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care data. all your medical notes to be shared or sold...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

This is what GP's think of it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10595743/Four-in-10-GPs-to-opt-out-of-NHS-database.html

All medical records, not anonymised are to be gathered from your GP surgery and held in central records and made available to researchers and companies for a small fee... NHS bosses say it will be normally be anonymised, normally? What about guaranteed!

You should have been delivered a leaflet, with your normal junk mail explaining all, you can opt out and there are forms you can download to do so, there is no opt out form on the leaflet. There are four different codes that you have to specify to prevent your data being shared.

Considering the banks are struggling to keep personal data safe what chance have the NHS got of keeping it safe.

Can't post links to the opt out forms but if you Google 'care data info' you should find it.

If you decide to opt out don't forget to opt out for your children to...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have little faith in opting out with the NHS after all this is the organisation that kept fetuses, babies and body parts in jars and didn't tell the next of kin.

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

I've had a look on that link but it's so jam packed full of links and crap I can't find where to opt out!

Sneaky bastards!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the first I've heard of it.You'd think this would be an opt in.What the fuck happened to patient confidentiality? Hashtag1984

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I've had a look on that link but it's so jam packed full of links and crap I can't find where to opt out!

Sneaky bastards!"

There is a form in there somewhere, you may be able to just write a letter and put the codes in, not sure though, if your at a gp surgery it might be worth asking.

Apparently the police will have access. What about people that have spoken confidentially with councillors? I'm not 100% on this bit but if it's possible...

It might be against EU laws but as it is due to start in March 2014 they'd better get their skates on before it's too late.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Bump

Any medical professionals have a _iewpoint on this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You need to go to your doctors surgery to opt out. Total piss take

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By *ercedes62Woman
over a year ago

Northampton

I found out about this quite by accident on Friday am when paying a visit to my Dentist.

At the check-in desk i was asked if the receptionist could take a photo of me and my answer was why.

I was told it was for the Data Protection Act and i then informed her that she had no idea what the protection act was actually about.

After leaving i spoke to my son who works within the NHS environment and he told me that infact all patient records from Doctors and Dentists are being told off by the current Government.

I shall certainly be looking into the matter to find out where to opt-out from this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It will be interesting to see if insurance companies purchase this information and contact some people to offer insurance and black list others from it for being too high a risk. Which ever way the whole thing seems immoral to me.

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By *ercedes62Woman
over a year ago

Northampton


"It will be interesting to see if insurance companies purchase this information and contact some people to offer insurance and black list others from it for being too high a risk. Which ever way the whole thing seems immoral to me. "

Exactly my thoughts and forsome will cause major problems to get cover.

I tried the suggested link by the way and it seems to be off line i wonder why!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It has been in the news for the last 2 months or so but it hasn't made it to the popular press yet.

Selling our data is not new - the electoral register has been available to buy for years. Selling our medical data is a different magnitude of wrong though. How long before it affects our insurance premiums more than the usual declaration does?

Gattaca here we come.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It will be interesting to see if insurance companies purchase this information and contact some people to offer insurance and black list others from it for being too high a risk. Which ever way the whole thing seems immoral to me.

Exactly my thoughts and forsome will cause major problems to get cover.

I tried the suggested link by the way and it seems to be off line i wonder why! "

Just tried the link and it does seem to be working.

It's more about the fact that about 40% of doctors surveyed responded by saying they are going to opt out of having their details shared.

Once your details have been transferred there is no way of removing them from the new database.

This is one of those times when you hope the government run headlong into a EU law.

Again if you Google 'care data info' it takes you to a page with links to various explanations and the required forms to opt out. Opting out will not effect your medical care when going somewhere apart from your local gp. This seems to be gathering data for statistics and sharing.

I know they say sharing is caring but with medical records which should be confidential it's maybe a step too far.

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By *ercedes62Woman
over a year ago

Northampton


"It will be interesting to see if insurance companies purchase this information and contact some people to offer insurance and black list others from it for being too high a risk. Which ever way the whole thing seems immoral to me.

Exactly my thoughts and forsome will cause major problems to get cover.

I tried the suggested link by the way and it seems to be off line i wonder why!

Just tried the link and it does seem to be working.

It's more about the fact that about 40% of doctors surveyed responded by saying they are going to opt out of having their details shared.

Once your details have been transferred there is no way of removing them from the new database.

This is one of those times when you hope the government run headlong into a EU law.

Again if you Google 'care data info' it takes you to a page with links to various explanations and the required forms to opt out. Opting out will not effect your medical care when going somewhere apart from your local gp. This seems to be gathering data for statistics and sharing.

I know they say sharing is caring but with medical records which should be confidential it's maybe a step too far."

Abi from my point of _iew it totally breaks the Data Protection Act

Thanks i shall try again.

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By *ercedes62Woman
over a year ago

Northampton

I just rang my Doctors and hey have accepted my verbal instructions over the telephone.

However, i was advised that a letter is being sent out in due course to all patients.

So if you wish to do something i suggest that you call them.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod

over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

doesn't really bother me.

nothing of much interest on mine.

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By *ercedes62Woman
over a year ago

Northampton


"doesn't really bother me.

nothing of much interest on mine."

There isn't on mine View but i object to the breach of the Data ~Protection Act.

All this information could really cause problems for some being mortage protection, health insurance etc.

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By *ercedes62Woman
over a year ago

Northampton

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"doesn't really bother me.

nothing of much interest on mine."

Do you not feel that you should be the one to give permission for your confidential data to be shared with any company that is willing to pay a small fee? Are you happy for any of your children's data to be shared (if you have children?)

Surely we should have the option to opt in, not be required to opt out which also has a time restriction on opting out.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I just rang my Doctors and hey have accepted my verbal instructions over the telephone.

However, i was advised that a letter is being sent out in due course to all patients.

So if you wish to do something i suggest that you call them.

"

Good to know that they will action it verbally.

Some people online have said they have received a leaflet, I live in a shared house and have not seen one, which is no guarantee that it hasn't been ditched with the rest of the junk mail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will be opting out for sure as my GP surgery is crap and due to rural location, they're my only choice and having previously worked in the NHS I have first hand experience of not being able to trust them even before being offered money for client data

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By *ctaviusStuntMan
over a year ago

plymouth

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By *ctaviusStuntMan
over a year ago

plymouth

maybe you could copy and paste that pretend legal warning note people have on profiles about using their info on to your medical records ?

Not really sure where the govt stand legally about selling your medical information as it was given in good faith with a belief that it would be kept private.

seeing as this govt are trying to sell owt they can get a pound for i take this opportunity to offer them my ass. I cant give it away but maybe they will have more luck. Just trying to do my bit in getting us out of this fake and engineered recession

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Well the current lot have done their best to bring privatisation to the NHS, so it is small details like having your personal details floating around the world that highlights that privatisation and profit from health and illness is not right. Getting my records back asap!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well after some digging via a visit to my surgery, phone and email to the local health board............I've drawn a blank!

All I had at the the surgery was a totally bemused blank look from all the staff at reception......nothing new there then As for the health board, after some "better ask my boss" stuff I was told it didn't apply to this part of Wales.......yet!

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough


"doesn't really bother me.

nothing of much interest on mine."

At the moment; but in the future there are many conditions that you would much prefer to be kept entirely confidential between yourself and the medical professionals that are involved in your care.

Doctor Nasty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can speak on hospital notes and the government do insist on audits to be carried out to improve on patient care and hit CIQUIN targets however these are anonomolised. The CQC ( Care Quality Commission) also have the right to inspect any set of notes for accuracy both in hospital an other care providers (GPS included ) however letting a third party ( business) look at our notes is in fact a breach data protection and CQC patient standards of care. The police can not even look at medical notes without going through strict protocols. In fact if I want to look at my medical notes there is a £10 fee for doing so. So if my GP sells my data I insist a) I give permission to do so & b) if I agree it will be at a charge. I'm so sick of paying £15 to sign my passport and the CCG s doing SFA .. "Rant over ...

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By *andG4moreCouple
over a year ago

Dunbartonshire

Can see the headlines now. Millions of patience records misplaced/ lost or posted online along the same lines when hmrc did it...

Thanks the lord that we live in Scotland and it seems to be an NHS England thing..

Dont fancy anyone outside my medical practice knowing any details. Lol your dob and full postcode as an identifier bet it would not take long to work out.. lol especially up here were my house and 1 other share postcode..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

makes no odds to me, there nothing on my medical records that i'm bothered about anyone seeing so I don't care who looks at it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"makes no odds to me, there nothing on my medical records that i'm bothered about anyone seeing so I don't care who looks at it "

It depends what its used for if say the people who want healthy people they may use it to junk call/mail/post you all sorts of stuff its not really the records its who its being made available to thats a concern.

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Bumping this thread because this is a really important issue. Please find out what this plan could mean for your privacy. There is a reason the NHS leaflet was carefully designed to look like another local take-away junk mail and there is a reason the leaflet barely touches on how to opt-out...

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

This is a summary from a website set up to advise the public about the implications of the care data programme:

"- So what has changed?

The government has passed legislation and the NHS Constitution has been rewritten so that confidential information will be extracted from your GP-held record in identifiable form, and no longer be under the control of the doctor you shared it with.

Until recently the default position was that your medical notes were confidential and remained within your GP’s surgery systems. This is no longer true. The new default is that, on the direction of NHS England, excerpts from your records will be uploaded to the new Health and Social Care Information Centre (HSCIC) unless you say otherwise.

- When is this happening?

Pilots of the new scheme – called ‘care.data’ – took place in around 75 GP practices in England. The original plan was to begin extracting data in the Autumn of 2013, but after pressure from GP leaders, medConfidential and others, NHS England bowed to confidentiality concerns around care.data, agreed to mount a publicity campaign and delayed the first extractions until Spring 2014.

HSCIC will start extracting information from GP practices in England – not Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland – in March 2014. We are led to believe that the first extraction will be around 1% of the population, the second extraction in April will be 10% and the third in May will extract information from 100% of the population. Data is expected to flow to HSCIC ‘customers’ a couple of months later.

- What information will be taken from my medical records?

Every month, details of your diagnoses, referrals, health conditions and treatments plus ‘lifestyle’ information such as smoking / drinking habits and whether you are obese will be extracted. They will be uploaded to HSCIC together with your NHS number, date of birth, postcode, gender and ethnicity.

- But they say my data will be ‘anonymised’…

First of all, the information will not be anonymised when it leaves your GP’s surgery; it will be extracted with your personal details still attached. HSCIC will then determine which parts of your information it will share with others and requests for identifiable data will be passed on to another body, the Confidentiality Advisory Group based in the Health Research Authority. Don’t be fooled by the word ‘research’ in the name, though – NHS England, for example, has already been granted a legal exemption to pass identifiable data about patients between various commissioning bodies.

Even if your information is passed on or published without identifying details, your anonymity can never be guaranteed. Re-identification of apparently ‘anonymous’ data can be surprisingly easy, and the way HSCIC will treat the data is specifically designed to allow it to link and match records at patient level.

- How will my information be used?

Aside from the de-identified data that HSCIC intends to publish, your information may also be shared with or sold to researchers and private companies; registered ‘customers’ pay extra if they receive data in identifiable form. This will be done without your knowledge and you will have no control over who receives it.

Identifiable data will also be passed to regional processing centres, local Clinical Commissioning Groups and the units that support them – which include private companies. These commissioning bodies will use your information for a number of administrative purposes, including audit and monitoring, service planning and targeting, validating invoices and to provide evidence about the effectiveness of services.

- Is it just my GP-held records that will be treated this way?

No. Extracting GP records is only the first step in a far bigger programme. Hospitals have been told to be ready for similar uploads from 2014, and social services from 2015 – this is, after all, the ‘Health and Social Care Information Centre’. Ultimately information about all of the medical and social care you receive will be collected and stored on the HSCIC system.

- Will I be asked for permission?

No, and they’re not intending to tell you directly either. In fact – though it finally conceded to run a junk mail door drop – NHS England initially ruled out running any sort of national publicity campaign. Instead they tried getting GPs to put up posters in their receptions or notices in newsletters.

- What can I do?

The good news is that you can opt out. But if you don’t want your confidential information collected or passed on by HSCIC, the onus is on you to tell your GP. Under the new legislation, GPs will not be able to stop your information being released to HSCIC unless you specifically tell them not to upload it and to make an official note of this in your record.

- Will opting out affect my care in any way?

No. Opting out of these ‘secondary uses’ of your data will not affect your direct medical care. Nor should it affect the way your GP is paid for providing you with care; that is done with aggregate, non-identifiable data.

- Why are there two opt out codes in the letter?

As we said, extracting GP records is only the first step in a much wider programme. Information about you may be collected by HSCIC from sources other than your GP, e.g. from hospitals or clinics. This information will also be identifiable, and may be linked to other data it holds or passed to other agencies and third parties.

If you want to stop HSCIC from passing on your confidential information in identifiable form to any other bodies, including private companies, you have to tell your GP to add that opt out code to your record as well.

- Isn’t this the same as the Summary Care Record (SCR)?

No, but it does cover some of the same data, e.g. your prescriptions. The SCR was a far more limited collection, whereas this new scheme –known as ‘care.data’ – involves a wholesale, monthly extraction of identifiable information about every patient in England.

- I’ve already opted out of SCR. Do I need to do anything?

Yes, you must opt out all over again. Though the Secretary of State for Health, Jeremy Hunt, originally stated that existing opt outs “would be respected”, there has since been a U-turn and opt outs for SCR will not be carried over to this new scheme.

- What about my data being used for medical research?

In December 2011, the Prime Minister promised an opt out for those who specifically didn’t want their information to be used for medical research . This has not happened. Your only option at this point is therefore to opt out altogether from uploads to and passing on from HSCIC or accept that your information will be used for a wide range of purposes, only some of which are to do with medical research."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2014/february/launch-of-opt-out-care-data-sharing-scheme-to-be-postponed-until-autumn-nhs-england-announces/

well it's a start

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure I opted out of something similar a couple of years ago.... This new idea seems strangely familiar or am I having a 'moment'...?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

I made a similar thread

http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/248807

As the above poster notes. There are two codes that need to be included.,

Here is a copy of the information on the link above:

You do not have to attend an appointment at the surgery to opt out of Care.Data, it can be done in writing or by completing a form which can be downloaded. There are numerous variations of the form but whichever one you use, or if you wish to put it in writing, it should include two codes 9Nu0 and 9Nu4 and you must include both if you wish to opt out completely. The first will opt you out of your GP Practice sharing info from your medical records with the HSCIC and the second will stop information from hopitals and other care providers being released by the Health & Social Care Information Centre (HSCIC) for care.data.

The care.data opt out should not be confused with opting out of the Summary Care Record altho you can also opt out of this. The SCR simply means that other health professionals can access a list of ONLY your medication/allergies/adverse reaction to drugs should the need arise, for example if you are admitted to hospital in an emergency or visiting another GP in England. You can also opt to include a list of chronic illnesses such as diabetes, asthma, kidney disease etc on this for information to aid the clinicians treating you who do NOT have access to your full medical records.

Some GPs are so against this new system that they are opting out all of their patients and the onus is then on the patients to individually opt in.

According to tonight's news reports the launch of this system has been put back six months from April 2014 when it was due to start.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone wishing to see the price list for selling your private patient data should, maybe, look at the following :

http://www.hscic.gov.uk/media/12443/data-linkage-service-charges-2013-2014-updated/pdf/dles_service_charges__2013_14_V10_050913.pdf

I trust the link is allowable, on an important matter, and a gov.uk website.

Greater minds than mine calculate that an entire set of 60m paitent records can be had for less than £12,000.

That's less than a 1p per patient record.

NB : It would appear that they claim they are NOT selling your records, just their services for making them available.

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