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By *G Lana OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

With it looking likely that smoking in cars carrying children looking like it will be banned what happens with convertibles with the roof down other than the cigarette getti g extinguished in weather like this? Where does the car end?

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

usuall at the end of the boot

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough


"usuall at the end of the boot "

smart arse lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with this but it is almost impossible to police

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you


"usuall at the end of the boot

smart arse lol"
but seriously smoking in the car with a child in it is not a good idea,i presume you can smoke on your own in a car though??can you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"usuall at the end of the boot

smart arse lol but seriously smoking in the car with a child in it is not a good idea,i presume you can smoke on your own in a car though??can you"

Think so. It should be common sense to not smoke in a car with a kid in it.

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.


"usuall at the end of the boot

smart arse lol but seriously smoking in the car with a child in it is not a good idea,i presume you can smoke on your own in a car though??can you

Think so. It should be common sense to not smoke in a car with a kid in it."

It should be common sense not to smoke at all....

But we know, personal choices and all that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should ban smoking in cars full stop!

It's dangerous !

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By *alldarkhandsomedaveMan
over a year ago

Derby


"They should ban smoking in cars full stop!

It's dangerous ! "

Couldn't agree more!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's utter rubbish and the biggest waste of money.

People still do not wear seat belts,

people still use mobile phones,

people still put kids in cars without child seats and overload passengers.

People still drink and drive.

We have a little police force, under resourced that simply can not keep up with real crime nor all the over 'law breakers' driving around now.

So the police force is supposed to get involved in parents travelling with children, that are smoking.

Say all parents now stop desperate for a fag, who is going to clean up after all the accidents of the cars trying to get back onto the carriageway?

How does making someone already stressed and wanting a cig, being made to wait until arrival for a cig, help?

Are they encouring parents to speed? Or encouraging more stressed drivers onto the road.

We've got children in this country living in real poverty, children in this country that have real difficulties with abuse and other problems; but the gov thinks banning parents smoking in cars is worth hours of discussion at the high levels

What a waste of tax payers money

#her#

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With declining numbers of traffic police patrols in favour of the wombles, surely it's practically impossible to police.

And where does it end, ban anything that distracts you from the driving? Changing a cd? Talking to your passengers? Fiddling with the radio?

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.


"It's utter rubbish and the biggest waste of money.

People still do not wear seat belts,

people still use mobile phones,

people still put kids in cars without child seats and overload passengers.

People still drink and drive.

We have a little police force, under resourced that simply can not keep up with real crime nor all the over 'law breakers' driving around now.

So the police force is supposed to get involved in parents travelling with children, that are smoking.

Say all parents now stop desperate for a fag, who is going to clean up after all the accidents of the cars trying to get back onto the carriageway?

How does making someone already stressed and wanting a cig, being made to wait until arrival for a cig, help?

Are they encouring parents to speed? Or encouraging more stressed drivers onto the road.

We've got children in this country living in real poverty, children in this country that have real difficulties with abuse and other problems; but the gov thinks banning parents smoking in cars is worth hours of discussion at the high levels

What a waste of tax payers money

#her#"

I don't consider protecting children's health and well being a waste of money...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's utter rubbish and the biggest waste of money.

People still do not wear seat belts,

people still use mobile phones,

people still put kids in cars without child seats and overload passengers.

People still drink and drive.

We have a little police force, under resourced that simply can not keep up with real crime nor all the over 'law breakers' driving around now.

So the police force is supposed to get involved in parents travelling with children, that are smoking.

Say all parents now stop desperate for a fag, who is going to clean up after all the accidents of the cars trying to get back onto the carriageway?

How does making someone already stressed and wanting a cig, being made to wait until arrival for a cig, help?

Are they encouring parents to speed? Or encouraging more stressed drivers onto the road.

We've got children in this country living in real poverty, children in this country that have real difficulties with abuse and other problems; but the gov thinks banning parents smoking in cars is worth hours of discussion at the high levels

What a waste of tax payers money

#her#"

Self, self, self. Not one mention of a child's health and them NOT having a choice when it comes to inhaling your smoke.

Kill yourself with your nicotine but don't force it on little ones.

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By *nigmatic1Woman
over a year ago

A seaside town near you!

I most definitely agree with not smoking in cars when you've got children in there but I don't like being told what I can do in my own car! It's my car, I pay my road tax and insurance so if the government want to tell me what to do in it then they can start flipping paying for it then!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it raises awareness of the damage that second hand smoke can do to children, then that in itself is a good thing.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"It's utter rubbish and the biggest waste of money.

People still do not wear seat belts,

people still use mobile phones,

people still put kids in cars without child seats and overload passengers.

People still drink and drive.

We have a little police force, under resourced that simply can not keep up with real crime nor all the over 'law breakers' driving around now.

So the police force is supposed to get involved in parents travelling with children, that are smoking.

Say all parents now stop desperate for a fag, who is going to clean up after all the accidents of the cars trying to get back onto the carriageway?

How does making someone already stressed and wanting a cig, being made to wait until arrival for a cig, help?

Are they encouring parents to speed? Or encouraging more stressed drivers onto the road.

We've got children in this country living in real poverty, children in this country that have real difficulties with abuse and other problems; but the gov thinks banning parents smoking in cars is worth hours of discussion at the high levels

What a waste of tax payers money

#her#"

Wild stab in the dark here... you smoke and have kids, right?

Why are the unhealthy habits chosen by an adult and the subsequent need arising from addiction, more important than the health of a child who is having the damaging effects imposed on them without consent?

I can honestly not believe how selfish some smokers are when it comes to the health of others, especially children.

It's sad that legislation of this type is necessary because one would hope that adults would automatically do the right thing and protect the health of children.

As far as I am concerned, forcing smoke onto children is abuse. It's harmful, just as hitting them or emotionally abusing them is.

I'm sure that _iew won't be popular with smokers, what with their "right" to smoke. How about a child's (and everyone else's) right to choose not to breathe smoke?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's utter rubbish and the biggest waste of money.

People still do not wear seat belts,

people still use mobile phones,

people still put kids in cars without child seats and overload passengers.

People still drink and drive.

We have a little police force, under resourced that simply can not keep up with real crime nor all the over 'law breakers' driving around now.

So the police force is supposed to get involved in parents travelling with children, that are smoking.

Say all parents now stop desperate for a fag, who is going to clean up after all the accidents of the cars trying to get back onto the carriageway?

How does making someone already stressed and wanting a cig, being made to wait until arrival for a cig, help?

Are they encouring parents to speed? Or encouraging more stressed drivers onto the road.

We've got children in this country living in real poverty, children in this country that have real difficulties with abuse and other problems; but the gov thinks banning parents smoking in cars is worth hours of discussion at the high levels

What a waste of tax payers money

#her#

Wild stab in the dark here... you smoke and have kids, right?

Why are the unhealthy habits chosen by an adult and the subsequent need arising from addiction, more important than the health of a child who is having the damaging effects imposed on them without consent?

I can honestly not believe how selfish some smokers are when it comes to the health of others, especially children.

It's sad that legislation of this type is necessary because one would hope that adults would automatically do the right thing and protect the health of children.

As far as I am concerned, forcing smoke onto children is abuse. It's harmful, just as hitting them or emotionally abusing them is.

I'm sure that _iew won't be popular with smokers, what with their "right" to smoke. How about a child's (and everyone else's) right to choose not to breathe smoke?"

No I dont have kids

But I work with kids, and I work with their parents.

How about investing some real cash into social and outreach workers, so as the child hiding in their bedroom or too scared to go home after school gets a discussion in parliament, instead of of asking police officers not to check blood alcohol levels of d*unk drivers and check to see if parents are smoking.

#her#

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"It's utter rubbish and the biggest waste of money.

People still do not wear seat belts,

people still use mobile phones,

people still put kids in cars without child seats and overload passengers.

People still drink and drive.

We have a little police force, under resourced that simply can not keep up with real crime nor all the over 'law breakers' driving around now.

So the police force is supposed to get involved in parents travelling with children, that are smoking.

Say all parents now stop desperate for a fag, who is going to clean up after all the accidents of the cars trying to get back onto the carriageway?

How does making someone already stressed and wanting a cig, being made to wait until arrival for a cig, help?

Are they encouring parents to speed? Or encouraging more stressed drivers onto the road.

We've got children in this country living in real poverty, children in this country that have real difficulties with abuse and other problems; but the gov thinks banning parents smoking in cars is worth hours of discussion at the high levels

What a waste of tax payers money

#her#

Wild stab in the dark here... you smoke and have kids, right?

Why are the unhealthy habits chosen by an adult and the subsequent need arising from addiction, more important than the health of a child who is having the damaging effects imposed on them without consent?

I can honestly not believe how selfish some smokers are when it comes to the health of others, especially children.

It's sad that legislation of this type is necessary because one would hope that adults would automatically do the right thing and protect the health of children.

As far as I am concerned, forcing smoke onto children is abuse. It's harmful, just as hitting them or emotionally abusing them is.

I'm sure that _iew won't be popular with smokers, what with their "right" to smoke. How about a child's (and everyone else's) right to choose not to breathe smoke?

No I dont have kids

But I work with kids, and I work with their parents.

How about investing some real cash into social and outreach workers, so as the child hiding in their bedroom or too scared to go home after school gets a discussion in parliament, instead of of asking police officers not to check blood alcohol levels of d*unk drivers and check to see if parents are smoking.

#her#"

Do you have any evidence to support this claim that police officers are being asked not to look into other offences in favour of checking if adults in a car with children in are smoking.

That worse things happen is not a reason not to do something to protect children from harm. Especially when people could manage this themselves, with no money at all being spent, if some of them weren't so utterly selfish.

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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago

Neath

Im mortified at the amount of people.....and in my observation its mostly women....in my village who i see smoking with the kids in the car on their way to school. Of course its terrible for their health but they must absolutely stink when they go into school. Some parents must have no shame as well as no consideration for their childrens health. And yes I am a mother and i smoke.but funnily enough i manage to put my children before my bad habit

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey


"usuall at the end of the boot

smart arse lol but seriously smoking in the car with a child in it is not a good idea,i presume you can smoke on your own in a car though??can you

Think so. It should be common sense to not smoke in a car with a kid in it.

It should be common sense not to smoke at all....

But we know, personal choices and all that."

Maybe it is common sense not to start smoking at all but the same could be said for lots of things that people still do or try....

Yes I am a smoker but I agree that smoking in cars with children present is a no no.

Just not sure how well it can be policed, using a mobile phone is illegal yet I constantly see people fiddling or chatting on them while driving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a smoker and i totally agree with this law. Never smoke when kids are around, not just in the car. Just because its difficult to police, doesn't mean it's wrong or a waste of time. For god's sake, we are talking about children's health!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wont repost as it's getting stupidly long.

Yes I do have some insider knowledge of the local police force 'budget considerations' and also of their targets.

He has listed us as smokers, how ever we only smoke socially. Years ago the best times were always found in smokers areas of clubs and many of our friends smoke.

Neither of us smoke in cars, neither of us smoke at home or daily.

I do visit my local hospital 4 times a month and do you think it's smokefree?

Absolutely not.

Do you think drink driving is just an accident? Or is it someone being selfish and having a few too many drinks then 'needing to drive themselves somewhere'

Do you think child abuse is just something we should accept?

The pot of money that we have paid into for years and years is wasted bit by bit. And the hundreds of thousands wasted by discussing smoking in cars and the unrealistic expectation that our police force will be able to actually enforce it

So really. If I have a voice as to what is discussed in parliament, given what our children are suffering with...

Media coverage was great following baby p, do you have any idea how many children suffer in silence?

How many children come to school with a bruise because their mum or dad had a fag in the car?

How many children dont attend school because their mum or dad had a fag in the car?

The money wasted by this one discussion would have boosted Birmingham city councils social service department funding by 35% (already) over a 5 year period.

By the time this is past and comes into force the amount of cash wasted on it could have helped thousands of children with bigger concerns than whether mum or dad had a cig in the car.

Some of our families in need, cant even afford cars

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't agree more with this, I just read a status saying it was a violation of human rights ppppfffft what about children's rights not to breath in the smoke and suffer horrific deaths later in life. Smoking should be banned around children full stop!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

End of day anyone who smokes in cars with kids there deserve getting done its child cruekty as much as owt.

parents and smokers can blame themselves for this being introduced although policing it will be very hard.

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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago

Neath


"Couldn't agree more with this, I just read a status saying it was a violation of human rights ppppfffft what about children's rights not to breath in the smoke and suffer horrific deaths later in life. Smoking should be banned around children full stop!!!"

I never let my children see me smoking i certainly dont want them following my example.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I wont repost as it's getting stupidly long.

Yes I do have some insider knowledge of the local police force 'budget considerations' and also of their targets.

He has listed us as smokers, how ever we only smoke socially. Years ago the best times were always found in smokers areas of clubs and many of our friends smoke.

Neither of us smoke in cars, neither of us smoke at home or daily.

I do visit my local hospital 4 times a month and do you think it's smokefree?

Absolutely not.

Do you think drink driving is just an accident? Or is it someone being selfish and having a few too many drinks then 'needing to drive themselves somewhere'

Do you think child abuse is just something we should accept?

The pot of money that we have paid into for years and years is wasted bit by bit. And the hundreds of thousands wasted by discussing smoking in cars and the unrealistic expectation that our police force will be able to actually enforce it

So really. If I have a voice as to what is discussed in parliament, given what our children are suffering with...

Media coverage was great following baby p, do you have any idea how many children suffer in silence?

How many children come to school with a bruise because their mum or dad had a fag in the car?

How many children dont attend school because their mum or dad had a fag in the car?

The money wasted by this one discussion would have boosted Birmingham city councils social service department funding by 35% (already) over a 5 year period.

By the time this is past and comes into force the amount of cash wasted on it could have helped thousands of children with bigger concerns than whether mum or dad had a cig in the car.

Some of our families in need, cant even afford cars "

Your "insider knowledge" is not evidence.

The issue here isn't drink driving or child abuse so I refuse to be drawn into a discussion on what is worst. ALL harm to children is unacceptable and ALL children should be protected.

The money and time being spent on this would be available for other things if some smokers weren't so selfish, so go campaign to them. It might do some good, whereas ranting here that it's a waste of money and unenforceable won't.

Children being harmed by smoke should not be ignored because there are greater evils in the world.

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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago

Neath

Exactly....if people werent such selfish fuckwits in the first place then.such legislation wouldnt be needed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I fully agree with this for the sake of the kids.

But the police will be stopping everyone with a cigarette in their mouths, so for those that don't have kids will be stopped.

And you can't always see little kids in the back.

Her

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Couldn't agree more with this, I just read a status saying it was a violation of human rights ppppfffft what about children's rights not to breath in the smoke and suffer horrific deaths later in life. Smoking should be banned around children full stop!!!"

Bloody smokers' rights again! Selfish selfish selfish.

A "right" to use a known carcinogenic substance even around people who don't want to breathe it or smell it? Bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a smoker, don't have children so not really effected by this law should it come to be. We shouldn't really need this law but as others have said there are still people ignorant enough to be smoking in confined spaces with children.

How many of these people who currently smoke in a car with children present will be smoking in there front rooms with the children? Where do we stop legislating?

Are we going to ban the parents of fat kids from feeding their kids crap food? Laws passed on levels of exercise? The list could be endless and very difficult to police effectively.

If you are a smoker going on a long journey with a child there are plenty of nicotine replacements, gums and patches which will fulfill their addiction.

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By *alibra57Man
over a year ago

Southampton

Children are the most precious thing in the world why would anyone want to harm them in any way especially smoking in an enclosed space. Common sense not to smoke near young children

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

some people will still smoke in the car after the law is here, they will do what is in their best interest and find reasons to justify it....

that is the way it is with some.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Children are the most precious thing in the world why would anyone want to harm them in any way especially smoking in an enclosed space. Common sense not to smoke near young children "

its also common sense that kids are strapped in but thats still not sunk in for some, same as many other aspects of safety a lot of them dont think 'it' will happen to them ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wont repost as it's getting stupidly long.

Yes I do have some insider knowledge of the local police force 'budget considerations' and also of their targets.

He has listed us as smokers, how ever we only smoke socially. Years ago the best times were always found in smokers areas of clubs and many of our friends smoke.

Neither of us smoke in cars, neither of us smoke at home or daily.

I do visit my local hospital 4 times a month and do you think it's smokefree?

Absolutely not.

Do you think drink driving is just an accident? Or is it someone being selfish and having a few too many drinks then 'needing to drive themselves somewhere'

Do you think child abuse is just something we should accept?

The pot of money that we have paid into for years and years is wasted bit by bit. And the hundreds of thousands wasted by discussing smoking in cars and the unrealistic expectation that our police force will be able to actually enforce it

So really. If I have a voice as to what is discussed in parliament, given what our children are suffering with...

Media coverage was great following baby p, do you have any idea how many children suffer in silence?

How many children come to school with a bruise because their mum or dad had a fag in the car?

How many children dont attend school because their mum or dad had a fag in the car?

The money wasted by this one discussion would have boosted Birmingham city councils social service department funding by 35% (already) over a 5 year period.

By the time this is past and comes into force the amount of cash wasted on it could have helped thousands of children with bigger concerns than whether mum or dad had a cig in the car.

Some of our families in need, cant even afford cars

Your "insider knowledge" is not evidence.

The issue here isn't drink driving or child abuse so I refuse to be drawn into a discussion on what is worst. ALL harm to children is unacceptable and ALL children should be protected.

The money and time being spent on this would be available for other things if some smokers weren't so selfish, so go campaign to them. It might do some good, whereas ranting here that it's a waste of money and unenforceable won't.

Children being harmed by smoke should not be ignored because there are greater evils in the world."

No such thing as a social smoker its a con made up by in denial smokers. Jeeze if you smoke a cig you are a smoker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I fully agree with this for the sake of the kids.

But the police will be stopping everyone with a cigarette in their mouths, so for those that don't have kids will be stopped.

And you can't always see little kids in the back.

Her "

if there is a child in the car dont blame police for doong job blame parent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

off thread but i see pregnant so called mothers puffing away daily and behind them in the queue in the shop when they ask for there death sticks....is the goverment gonna stop that aswell. Never smoked im my life or felt a need to.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"off thread but i see pregnant so called mothers puffing away daily and behind them in the queue in the shop when they ask for there death sticks....is the goverment gonna stop that aswell. Never smoked im my life or felt a need to."

I don't suppose you've ever been pregnant either

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"It's utter rubbish and the biggest waste of money.

People still do not wear seat belts,

people still use mobile phones,

people still put kids in cars without child seats and overload passengers.

People still drink and drive.

We have a little police force, under resourced that simply can not keep up with real crime nor all the over 'law breakers' driving around now.

So the police force is supposed to get involved in parents travelling with children, that are smoking.

Say all parents now stop desperate for a fag, who is going to clean up after all the accidents of the cars trying to get back onto the carriageway?

How does making someone already stressed and wanting a cig, being made to wait until arrival for a cig, help?

Are they encouring parents to speed? Or encouraging more stressed drivers onto the road.

We've got children in this country living in real poverty, children in this country that have real difficulties with abuse and other problems; but the gov thinks banning parents smoking in cars is worth hours of discussion at the high levels

What a waste of tax payers money

#her#"

And at the same time lets do away with the police and prisons after all people still kill and steal even though its against the law and we can save so much money by just getting rid of the whole legal system.

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By *um and get it.Couple
over a year ago

Spalding

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By *o1mrtlcMan
over a year ago

cannock


"usuall at the end of the boot

smart arse lol but seriously smoking in the car with a child in it is not a good idea,i presume you can smoke on your own in a car though??can you

Think so. It should be common sense to not smoke in a car with a kid in it."

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By *um and get it.Couple
over a year ago

Spalding


"Couldn't agree more with this, I just read a status saying it was a violation of human rights ppppfffft what about children's rights not to breath in the smoke and suffer horrific deaths later in life. Smoking should be banned around children full stop!!!"

Too true. Child abuse is what it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My dad's not gonna be very happy whenever i'm with him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a very simple answer to this problem,

Give every person over the age of 16 a psychological profile.

If they smoke, drink, take any form of Drug or own a moped the Sterilize them

Simples really

Crippen MD

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish this law had been introduced when I was a child. Our Mother used to make us suffer with her cigarette smoke. We'd sit in the back seat with our shirts pulled up over our mouths to try to avoid breathing it in, even with us doing that she wouldn't open the window because she felt the cold!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why ban smoking I say let the little health freaks walk everywhere that way we all win

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would ban smoking totally.

It's a disgusting habit and has no place in any civilised society.

There's absolutely no excuse at all, save the usual junkie cries of 'our choice'!!!! Rubbish.....You'd ALL desist if you were able. End of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"With it looking likely that smoking in cars carrying children looking like it will be banned what happens with convertibles with the roof down other than the cigarette getti g extinguished in weather like this? Where does the car end?"

It will be one rule for all cars Im sure soft top or not. In reality though most parents don't smoke in the car if kids are there anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cars are a lot more toxic than smoking so why not ban cars or would that not suit all the wingers that like to dictate about civilised society

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