ago

York

York or Hull arnt flooded for once. Makes a change to see the panic that ensues once it happens darn sarf!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Have to say as a town that floods twice a year every year we are always ignored in the national press and we have learned to deal with it. Our flood defences cost 12 million a few years back and it's designed to store the water, it is working even though the river was 26cm below the highest ever recorded on Sunday

Where the proper investment has been made the defences have done the job. The bill now as someone else has pointed out will be enormous compared to the original cost to get this right. Call me an old fashioned Keynesian, but if the money had been invested, jobs would have been created, economy would have been stimulated and disastrous flooding would have been averted. "

You're always going to get the 'why should we pay for something which isn't joint to benefit us' crowd.

Chris Smith said the Environment Agency had put up £400,000 for a specific flood defence scheme but none of the other 'stakeholders' would cough up their share.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do agree with that statement, prevention is better than the cure but many of the failings have been at local level not national. Common sense should dictate that if you live near water or in low lying land near water there is a likelyhood that at some point you might have a problem with it. Local government along with the EA should have been ahead of the game instead they ignored the problem until it was too late.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I live in Berkshire, parts of which have been flooded since the 9th January albeit on a smaller scale than other counties but flooded none the less causing the same misery.

It's the royal county & close to London so the media interest will of course be high. The government who have handled the crisis abysmally( remember that at the next general election!) have at last been pressurized to react accordingly & lets hope that now everyone affected wherever they live gets the help & support needed.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I think the floods need to directly affect those who should have been capable of managing the situation better. They might do something effective if it affects them. Yet housing is still allowed on flood plains....

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I would ban all of the wall to wall hard standing as well. The water needs to be able to drain and putting concrete slabs everywhere prevents this from happening.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I would ban all of the wall to wall hard standing as well. The water needs to be able to drain and putting concrete slabs everywhere prevents this from happening.

"

would tend to agree with that under 'normal circumstances' and agree that the rain needs to drain through the soil into the acquifiers etc..

but at the moment were full, the ground cant take it..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I would ban all of the wall to wall hard standing as well. The water needs to be able to drain and putting concrete slabs everywhere prevents this from happening.

would tend to agree with that under 'normal circumstances' and agree that the rain needs to drain through the soil into the acquifiers etc..

but at the moment were full, the ground cant take it.."

I know the aquifers are overflowing now but I wonder how much difference it might have made if water had the chance to drain off properly before the biblical flood came?

Sadly, I can see people forgetting about all of this come May next year, when the story will be that they saved everyone by bringing in the troops and finding the money to improve things.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

The attacks on Chris Smith in a classic deflection tactic straight from tory central office by the MP in Somerset and sandbag Pickles once the penny dropped that after 5 weeks of cobra meetings they had done fuck all and it was going wrong and a scapegoat was needed was typical crisis management..

bit like the foot and mouth debacle..

seeing all and sundry from the Government now donning wellies and looking concerned is a sign of ffs there's votes at stake here..

the money is no object statement may come back and bite Cameron on his arse methinks..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The attacks on Chris Smith in a classic deflection tactic straight from tory central office by the MP in Somerset and sandbag Pickles once the penny dropped that after 5 weeks of cobra meetings they had done fuck all and it was going wrong and a scapegoat was needed was typical crisis management..

bit like the foot and mouth debacle..

seeing all and sundry from the Government now donning wellies and looking concerned is a sign of ffs there's votes at stake here..

the money is no object statement may come back and bite Cameron on his arse methinks.."

Let's not forget George's comments that everything asked for is being provided.

Chris is a very easy target as his tenure is up in 6 months anyway.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would ban all of the wall to wall hard standing as well. The water needs to be able to drain and putting concrete slabs everywhere prevents this from happening.

would tend to agree with that under 'normal circumstances' and agree that the rain needs to drain through the soil into the acquifiers etc..

but at the moment were full, the ground cant take it..

I know the aquifers are overflowing now but I wonder how much difference it might have made if water had the chance to drain off properly before the biblical flood came?

Sadly, I can see people forgetting about all of this come May next year, when the story will be that they saved everyone by bringing in the troops and finding the money to improve things.

"

Expert opinion has it that it is better to hold as much water as possible at higher elevation so that it takes longer to work it's way downstream.

Beaver is good for this apparently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people have been flooded and or without power since Christmas.

Yet no sooner does the Thames flood then it's the top story on the news and the Prime Minister is promising to throw money at the problem.

I knew there was a North South divide but never has the Capital centric attitude been more obvious. "

Nail on the head there its quite embarrassing how priorities are made. It makes me think Scotland have a point considering leaving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The attacks on Chris Smith in a classic deflection tactic straight from tory central office by the MP in Somerset and sandbag Pickles once the penny dropped that after 5 weeks of cobra meetings they had done fuck all and it was going wrong and a scapegoat was needed was typical crisis management..

bit like the foot and mouth debacle..

seeing all and sundry from the Government now donning wellies and looking concerned is a sign of ffs there's votes at stake here..

the money is no object statement may come back and bite Cameron on his arse methinks.."

"sandbag" Pickles lol.

equality in action.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people have been flooded and or without power since Christmas.

Yet no sooner does the Thames flood then it's the top story on the news and the Prime Minister is promising to throw money at the problem.

I knew there was a North South divide but never has the Capital centric attitude been more obvious. "

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

Sadly, I can see people forgetting about all of this come May next year, when the story will be that they saved everyone by bringing in the troops and finding the money to improve things.

"

Possibly but the damage is done already and by the time the money makes any effect it will be years..

saying the money is no object is going to be thrown straight back at them by their opponents as if they had'nt cut the EA funding in 2010 some damage may have been avoided..

smacks of panic..

who was it said 'events dear boy'..?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"The attacks on Chris Smith in a classic deflection tactic straight from tory central office by the MP in Somerset and sandbag Pickles once the penny dropped that after 5 weeks of cobra meetings they had done fuck all and it was going wrong and a scapegoat was needed was typical crisis management..

bit like the foot and mouth debacle..

seeing all and sundry from the Government now donning wellies and looking concerned is a sign of ffs there's votes at stake here..

the money is no object statement may come back and bite Cameron on his arse methinks..

"sandbag" Pickles lol.

equality in action.

"

think your making assumptions based on a lack of knowledge about sandbags, their sizes and uses..

btw the quote came from an expert in flood management based upon his performance in attacking the EA head..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people have been flooded and or without power since Christmas.

Yet no sooner does the Thames flood then it's the top story on the news and the Prime Minister is promising to throw money at the problem.

I knew there was a North South divide but never has the Capital centric attitude been more obvious. "

I couldn't agree more some places are having it really hard but because they are out of the way little gets done.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Some people have been flooded and or without power since Christmas.

Yet no sooner does the Thames flood then it's the top story on the news and the Prime Minister is promising to throw money at the problem.

I knew there was a North South divide but never has the Capital centric attitude been more obvious.

......"

Yesterday was described as 'the day the effluent met the affluent'.

Nice line.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not true about the London centric slant on the floods. The Thames valley flooded over a month ago and was not reported while the cameras concentrated on Somerset

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By *raggleRocCouple
over a year ago

Morpeth


"I agree, though it's not just a North/South or capital-centric issue as parts of the south west were flooded a long time ago too. It's as you say, as soon as it's hit the money-belt of Surrey that they've bothered to give a shit.

Protecting their own with the snouts in the trough as usual."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people have been flooded and or without power since Christmas.

Yet no sooner does the Thames flood then it's the top story on the news and the Prime Minister is promising to throw money at the problem.

I knew there was a North South divide but never has the Capital centric attitude been more obvious.

......

Yesterday was described as 'the day the effluent met the affluent'.

Nice line."

It maybe a nice line for the media but for the home owners who have been dealing the effects of flooding for over a month it's not.

and we're not all affluent in the Thames Valley either...!!!

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By *empting Devil. OP   Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Not true about the London centric slant on the floods. The Thames valley flooded over a month ago and was not reported while the cameras concentrated on Somerset

"

The floods in Somerset have been an afterthought story on the news, as soon as the Thames burst its banks it was practically the only story on the news.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When were these rivers last dredged? The money given in foreign aid should be directed into getting this done, its not politics just common sense and in the interest of the country. About time politicians did something for the country instead of themselves they are all guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not true about the London centric slant on the floods. The Thames valley flooded over a month ago and was not reported while the cameras concentrated on Somerset

The floods in Somerset have been an afterthought story on the news, as soon as the Thames burst its banks it was practically the only story on the news."

errrr no because the Thames first burst it's banks on the 9th January causing flooding to Old Windsor, Runneymede, Colnbrook & parts of Wraysbury which wasn't reported nationally because of the severity elsewhere...!!

It's now headline news because of the severity of the recent flooding.

surely at the end of the day though what matters is the poor people wherever they are in the UK that are having to deal with the floods.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone seen Flood the film ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The attacks on Chris Smith in a classic deflection tactic straight from tory central office by the MP in Somerset and sandbag Pickles once the penny dropped that after 5 weeks of cobra meetings they had done fuck all and it was going wrong and a scapegoat was needed was typical crisis management..

bit like the foot and mouth debacle..

seeing all and sundry from the Government now donning wellies and looking concerned is a sign of ffs there's votes at stake here..

the money is no object statement may come back and bite Cameron on his arse methinks.."

Agreed. If money really isn't any object, then how come there were just 16 soldiers for just one night on the levels, yet entire battalions were sent into those nearest London.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The attacks on Chris Smith in a classic deflection tactic straight from tory central office by the MP in Somerset and sandbag Pickles once the penny dropped that after 5 weeks of cobra meetings they had done fuck all and it was going wrong and a scapegoat was needed was typical crisis management..

bit like the foot and mouth debacle..

seeing all and sundry from the Government now donning wellies and looking concerned is a sign of ffs there's votes at stake here..

the money is no object statement may come back and bite Cameron on his arse methinks..

"sandbag" Pickles lol.

equality in action.

"

Nixon I think once said 'nothing sells like sincerity.' But Pickles can't even do that. When he says he is sorry, it's as if his face looks like he's just licked cum off a thistle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wettest winter since 1700s" there's a clue in this headline. How can the government, environment agency, councils be blamed for this ridiculous weather we are having ? When the planning is done for drainage this is calculated on a worst case scenario which is 1 in 100 year storm. Unfortunately at the moment we are getting these wet periods / storms every 5 years so the goal posts have been moved .

The people who keep going on about dredging need their heads looking at! Yes dredging would help but if they honestly think that by clearing about 300mm of silt out of the bottom of a 6 foot deep river would make any difference to that volume of water they need to go back to school and do some sums !!

I'm not a big believer of global warming but think that there is something going wrong within the climate. If global warming is to blame well we are all guilty of causing the problems every time we get in our cars and drive!

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