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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples" There's nothing like a well thought out and balanced _iew. And this comment is nothing like a well thought out and balanced _iew. More provocative bollocks. I really can't be bothered. | |||
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples There's nothing like a well thought out and balanced _iew. And this comment is nothing like a well thought out and balanced _iew. More provocative bollocks. I really can't be bothered. " to be fair, not everyone on benefits are like stated above, but if we are going to be honest the type that go on TV do represent the type of person described above | |||
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"I work for myself and was getting some cash out of the cash machine Xmas week gone and i was hit over the head and had my cash taken of me by two blokes who was known to the police drug dependent just waiting to take them to court ,Knowing the justice system they will get away with it . " most of us have been stolen off at some point, ive been mugged by 2 guys in the post office, one litterly pushed me over as the other grabbed my purse as I went to pay for a stamp, I do community nursing and as I don't dive I get to my calls via push bike, I had 5 bikes stolen from outside service users homes last year alone, you cant be bitter towards everyone who don't work just because some are bad eggs, some who work arnt such nice people either | |||
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"I work for myself and was getting some cash out of the cash machine Xmas week gone and i was hit over the head and had my cash taken of me by two blokes who was known to the police drug dependent just waiting to take them to court ,Knowing the justice system they will get away with it . " Meanwhile, the directors of companies who rip of thousands of people go free. Lifes not fair. | |||
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"I work for myself and was getting some cash out of the cash machine Xmas week gone and i was hit over the head and had my cash taken of me by two blokes who was known to the police drug dependent just waiting to take them to court ,Knowing the justice system they will get away with it . " Ah, that makes it totally ok to class everyone on benefits as alcohol and drug abusing smokers who live the life of Riley at the expense of the poor, hard working tax payer. Got ya. | |||
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"I work for myself and was getting some cash out of the cash machine Xmas week gone and i was hit over the head and had my cash taken of me by two blokes who was known to the police drug dependent just waiting to take them to court ,Knowing the justice system they will get away with it . Meanwhile, the directors of companies who rip of thousands of people go free. Lifes not fair." The tories dont do "fair"  they always look after their own | |||
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"I take it people posting here know that the governments own figures put benefit fraud at 0.7% of the total budget? You'd need that figure to be many many times bigger before it matched tax fraud/evasion." With the largest fraud investigation team in the country of 3,500+ investigators for that 0.7%. HMRC has 350 fraud investigators. I won't be watching. The script has already been well played out over the last year. | |||
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"I take it people posting here know that the governments own figures put benefit fraud at 0.7% of the total budget? You'd need that figure to be many many times bigger before it matched tax fraud/evasion." i would also like to see just how many mp's are fraudulently claiming money off the state they are not entitled to. as with all mps its do as i say not do as i do.they are all scum the lot of them is it any wonder politicians are loathed by everyone | |||
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples" Are you really such an easily manipulated idiot as your statement above indicates? Funny how the happiest people in the world are those who live in the places with the least separation between rich and poor. And that as inequality becomes greater unhappiness increases and those on the border of becoming part of the underclass are the most fanatical supporters of the status quo that is pushing them into penury! | |||
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples Are you really such an easily manipulated idiot as your statement above indicates? Funny how the happiest people in the world are those who live in the places with the least separation between rich and poor. And that as inequality becomes greater unhappiness increases and those on the border of becoming part of the underclass are the most fanatical supporters of the status quo that is pushing them into penury!" You expect the people who hold the _iews you describe to understand that  | |||
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"I work for myself and was getting some cash out of the cash machine Xmas week gone and i was hit over the head and had my cash taken of me by two blokes who was known to the police drug dependent just waiting to take them to court ,Knowing the justice system they will get away with it . Ah, that makes it totally ok to class everyone on benefits as alcohol and drug abusing smokers who live the life of Riley at the expense of the poor, hard working tax payer. Got ya."  | |||
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples Are you really such an easily manipulated idiot as your statement above indicates? Funny how the happiest people in the world are those who live in the places with the least separation between rich and poor. And that as inequality becomes greater unhappiness increases and those on the border of becoming part of the underclass are the most fanatical supporters of the status quo that is pushing them into penury! You expect the people who hold the _iews you describe to understand that "No... But if I keep banging out the message maybe some will check what I say and discover the truth for themselves  | |||
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"I love these threads...makes it so much easier to out the people we wouldn't meet if we were the last 3 swingers on Earth!" I cant see what a particular political _iew and _iews on the benefit situation has to do with swinging ? When i meet for "fun" My political _iews are rarely mentioned   | |||
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"I love these threads...makes it so much easier to out the people we wouldn't meet if we were the last 3 swingers on Earth! I cant see what a particular political _iew and _iews on the benefit situation has to do with swinging ? When i meet for "fun" My political _iews are rarely mentioned "I was talking more about the lack of intelligence displayed, rather than their political _iewpoint! A lot of our friends both of the swinging and non-swinging variety have political _iews that are polar opposites to mine but that doesn't preclude them from being friends. Dragging their knuckles along the floor and grunting would. Call me a snob but I like to be able to have a conversation with the people I'm fucking. | |||
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"Stealing is stealing a £1 or £10000 its real sad when people think its ok because someone else steals more." That wasn't the point, the point was that the person who steals the equivalent of £1 (in the big scheme of things) is vilified by the media and government, while those that steal £10,000's get away scott-free, for the most part. | |||
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"I work for myself and was getting some cash out of the cash machine Xmas week gone and i was hit over the head and had my cash taken of me by two blokes who was known to the police drug dependent just waiting to take them to court ,Knowing the justice system they will get away with it . " ... KARMA  | |||
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"Stealing is stealing a £1 or £10000 its real sad when people think its ok because someone else steals more." | |||
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"I take it people posting here know that the governments own figures put benefit fraud at 0.7% of the total budget? You'd need that figure to be many many times bigger before it matched tax fraud/evasion." This is worth re-posting!! | |||
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"Stealing is stealing a £1 or £10000 its real sad when people think its ok because someone else steals more. That wasn't the point, the point was that the person who steals the equivalent of £1 (in the big scheme of things) is vilified by the media and government, while those that steal £10,000's get away scott-free, for the most part." No they dont if you get caught the law deals with its pure bullshit saying the ones who steel a big chunk get away with it. The other foot is a guy who steals week after week month after month worse than a guy who steals a big sum once? | |||
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"I'm all for the benefit system if used correctly, any of us can get laid off and need a little time to find a new job, in that time we still have bills to pay, its people who using it as a life style choice that annoy me, those who have no intention of coming off benefits but still happy to do work on the side to avoid having to pay rent and council tax like everyone else, or those who have loads of kids and never have any intention to work to support them The benefit system is a good idea if people don't abuse it, which sadly many do"
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples" good idea, as someone who was out of work for two years i know what i would have been doing if i hadnt had access to benefits...going to Leeds and Twatting some Twat over the barnet n nicking everything he owns | |||
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"Stealing is stealing a £1 or £10000 its real sad when people think its ok because someone else steals more. That wasn't the point, the point was that the person who steals the equivalent of £1 (in the big scheme of things) is vilified by the media and government, while those that steal £10,000's get away scott-free, for the most part. No they dont if you get caught the law deals with its pure bullshit saying the ones who steel a big chunk get away with it. The other foot is a guy who steals week after week month after month worse than a guy who steals a big sum once?" I'd look at the statistics if I were you... | |||
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples good idea, as someone who was out of work for two years i know what i would have been doing if i hadnt had access to benefits...going to Leeds and Twatting some Twat over the barnet n nicking everything he owns "PMSL! | |||
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"Tax dodging is usually legal though. Offshore Companies and loop holes in our corporate laws are enough to put them in the clear. We on the other hand will always be in the shit." But atleast they pay something in. You think the massive rate of tax they are expected to pay is crazy while a lot of people claiming long term unemployment have prob never paid anything in just take take take. I grew up on a rough council estate and let me tell u the amount of low life benefit scum there was unreal. Smoking tailor made ciggys and always enough money for booze!! I got out worked hard and now live in the country.all my own work and no handouts! I also go to my local weatherspoons for breakfast before work at about 7.30 some mornings and it shocks me to see about 8 or 10 jobless layabouts drinking in there at that time in the morning!! Yep our hard earnt taxes well spent indeed!!! | |||
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"Tax dodging is usually legal though. Offshore Companies and loop holes in our corporate laws are enough to put them in the clear. We on the other hand will always be in the shit. But atleast they pay something in. You think the massive rate of tax they are expected to pay is crazy while a lot of people claiming long term unemployment have prob never paid anything in just take take take. I grew up on a rough council estate and let me tell u the amount of low life benefit scum there was unreal. Smoking tailor made ciggys and always enough money for booze!! I got out worked hard and now live in the country.all my own work and no handouts! I also go to my local weatherspoons for breakfast before work at about 7.30 some mornings and it shocks me to see about 8 or 10 jobless layabouts drinking in there at that time in the morning!! Yep our hard earnt taxes well spent indeed!!!" Massive rate of tax they are expected to pay? If you've got your own company and are paying more than 20% in tax, you're not doing it right! | |||
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples good idea, as someone who was out of work for two years i know what i would have been doing if i hadnt had access to benefits...going to Leeds and Twatting some Twat over the barnet n nicking everything he owns "I'm not in Leeds  | |||
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"Awfully sorry I didn't return to work 3 weeks after giving birth when my partner and father of the child fucked off with some old tart! How bad am I that I had to take "government handouts". Brought my son up till he was 3 then decided to go back to work as I just couldn't make ends meet. Try standing in a shop trying to decide whether to buy food, or pay bills. That is the reality of how the benefit system is for the majority. Those that manipulate and extort it are a very small minority "No they're not, there's been TV programmes; the majority of benefits claimants are work shy twats with big fucking televisions, alcohol and drug related problems, 15 kids and a 40 a day smoking habit! Don't you read the fucking news? | |||
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"Tax dodging is usually legal though. Offshore Companies and loop holes in our corporate laws are enough to put them in the clear. We on the other hand will always be in the shit. But atleast they pay something in. You think the massive rate of tax they are expected to pay is crazy while a lot of people claiming long term unemployment have prob never paid anything in just take take take. I grew up on a rough council estate and let me tell u the amount of low life benefit scum there was unreal. Smoking tailor made ciggys and always enough money for booze!! I got out worked hard and now live in the country.all my own work and no handouts! I also go to my local weatherspoons for breakfast before work at about 7.30 some mornings and it shocks me to see about 8 or 10 jobless layabouts drinking in there at that time in the morning!! Yep our hard earnt taxes well spent indeed!!! Massive rate of tax they are expected to pay? If you've got your own company and are paying more than 20% in tax, you're not doing it right! " Yes if ya work hard and do alright for yourself why should u pay higher tax to support these people.should be same rate regardless what u earn as its u that has worked for it.the more u earn the more they get anyway My last tax bill was well over 10k!!!all that hard work to support a worthless layabout!! | |||
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"Awfully sorry I didn't return to work 3 weeks after giving birth when my partner and father of the child fucked off with some old tart! How bad am I that I had to take "government handouts". Brought my son up till he was 3 then decided to go back to work as I just couldn't make ends meet. Try standing in a shop trying to decide whether to buy food, or pay bills. That is the reality of how the benefit system is for the majority. Those that manipulate and extort it are a very small minority "I don't think they are in the minority to be honest, where I live there is a very high percentage of unemployed who haven't worked most of there life but sell cheap fags, booze and other knock off stuff to make extra money, round here people who exploit the benefit system is the norm, that does not mean I think everyone on benefits exploit it but I think its a high percentage who does | |||
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples good idea, as someone who was out of work for two years i know what i would have been doing if i hadnt had access to benefits...going to Leeds and Twatting some Twat over the barnet n nicking everything he owns
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"Awfully sorry I didn't return to work 3 weeks after giving birth when my partner and father of the child fucked off with some old tart! How bad am I that I had to take "government handouts". Brought my son up till he was 3 then decided to go back to work as I just couldn't make ends meet. Try standing in a shop trying to decide whether to buy food, or pay bills. That is the reality of how the benefit system is for the majority. Those that manipulate and extort it are a very small minority
I don't think they are in the minority to be honest, where I live there is a very high percentage of unemployed who haven't worked most of there life but sell cheap fags, booze and other knock off stuff to make extra money, round here people who exploit the benefit system is the norm, that does not mean I think everyone on benefits exploit it but I think its a high percentage who does " | |||
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"Awfully sorry I didn't return to work 3 weeks after giving birth when my partner and father of the child fucked off with some old tart! How bad am I that I had to take "government handouts". Brought my son up till he was 3 then decided to go back to work as I just couldn't make ends meet. Try standing in a shop trying to decide whether to buy food, or pay bills. That is the reality of how the benefit system is for the majority. Those that manipulate and extort it are a very small minority
No they're not, there's been TV programmes; the majority of benefits claimants are work shy twats with big fucking televisions, alcohol and drug related problems, 15 kids and a 40 a day smoking habit! Don't you read the fucking news?"the problem is its these type of people who sterio type everyone else, because these type of people are the only ones who go on TV they speak for all unemployed, people who are not like this and are genuinely inbetween jobs are not the type to parade themselves on TV so they don't have their say and everyone assums the type who do go on TV stands for all unemployed | |||
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"But atleast they pay something in. You think the massive rate of tax they are expected to pay is crazy while a lot of people claiming long term unemployment have prob never paid anything in just take take take. I grew up on a rough council estate and let me tell u the amount of low life benefit scum there was unreal. Smoking tailor made ciggys and always enough money for booze!! I got out worked hard and now live in the country.all my own work and no handouts! I also go to my local weatherspoons for breakfast before work at about 7.30 some mornings and it shocks me to see about 8 or 10 jobless layabouts drinking in there at that time in the morning!! Yep our hard earnt taxes well spent indeed!!!" Again another total fiction! You mention fags and booze both have excise duty on them, that is tax! And have you heard of VAT? that is the 20% purchase tax on just about everything and where fags and booze are concerned is added to the tax already paid. As a result you can safely say that those on benefits probably pay the highest proportion of their income in tax of any economic group in the country! Maybe if you spent a little less time complaining about those less fortunate and worse off than you and a little more more time getting angry at those whose real avarice is reducing your wealth you would be a happier person and we would have a more equitable society and government! | |||
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples good idea, as someone who was out of work for two years i know what i would have been doing if i hadnt had access to benefits...going to Leeds and Twatting some Twat over the barnet n nicking everything he owns
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples good idea, as someone who was out of work for two years i know what i would have been doing if i hadnt had access to benefits...going to Leeds and Twatting some Twat over the barnet n nicking everything he owns
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples good idea, as someone who was out of work for two years i know what i would have been doing if i hadnt had access to benefits...going to Leeds and Twatting some Twat over the barnet n nicking everything he owns
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Nah Leeds is ok for me it's orange umpa-lumpa's of Essex that put me off "I'l have you know my orange Lumpa costs me a Fortune, soon as i get me Giro i go straight round to the sun bed shop for a four hour session then over the park with a Flaggon of single Malt | |||
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"Awfully sorry I didn't return to work 3 weeks after giving birth when my partner and father of the child fucked off with some old tart! How bad am I that I had to take "government handouts". Brought my son up till he was 3 then decided to go back to work as I just couldn't make ends meet. Try standing in a shop trying to decide whether to buy food, or pay bills. That is the reality of how the benefit system is for the majority. Those that manipulate and extort it are a very small minority " | |||
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"I love these threads...makes it so much easier to out the people we wouldn't meet if we were the last 3 swingers on Earth! I cant see what a particular political _iew and _iews on the benefit situation has to do with swinging ? When i meet for "fun" My political _iews are rarely mentioned
I was talking more about the lack of intelligence displayed, rather than their political _iewpoint! A lot of our friends both of the swinging and non-swinging variety have political _iews that are polar opposites to mine but that doesn't preclude them from being friends. Dragging their knuckles along the floor and grunting would. Call me a snob but I like to be able to have a conversation with the people I'm fucking."Me too. I've had sex with Tories and have some as friends. There is no discussion if everyone thinks the same and there is no progress if everything remains the same. They do have to be able to have the debate without it turning into the name calling, stuck record rants though. | |||
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"I love these threads...makes it so much easier to out the people we wouldn't meet if we were the last 3 swingers on Earth! I cant see what a particular political _iew and _iews on the benefit situation has to do with swinging ? When i meet for "fun" My political _iews are rarely mentioned
I was talking more about the lack of intelligence displayed, rather than their political _iewpoint! A lot of our friends both of the swinging and non-swinging variety have political _iews that are polar opposites to mine but that doesn't preclude them from being friends. Dragging their knuckles along the floor and grunting would. Call me a snob but I like to be able to have a conversation with the people I'm fucking.
Me too. I've had sex with Tories and have some as friends. There is no discussion if everyone thinks the same and there is no progress if everything remains the same. They do have to be able to have the debate without it turning into the name calling, stuck record rants though.
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples good idea, as someone who was out of work for two years i know what i would have been doing if i hadnt had access to benefits...going to Leeds and Twatting some Twat over the barnet n nicking everything he owns
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I'l have you know my orange Lumpa costs me a Fortune, soon as i get me Giro i go straight round to the sun bed shop for a four hour session then over the park with a Flaggon of single Malt "I'd join you but im just jealous your tans better than mine | |||
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"Tax dodging is usually legal though. Offshore Companies and loop holes in our corporate laws are enough to put them in the clear. We on the other hand will always be in the shit. But atleast they pay something in. You think the massive rate of tax they are expected to pay is crazy while a lot of people claiming long term unemployment have prob never paid anything in just take take take. I grew up on a rough council estate and let me tell u the amount of low life benefit scum there was unreal. Smoking tailor made ciggys and always enough money for booze!! I got out worked hard and now live in the country.all my own work and no handouts! I also go to my local weatherspoons for breakfast before work at about 7.30 some mornings and it shocks me to see about 8 or 10 jobless layabouts drinking in there at that time in the morning!! Yep our hard earnt taxes well spent indeed!!! Massive rate of tax they are expected to pay? If you've got your own company and are paying more than 20% in tax, you're not doing it right! Yes if ya work hard and do alright for yourself why should u pay higher tax to support these people.should be same rate regardless what u earn as its u that has worked for it.the more u earn the more they get anyway My last tax bill was well over 10k!!!all that hard work to support a worthless layabout!!" Nice to know you've got your own layabout! Is it like one of these sponsor a snow leopard schemes you see on TV? Do you get a letter off him twice a year letting you know how he's getting on? £10k should actually get you 3 layabouts for a whole year though, so I'd check that out, if I were you. You'd get 2 at the same time for 6 months and 1 on his own for the remaining 6 months, though I'm sure the DWP would spread it out over 18 months if you asked nicely, so you were never short of a layabout. | |||
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"But atleast they pay something in. You think the massive rate of tax they are expected to pay is crazy while a lot of people claiming long term unemployment have prob never paid anything in just take take take. I grew up on a rough council estate and let me tell u the amount of low life benefit scum there was unreal. Smoking tailor made ciggys and always enough money for booze!! I got out worked hard and now live in the country.all my own work and no handouts! I also go to my local weatherspoons for breakfast before work at about 7.30 some mornings and it shocks me to see about 8 or 10 jobless layabouts drinking in there at that time in the morning!! Yep our hard earnt taxes well spent indeed!!! Again another total fiction! You mention fags and booze both have excise duty on them, that is tax! And have you heard of VAT? that is the 20% purchase tax on just about everything and where fags and booze are concerned is added to the tax already paid. As a result you can safely say that those on benefits probably pay the highest proportion of their income in tax of any economic group in the country! Maybe if you spent a little less time complaining about those less fortunate and worse off than you and a little more more time getting angry at those whose real avarice is reducing your wealth you would be a happier person and we would have a more equitable society and government!" R u for real . They pay the most tax!! As a buisness I have to pay income tax on my earnings.not handouts! Vat on everything as well, national insurance and buisness tax on my industrial unit.i can't afford to be sat in a pub everyday drinking so why should these utter scumbags.get a grip ya comment is just ludicrous | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching." The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy. | |||
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"I've been laid off several times in my working life but not once have I ever claimed any benefits! My personal pride and work ethic won't allow it! I regard myself as a professional but have taken on any available work just to keep some money coming in. There's some who live near me who haven't worked for years, shame they haven't got the same attitude !!" Sometimes you don't have a choice.... Mr B lost his job a while back and was out of work for a few months. We just couldn't survive on my part time income alone with a mortgage and other bills to pay and a child to support. He claimed job seekers allowance (which was all we were entitled to) for a few months. Did he want to? No! We still ended up in debt that we are still paying off now. Without the help of my family we would have lost everything we have worked so hard for. | |||
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"But atleast they pay something in. You think the massive rate of tax they are expected to pay is crazy while a lot of people claiming long term unemployment have prob never paid anything in just take take take. I grew up on a rough council estate and let me tell u the amount of low life benefit scum there was unreal. Smoking tailor made ciggys and always enough money for booze!! I got out worked hard and now live in the country.all my own work and no handouts! I also go to my local weatherspoons for breakfast before work at about 7.30 some mornings and it shocks me to see about 8 or 10 jobless layabouts drinking in there at that time in the morning!! Yep our hard earnt taxes well spent indeed!!! Again another total fiction! You mention fags and booze both have excise duty on them, that is tax! And have you heard of VAT? that is the 20% purchase tax on just about everything and where fags and booze are concerned is added to the tax already paid. As a result you can safely say that those on benefits probably pay the highest proportion of their income in tax of any economic group in the country! Maybe if you spent a little less time complaining about those less fortunate and worse off than you and a little more more time getting angry at those whose real avarice is reducing your wealth you would be a happier person and we would have a more equitable society and government! R u for real . They pay the most tax!! As a buisness I have to pay income tax on my earnings.not handouts! Vat on everything as well, national insurance and buisness tax on my industrial unit.i can't afford to be sat in a pub everyday drinking so why should these utter scumbags.get a grip ya comment is just ludicrous" You pay income tax on your earnings or you pay yourself the minimum amount possible to qualify for NI payments, then pay the rest of your earning in dividends (once all your taxable expenses have been taken into consideration)? As for VAT, that's a misnomer as anything you pay VAT on, I'm guessing someone else is charged VAT on? He didn't say they paid the most tax, he said the PERCENTAGE of tax they pay as a group was higher. | |||
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"I've been laid off several times in my working life but not once have I ever claimed any benefits! My personal pride and work ethic won't allow it! I regard myself as a professional but have taken on any available work just to keep some money coming in. There's some who live near me who haven't worked for years, shame they haven't got the same attitude !! Sometimes you don't have a choice.... Mr B lost his job a while back and was out of work for a few months. We just couldn't survive on my part time income alone with a mortgage and other bills to pay and a child to support. He claimed job seekers allowance (which was all we were entitled to) for a few months. Did he want to? No! We still ended up in debt that we are still paying off now. Without the help of my family we would have lost everything we have worked so hard for. " Under those circumstances there is nothing shameful about claiming.thats why u pay ya taxes in. Different story if it was for several years | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy." I really hope you don't ever find yourself in the position where you have had a few knocks in life and find yourself having to claim benefits and someone kicks you when your down and trying your hardest to get your life in order. Some of the hardest working people in this country are the poorest, working minimum wage sometimes 2 jobs and having to claim top up working tax credit cause the wages in this country are so poor, go tell them they are fucking lazy. | |||
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"oh dear, I really hoped it wouldn't work but it seems it is
Did we fall into the social experiment trap? Damn! I keep doing that.
"Possibly. I was really referring to government propaganda, media hype and television editing. It's really sad that people just believe what they're told and don't question it or listen to alternative versions of events. You really can see how easy it is to control people with a few well placed scare stories, they do the rest themselves. | |||
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"I'm all for the benefit system if used correctly, any of us can get laid off and need a little time to find a new job, in that time we still have bills to pay, its people who using it as a life style choice that annoy me, those who have no intention of coming off benefits but still happy to do work on the side to avoid having to pay rent and council tax like everyone else, or those who have loads of kids and never have any intention to work to support them The benefit system is a good idea if people don't abuse it, which sadly many do" This pretty much sums it up for me | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy." Are you serious? Tell that to the Rowntree Foundation; they've been trying to solve the problems of poverty in the UK for a couple of hundred years and you had the answer all along. | |||
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"I've been laid off several times in my working life but not once have I ever claimed any benefits! My personal pride and work ethic won't allow it! I regard myself as a professional but have taken on any available work just to keep some money coming in. There's some who live near me who haven't worked for years, shame they haven't got the same attitude !! Sometimes you don't have a choice.... Mr B lost his job a while back and was out of work for a few months. We just couldn't survive on my part time income alone with a mortgage and other bills to pay and a child to support. He claimed job seekers allowance (which was all we were entitled to) for a few months. Did he want to? No! We still ended up in debt that we are still paying off now. Without the help of my family we would have lost everything we have worked so hard for. " it can happen to anyone, I had to pack up my job when I split from my ex as I worked nights and couldn't leave the kids in the house alone at night and no child minders work the hours I did, they treat me like a leaper and because I had left work by my own choice told me I wasn't intitled to anything for the first 12 weeks even though I had worked all my life and left work through no choice of my own, I told them to find me a child minder who worked through the night and id go back to work but she looked at me as if to say...are you trying to be clever, lucky I found a job within 6 weeks of leaving mine so wasn't to bad | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy."
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy." that would make me lazy then even though I spent 10 years of my life caring for my disabled sister 24 hours while bringing up a family. I don't drink or smoke. My luxuries are few and far between believe me. I'd rather be poor than a bigot | |||
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"You mention fags and booze both have excise duty on them, that is tax! And have you heard of VAT? that is the 20% purchase tax on just about everything and where fags and booze are concerned is added to the tax already paid. As a result you can safely say that those on benefits probably pay the highest proportion of their income in tax of any economic group in the country! " Didn't realise the benefit systemis to keep them in beer and fags. Benefits should not be paid in cash. | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy.
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"But atleast they pay something in. You think the massive rate of tax they are expected to pay is crazy while a lot of people claiming long term unemployment have prob never paid anything in just take take take. I grew up on a rough council estate and let me tell u the amount of low life benefit scum there was unreal. Smoking tailor made ciggys and always enough money for booze!! I got out worked hard and now live in the country.all my own work and no handouts! I also go to my local weatherspoons for breakfast before work at about 7.30 some mornings and it shocks me to see about 8 or 10 jobless layabouts drinking in there at that time in the morning!! Yep our hard earnt taxes well spent indeed!!! Again another total fiction! You mention fags and booze both have excise duty on them, that is tax! And have you heard of VAT? that is the 20% purchase tax on just about everything and where fags and booze are concerned is added to the tax already paid. As a result you can safely say that those on benefits probably pay the highest proportion of their income in tax of any economic group in the country! Maybe if you spent a little less time complaining about those less fortunate and worse off than you and a little more more time getting angry at those whose real avarice is reducing your wealth you would be a happier person and we would have a more equitable society and government! R u for real . They pay the most tax!! As a buisness I have to pay income tax on my earnings.not handouts! Vat on everything as well, national insurance and buisness tax on my industrial unit.i can't afford to be sat in a pub everyday drinking so why should these utter scumbags.get a grip ya comment is just ludicrous You pay income tax on your earnings or you pay yourself the minimum amount possible to qualify for NI payments, then pay the rest of your earning in dividends (once all your taxable expenses have been taken into consideration)? As for VAT, that's a misnomer as anything you pay VAT on, I'm guessing someone else is charged VAT on? He didn't say they paid the most tax, he said the PERCENTAGE of tax they pay as a group was higher. Dont u have to be a ltd company to do that. Something I have considered. No way as a collective group they paying more.if they were then cut their allowance as the obviously have too much money " If you're not a Ltd Company and you're paying £10k a year in tax, you need a better accountant. Anyway after that advice, I'll ignore your rantings from now on as you're obviously not the sharpest tool in the box, though possibly one of the most offensive. | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy." see again that does apply to some but no all, no matter what subject you talk about you cant tar everyone the same | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy." I'm sure that's why my mother took in making button holes as well as her job to ensure we could eat and pay rent. She was just so lazy keeping us poor all the bloody time. | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy. Are you serious? Tell that to the Rowntree Foundation; they've been trying to solve the problems of poverty in the UK for a couple of hundred years and you had the answer all along." Yep im seroius. Lazy layabouts. I have never been out of work for more than a week in 26 years! Im not lucky. I just phoned everycompany in yellow pages and walked from door to door on industrial estates asking for a job till I got one. I was recently at the job centre with my ex as she was looking for work. While there people were signing on.do u know how little they do for their money each week. They have to apply for a small amount of jobs and write it in their little book that they hand over for inspection. There is no way someone can be out of work and not able to get a job for several years unless they are lazy twats! | |||
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" R u for real . They pay the most tax!! As a buisness I have to pay income tax on my earnings.not handouts! Vat on everything as well, national insurance and buisness tax on my industrial unit.i can't afford to be sat in a pub everyday drinking so why should these utter scumbags.get a grip ya comment is just ludicrous You pay income tax on your earnings or you pay yourself the minimum amount possible to qualify for NI payments, then pay the rest of your earning in dividends (once all your taxable expenses have been taken into consideration)? As for VAT, that's a misnomer as anything you pay VAT on, I'm guessing someone else is charged VAT on? He didn't say they paid the most tax, he said the PERCENTAGE of tax they pay as a group was higher. Dont u have to be a ltd company to do that. Something I have considered. No way as a collective group they paying more.if they were then cut their allowance as the obviously have too much money " Not as a group percentage!! It's the percentage of the income (benefits in your book) they receive that is a higher percentage paid in incidental taxes like VAT and excise duty. The information is all out there on the www.
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy. Are you serious? Tell that to the Rowntree Foundation; they've been trying to solve the problems of poverty in the UK for a couple of hundred years and you had the answer all along. Yep im seroius. Lazy layabouts. I have never been out of work for more than a week in 26 years! Im not lucky. I just phoned everycompany in yellow pages and walked from door to door on industrial estates asking for a job till I got one. I was recently at the job centre with my ex as she was looking for work. While there people were signing on.do u know how little they do for their money each week. They have to apply for a small amount of jobs and write it in their little book that they hand over for inspection. There is no way someone can be out of work and not able to get a job for several years unless they are lazy twats! " Thank you for your in depth and highly knowledgeable profile of me, may i use that on my next CV ? | |||
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples There's nothing like a well thought out and balanced _iew. And this comment is nothing like a well thought out and balanced _iew. More provocative bollocks. I really can't be bothered. " Completely agree. Though twatish threads like these make who you block so much easier! | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy. Are you serious? Tell that to the Rowntree Foundation; they've been trying to solve the problems of poverty in the UK for a couple of hundred years and you had the answer all along. Yep im seroius. Lazy layabouts. I have never been out of work for more than a week in 26 years! Im not lucky. I just phoned everycompany in yellow pages and walked from door to door on industrial estates asking for a job till I got one. I was recently at the job centre with my ex as she was looking for work. While there people were signing on.do u know how little they do for their money each week. They have to apply for a small amount of jobs and write it in their little book that they hand over for inspection. There is no way someone can be out of work and not able to get a job for several years unless they are lazy twats! " I do think a lot of people could do more to find work than they do I have only been out of work for 6 weeks in my adult life, as I said in above post I left my job when I split from my ex as I worked nights and didn't have anyone to look after my kids, I found a job within 6 weeks, some people are out of work for years and claim their is nothing, why does it take some years to find as job and others a few weeks? is it down to how hard you are looking? or what your willing to take, some people want qualified pay for unqualified work, ive heard a few people say they wouldn't work for NMW and would sooner be on the dole, those types are just lazy, sorry but they are, if they really wanted to work they would take whats on offer or go get the qualification needed to get the job they want there are lots of people out there looking for a job but lets be honest some aren't, some are happy to sit back on benefits | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy. Are you serious? Tell that to the Rowntree Foundation; they've been trying to solve the problems of poverty in the UK for a couple of hundred years and you had the answer all along. Yep im seroius. Lazy layabouts. I have never been out of work for more than a week in 26 years! Im not lucky. I just phoned everycompany in yellow pages and walked from door to door on industrial estates asking for a job till I got one. I was recently at the job centre with my ex as she was looking for work. While there people were signing on.do u know how little they do for their money each week. They have to apply for a small amount of jobs and write it in their little book that they hand over for inspection. There is no way someone can be out of work and not able to get a job for several years unless they are lazy twats! I do think a lot of people could do more to find work than they do I have only been out of work for 6 weeks in my adult life, as I said in above post I left my job when I split from my ex as I worked nights and didn't have anyone to look after my kids, I found a job within 6 weeks, some people are out of work for years and claim their is nothing, why does it take some years to find as job and others a few weeks? is it down to how hard you are looking? or what your willing to take, some people want qualified pay for unqualified work, ive heard a few people say they wouldn't work for NMW and would sooner be on the dole, those types are just lazy, sorry but they are, if they really wanted to work they would take whats on offer or go get the qualification needed to get the job they want there are lots of people out there looking for a job but lets be honest some aren't, some are happy to sit back on benefits " well I wish u luck in finding a job. Im sure something will turn up soon as u sound like the sort of person that wants to work and has self respect. Good luck to u | |||
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"R u for real . They pay the most tax!! As a buisness I have to pay income tax on my earnings.not handouts! Vat on everything as well, national insurance and buisness tax on my industrial unit.i can't afford to be sat in a pub everyday drinking so why should these utter scumbags.get a grip ya comment is just ludicrous" Really... Well lets just go through what you have said bit by bit... Firstly, unless everything has changed since I ran my own company business rates, rent (or any other similar expense), company vehicles (including all their running costs) and all other legitimate expenses including a smart tax accountant to reduce your tax bill (plus a lot of illegitimate ones) are set off on the annual balance sheet BEFORE paying corporation tax. Secondly a business does not pay VAT, it hands over to HMRC the VAT it charges its customers AFTER it has deducted the VAT its suppliers have charged it! Thirdly, if you operate as private limited company you get to set your own pay, and by paying yourself a minimum wage you can effectively take yourself out of the income tax system. You can then draw directors emoluments 2 times a year that are classed as capital gains and thus entitle you to another £10000 tax free and a 18% rate on anything over that... guess you must not be big enough to take advantage of big business and rich mans tax schemes.
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy. Are you serious? Tell that to the Rowntree Foundation; they've been trying to solve the problems of poverty in the UK for a couple of hundred years and you had the answer all along. Yep im seroius. Lazy layabouts. I have never been out of work for more than a week in 26 years! Im not lucky. I just phoned everycompany in yellow pages and walked from door to door on industrial estates asking for a job till I got one. I was recently at the job centre with my ex as she was looking for work. While there people were signing on.do u know how little they do for their money each week. They have to apply for a small amount of jobs and write it in their little book that they hand over for inspection. There is no way someone can be out of work and not able to get a job for several years unless they are lazy twats! I do think a lot of people could do more to find work than they do I have only been out of work for 6 weeks in my adult life, as I said in above post I left my job when I split from my ex as I worked nights and didn't have anyone to look after my kids, I found a job within 6 weeks, some people are out of work for years and claim their is nothing, why does it take some years to find as job and others a few weeks? is it down to how hard you are looking? or what your willing to take, some people want qualified pay for unqualified work, ive heard a few people say they wouldn't work for NMW and would sooner be on the dole, those types are just lazy, sorry but they are, if they really wanted to work they would take whats on offer or go get the qualification needed to get the job they want there are lots of people out there looking for a job but lets be honest some aren't, some are happy to sit back on benefits well I wish u luck in finding a job. Im sure something will turn up soon as u sound like the sort of person that wants to work and has self respect. Good luck to u" I have a job, I split with my ex 5 years ago and as I said I found a new job 6 weeks after having to leave my old one and have been there since but thanks anyway lol | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy. Are you serious? Tell that to the Rowntree Foundation; they've been trying to solve the problems of poverty in the UK for a couple of hundred years and you had the answer all along. Yep im seroius. Lazy layabouts. I have never been out of work for more than a week in 26 years! Im not lucky. I just phoned everycompany in yellow pages and walked from door to door on industrial estates asking for a job till I got one. I was recently at the job centre with my ex as she was looking for work. While there people were signing on.do u know how little they do for their money each week. They have to apply for a small amount of jobs and write it in their little book that they hand over for inspection. There is no way someone can be out of work and not able to get a job for several years unless they are lazy twats! I do think a lot of people could do more to find work than they do I have only been out of work for 6 weeks in my adult life, as I said in above post I left my job when I split from my ex as I worked nights and didn't have anyone to look after my kids, I found a job within 6 weeks, some people are out of work for years and claim their is nothing, why does it take some years to find as job and others a few weeks? is it down to how hard you are looking? or what your willing to take, some people want qualified pay for unqualified work, ive heard a few people say they wouldn't work for NMW and would sooner be on the dole, those types are just lazy, sorry but they are, if they really wanted to work they would take whats on offer or go get the qualification needed to get the job they want there are lots of people out there looking for a job but lets be honest some aren't, some are happy to sit back on benefits well I wish u luck in finding a job. Im sure something will turn up soon as u sound like the sort of person that wants to work and has self respect. Good luck to u I have a job, I split with my ex 5 years ago and as I said I found a new job 6 weeks after having to leave my old one and have been there since but thanks anyway lol" Sorry just re read ya post. Im multi tasking drawing up quotes for customers while typing on here. Im a man and we all know men are crap at multitasking lok | |||
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"R u for real . They pay the most tax!! As a buisness I have to pay income tax on my earnings.not handouts! Vat on everything as well, national insurance and buisness tax on my industrial unit.i can't afford to be sat in a pub everyday drinking so why should these utter scumbags.get a grip ya comment is just ludicrous Really... Well lets just go through what you have said bit by bit... Firstly, unless everything has changed since I ran my own company business rates, rent (or any other similar expense), company vehicles (including all their running costs) and all other legitimate expenses including a smart tax accountant to reduce your tax bill (plus a lot of illegitimate ones) are set off on the annual balance sheet BEFORE paying corporation tax. Secondly a business does not pay VAT, it hands over to HMRC the VAT it charges its customers AFTER it has deducted the VAT its suppliers have charged it! Thirdly, if you operate as private limited company you get to set your own pay, and by paying yourself a minimum wage you can effectively take yourself out of the income tax system. You can then draw directors emoluments 2 times a year that are classed as capital gains and thus entitle you to another £10000 tax free and a 18% rate on anything over that... guess you must not be big enough to take advantage of big business and rich mans tax schemes.
As I said: Maybe if you spent a little less time complaining about those less fortunate and worse off than you and a little more more time getting angry at those whose real avarice is reducing your wealth you would be a happier person and we would have a more equitable society and government! And be better off yourself."I think ltd is the way to go by the sounds of it.based on my profit last year the tax is about right | |||
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"R u for real . They pay the most tax!! As a buisness I have to pay income tax on my earnings.not handouts! Vat on everything as well, national insurance and buisness tax on my industrial unit.i can't afford to be sat in a pub everyday drinking so why should these utter scumbags.get a grip ya comment is just ludicrous Really... Well lets just go through what you have said bit by bit... Firstly, unless everything has changed since I ran my own company business rates, rent (or any other similar expense), company vehicles (including all their running costs) and all other legitimate expenses including a smart tax accountant to reduce your tax bill (plus a lot of illegitimate ones) are set off on the annual balance sheet BEFORE paying corporation tax. Secondly a business does not pay VAT, it hands over to HMRC the VAT it charges its customers AFTER it has deducted the VAT its suppliers have charged it! Thirdly, if you operate as private limited company you get to set your own pay, and by paying yourself a minimum wage you can effectively take yourself out of the income tax system. You can then draw directors emoluments 2 times a year that are classed as capital gains and thus entitle you to another £10000 tax free and a 18% rate on anything over that... guess you must not be big enough to take advantage of big business and rich mans tax schemes.
As I said: Maybe if you spent a little less time complaining about those less fortunate and worse off than you and a little more more time getting angry at those whose real avarice is reducing your wealth you would be a happier person and we would have a more equitable society and government! And be better off yourself.
I think ltd is the way to go by the sounds of it.based on my profit last year the tax is about right"I also dont mind paying my taxes if they are used for good things. We will never change the goverments taxations but we can do something about the long term unimployed that refuse to work | |||
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"I take it people posting here know that the governments own figures put benefit fraud at 0.7% of the total budget? You'd need that figure to be many many times bigger before it matched tax fraud/evasion. This is worth re-posting!! "It's worth re-posting many times as some people still miss the point as well as how many column inches are focused on vilifying that 0.7% as if it were a pandemic... Whenever I log on, there's always a thread about it too... All this effort, just to complain about 0.7%.... *sighs | |||
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"I take it people posting here know that the governments own figures put benefit fraud at 0.7% of the total budget? You'd need that figure to be many many times bigger before it matched tax fraud/evasion. This is worth re-posting!!
It's worth re-posting many times as some people still miss the point as well as how many column inches are focused on vilifying that 0.7% as if it were a pandemic...
Whenever I log on, there's always a thread about it too...
All this effort, just to complains about 0.7%.... *sighs"Yes but it keeps the fear at bay if you think it's all "their" fault. | |||
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"Pops in to check out the level of ignorance regarding people less fortunate, sees that it is now registering on the Richter scale and pops back out, to materialise in another thread "Im not talking about the less fortunate im talking about the lazy people that refuse to work and feel they are hard done by for not receiving loads of money.i have a couple of friends that dont work. They have said to me im better off on the dole! I tell them they are lazy fuckers and their reply is yeah I know cool isnt it!! Too many people out there like that .They are a drain on the economy. | |||
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"I take it people posting here know that the governments own figures put benefit fraud at 0.7% of the total budget? You'd need that figure to be many many times bigger before it matched tax fraud/evasion. This is worth re-posting!!
It's worth re-posting many times as some people still miss the point as well as how many column inches are focused on vilifying that 0.7% as if it were a pandemic...
Whenever I log on, there's always a thread about it too...
All this effort, just to complain about 0.7%.... *sighs". aye and the smart cunts that are putting some ppl in the lazy twats bracket that have joined in with the persecution of some folk that dont deserve it.and came across like they are better than others will one day have hard times or a broken nose if they say their opinions face to face wi the wrong or in my _iew the right wee man | |||
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"FACT: most of the people on benefits are good people who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own FACT: many many (dare I say most?) people are on benefits of one form or another. Working tax credits, child benefit, winter heating allowance etc etc etc FACT: The media rub their hands with glee when they find people or whole families that are on benefits and fit a certain 'look'. It's great for business, it sells newspapers, it keeps Jeremy Kyle in a job. They then roundly abuse these people by putting them up for public ridicule on prime time television. FACT: Mugs then watch those programmes and accept it as fact" Beautifully put! | |||
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"I work for myself and was getting some cash out of the cash machine Xmas week gone and i was hit over the head and had my cash taken of me by two blokes who was known to the police drug dependent just waiting to take them to court ,Knowing the justice system they will get away with it . Meanwhile, the directors of companies who rip of thousands of people go free. Lifes not fair. The tories dont do "fair" they always look after their own "Just like the Labour party. The only difference is the colour of the tie. | |||
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"FACT: most of the people on benefits are good people who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own FACT: many many (dare I say most?) people are on benefits of one form or another. Working tax credits, child benefit, winter heating allowance etc etc etc FACT: The media rub their hands with glee when they find people or whole families that are on benefits and fit a certain 'look'. It's great for business, it sells newspapers, it keeps Jeremy Kyle in a job. They then roundly abuse these people by putting them up for public ridicule on prime time television. FACT: Mugs then watch those programmes and accept it as fact" this | |||
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"I work for myself and was getting some cash out of the cash machine Xmas week gone and i was hit over the head and had my cash taken of me by two blokes who was known to the police drug dependent just waiting to take them to court ,Knowing the justice system they will get away with it . " ... so all people struggling to find work are all like this???!!! sorry but have a word with yourself!! as I have an opinion of you lower than a smack head ... just stop talking... but alas its a free country and free speech shame its wasted on some people | |||
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"I also dont mind paying my taxes if they are used for good things. We will never change the goverments taxations but we can do something about the long term unimployed that refuse to work Good there is common ground! We agree about paying tax, after all you have to earn it to pay it. But do you really think the benefits system is a waste of money? Do you believe that we would be better off if we cut benefits? Or do you think it will cause an increase in low level crime like shoplifting and domestic burglary leading to higher shop prices and domestic insurance costs. And increases in the prison population (at an average cost of £35000 per prisoner a year). The fact is our benefits system is really good value and kicking the poor on benefits is just another tory scam to raid the countries wealth for their friends and contributors benefit." You make a good point. But is it honestly fair that some work hard so others Don't have too. I dont know what the answer is tbh.i think the only way i can think of is to make them work for their money and that way they will think sod this im going to get a better job that pays more | |||
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"The Big Benefits Row: Live Channel 5, 9.00pm Should be good more piss heads and smack heads on TV moaning how hard done by the are!They are just ripping scrounging of the tax payer they should just scrap the whole benefits off and work for it simples" just more tory propaganda yet still people buy into it. Benefit fraud is just a drop in the ocean compared to company tax fraud, but people on benefits don't fund the tory party . | |||
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Fact. Most means 50.001%
49.999% is a bloody big number."Most of the taxpayers in this country above thirty years old will have received child benefit at one time or another, or will have benefitted from it in payments to their parents. I think it is paid regardless of income (I may be wrong and stand to be corrected) | |||
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"I take it people posting here know that the governments own figures put benefit fraud at 0.7% of the total budget? You'd need that figure to be many many times bigger before it matched tax fraud/evasion. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Mark Twain." That quote wasn't Mark Twain's, while we're on a pedantic side thread to the main attraction. He wrongly attributed it do Disraeli but it's exact origins have been debated for many years without coming to a definitive conclusion. I could point you at a website with some possible answers (University of York, not Wikipedia) but it's not allowed. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet - Abraham Lincoln | |||
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"I think some people just find it hard to differentiate between the two types of people who don't work, those who genuinely do not want to and who are happy tp stay on benefits for as long as they can and those who really have just hit a bad time in their life and for whatever reason found themselves out of work but are looking for something else Some seem to think everyone out of work are lazy lay about's and some seem to think everyone out of work cant help that, when in reality there are and always will be both types I don't think anyone with half a heart can begrudge someone a few months benefit if they have lost their job and looking for something else, its those who just simply don't want a job that gets up most peoples noses, and I think when people say they hate lazy lay abouts this is the type they mean not everyone across the board that does not work "
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy. Are you serious? Tell that to the Rowntree Foundation; they've been trying to solve the problems of poverty in the UK for a couple of hundred years and you had the answer all along. Yep im seroius. Lazy layabouts. I have never been out of work for more than a week in 26 years! Im not lucky. I just phoned everycompany in yellow pages and walked from door to door on industrial estates asking for a job till I got one. I was recently at the job centre with my ex as she was looking for work. While there people were signing on.do u know how little they do for their money each week. They have to apply for a small amount of jobs and write it in their little book that they hand over for inspection. There is no way someone can be out of work and not able to get a job for several years unless they are lazy twats! " I don't do that. I have an online Universal Jobmatch account linked to agencies and the jobcentre. 75% of jobs advertised with the jobcentre are from agencies. You can sign up to various agencies,which I have,apply for lots of jobs,which I have, to find a hundred other people have too. You get offered training which is ok if you are at entry level for any subject or industry. I opted to do my own as I was at level 3 which is not offered free. I could go on longer but my fingers are hurting | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy. Are you serious? Tell that to the Rowntree Foundation; they've been trying to solve the problems of poverty in the UK for a couple of hundred years and you had the answer all along. Yep im seroius. Lazy layabouts. I have never been out of work for more than a week in 26 years! Im not lucky. I just phoned everycompany in yellow pages and walked from door to door on industrial estates asking for a job till I got one. I was recently at the job centre with my ex as she was looking for work. While there people were signing on.do u know how little they do for their money each week. They have to apply for a small amount of jobs and write it in their little book that they hand over for inspection. There is no way someone can be out of work and not able to get a job for several years unless they are lazy twats! I don't do that. I have an online Universal Jobmatch account linked to agencies and the jobcentre. 75% of jobs advertised with the jobcentre are from agencies. You can sign up to various agencies,which I have,apply for lots of jobs,which I have, to find a hundred other people have too. You get offered training which is ok if you are at entry level for any subject or industry. I opted to do my own as I was at level 3 which is not offered free. I could go on longer but my fingers are hurting " One of my friends that I mentioned earlier got free training to do plastering. Did the course. Qualified and still wont get a job.i think free training is great if the person then goes on to look for work and gets a job.but for some people its just more tax payers money wasted on someone with no intention of working. I wish u luck in finding a job | |||
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"I think some people just find it hard to differentiate between the two types of people who don't work, those who genuinely do not want to and who are happy tp stay on benefits for as long as they can and those who really have just hit a bad time in their life and for whatever reason found themselves out of work but are looking for something else Some seem to think everyone out of work are lazy lay about's and some seem to think everyone out of work cant help that, when in reality there are and always will be both types I don't think anyone with half a heart can begrudge someone a few months benefit if they have lost their job and looking for something else, its those who just simply don't want a job that gets up most peoples noses, and I think when people say they hate lazy lay abouts this is the type they mean not everyone across the board that does not work
I have absolutely no problem with someone claiming unemployment short term because sometime it just cant be helped. But for me lazy layabouts are people that just wont work. Its just not fair on the tax payer"and on certain parts of the country there are plenty of those about, I live in a very high unemployment area a while ago our local shop got broke into and the police was going round the local houses asking if anyone saw anything, when they knocked on my door the police man said to me that I was hard to get in he had called several times over the past couple of days, I said sorry but I work 12 hour shifts so not often in. he looked at his mate said said, now that's not something you hear a lot round here is it, just shows what even the local police think of the rate of unemployment and people round here | |||
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"Yada yada yah, more tory spin to turn everyone against the poorest in society to divert attention off of them and the fat cats. Some people are so sucked in by this is crazy how people get brainwashed. Go check out the fraud statistics, go check out the benefit bill compared, drop in the ocean compared to what big business get out of paying. Were so broke yet we can suddenly magic money up out of nowhere when it suits. I dont buy into the bullshit so no I won't be watching. The poorest r usually poor because they are damn lazy. Are you serious? Tell that to the Rowntree Foundation; they've been trying to solve the problems of poverty in the UK for a couple of hundred years and you had the answer all along. Yep im seroius. Lazy layabouts. I have never been out of work for more than a week in 26 years! Im not lucky. I just phoned everycompany in yellow pages and walked from door to door on industrial estates asking for a job till I got one. I was recently at the job centre with my ex as she was looking for work. While there people were signing on.do u know how little they do for their money each week. They have to apply for a small amount of jobs and write it in their little book that they hand over for inspection. There is no way someone can be out of work and not able to get a job for several years unless they are lazy twats! I don't do that. I have an online Universal Jobmatch account linked to agencies and the jobcentre. 75% of jobs advertised with the jobcentre are from agencies. You can sign up to various agencies,which I have,apply for lots of jobs,which I have, to find a hundred other people have too. You get offered training which is ok if you are at entry level for any subject or industry. I opted to do my own as I was at level 3 which is not offered free. I could go on longer but my fingers are hurting One of my friends that I mentioned earlier got free training to do plastering. Did the course. Qualified and still wont get a job.i think free training is great if the person then goes on to look for work and gets a job.but for some people its just more tax payers money wasted on someone with no intention of working. I wish u luck in finding a job" If I could plaster or even fill shelves I would be working now. I'm not disabled but not in a physical state to do anything physical for prolonged periods. I need training or voluntary work that will give me experience as the job I am experienced in the government aren't funding any more. Thank you for your good wishes | |||
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" Most of the taxpayers in this country above thirty years old will have received child benefit at one time or another, or will have benefitted from it in payments to their parents. I think it is paid regardless of income (I may be wrong and stand to be corrected)" It was payable to anyone with appropriately aged children (so even Prince Charles would technically have been entitled to it) but is now not payable above a certain level of income, regardless of how many children you have - or, if you do have it paid and earn above the limit it is reclaimed through your tax code | |||
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"Awfully sorry I didn't return to work 3 weeks after giving birth when my partner and father of the child fucked off with some old tart! How bad am I that I had to take "government handouts". Brought my son up till he was 3 then decided to go back to work as I just couldn't make ends meet. Try standing in a shop trying to decide whether to buy food, or pay bills. That is the reality of how the benefit system is for the majority. Those that manipulate and extort it are a very small minority
No they're not, there's been TV programmes; the majority of benefits claimants are work shy twats with big fucking televisions, alcohol and drug related problems, 15 kids and a 40 a day smoking habit! Don't you read the fucking news?
the problem is its these type of people who sterio type everyone else, because these type of people are the only ones who go on TV they speak for all unemployed, people who are not like this and are genuinely inbetween jobs are not the type to parade themselves on TV so they don't have their say and everyone assums the type who do go on TV stands for all unemployed " | |||
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"You make a good point. But is it honestly fair that some work hard so others Don't have too. I dont know what the answer is tbh.i think the only way i can think of is to make them work for their money and that way they will think sod this im going to get a better job that pays more" Well I do! 
I even alluded to it at the start of this thread. The answer is simple, we implement the best parts of the Scandinavian system. Starting by reducing the wealth gap between the richest and poorest in our country. We do this by returning to a more equitable progressive income based tax system rather than a relying on a regressive spending based tax system. We reverse the attacks on education that have happened over the last 40 years and return to a system where the academically gifted have access to a top class education. And we stop greedy bastards from exporting our wealth for their private gain.
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I even alluded to it at the start of this thread. The answer is simple, we implement the best parts of the Scandinavian system. Starting by reducing the wealth gap between the richest and poorest in our country. We do this by returning to a more equitable progressive income based tax system rather than a relying on a regressive spending based tax system. We reverse the attacks on education that have happened over the last 40 years and return to a system where the academically gifted have access to a top class education. And we stop greedy bastards from exporting our wealth for their private gain.
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"FACT: most of the people on benefits are good people who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own Some not most. There are more on benefits by choice than by fate See I don't know how you know this. Also what benefit do you mean? I claimed child benefit for both my children I chose to and so do most parents so you are right in respect of that. If you mean jsa how do you know? Are there more genuine jobs than unemployed? By genuine I mean not zero hour contracts and commission only jobs or part time jobs that no one can support a family on. I'm asking the same point. Can you prove that most people on benefits are there due to "hard times"? There are members of my extended family that choose not to work. It's my contention that this extends into the broader population. No I can't and I'm not claiming that I can but you stated that you do know and your proof seems to be that members of your extended family do it. I asked you because I honestly would like to know if there are fewer unemployed people than jobs and your statement implied that you knew." My post implicates my belief just as the original post that I answered offered another _iew. I have no problems with the benefits system other than the way it is fraudulantly used by some of the claimants. Every person who works deserves help to bring their money to a liveable level. Every person genuinly unable to work deserves help. The people I have a problem with are the ones who choose not to work because they can get by on benefits. | |||
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No money but you can eat the excess .......or sell it on to a reputable soap maker...."na i will stick with minimum wage unless i can do it at night on the fly nudge nudge | |||
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"I'm all for the benefit system if used correctly, any of us can get laid off and need a little time to find a new job, in that time we still have bills to pay, its people who using it as a life style choice that annoy me, those who have no intention of coming off benefits but still happy to do work on the side to avoid having to pay rent and council tax like everyone else, or those who have loads of kids and never have any intention to work to support them The benefit system is a good idea if people don't abuse it, which sadly many do" Totally agree! Never had to use it, but great to know it's there if need be.....though must admit, would never know where to start as some really know how to milk the system | |||
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"In December of last year there were 1.143million people in the UK claiming JSA. There was 710,859 jobs advertised in the same period, these also include zero hour contracts, minimum wage part time contracts, and commission only jobs. Doesn't take a genius to work out there will always be people on benefits because there isn't enough jobs available for everyone, and those that are available aren't worth the paper they are printed on. " Many of these 'advertised' jobs don't actually exist but are placed on Jobcentre listings to recruit candidates for unscrupulous agencies. | |||
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"I have posted this a couple of times over this last month but it belongs here too. These are the government stats. Welfare Spending for 2011/12 was: 46% state pension 14% housing benefit 8% disability living allowance 5% pension credit 5% income support 4% incapacity benefit 3% attendance allowance 3% council tax benefits 3% jobseeker's allowance 2% winter fuel payments 2% employment support allowance 1% carer's allowance 1% statutory maternity pay and 3% on other discretionary payments. So, 5% of the benefits bill is paid to the unemployed, 8% if you take in housing benefit. Of that 8% of the benefits bill 0.7% is fraudulently claimed. On the plus side 3,500+ people are employed to track down and deal with that 0.7%. " Don't know how this will go down, but being one of the 3,500, I've read this thread with interest and amusement. The stat of 0.7% is rubbish. The government say that is the rate so they can fraud is low, they have changed the way fraud is measured to do this. You find that those committing benefit fraud commit all sorts of other crimes and we get them for what we cam (Al Capone like). But, i do believe in the welfare system and that is why i work to protect it so it can be used by the majority of people who, correctly claim it and need it. My rant over! | |||
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"I will admit, I don't have a lot of knowledge in this area but I have tried because my sister is now in this system, and it is biased! People know the system and abuse it whilst others who need are in a catch 22! Something needs to be done, I just don't know what! "Isn't that the nature of ANY system? There are those who will seek to exploit loopholes, legal or otherwise. | |||
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"I have posted this a couple of times over this last month but it belongs here too. These are the government stats. Welfare Spending for 2011/12 was: 46% state pension 14% housing benefit 8% disability living allowance 5% pension credit 5% income support 4% incapacity benefit 3% attendance allowance 3% council tax benefits 3% jobseeker's allowance 2% winter fuel payments 2% employment support allowance 1% carer's allowance 1% statutory maternity pay and 3% on other discretionary payments. So, 5% of the benefits bill is paid to the unemployed, 8% if you take in housing benefit. Of that 8% of the benefits bill 0.7% is fraudulently claimed. On the plus side 3,500+ people are employed to track down and deal with that 0.7%. How do they know it's only 0.7%? Surely if they know it is 0.7% they must know who they are... and thus it should be 0%... or are they saying they allow 0.7%... or is it 0.7% is a guess based on how many they have caught? Or a guess based on how many they dare admit to?" It sounds very much like that's how many have been caught... So either 3500 people aren't doing a good job, or relatively speaking the benefit fraud problem isn't as big as the headlines make it out. Makes you wonder why there's such hatred when those are the only facts available on the matter, and the rest of what has been offered on the thread has been ideologically driven rhetoric, flimsy anecdotes and desperate assertions that numbers can't possibly be true, because...they just can't. The other side of it is the sheer arrogance of some people who feel they've earnt everything they got...when it's patently not true. I'll speak for myself...I'm a lucky man. I was born in a family where both my parents stayed together, neither had major health issues, neither was educated but they did what they could to put food on the table and clothes on our backs. They were fortunate that house prices were reasonable and they were able to buy the council house we stayed in for a figure around the 30k mark. My siblings and I went to a average school in an inner city area where many classmates came from broken homes, some from abusive homes, some from homes like ours. Some had parents that were ill, some were born into a family that didn't have the means emotional or financial to take care of them. Some had support networks, some didn't. Some can pay for funerals when a family member dies, some struggle with that. Most had parents or guardians who had had not much more than a basic education so weren't able to support their children academically the way I'd be able to support mine. Most if not all couldn't afford any sort of private tuition, which if you're in the business will know is a lucrative business, particularly in leafy suburbs. I could go on, but ultimately, my point is, I had many advantages growing up compared to my peers even if it doesn't look like much. A significant number of this privileges weren't due to my own hard work. It wasn't a silver spoon I was born with, but it was much shinier than that of my peers. I am a fortunate victim of circumstance. I owe fate much. Due to my recognising that so many factors that influenced the course of my life and any successes it has bought me are not of my own making... I don't judge people when they make bad decisions. Many of us make similarly bad decisions, but for some, the consequences of their misadventures can be disproportionately worse, while others get multiple chances at redemption. The arrogance of some is pathetic. I pity your cold hearts and pray your circumstances and the little privileges you are fortunate enough to be gifted (and clearly ignorant of) don't run out so that you may never become trapped in the downward spiral of true financial, emotional, psychological and physical adversity. Well done for pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps though...clearly you did it all on your own (!) | |||
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