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"Lives and safety at risk from closing ticket offices?? Bob Crow is a manipulative little turd who seems to get off on holding london to ransom. Maybe if LU staff didn't spend a fair proportion of their time chatting to each other rather then providing the service they are supposed to be, more people would actually be on their side. " I feel safer with ticket hall staff. I also find them useful when the machines refuse to work. | |||
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"The plan is to close the offices and have staff in the lobby assisting with machines etc. " I don't believe that plan. It comes from the same office that promised just two years ago that ticket offices would not be closing. | |||
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"The plan is to close the offices and have staff in the lobby assisting with machines etc. I don't believe that plan. It comes from the same office that promised just two years ago that ticket offices would not be closing. " The tube is brilliant, it's a shame management and unions seem intent on ripping each other to pieces rather than working together. For what it's worth, I much prefer seeing staff in and around the station where they seem to be of much more use rather than behind a ticket office screen not doing a huge amount. | |||
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"The plan is to close the offices and have staff in the lobby assisting with machines etc. I don't believe that plan. It comes from the same office that promised just two years ago that ticket offices would not be closing. " it isn't.... closing the offices would lose 1000 jobs... but the move to 24hr running would relocate 250 jobs... so it is a net job loss of 750.... | |||
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"I think they said the strike was of tonight? If I herd right." It is. No strike this week as they continue to talk. That is progress of a sort. | |||
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"They need to strike (no pun intended) a balance between moving the tube forward in a 21st century-technology sense, and keeping a human element. I've lived in London for many years, and the way in which it evolves is something that people do and will adapt to. Everyone freaked out when Oyster cards came out but it's fine now. People will adapt to not having ticket offices, and if jobs go, that's unfortunate but all part of the process of evolution and the increasingly more automated world we live in." Locals will adapt to ticket machines just as they did to Oyster cards but so much underground traffic is visitors to the city, many of whom struggle with English. | |||
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"They need to strike (no pun intended) a balance between moving the tube forward in a 21st century-technology sense, and keeping a human element. I've lived in London for many years, and the way in which it evolves is something that people do and will adapt to. Everyone freaked out when Oyster cards came out but it's fine now. People will adapt to not having ticket offices, and if jobs go, that's unfortunate but all part of the process of evolution and the increasingly more automated world we live in. Locals will adapt to ticket machines just as they did to Oyster cards but so much underground traffic is visitors to the city, many of whom struggle with English." A little research will show you that foreign visitors can buy Oysters cards at all airports and Eurostar terminals - they're also provided increasingly by tour operators and this is an area that is being pushed hard for tourists = less need for ticket offices. | |||
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"I think they said the strike was of tonight? If I herd right. It is. No strike this week as they continue to talk. That is progress of a sort. " Yes it is an makes a change for all the drama with the union. | |||
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"They need to strike (no pun intended) a balance between moving the tube forward in a 21st century-technology sense, and keeping a human element. I've lived in London for many years, and the way in which it evolves is something that people do and will adapt to. Everyone freaked out when Oyster cards came out but it's fine now. People will adapt to not having ticket offices, and if jobs go, that's unfortunate but all part of the process of evolution and the increasingly more automated world we live in. Locals will adapt to ticket machines just as they did to Oyster cards but so much underground traffic is visitors to the city, many of whom struggle with English. A little research will show you that foreign visitors can buy Oysters cards at all airports and Eurostar terminals - they're also provided increasingly by tour operators and this is an area that is being pushed hard for tourists = less need for ticket offices."  - we shouldn't have the running of the tube determined by the fact a tiny % of its users are tourists. And again, with staff by machines in the forecourts they are hand to help and also be much more interactive, offering advice on routes etc. | |||
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"They need to strike (no pun intended) a balance between moving the tube forward in a 21st century-technology sense, and keeping a human element. I've lived in London for many years, and the way in which it evolves is something that people do and will adapt to. Everyone freaked out when Oyster cards came out but it's fine now. People will adapt to not having ticket offices, and if jobs go, that's unfortunate but all part of the process of evolution and the increasingly more automated world we live in. Locals will adapt to ticket machines just as they did to Oyster cards but so much underground traffic is visitors to the city, many of whom struggle with English. A little research will show you that foreign visitors can buy Oysters cards at all airports and Eurostar terminals - they're also provided increasingly by tour operators and this is an area that is being pushed hard for tourists = less need for ticket offices." I didn't mention foreigners. | |||
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"I didn't mention foreigners. " You mentioned people who struggle with English, so I assumed you meant people from other countries = tourists. | |||
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"They need to strike (no pun intended) a balance between moving the tube forward in a 21st century-technology sense, and keeping a human element. I've lived in London for many years, and the way in which it evolves is something that people do and will adapt to. Everyone freaked out when Oyster cards came out but it's fine now. People will adapt to not having ticket offices, and if jobs go, that's unfortunate but all part of the process of evolution and the increasingly more automated world we live in. Locals will adapt to ticket machines just as they did to Oyster cards but so much underground traffic is visitors to the city, many of whom struggle with English. A little research will show you that foreign visitors can buy Oysters cards at all airports and Eurostar terminals - they're also provided increasingly by tour operators and this is an area that is being pushed hard for tourists = less need for ticket offices. I didn't mention foreigners. " Ah, you meant the Scots, the clue should have been "struggle with English"...  - (joke!!) | |||
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"The plan is to close the offices and have staff in the lobby assisting with machines etc. I don't believe that plan. It comes from the same office that promised just two years ago that ticket offices would not be closing. it isn't.... closing the offices would lose 1000 jobs... but the move to 24hr running would relocate 250 jobs... so it is a net job loss of 750...." sure i read somewhere that there was more workers volunteering for redundancy than there were needed, so no compulsory redundencies would be needed. please feel free to correct this statement if incorrect | |||
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"I didn't mention foreigners. You mentioned people who struggle with English, so I assumed you meant people from other countries = tourists." Tourists? The average Londoner struggles with English. | |||
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"Tourists? The average Londoner struggles with English." I hope that was a joke. Simply not true. | |||
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"Tourists? The average Londoner struggles with English. I hope that was a joke. Simply not true." Although I doubt it was a joke  | |||
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"Tourists? The average Londoner struggles with English. I hope that was a joke. Simply not true. Although I doubt it was a joke "I suppose we could argue about 'average' or what constitutes a 'Londoner' but there's no doubt a lot of people living in London have little or no grasp of spoken, far less written, English. BTW, it ain't just London. | |||
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"I suppose we could argue about 'average' or what constitutes a 'Londoner' but there's no doubt a lot of people living in London have little or no grasp of spoken, far less written, English. BTW, it ain't just London." Can we get back on topic? This isn't helpful to the debate in hand. | |||
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"Not funny OP People's lives and safety are at stake along with over a thousand jobs" The only thing at stake is Bob Crow's ego | |||
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"Tourists? The average Londoner struggles with English. I hope that was a joke. Simply not true. Although I doubt it was a joke
I suppose we could argue about 'average' or what constitutes a 'Londoner' but there's no doubt a lot of people living in London have little or no grasp of spoken, far less written, English.
BTW, it ain't just London."London is certainly multi-cultural, but all the better for it in my view. To suggest we need to have people sat in ticket offices because Londoners cannot speak Enlgish is as absurd as it is ridiculous. | |||
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"Tourists? The average Londoner struggles with English. I hope that was a joke. Simply not true. Although I doubt it was a joke
It wasn't a joke. It was reported some time last year
I suppose we could argue about 'average' or what constitutes a 'Londoner' but there's no doubt a lot of people living in London have little or no grasp of spoken, far less written, English.
BTW, it ain't just London."It wasn't a joke. It was reported some time last year that less than 50% of Londoners have English as their first language. | |||
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"Tourists? The average Londoner struggles with English. I hope that was a joke. Simply not true. Although I doubt it was a joke
I suppose we could argue about 'average' or what constitutes a 'Londoner' but there's no doubt a lot of people living in London have little or no grasp of spoken, far less written, English.
BTW, it ain't just London."I know that only too well. Trying to decipher Glaswegian should be classed linguistic genius.  | |||
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"Not funny OP People's lives and safety are at stake along with over a thousand jobs The only thing at stake is Bob Crow's ego" Point of information, Bob Crow did not call any strike, the members did, Crow as general secretary is the spokesman and conveys their wishes. If there is an ego it is Boris pontificating while refusing to meet any of the transport unions in his seven years in office. The strike could have been averted if TFL had sat down with the Unions to negotiate in the first place which it refused to do | |||
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"Not funny OP People's lives and safety are at stake along with over a thousand jobs The only thing at stake is Bob Crow's ego Point of information, Bob Crow did not call any strike, the members did, Crow as general secretary is the spokesman and conveys their wishes. If there is an ego it is Boris pontificating while refusing to meet any of the transport unions in his seven years in office. The strike could have been averted if TFL had sat down with the Unions to negotiate in the first place which it refused to do" Of course I forgot. Bob Crow was available for talks from Copacabana beach 
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"Not funny OP People's lives and safety are at stake along with over a thousand jobs The only thing at stake is Bob Crow's ego Point of information, Bob Crow did not call any strike, the members did, Crow as general secretary is the spokesman and conveys their wishes. If there is an ego it is Boris pontificating while refusing to meet any of the transport unions in his seven years in office. The strike could have been averted if TFL had sat down with the Unions to negotiate in the first place which it refused to do Of course I forgot. Bob Crow was available for talks from Copacabana beach
As for the vote I think you will find that only around 30% of the workforce voted for strike action."and only 17% voted for the mayor, what was your point exactly? | |||
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"If they added 7p to the price of each journey, they would have enough to cover the cutback in government spending that's bringing about the planned closure of the ticket offices. " 7p to the price of a journey for that 2p for something else, 5p for another idea, 10p for new changes Etc. Etc. It sounds like the old Lib Dems election manifesto's. Trying to find 100 things to put a penny on income tax for. | |||
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"If they added 7p to the price of each journey, they would have enough to cover the cutback in government spending that's bringing about the planned closure of the ticket offices. " The tube is already one of the most expensive in the world, pointless fare rises to maintain services which are no longer reuqired is total madness. It needs to adapt and change, this should be done as a partnership with management and unions, not a battle where Londoners consistently lose out. | |||
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"If they added 7p to the price of each journey, they would have enough to cover the cutback in government spending that's bringing about the planned closure of the ticket offices. 7p to the price of a journey for that 2p for something else, 5p for another idea, 10p for new changes Etc. Etc. It sounds like the old Lib Dems election manifesto's. Trying to find 100 things to put a penny on income tax for." Don't get me wrong, we absolutely need a penny on income tax. The first party to categorically undertake it gets my vote. | |||
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"They need to strike (no pun intended) a balance between moving the tube forward in a 21st century-technology sense, and keeping a human element. I've lived in London for many years, and the way in which it evolves is something that people do and will adapt to. Everyone freaked out when Oyster cards came out but it's fine now. People will adapt to not having ticket offices, and if jobs go, that's unfortunate but all part of the process of evolution and the increasingly more automated world we live in." all these automated systems are fantastic however the human interface is extremely important. what if god forbid someone was attacked raped etc at a station were previously there would have been staff in the ticket office and now due to the reorganisation its left unmanned how would people who advocate this move forward feel then. ps i have worked on the underground on various projects over the last 20 years and its the greatest transport system in the world within the confines of a capital city and it as come on leaps and bounds in terms of security however it can still be a dangerous place for both sexes and having someone in a ticket office is better than a emergency call point linked to a control throuh cctv. | |||
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"If they added 7p to the price of each journey, they would have enough to cover the cutback in government spending that's bringing about the planned closure of the ticket offices. 7p to the price of a journey for that 2p for something else, 5p for another idea, 10p for new changes Etc. Etc. It sounds like the old Lib Dems election manifesto's. Trying to find 100 things to put a penny on income tax for. Don't get me wrong, we absolutely need a penny on income tax. The first party to categorically undertake it gets my vote. " The first party to tackle evasion by the multi-national companies who generate huge profits in this country with paying appropriate tax get my vote, not the one that shirks that debate and instead targets Joe public again. Utter nonsense that we need 1p on income tax. | |||
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"Not funny OP People's lives and safety are at stake along with over a thousand jobs The only thing at stake is Bob Crow's ego Point of information, Bob Crow did not call any strike, the members did, Crow as general secretary is the spokesman and conveys their wishes. If there is an ego it is Boris pontificating while refusing to meet any of the transport unions in his seven years in office. The strike could have been averted if TFL had sat down with the Unions to negotiate in the first place which it refused to do Of course I forgot. Bob Crow was available for talks from Copacabana beach
As for the vote I think you will find that only around 30% of the workforce voted for strike action.and only 17% voted for the mayor, what was your point exactly?"Boris polled more votes than Livingstone FULL STOP. If anyone wanted to vote otherwise they had the chance, it aint my fault they didn't take it. I agree the same can be said for the tube workers, but to bring the capital to a halt when 70% (ish) either voted against or couldn't be arsed is wrong. | |||
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"If they added 7p to the price of each journey, they would have enough to cover the cutback in government spending that's bringing about the planned closure of the ticket offices. 7p to the price of a journey for that 2p for something else, 5p for another idea, 10p for new changes Etc. Etc. It sounds like the old Lib Dems election manifesto's. Trying to find 100 things to put a penny on income tax for. Don't get me wrong, we absolutely need a penny on income tax. The first party to categorically undertake it gets my vote. " A penny on income tax for what? Then a penny for something else, and so on. That was Paddy Ashdown's great idea, but once you find 100 things then you are bolloxed. You can't have 101. | |||
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"If they added 7p to the price of each journey, they would have enough to cover the cutback in government spending that's bringing about the planned closure of the ticket offices. 7p to the price of a journey for that 2p for something else, 5p for another idea, 10p for new changes Etc. Etc. It sounds like the old Lib Dems election manifesto's. Trying to find 100 things to put a penny on income tax for. Don't get me wrong, we absolutely need a penny on income tax. The first party to categorically undertake it gets my vote. The first party to tackle evasion by the multi-national companies who generate huge profits in this country with paying appropriate tax get my vote, not the one that shirks that debate and instead targets Joe public again. Utter nonsense that we need 1p on income tax." If you genuinely believe that this reclaimed corporation tax would be equivalent (and sustainable) to a 1p rise in the income tax then fair enough. This country cannot avoid a tax rise unless all it does is borrow to cover the shortfall, which is the situation we are in. The Government is delivering cuts across the board to try and curb spending, yet all public services are subject to inflationary forces with no discernible increase in the base income for the treasury. How can we as a nation not look to increasing the overall income to those services through the national contribution given that there has not been a rise in average income tax for year - yet service costs are increasing. Its an unsustainable financial model and chasing after pennies down the back of sofa will simply NOT fix it. I'm not aligned to any political party, unless there is a 'common sense' party. What I do see is a country living beyond its means providing public services and as a whole it needs a 'wage' increase or its heading for bankruptcy. | |||
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"If they added 7p to the price of each journey, they would have enough to cover the cutback in government spending that's bringing about the planned closure of the ticket offices. 7p to the price of a journey for that 2p for something else, 5p for another idea, 10p for new changes Etc. Etc. It sounds like the old Lib Dems election manifesto's. Trying to find 100 things to put a penny on income tax for. Don't get me wrong, we absolutely need a penny on income tax. The first party to categorically undertake it gets my vote. The first party to tackle evasion by the multi-national companies who generate huge profits in this country with paying appropriate tax get my vote, not the one that shirks that debate and instead targets Joe public again. Utter nonsense that we need 1p on income tax." Of course it's nonsense that we need 1p on income tax, but waiting for a party to tackle large scale corporate avoidance is like waiting for the tooth fairy. We are in a globalized economy, cutting taxes and attracting investment is the way forward. | |||
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"If they added 7p to the price of each journey, they would have enough to cover the cutback in government spending that's bringing about the planned closure of the ticket offices. 7p to the price of a journey for that 2p for something else, 5p for another idea, 10p for new changes Etc. Etc. It sounds like the old Lib Dems election manifesto's. Trying to find 100 things to put a penny on income tax for. Don't get me wrong, we absolutely need a penny on income tax. The first party to categorically undertake it gets my vote. The first party to tackle evasion by the multi-national companies who generate huge profits in this country with paying appropriate tax get my vote, not the one that shirks that debate and instead targets Joe public again. Utter nonsense that we need 1p on income tax. Of course it's nonsense that we need 1p on income tax, but waiting for a party to tackle large scale corporate avoidance is like waiting for the tooth fairy. We are in a globalized economy, cutting taxes and attracting investment is the way forward." It is this argument which is flawed. Do you seriously think Amazon, Google, Starbucks, McDonalds...., I could go on are going to exit the UK market. Of course not. For consumer facing companies who use transfer pricing and fairly transparent schemes to avoid tax they should be an easy target. All it needs is some balls and a bit of joined up thinking from the major economies to ensure these companies pay fair taxes in the countries where they generate huge profits. Combined with some continued economic growth there should be no need to increase the tax burden on the public, particularly where the overall tax take (look at VAT, council tax etc) has increased significantly over recent years. | |||
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"Just heard it on lbc news, that explains why he was drinking juice on the interview lol." the ballot papers for the Industrial action to be lawful and the ballot to proceed must specify the exact trade dispute.. without it, no ballot, no IA of any sort.. believe this one was and is about ticket office's, staffing etc.. funny that no mention has been made by any of the union hating media and Boris etc about leave days..? | |||
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"Not funny OP People's lives and safety are at stake along with over a thousand jobs The only thing at stake is Bob Crow's ego Point of information, Bob Crow did not call any strike, the members did, Crow as general secretary is the spokesman and conveys their wishes. If there is an ego it is Boris pontificating while refusing to meet any of the transport unions in his seven years in office. The strike could have been averted if TFL had sat down with the Unions to negotiate in the first place which it refused to do Of course I forgot. Bob Crow was available for talks from Copacabana beach
As for the vote I think you will find that only around 30% of the workforce voted for strike action.and only 17% voted for the mayor, what was your point exactly?
Boris polled more votes than Livingstone FULL STOP. If anyone wanted to vote otherwise they had the chance, it aint my fault they didn't take it.
I agree the same can be said for the tube workers, but to bring the capital to a halt when 70% (ish) either voted against or couldn't be arsed is wrong.
"By your argument 83% either did not vote for Boris or didn't vote at all, so why should he be mayor? Neither ballot stated a 51% majority so your argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny | |||
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"Not funny OP People's lives and safety are at stake along with over a thousand jobs The only thing at stake is Bob Crow's ego Point of information, Bob Crow did not call any strike, the members did, Crow as general secretary is the spokesman and conveys their wishes. If there is an ego it is Boris pontificating while refusing to meet any of the transport unions in his seven years in office. The strike could have been averted if TFL had sat down with the Unions to negotiate in the first place which it refused to do Of course I forgot. Bob Crow was available for talks from Copacabana beach
As for the vote I think you will find that only around 30% of the workforce voted for strike action.and only 17% voted for the mayor, what was your point exactly?
Boris polled more votes than Livingstone FULL STOP. If anyone wanted to vote otherwise they had the chance, it aint my fault they didn't take it.
I agree the same can be said for the tube workers, but to bring the capital to a halt when 70% (ish) either voted against or couldn't be arsed is wrong.
By your argument 83% either did not vote for Boris or didn't vote at all, so why should he be mayor?
Neither ballot stated a 51% majority so your argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny"He got over 51% of the votes cast as mentioned before if people don't vote then they can't moan at the result. So the argument does stand up to scrutiny | |||
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"Not funny OP People's lives and safety are at stake along with over a thousand jobs The only thing at stake is Bob Crow's ego Point of information, Bob Crow did not call any strike, the members did, Crow as general secretary is the spokesman and conveys their wishes. If there is an ego it is Boris pontificating while refusing to meet any of the transport unions in his seven years in office. The strike could have been averted if TFL had sat down with the Unions to negotiate in the first place which it refused to do Of course I forgot. Bob Crow was available for talks from Copacabana beach
As for the vote I think you will find that only around 30% of the workforce voted for strike action.and only 17% voted for the mayor, what was your point exactly?
Boris polled more votes than Livingstone FULL STOP. If anyone wanted to vote otherwise they had the chance, it aint my fault they didn't take it.
I agree the same can be said for the tube workers, but to bring the capital to a halt when 70% (ish) either voted against or couldn't be arsed is wrong.
By your argument 83% either did not vote for Boris or didn't vote at all, so why should he be mayor?
Neither ballot stated a 51% majority so your argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny
He got over 51% of the votes cast as mentioned before if people don't vote then they can't moan at the result. So the argument does stand up to scrutiny "Sadly that's right its all the apathy in voting I don't understand as you are for it or not and if it happens you loose money.  | |||
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"Not funny OP People's lives and safety are at stake along with over a thousand jobs The only thing at stake is Bob Crow's ego Point of information, Bob Crow did not call any strike, the members did, Crow as general secretary is the spokesman and conveys their wishes. If there is an ego it is Boris pontificating while refusing to meet any of the transport unions in his seven years in office. The strike could have been averted if TFL had sat down with the Unions to negotiate in the first place which it refused to do Of course I forgot. Bob Crow was available for talks from Copacabana beach
As for the vote I think you will find that only around 30% of the workforce voted for strike action.and only 17% voted for the mayor, what was your point exactly?
Boris polled more votes than Livingstone FULL STOP. If anyone wanted to vote otherwise they had the chance, it aint my fault they didn't take it.
I agree the same can be said for the tube workers, but to bring the capital to a halt when 70% (ish) either voted against or couldn't be arsed is wrong.
By your argument 83% either did not vote for Boris or didn't vote at all, so why should he be mayor?
Neither ballot stated a 51% majority so your argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny
He got over 51% of the votes cast as mentioned before if people don't vote then they can't moan at the result. So the argument does stand up to scrutiny
Sadly that's right its all the apathy
in voting I don't understand as you are for it or not and if it happens you loose money. "It seems it's the way though people don't vote and then start shouting that it's unfair. My question to them is if you don't vote how are you going to change things ? The usual answer is they'r all the same so why should I bother | |||
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