FabSwingers.com forum: Peterson in or out ?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What do think? Sacrifice the talent for overall team harmony?

Jayxxxxx

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

The team would always have to be put first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hes gone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Out - a pissed off team will never win

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do think? Sacrifice the talent for overall team harmony?

Jayxxxxx

Out. He may as well keep Pietersen company elsewhere.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"Hes gone

yes, last seen carrying the can out of Lords..

suppose someone had to..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the problems were not with Peterson I fear

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I so would, but that's a different thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I so would, but that's a different thread.

What bat for England?? The jobs yours femme!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"I so would, but that's a different thread.

Pietersen in and out..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing but trouble

Out out OUT!!!

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I so would, but that's a different thread.

Pietersen in and out..? "
And up and down.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I so would, but that's a different thread.

What bat for England?? The jobs yours femme!

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No, I wouldn't mind checking out his ball control though.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

Peterson in.

He is the most talented batsman we have had in years and the highest run scorer in English cricket history.

The problem is not peiterson, it is the inability to manage him. What happens when the new coach comes in and says he wants the best players in the team and does not want to play politics in order to pander to the fragile egos who can't cope with an imposing personality.

Without him we don't have a player who can destroy an attack and change a game in a session.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's been struggling for a while, only showing glimpses of his previous best. Too interested in himself.a real shame that a balance could have been struck, a little bit of pandering to his ego and inclusion would probably have made him more managable. But even he couldnt carry the state of the team that it's in. And England will on be looking forward, like Lancaster and the rugby team with his age cap. Time for a new young team to start the foundation goi g forward

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do think? Sacrifice the talent for overall team harmony?

Jayxxxxx

The guy is a complete tosser so far up his own arse and on god knows what ego trip!.......but he is incredible ah hitting red leather balls with a big stick. I do kind of like him even if he does dogy things in the dressing room.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"He's been struggling for a while, only showing glimpses of his previous best. Too interested in himself.a real shame that a balance could have been struck, a little bit of pandering to his ego and inclusion would probably have made him more managable. But even he couldnt carry the state of the team that it's in. And England will on be looking forward, like Lancaster and the rugby team with his age cap. Time for a new young team to start the foundation goi g forward"

He has 6 years of top flight cricket left in him. You can't build a new team without players that can win games. He has not had the best year and the team have been terrible but he was the highest run scorer in the team.

English cricket is in danger of going back to the dark days of the late eighties where it was more important to fit in rather than be able to win games.

Do the ecb tell the new coach that he can't pick peiterson? And if that is the case the only coach we will get will be an ECB puppet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh he's definitely got years left in him, and we will continue as a hired gun through the various franchised tournaments. Which will most probably suit him.

He's been too hit and miss for the last few years. He's bad for to many matches for then to be amazing in one, the ratio isn't high enough.

He has the ability to win matches and destroy teams but they are getting fewer and far between.

I think the other thing England should do is drop cook as captain for a whIle so he can focus on his batting and being a batsman. The captaincy has killed his form

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

An average of close to 48 even after a disappointing year makes him well worth a place.

Even now, he is our best player and he has not been sacked for cricketing reasons, as confirmed by the ECB.

Cook is an awful captain, not even up to county standard. I would love to have Peiterson reinstated as captain so he can work in conjunction with the new coach so they can build a new team playing good entertaining cricket.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah, drop him.

There must be some more quality Saffa's that want a regular game, no?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He couldn't be a caprain as the team wouldn't follow, it's more of a case of who else cam they pick other than cook?

It's is a good shout that his average is stil 48 after a miserable year or two. But we'll never know the full severity of all the backroom BS, Not until an autobiography appears later this year lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

pick your best....simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is being made scape goat for the failings of the entire team.

Its just deflecting that Cook is struggling for runs lacking leadership skills and negative.

Prior and Anderson also failed to produce so is there time up also? Doubt it. Do we need to mention Swanns dummy going?

The signs were there in the summer but it was over looked because we were winning. The only bowler in Finn that always seems to worry Australia got sent home with his confidence ruined.

Only Ben Stokes can hold his head up high.

In summary yes KP was a pain in the arse at times had some bad advice but always went out there to win and entertain didnt always work but at least he went to get at the oppo not shy away.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"He couldn't be a caprain as the team wouldn't follow, it's more of a case of who else cam they pick other than cook?

It's is a good shout that his average is stil 48 after a miserable year or two. But we'll never know the full severity of all the backroom BS, Not until an autobiography appears later this year lol"

If the management can't handle the supposed bullshit that comes with KP (still no one has said what bs!) it is a failing of management therefore the weak link in the team is the management.

When broad was feeding a spoof twitter account lambasting kip it was regarded as quite funny and no action was taken. When swann wrote his autobiography and had a go at kp it was brushed under the carpet. When Anderson firmly backed his mates and had a go at kp it barely got publicity.

When kp sent texts to SA players we are told to believe that they were critical of Strauss even though he denied it. This was confirmed by SA. Even so, he is immediately kicked out of the team and the team were immediately worse!

I accept he can be difficult but he has the right intentions at all times. There have been plenty of difficult people from all walks of life throughout history, they should not be discarded, they should be managed. If people can't manage them then you need to replace the management! For the good of the team!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would have thought Prior would have been a stick-on for the boot; - absolutely useless with the bat & more importantly, a liability with the gloves!

English Cricket is such a snobbish, secret handshake organisation, they're just using kp as the scapegoat to cover their own inadequacies. Also, it's now becoming apparent that 'captain yellowbelly', Cook was at the forefront of KP's exclusion.

The ECB stinks of that same old smell, but on the lighter side, without KP, at least they'll be keeping little old NZ & Bangladesh company for the battle of the wooden spoon - in all three formats!!

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By *orset manMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth

did you listen to Darren Gough on the subject?

He knows everyone involved and after listening to that- IN

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pietersen is a mercenary!

He will follow the money to the IPL or whatever other series that will pay him.

He only played for England because the South Africans rejected him.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"Pietersen is a mercenary!

He will follow the money to the IPL or whatever other series that will pay him.

He only played for England because the South Africans rejected him. "

Kp could have followed the money for years but has chosen not to.

He moved to play in England because of the quota policy of SA cricket which he did not agree with. The South Africans did not want him to go.

As said above, it is down to the bad old ways of the old school tie brigade and having a face that fits.

If the ECB want to rebuild you have to rebuild the broken parts. The captaincy is open to debate but will not be debated even though Cook is clearly NOT a captain.

KP is a scapegoat for a bunch of inadequates.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

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over a year ago

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By *olwaySonarMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

Think he's been back stabbed here by Cook and Giles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pietersen is a mercenary!

He will follow the money to the IPL or whatever other series that will pay him.

He only played for England because the South Africans rejected him.

Kp could have followed the money for years but has chosen not to.

He moved to play in England because of the quota policy of SA cricket which he did not agree with. The South Africans did not want him to go.

As said above, it is down to the bad old ways of the old school tie brigade and having a face that fits.

If the ECB want to rebuild you have to rebuild the broken parts. The captaincy is open to debate but will not be debated even though Cook is clearly NOT a captain.

KP is a scapegoat for a bunch of inadequates."

KP can earn more in 6 weeks in India than a whole year with a central contract, so calling him a mercenary is laughable!!

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"Pietersen is a mercenary!

He will follow the money to the IPL or whatever other series that will pay him.

He only played for England because the South Africans rejected him.

Kp could have followed the money for years but has chosen not to.

He moved to play in England because of the quota policy of SA cricket which he did not agree with. The South Africans did not want him to go.

As said above, it is down to the bad old ways of the old school tie brigade and having a face that fits.

If the ECB want to rebuild you have to rebuild the broken parts. The captaincy is open to debate but will not be debated even though Cook is clearly NOT a captain.

KP is a scapegoat for a bunch of inadequates.

KP can earn more in 6 weeks in India than a whole year with a central contract, so calling him a mercenary is laughable!! "

I just hope that at some point the ECB are going to come clean about this and tell us the REAL reasons behind this because to me it looks like they are taking the easy option with a maverick that they can't control.

We are now left with a team of clones who take the field after memorising a load of stats and graphs, who set fields as they are told before a session, who field and bowl exactly as they are told to from on high and have no feel for the game, no gut instinct, no lateral thinking. A two dimensional, mediocre and predictable non entity of a team and all under the all encompassing delusion of " team spirit". The truth is he is too big for them to handle.

The ECB have weakend the team for the easy way out!

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Scored more runs than anyone else, still young enough, a great fielder.

England should of learned how to manage him and Trott but for obvious differnt reasons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if employment law will be a factor in the KP fiasco.

England management did not say that he was being dropped but actually said he would never be considered again I the future or something along those lines.

Should management have that amount of power and can it be challenged? Yes you can drop a player but surely you do not have the power to say it is indefinite. Dropping players is normally based on current form, which is something that can change at any point.

I suspect further statements will be leaked in the coming days and the usual smoothing over operation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Out, it only takes one bad egg to undermine an entire team, no matter how good they think they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out, it only takes one bad egg to undermine an entire team, no matter how good they think they are."

That's one way to look at it. It could also be the case that you have a team of goody two shoes who are well disciplined but win you nothing

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Out, it only takes one bad egg to undermine an entire team, no matter how good they think they are."

Can you expand on 'undermine'?

I understand he spoke up during a team meeting and Cook didnt like it, next day sacked KP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the problems were not with Peterson I fear"

i read this

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"Out, it only takes one bad egg to undermine an entire team, no matter how good they think they are."

he must have been one of the very worst influences in the dressing room given how poor a lot of the team were down under, and tbh some also last summer over here..

guess now he's gone well see an improvement..?

only the ECB could sack one of the best cricketers but not for what he does on the pitch, suppose if it was for on the pitch there would be precious few left..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out, it only takes one bad egg to undermine an entire team, no matter how good they think they are.

he must have been one of the very worst influences in the dressing room given how poor a lot of the team were down under, and tbh some also last summer over here..

guess now he's gone well see an improvement..?

only the ECB could sack one of the best cricketers but not for what he does on the pitch, suppose if it was for on the pitch there would be precious few left.."

They were poor & very lucky not to be beaten in NZ early last year, also!!

Only one bad egg? I find that very hard to believe!

Considering that he decided to retire when Australia took an unassailable 3-0 lead, I wonder what kind of 'team ethic' Graham Swann had over the years?

Maybe there's 10 bad eggs & one good one???????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out, it only takes one bad egg to undermine an entire team, no matter how good they think they are.

Can you expand on 'undermine'?

I understand he spoke up during a team meeting and Cook didnt like it, next day sacked KP."

Well texting instructions to opposition teams on how to get your captain out would I suggest "undermine" a team. In my view he should never have been accepted back into that team because the message it sends is that the individual is bigger than the team. I don't doubt that he has incredible talent, but I also doubt he has made the best of if and that is down to his mentality which has consistently been shown to be seriously flawed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am I the only one who thinks he was well past his best? And should of gone a long time ago? 1 century in 20 innings isn't test batsmen material, cook maybe struggling for runs but he managed to battle through to seem tough 50's kp just throws his wicket away,

I would say the only England cricketer than can hold his head high through 2013 is bell, he saved the ashes in the summer and was England's best batsmen again in the winter,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out, it only takes one bad egg to undermine an entire team, no matter how good they think they are.

Can you expand on 'undermine'?

I understand he spoke up during a team meeting and Cook didnt like it, next day sacked KP.

Texting weaknesses to the opposition? Can you elaborate on that? Have you seen the sms?

I understood that he sent a message to a so-called friend criticising his captain? Don't see anything wrong with that as he was another weak, cowardly captain who taught Cook all he knew!!

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"Am I the only one who thinks he was well past his best? And should of gone a long time ago? 1 century in 20 innings isn't test batsmen material, cook maybe struggling for runs but he managed to battle through to seem tough 50's kp just throws his wicket away,

I would say the only England cricketer than can hold his head high through 2013 is bell, he saved the ashes in the summer and was England's best batsmen again in the winter, "

Bell best batsman in the winter ?..look at the stats!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out, it only takes one bad egg to undermine an entire team, no matter how good they think they are.

Can you expand on 'undermine'?

I understand he spoke up during a team meeting and Cook didnt like it, next day sacked KP.

Texting weaknesses to the opposition? Can you elaborate on that? Have you seen the sms?

I understood that he sent a message to a so-called friend criticising his captain? Don't see anything wrong with that as he was another weak, cowardly captain who taught Cook all he knew!!

So Strauss and Cook, both of whom led Ashes winning sides are weak and cowardly? I know who I would rather have in my team. As a sports coach I have sometimes had to make difficult decisions with disruptive players, and every time I have asked one to leave, no matter how talented, the team has always got stronger. If Pietersen was a boxer, or golfer he could do what he wants, but as a team player he has to understand that while others may not share his innate natural ability, he is no better or worse than any of them. His record over the years speaks for itself, he has fallen out with counties, coaches and team mates and that tells the story of the man. Hard work will always beat talent when talent doesn't work hard enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would say the only England cricketer than can hold his head high through 2013 is bell, he saved the ashes in the summer and was England's best batsmen again in the winter,

Bell best batsman in the winter ?..look at the stats!"

Going off stats he's 4th for the winter series on average, but stokes and carberry are above him, they both got one decent innings and then nothing, cell scored 2 50's and a couple of 40's over the series he was the best batsmen, and certainly in the summer he was light years ahead of anyone else

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Funny how team ethics, culture and team spirit were OK when England were winning with Pietersen. Making him the scapegoat for the debacle in Australia covers up management and captaincy issues that require serious scrutiny.

Seems to me that Pietersen was the only one with the balls to say what others were thinking. The row with Cook says it all. Cook said prior to the 4th Test that England weren't fit enough, and ordered a fitness session. Pietersen argued that a skills session would be more beneficial. Anybody with the slightest knowledge of sports science understands fitness at that level cannot be possibly achieved in one session. Cook was simply floundering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

@citygentforyou.

You're speaking as though you know what was going on in the dressing room - do you actually know?

And you said that KP was giving information to opposition - did you make that up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"@citygentforyou.

You're speaking as though you know what was going on in the dressing room - do you actually know?

And you said that KP was giving information to opposition - did you make that up?"

I have spoken with senior figures at clubs he has been at and with certain journalists close to the situation, not a perfect source of information for sure, but a very consistent message emerges from every source. The great thing about sport is every one can have an opinion, yours and mine differ. As I said earlier, I would have been rid of him a long time ago.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"@citygentforyou.

You're speaking as though you know what was going on in the dressing room - do you actually know?

And you said that KP was giving information to opposition - did you make that up?

and yet both Michael Vaughan and Alec Stewart have said in the last 2 days that they had no issue's with his commitment and attitude, either in the dressing room and on the field..

yes granted something went on which was ott with the tweets etc..

trouble is with a lot of 'those in the know' the green eyed monster,internal politics or mischief making will always be prevelant..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"@citygentforyou.

You're speaking as though you know what was going on in the dressing room - do you actually know?

And you said that KP was giving information to opposition - did you make that up?

Yep, - & Shane Warne, obviously!!

Poor, weak coaches cannot handle the big personalities; - that's why they 'rarely' reach the highest level.

& I stand by what I said about Strauss & Cook; the most cowardly when it came to an aggressive declaration - & team success doesn't necessarily mean a good captain, obviously; "here Freddy, Swanny, have a bowl!".

Stephen Flemming was twice the captain as either of them but without the success!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"@citygentforyou.

You're speaking as though you know what was going on in the dressing room - do you actually know?

And you said that KP was giving information to opposition - did you make that up?

Yep, - & Shane Warne, obviously!!

Poor, weak coaches cannot handle the big personalities; - that's why they 'rarely' reach the highest level.

Stephen Flemming was twice the captain as either of them but without the success!!"

Managing big personalities in professional sport is a real skill. Who has done it best?? Ferguson maybe? Got the best out of the likes of Keane, and van Nistelrooy before they challenged him and were gone. Were United better with or without them? No one will ever know, but everyone knew that Ferguson was boss, that the team was everything and challenge that and you were gone.

Warne was maverick, difficult and by his own admission a pain in the backside, but he was also fiercely patriotic and put the Aussie team ahead of his own ego on many occasions.

Pietersen's career is on the way down, his stats lately aren't as good as they were, and once that happened I think those in charge were much less likely to pander to his ego and something had to give.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

I would say the only England cricketer than can hold his head high through 2013 is bell, he saved the ashes in the summer and was England's best batsmen again in the winter,

Bell best batsman in the winter ?..look at the stats!

I see you have omitted to mention who topped the Ashes averages...Bell gave his wicket away as readily as the rest, and like it or not top order batsman live and die on their averages.That said Bell is a fine batsman, but like the rest had a poor series.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

KP's form took a dive from when he was dropped previously, wrongly in my opinion, all because of a private text message to a Judas 'friend'; hardly a just reason.

He's by far England's best Batsman & unless he's reinstated, as I said before, I fully expect England to battle it out with NZ & Bangladesh for the coveted wooden spoon of world Cricket.

If you're going to bring youngsters in to the England set up, as in any sport, you have to have the correct blend of experience & youth - who in English cricket has his class & work ethic?

They're making a huge mistake, resembling Steve McClaren's dropping of Beckham - & we all know what happened next!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"KP's form took a dive from when he was dropped previously, wrongly in my opinion, all because of a private text message to a Judas 'friend'; hardly a just reason.

He's by far England's best Batsman & unless he's reinstated, as I said before, I fully expect England to battle it out with NZ & Bangladesh for the coveted wooden spoon of world Cricket.

If you're going to bring youngsters in to the England set up, as in any sport, you have to have the correct blend of experience & youth - who in English cricket has his class & work ethic?

They're making a huge mistake, resembling Steve McClaren's dropping of Beckham - & we all know what happened next!!"

We will have to disagree on the texts!

There are enough seasoned test players to carry through a new generation, Cook and Bell, both with records which are right up there with the best, Prior and the Broad and Anderson who are both proven at the highest level. Combined with the likes of Stokes and Root who have already shown they can take the step from county to test level there is every reason to feel positive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep, we'll definitely have to agree to disagree;

Cook is a weak captain, prior is probably the worst wicketkeeper in the world at present, Bell - aside from the last few years - has been mentally very weak, both Root & Stokes approached KP for batting coaching in Australia, & Alec Stewart is more than happy to have KP at Middx, infact only yesterday he was coaching them.

I'd re-instate him as captain if it was me - turf out the sorties; that would put the cat amongst them!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an Aussie all im saying is OUT!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As an Aussie all im saying is OUT!!!

Lol - you would, wouldn't you!

If he went to live in oz - you guys would fast track him in, that's for sure; - he'd be wearing a corkstrung hat quicker than you could say 'bonza mate!!'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep, we'll definitely have to agree to disagree;

I'd re-instate him as captain if it was me - turf out the sorties; that would put the cat amongst them!!!"

Good idea given what a great job he did last time! But I'm guessing that wouldn't be his fault either? And Stewart is at Surrey, as is Pietersen.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Out, it only takes one bad egg to undermine an entire team, no matter how good they think they are.

Can you expand on 'undermine'?

I understand he spoke up during a team meeting and Cook didnt like it, next day sacked KP.

The undermining/texting thing was sorted and is water under the bridge and has nothing to do with The ECB's decision. You can't use that. He was tried, tested, found guilty and apologised and had nothing to do with the recent tour.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Yep, we'll definitely have to agree to disagree;

I'd re-instate him as captain if it was me - turf out the sorties; that would put the cat amongst them!!!"

In regards to the players mentioned do you have anything to back your opinions up, none of it is factual.

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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

out and to be honest he should never have been in hes south African

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over a year ago

"Yep, we'll definitely have to agree to disagree;

I'd re-instate him as captain if it was me - turf out the sorties; that would put the cat amongst them!!!

In regards to the players mentioned do you have anything to back your opinions up, none of it is factual."

But that's only your opinion - like mine but mines correct!

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over a year ago

"out and to be honest he should never have been in hes south African "

I wonder how England would have done over the last few decades without foreigners? Even worse, I'd guess!!

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over a year ago

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"out and to be honest he should never have been in hes south African

I wonder how England would have done over the last few decades without foreigners? Even worse, I'd guess!!

Isnt it what we do though! Hes English when hes playing good a couple of mistakes and he gets sacrificed!

That said i know very little about cricket to my dads great dismay

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over a year ago

"out and to be honest he should never have been in hes south African

I wonder how England would have done over the last few decades without foreigners? Even worse, I'd guess!!

Isnt it what we do though! Hes English when hes playing good a couple of mistakes and he gets sacrificed!

That said i know very little about cricket to my dads great dismay

You know more about Cricket than some of the above!!

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over a year ago

London

"out and to be honest he should never have been in hes south African

I wonder how England would have done over the last few decades without foreigners? Even worse, I'd guess!!

Isnt it what we do though! Hes English when hes playing good a couple of mistakes and he gets sacrificed!

That said i know very little about cricket to my dads great dismay

You know more about Cricket than some of the above!!

My dad would be proud! Lol! X

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over a year ago

"What do think? Sacrifice the talent for overall team harmony?

Jayxxxxx

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He is a south african and should not be there in the first place

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over a year ago

"Yep, we'll definitely have to agree to disagree;

I'd re-instate him as captain if it was me - turf out the sorties; that would put the cat amongst them!!!

Good idea given what a great job he did last time! But I'm guessing that wouldn't be his fault either? And Stewart is at Surrey, as is Pietersen."

Surrey, I stand corrected.

But I'd still have KP back as captain, - he's the only guy left with a bit of grit, & if it wasn't for him, England would still be without a world limited overs trophy.

England have traditionally been, from management down, a bunch of spineless whooses

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over a year ago

But when he was captain, albeit for a short time he was a complete disaster, I struggle to understand why you think he would be any better now?

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over a year ago

in no brainer top scorer in would aussies do it no typical English management bloody useless FA same and government countries fucked

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over a year ago

"But when he was captain, albeit for a short time he was a complete disaster, I struggle to understand why you think he would be any better now?"

Because he's the only guy with a pair of balls!!

Who's to say that given more time, he wouldn't have been a success?

The look on Cooks face in oz; - I'm sure the Ozzie's would have taken a load of confidence from that alone, he looked clueless & about Robles break down & cry!!

Embarrassing, to say the least!!

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over a year ago

pietersen chose to play for england because he didnt like the south african quota system.... because it didnt pick him, he has always put himself first time for him to go...for good

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over a year ago

"But when he was captain, albeit for a short time he was a complete disaster, I struggle to understand why you think he would be any better now?

Because he's the only guy with a pair of balls!!

Who's to say that given more time, he wouldn't have been a success?

The look on Cooks face in oz; - I'm sure the Ozzie's would have taken a load of confidence from that alone, he looked clueless & about Robles break down & cry!!

Embarrassing, to say the least!!"

But how has he got balls? Everytime the situation called for him to tough it out over the winter, he got out trying to play the big crowd pleasing shots. He let his team down time and again and looked disinterested in the field. What qualities other than being able to start an argument in an empty room has he got to be an international captain?

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over a year ago

i was all for removing him from the england set up over the andrew strauss incident however after listening to steve harmison and michael vaughan on bbc 5 live last night i have changed my outlook on him.

they both described kevin pietersen as a shy insecure person who person who hides behind his ego they also stated he was the ultimate team player which i found strange as were ever he has been either nottingham hampshire surrey and england there as been issues however they were both adamant that this was the case and to be honest when you look at his facts and figures he starts to stack up (8181 test runs in 181 innings 47.28 average)

all i know is that i have witnessed him in full flight in the flesh when he made 158 at the oval and 71 at edgbaston in 2005 and i watched in awe on the tv at his 186 in mumbai against india in 2012.

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over a year ago

@citygentforyou. Well, considering he's England's best player, that doesn't say much for the rest of the losers, does it????

Interesting how you haven't once suggested any other player for the chop!!

No, I totally agree with Darren Gough on this one; best trainer, has loads of time for helping the younger players & more importantly, by far the best player!!

It's idiotic to drop him!!!

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

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Textgate....the SA players said there was nothing derogatory about any England player. They did not need to be told how to get Strauss out, they had a captain who worked it out for himself quite well.

Cook....as a batsmen, no problem. As a captain he is simply awful as witnessed by the ridiculous bowling at Michael Clarke where he did not have the courage to recognise that the well publicised plan to get him out did not work!! He dare not stray from the plans agreed with the coach, that is cowardly.

In the Trent bridge test, when haddin was batting to win the game and Anderson was bowling, prior had the nouse to stand up to the wicket, this meant Haddon had to play from the crease and play the swinging ball later. Any club captain would automatically bring in a 2nd slip, it did not even enter cooks head! Terrible captaincy!!

Kp is the only player we have to stand up to the coaches and ECB and say no. The ECB have never liked that.

Kp is the only batsman we have who is able to force a team to change plans and tactics, as witnessed in the Sri Lanka test when he was switch hitting murali into the stands. The worlds leading wicket taker had no idea where or how to bowl to him and their captain said he needed 4 extra fielders. He has got out trying to repeat that, trying to wrestle control away from the opposition. When it does not work he is slaughtered, mainly from people with an agenda.

Right now England need KP more than vice versa but we also need a management team good enough to handle him. That is the major problem.

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over a year ago

"Textgate....the SA players said there was nothing derogatory about any England player. They did not need to be told how to get Strauss out, they had a captain who worked it out for himself quite well.

Kp is the only player we have to stand up to the coaches and ECB and say no. The ECB have never liked that.

Right now England need KP more than vice versa but we also need a management team good enough to handle him. That is the major problem.

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over a year ago

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Kp is the only player we have to stand up to the coaches and ECB and say no. The ECB have never liked that.

Right now England need KP more than vice versa but we also need a management team good enough to handle him. That is the major problem.

good post "

I know.

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over a year ago

And do you know what the worst thing is? Real cricket fans all around the world will no longer be able to watch him playing international cricket, - that's criminal!!!

He's such a brilliant player to watch, never boring, - even when he was scoring only 15-20 runs per hour in some of those incredible head to heads with Shane Warne!!

The ECB have always been a bunch of idiots.

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over a year ago

"@citygentforyou. Well, considering he's England's best player, that doesn't say much for the rest of the losers, does it????

Interesting how you haven't once suggested any other player for the chop!!

No, I totally agree with Darren Gough on this one; best trainer, has loads of time for helping the younger players & more importantly, by far the best player!!

It's idiotic to drop him!!!"

Time will tell! I think he is past his best, lacks the discipline to do a job for the team and if England are to rebuild they need to do it with players who are 100% behind the coaches and captain.

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over a year ago

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"And do you know what the worst thing is? Real cricket fans all around the world will no longer be able to watch him playing international cricket, - that's criminal!!!

He's such a brilliant player to watch, never boring, - even when he was scoring only 15-20 runs per hour in some of those incredible head to heads with Shane Warne!!

The ECB have always been a bunch of idiots."

Agreed. And it takes someone with courage to say so, as was the case when KP was captain. He did not believe Moores was up to the job and said so. Typical ECB reaction to their yes man being challenged there to.

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over a year ago

Of course, I forgot about Moores, the expert coach!

You're correct - just another ecb 'yes' man.

It's about time that there was a proper clean out of the dead wood upstairs, but, alas, there'll be no one left!!!

I can see sky tv losing out on many subscribers from this, also.

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over a year ago

English cricket has had a very good period over a number of years seeing the side rise to #1 in the world rankings. And yet to read some of the comments everyone involved other than Kevin Pietersen has been useless, weak, cowardly etc.

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over a year ago

They wouldn't have reached no.1 without KP - that's for sure!!

Getting to no.1 is one thing, many have done that, but staying there is quite another. Far too many softies & fair weather players in that team - now watch them fall!!!

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over a year ago

"They wouldn't have reached no.1 without KP - that's for sure!!

Getting to no.1 is one thing, many have done that, but staying there is quite another. Far too many softies & fair weather players in that team - now watch them fall!!!"

You say it with such glee, am beginning to think you must be an Aussie or South African

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over a year ago

Kp is the only player we have to stand up to the coaches and ECB and say no. The ECB have never liked that.

Right now England need KP more than vice versa but we also need a management team good enough to handle him. That is the major problem.

good post

I know.

its your modesty that constantly draws me to your profile

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over a year ago

"They wouldn't have reached no.1 without KP - that's for sure!!

Getting to no.1 is one thing, many have done that, but staying there is quite another. Far too many softies & fair weather players in that team - now watch them fall!!!

You say it with such glee, am beginning to think you must be an Aussie or South African

Kiwi maybe?

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

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"They wouldn't have reached no.1 without KP - that's for sure!!

Getting to no.1 is one thing, many have done that, but staying there is quite another. Far too many softies & fair weather players in that team - now watch them fall!!!"

Bless you for your support on Kev..remember until 1961 it was Gentleman and Players..Cook is a gentleman and Pietersen is a player it was ever thus.

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over a year ago

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"They wouldn't have reached no.1 without KP - that's for sure!!

Getting to no.1 is one thing, many have done that, but staying there is quite another. Far too many softies & fair weather players in that team - now watch them fall!!!

You say it with such glee, am beginning to think you must be an Aussie or South African

its because im an england supporter that i am so angry about it. We are constantly repeating the mistakes of the past purely to ensure the establishment remains, regardless of how useless they have proven to be!!

P.s. gentleman and players? Both mentioned players are players so i dont get that point.

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over a year ago

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Read the history of cricket...until 1961 players were segregated..gentlemen equalled amateurs..professionals equalled players..the point I'm making is the game in England is still run by establishment gentlemen..ie..amateurs..which is precisely what Botham says!

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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Along with very many others, I'm aware of the players and gentlemen arrangement but I don't believe that can be blamed for this fiasco.

The game nowadays is a professional game, however, the ECB do have a long and glorious tradition of incompetence which they seem to be fiercely protective of.

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over a year ago

A step in the right direction would be the banning of all blazers, Panama hats & the only Bacon & eggs to be seen should be sandwiched between bread rolls!!!

The hierarchy of English Cricket are stuck in a time warp & seriously need to be transported from the 19th to the 21st century;

Is it just me or is there at least one Doctor Who episode there?

Monty Python have already tried decades ago!!

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"A step in the right direction would be the banning of all blazers, Panama hats & the only Bacon & eggs to be seen should be sandwiched between bread rolls!!!

The hierarchy of English Cricket are stuck in a time warp & seriously need to be transported from the 19th to the 21st century;

Is it just me or is there at least one Doctor Who episode there?

Monty Python have already tried decades ago!!

Ok, so trying to work through your proposals to rescue English cricket, you'd have KP as captain, you would get rid of Cook, Bell and others, you would get rid of the ECB and coaching staff and would also get rid of many of the supporters who pay to watch. I'm intrigued to see what your Blueprint for the future is, can you enlighten us?

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over a year ago

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"A step in the right direction would be the banning of all blazers, Panama hats & the only Bacon & eggs to be seen should be sandwiched between bread rolls!!!

The hierarchy of English Cricket are stuck in a time warp & seriously need to be transported from the 19th to the 21st century;

Is it just me or is there at least one Doctor Who episode there?

Monty Python have already tried decades ago!!

I don't recall anybody saying they want to get rid of Cook or Bell, both must stay, however, Cook is a poor captain and should be replaced as captain. A strong captain is needed right now not a puppet.

The ECB has Long been a short sighted and baffling body, the Alan Stanford episode being a case in point. They are however much better than their predecessor the MCC.

The coaching set up could be trimmed but the important point there is that we need to get away from the over reliance on stats, analysis and graphs and allow a proper captain to captain the team, not merely go onto the field trying to remember the "plans" given to him by a computer.

For the good of English cricket, we need a strong leader and coach now. We are making a huge mistake if we are saying to the new coach,"this is your captain and you can't pick this player, now get on with it." No self respecting coach would take on such a major role under those restrictions. The new coach MUST be able to pick his own team and captain otherwise you are restricting the coach of choice to just a few yes men rather than the very best we can get.

The ECB have cocked up again and it is time for it to stop.

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over a year ago

"A step in the right direction would be the banning of all blazers, Panama hats & the only Bacon & eggs to be seen should be sandwiched between bread rolls!!!

The hierarchy of English Cricket are stuck in a time warp & seriously need to be transported from the 19th to the 21st century;

Is it just me or is there at least one Doctor Who episode there?

Monty Python have already tried decades ago!!

The ECB has Long been a short sighted and baffling body, the Alan Stanford episode being a case in point. They are however much better than their predecessor the MCC.

The ECB have cocked up again and it is time for it to stop.

Mr Naughtyous Maximus described Cook and Bell as spineless cowards, so one has to assume he wouldn't pick them.

Good to hear your thoughts (unlike Mr naughtyous who just rants!), I suspect we share a lot of same views. A strong leader who can unify the team is needed, there is plenty of talent coming through and I think with the right guidance England will get back on track.

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over a year ago

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"A step in the right direction would be the banning of all blazers, Panama hats & the only Bacon & eggs to be seen should be sandwiched between bread rolls!!!

The hierarchy of English Cricket are stuck in a time warp & seriously need to be transported from the 19th to the 21st century;

Is it just me or is there at least one Doctor Who episode there?

Monty Python have already tried decades ago!!

The ECB has Long been a short sighted and baffling body, the Alan Stanford episode being a case in point. They are however much better than their predecessor the MCC.

The ECB have cocked up again and it is time for it to stop.

Mr Naughtyous Maximus described Cook and Bell as spineless cowards, so one has to assume he wouldn't pick them.

This is the most important thing for me. I want to see a strong and exciting England team who are able to compete with the best ASAP. In order to do this we need to give the new coach a blank canvass but as it stands the ECB are not going to allow the new coach to use all his colours!

I personally would have KP as the first name on my team sheet, the new coach may not but he MUST be given that choice.

This course of action by the ECB smells of vindictiveness to me, in a professional sport, there is no place for that and as I said, would someone like Kirsten really take the job under those restrictions? No self respecting chap would allow one hand to be tied behind his back before taking on a job which may define his future. That is rank stupidity and sheer bloody minded ness from the ECB!

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over a year ago

I have no doubt there is more to the story than any of us know. But decision has been made so time to move on. I hope within a couple of years the performance of the team will justify the decision.

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over a year ago

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"I have no doubt there is more to the story than any of us know. But decision has been made so time to move on. I hope within a couple of years the performance of the team will justify the decision."

And there is the problem. The decision should be made purely by the new coach and by taking that away from him we are limiting our choice to people who are willing to be dictated to. Is that really the calibre of person we want?

The ECB said that the decision was made for non cricketing reasons ( idiots!) I want the team to be picked for cricketing reasons and I want the new coach to be able to do that. He must not be restricted in his decisions because of different rules applied to different people.

We keep hearing rumours of KP behaving like a brat without ever being told what that behaviour is, however, we all know of the fake twitter accounts, the attacks in autobiographies, the broken windows, all these are happily accepted. These are clear double standards.

As you say, the decision has been made, it looks unjustified to me. It is a bad decision and must be either fully explained or reversed.

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over a year ago

I'm sure it will over time! But having been in a position where as a coach I had to ask the most talented player to leave a team, I can tell you it is not an easy decision. I had players and supporters upset and confused. But I explained the situation, and nearly a year on not one person would have him back, the individuals in the team have stepped up, the atmosphere is better and performances have improved. Hopefully England can do the same.

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over a year ago

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"I'm sure it will over time! But having been in a position where as a coach I had to ask the most talented player to leave a team, I can tell you it is not an easy decision. I had players and supporters upset and confused. But I explained the situation, and nearly a year on not one person would have him back, the individuals in the team have stepped up, the atmosphere is better and performances have improved. Hopefully England can do the same."

And good luck to you and your team, however, I'm am bloody well hoping that when the new coach comes in he is not basing his strategy on hoping things work out!!!! I want the best players and I hope the coach will too. I don't care if people don't get on, as professionals they should cope with that with no problem at all.

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over a year ago

I think that is KPs problem, rather than just getting on with his job he has to get involved. While this maybe well intentioned it has the adverse effect and creates more problems.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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dont take this the wrong way but comparing the local tiddly winks league with an international cricket team seems a tad confusing..?

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dont take this the wrong way but comparing the local tiddly winks league with an international cricket team seems a tad confusing..?

I fully appreciate we are talking different levels, the point I was trying to make was that sometimes people are just too much trouble and the good of the team far outweighs the demands of the individual. It happens not only in sport but everywhere in life, sometimes change is needed for the greater good (I "mutually agreed" to leave a firm because I had made it clear that I felt the place was badly run etc etc, I was right as subsequent events proved but it was also right that I left as the situation became untenable for everyone).

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

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dont take this the wrong way but comparing the local tiddly winks league with an international cricket team seems a tad confusing..?

Exactly, and that's why Cook and his cronies should resign. Pietersen simply said what others were thinking. Surprise, surprise when it came to the crunch they backed down, and we know why..because they are protecting their jobs.

Do you honestly believe that when bidding starts for the IPL or the Big Bash that team 'ethics', being a lovely chap has any bearing on selection?.

Like it or not, that is the way cricket is going as attendances prove

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over a year ago

And now we know why traditionally our sportspeople perform poorly in a multitude of team sports, weather that's tiddlywinks, the local darts team or whatever; poor, poor coaches!!!

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By *imply_SensualMan
over a year ago

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No matter whether its sport or industry, a manager needs the team/staff more than they need a manager - hence its down to the manager to actually manage. If thats involves difficult people, then the manager has to learn - Vaughan did it - getting rid of someone who is perceived as disruptive is the easy option. The disruption is only there because some people have a desire to win.

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over a year ago

But if there is no order you have chaos. If you have no respect for leadership and no leadership skills then you have anarchy. The worlds greatest orchestra's would be nothing without their conductors.

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over a year ago

"And now we know why traditionally our sportspeople perform poorly in a multitude of team sports, weather that's tiddlywinks, the local darts team or whatever; poor, poor coaches!!!

I'm still waiting to hear your Blueprint for future success, I won't hold my breath! It is easy to be an armchair critic, try doing rather than watching, you may learn something although I doubt it.

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over a year ago

They just dont want him to top the all time England run rate if you ask me.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

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dont take this the wrong way but comparing the local tiddly winks league with an international cricket team seems a tad confusing..?

With respect, you are repeating the same rumours that the media continually churn out. KP is trouble, causes problems etc etc. everything he does is blown out of proportion. Can you tell me exactly what he has done, fact rather than rumour? I have heard he sent texts to SA players, that is fact, the content of the texts is only rumour and the worse possible scenario was he gave advice on how to dismiss Strauss. They did not need that advice as they were doing it quite easily themselves.

If KP had set up a parody twitter account taking the piss out of a team mate, would that have been tolerated? I have my doubts. If KP had attacked a team mate in an autobiography, would that have been tolerated? Again, I have my doubts. if KP had broke a window in a fit of angst, deliberate or not, would that have been tolerated? I really don't believe so. Those examples happened and were brushed under the carpet. Two of those examples were aimed at one member of the team and we're ignored.

When people talk about team spirit, let's talk about fact and not rumour. Going on fact, I would suggest that KP is more sinned against than sinner. Why then are we so protective of the rest and react so disapprovingly to rumour. In

ANY other place of work there could easily be an investigation into bullying!

KP, I'm sure, is no saint, however, to throw the best player we have out in order to protect fragile boys who can give it out (fact) but can't take it (alleged) is the wrong way to go.

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over a year ago

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"No matter whether its sport or industry, a manager needs the team/staff more than they need a manager - hence its down to the manager to actually manage. If thats involves difficult people, then the manager has to learn - Vaughan did it - getting rid of someone who is perceived as disruptive is the easy option. The disruption is only there because some people have a desire to win."

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

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Im not knocking him as a cricketer but KP would love this thread, over 2 days old now

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over a year ago

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"Im not knocking him as a cricketer but KP would love this thread, over 2 days old now"

Really? I'm sure he would prefer that there was no need for anyone to start it in the first place.

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over a year ago

I said earlier in the thread that I have been fortunate enough to spend some time with senior people in the game who I count as friends and who have worked directly with KP. I take what I have been told at face value and the message has been very consistent. KP has many attributes as a player, but as Gilchrist said in the Aussie press, some of his characteristics as a human being are better suited to individual and not team sport. I stand by my opinion that the team will be better off without him, they will no doubt miss his ability bit not everything that goes with it.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

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Can't add much other than to repeat the words of my mate who played with him at Cannock CC years ago when he first came over to the UK...'great bloke, hits the ball miles, fucking enormous cock'!

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over a year ago

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"I said earlier in the thread that I have been fortunate enough to spend some time with senior people in the game who I count as friends and who have worked directly with KP. I take what I have been told at face value and the message has been very consistent. KP has many attributes as a player, but as Gilchrist said in the Aussie press, some of his characteristics as a human being are better suited to individual and not team sport. I stand by my opinion that the team will be better off without him, they will no doubt miss his ability bit not everything that goes with it."

We could have a pissing contest about who knows who etc etc but that does no one any good and we may well have mutual acquaintances, let's leave that to one side.

Cricket is an individual sport played within a team framework. If the individual plays well, the team benefits, Adam gilchrist and, I suspect, you know that therefore it is a moot point.

Again, what do we KNOW that KP has done? We all know plenty that the rest of the team has done which is detrimental to the team and has been ignored. The rumours about KP are taken more seriously than the facts about others. Why is that?

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over a year ago

"And now we know why traditionally our sportspeople perform poorly in a multitude of team sports, weather that's tiddlywinks, the local darts team or whatever; poor, poor coaches!!!

I'm still waiting to hear your Blueprint for future success, I won't hold my breath! It is easy to be an armchair critic, try doing rather than watching, you may learn something although I doubt it.

Are you just a talker, though? You've made a point on more than one occasion that you're a 'coach' - but have so far failed to disclose which sport you're a coach of? ...... or should we all just believe you?

or is it really the local pub's darts/pool teams?

..... whichever it is, you've proven in this thread that you use antiquated methods!! Do you insist upon feathered dart flights?

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"Can't add much other than to repeat the words of my mate who played with him at Cannock CC years ago when he first came over to the UK...'great bloke, hits the ball miles, fucking enormous cock'!"

No one gets on with everyone. It's not important. Lucky bloke though, in the same team? What a fantastic claim to fame.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

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"Can't add much other than to repeat the words of my mate who played with him at Cannock CC years ago when he first came over to the UK...'great bloke, hits the ball miles, fucking enormous cock'!

No one gets on with everyone. It's not important. Lucky bloke though, in the same team? What a fantastic claim to fame."

Yeah, he was in same team. I think Peterson was only there for one season, possibly two. There used to be a classic match report from the Birmingham Post, written by Halesowen's captain about Peterson scoring a ton of runs and losing 3 balls on the M6 one afternoon but it's very difficult to find these days...Googling Kevin Peterson brings back a lot of replies!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Can't add much other than to repeat the words of my mate who played with him at Cannock CC years ago when he first came over to the UK...'great bloke, hits the ball miles, fucking enormous cock'!

No one gets on with everyone. It's not important. Lucky bloke though, in the same team? What a fantastic claim to fame."

No, his claim to fame was bullying Ian Bell out with a barrage of bouncers...when Bell was about 14 and playing in the senior leagues

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over a year ago

Aaaaaaaah, he now says he knows senior people in the game - very antiquated people, like his methods!!!

Its wasn't Peter Moores by any chance? Bumble?

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over a year ago

"Aaaaaaaah, he now says he knows senior people in the game - very antiquated people, like his methods!!!

Its wasn't Peter Moores by any chance? Bumble?

I haven't told you anything about my methods, or my sport, or the level at which I coach, I have merely tried to educate you on what it is like from the other side. For me, it is all about the team, you may disagree, but that is my philosophy and one which has served me and my players well. I don't know your philosophy because you seem capable only of hurling insults rather than debating the issues. The great thing about sport is that everyone has an opinion, whether it is football, rugby or cricket people will always debate what the best team is etc. I am still waiting for you to tell me what you would do, you know my opinion, but as I said earlier I won't hold my breath waiting. Enjoy your armchair and remote control and keep enjoying your sport

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, I refuse to be taught by someone who obviously knows very little about man management but claims to do so!!

You're sounding pathetic, dude.

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over a year ago

"No, I refuse to be taught by someone who obviously knows very little about man management but claims to do so!!

You're sounding pathetic, dude."

But you know nothing about me or my man management skills, I haven't claimed to do anything other than set out an alternative view. You refuse to accept that someone can have a different opinion to you that has been well articulated. You have failed to back up your opinions preferring instead to make childish insults. So on that basis thank you for the comment which to use your phrase was rather "pathetic".

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"No, I refuse to be taught by someone who obviously knows very little about man management but claims to do so!!

You're sounding pathetic, dude.

I would appreciate it if you reply to my querie.

As a coach, would you listen to rumour and punish a player based on rumour?

If there is clear, documented evidence of players publicly ridiculing a team member, would you act on that or turn a blind eye?

Why are rumours about KP more serious than facts about others?

I believe there is a hidden agenda and I want the ECB to come clean on that.

P.s. Kirsten appears to have ruled himself out of the England job now. I strongly suspect that we have lost the chance of getting the worlds best coach, a coach who has successfully worked with KP, because of the pathetic, amateurish way this has been handled by the ECB. In a few weeks time we will be told that a chap with a few months coaching experience was always the first choice! Bloody pathetic!!!

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over a year ago

"No, I refuse to be taught by someone who obviously knows very little about man management but claims to do so!!

You're sounding pathetic, dude.

I would appreciate it if you reply to my querie.

As a coach, would you listen to rumour and punish a player based on rumour?

If there is clear, documented evidence of players publicly ridiculing a team member, would you act on that or turn a blind eye?

Why are rumours about KP more serious than facts about others?

I believe there is a hidden agenda and I want the ECB to come clean on that.

Of course you wouldn't make a decision based on rumour, and I doubt that the ECB have done so here. They will have their reasons for dismissing Pietersen, as I'm sure they have their reasons for removing the coach. They are guilty of handling the situation poorly. As a coach I have to be able to justify my decisions when asked, failure to do so is unacceptable. People may not agree with those decisions (and as we have shown here, opinions can be wide and varied), but they should at least understand the rationale as to why they have been made.

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over a year ago

And ultimately you should be judged on the success or failure of those decisions, that is what leadership is about in my view, taking responsibility for the success or failure of your decisions.

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over a year ago

Hold on - you are hardly the England coach, yet in one of your earliest posts you accused KP of passing on tactical information to SA, - but backed it up by mere rumor.

Yes, a magnificent coach you truly are!!

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over a year ago

"Hold on - you are hardly the England coach, yet in one of your earliest posts you accused KP of passing on tactical information to SA, - but backed it up by mere rumor.

Yes, a magnificent coach you truly are!!

Again, you have no idea what type of coach I am but you are right, I am not the England coach and never will be. I was shown a copy of the texts Pietersen sent, he apologised to Strauss and Strauss choose to accept the apology and that kept him in the side. As I said earlier, I would have removed him at that point for undermining the captain and not acting in the best interests of the team. You may choose to disagree with me (which I am sure you will!), but that is fine, as I keep saying, sport is about opinions and why we all love it.

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over a year ago

It's all irrelevant anyway.

The game, and The ECB ( whatever happened to Wales) in particular have sold out, their only concern is money and then more money.

The irony being that KP will now easily make much more in less time.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

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"No, I refuse to be taught by someone who obviously knows very little about man management but claims to do so!!

You're sounding pathetic, dude.

I would appreciate it if you reply to my querie.

As a coach, would you listen to rumour and punish a player based on rumour?

If there is clear, documented evidence of players publicly ridiculing a team member, would you act on that or turn a blind eye?

Why are rumours about KP more serious than facts about others?

I believe there is a hidden agenda and I want the ECB to come clean on that.

If they have their reasons they should come clean and say what they are, all they have said so far is "non cricketing reasons"

They did not get rid of flower, he has stood down. As I said, we both know high up people and my high up person had not seen the text, what did it say?

Without knowing these things, and we don't, it is not possible to understand the rationale!

We have however, seen the mock twitter account, the autobiography etc, why we're these not dealt with according to your high up geezer?

How do you feel about now only being able to get a 2nd or 3rd choice coach?

According to piers Morgan on the radio earlier, the reason KP got sacked was because he was whistling after being dismissed in the Melbourne match, if this is true, is it a good basis to pick a team?

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over a year ago

Would the aussies have kicked him out ... I doubt it ,warne was always outspoken never did them any harm

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

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"Would the aussies have kicked him out ... I doubt it ,warne was always outspoken never did them any harm"

Outspoken, pain

in the arse, banned for taking illegal diuretics, banned for giving pitch reports to illegal bookies. All very naughty and all dealt with in the correct manner. KP, we don't know what he has done and he is sacked for it! I wish someone would explain this.

Will someone please explain why no action is taken when fake twitter accounts are set up and scathing autobiographies are serialised in tabloids?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt even KP himself is this bothered.

Are you KP?

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

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I doubt even KP himself is this bothered.

Are you KP? "

No. I'm a cricket fan sick and tired of continual cock ups. I'm sorry for being angry about this and promise not to post again. Very sorry to have troubled you. Thank you and good night.

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