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"just been a bit of film showing the picket line at the ambulance/paramedic strike. one of them holding a big placard saying "in the interest of public safety" how the hell is a 24 hour strike going to help public safety??
its all about on busy days they MAY have to go without a meal break"To insist on an hour for lunch when you're doing a job that can make a critical difference to peoples lives does seem a bit wrong. It takes minutes to eat a sandwich. I've had a job where if the equipment broke we'd work 18 hour days until it was fixed, it was a salaried job so no overtime payments. Meals and sleep were taken in shifts, less than 6 hours sleep and certainly not an hour for lunch. | |||
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"just been a bit of film showing the picket line at the ambulance/paramedic strike. one of them holding a big placard saying "in the interest of public safety" how the hell is a 24 hour strike going to help public safety??
its all about on busy days they MAY have to go without a meal break
To insist on an hour for lunch when you're doing a job that can make a critical difference to peoples lives does seem a bit wrong. It takes minutes to eat a sandwich. I've had a job where if the equipment broke we'd work 18 hour days until it was fixed, it was a salaried job so no overtime payments. Meals and sleep were taken in shifts, less than 6 hours sleep and certainly not an hour for lunch."It's not just about having some food, it's as much about having a mental break from the death, serious injury, abuse from drug/alcohol users and a whole manner of things the general public never see on an hourly basis. In your job where you would "work 18 hour days until it was fixed", did anyone die if a small mistake was made? Paramedics are humans like everyone else, and the brutal death, or horrific injury of another human affects them as much as anyone else. | |||
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"just been a bit of film showing the picket line at the ambulance/paramedic strike. one of them holding a big placard saying "in the interest of public safety" how the hell is a 24 hour strike going to help public safety??
its all about on busy days they MAY have to go without a meal break
To insist on an hour for lunch when you're doing a job that can make a critical difference to peoples lives does seem a bit wrong. It takes minutes to eat a sandwich. I've had a job where if the equipment broke we'd work 18 hour days until it was fixed, it was a salaried job so no overtime payments. Meals and sleep were taken in shifts, less than 6 hours sleep and certainly not an hour for lunch."^^Why are people so stupid^^ Anyone say strike and its suddenly "I do this and they should do take what they are given" attitude without giving any real thought to the issues behind the reason for the threatened strike. In this case they are blindingly obvious but it seems they need spelling out for for outraged of boston and Plymouth. HGV drivers have to comply with driving regulations that limit their driving time to a maximum of 4 1/2 hours without a 3/4 hour break and a maximum of 90 hours driving in a rolling 2 week period (there are a lot more regs). This is because it is dangerous to drive when tired, it causes loss of concentration that leads to RTAs, hunger and stress increases the effects of tiredness. Now as that is true for drivers of vehicles that have lower speed limits than normal cars. What effects do you think hunger and tiredness will have to an overworked hungry and tired ambulance driver dealing with their 9/10/11 emergency of the day under blues and twos? Would either of you want to be in the back or even on the same road as that ambulance? Did you actually give any thought to the issues involved? Or maybe you saw the words strike and ambulance service and decided to climb on your 'who do they think they are, I pay their wages' soapboxes...need I say more? | |||
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"just been a bit of film showing the picket line at the ambulance/paramedic strike. one of them holding a big placard saying "in the interest of public safety" how the hell is a 24 hour strike going to help public safety??
its all about on busy days they MAY have to go without a meal break
To insist on an hour for lunch when you're doing a job that can make a critical difference to peoples lives does seem a bit wrong. It takes minutes to eat a sandwich. I've had a job where if the equipment broke we'd work 18 hour days until it was fixed, it was a salaried job so no overtime payments. Meals and sleep were taken in shifts, less than 6 hours sleep and certainly not an hour for lunch.
^^Why are people so stupid^^
Anyone say strike and its suddenly "I do this and they should do take what they are given" attitude without giving any real thought to the issues behind the reason for the threatened strike.
In this case they are blindingly obvious but it seems they need spelling out for for outraged of boston and Plymouth.
HGV drivers have to comply with driving regulations that limit their driving time to a maximum of 4 1/2 hours without a 3/4 hour break and a maximum of 90 hours driving in a rolling 2 week period (there are a lot more regs). This is because it is dangerous to drive when tired, it causes loss of concentration that leads to RTAs, hunger and stress increases the effects of tiredness.
Now as that is true for drivers of vehicles that have lower speed limits than normal cars. What effects do you think hunger and tiredness will have to an overworked hungry and tired ambulance driver dealing with their 9/10/11 emergency of the day under blues and twos? Would either of you want to be in the back or even on the same road as that ambulance? Did you actually give any thought to the issues involved?
Or maybe you saw the words strike and ambulance service and decided to climb on your 'who do they think they are, I pay their wages' soapboxes...need I say more?
"i am not outraged, the original OP was, in fact, regarding the words on the banner, i only mentioned the meal break to point out what they were striking for. i am governed by the digicard in my working life so know about that side of things. | |||
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"just been a bit of film showing the picket line at the ambulance/paramedic strike. one of them holding a big placard saying "in the interest of public safety" how the hell is a 24 hour strike going to help public safety??
its all about on busy days they MAY have to go without a meal break"Have you heard of the saying "walk a mile in my shoes"? Do the job and then be in a position to pass an informed comment. | |||
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"just been a bit of film showing the picket line at the ambulance/paramedic strike. one of them holding a big placard saying "in the interest of public safety" how the hell is a 24 hour strike going to help public safety??
its all about on busy days they MAY have to go without a meal break
Have you heard of the saying "walk a mile in my shoes"? Do the job and then be in a position to pass an informed comment." i repeat, the OP was about the wording on the placard... i.e. how does going on strike for 24 hours make it "in the interest of public safety"
the public are not safe if they are on strike for 24 hours now are they.
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disclaimer, this in no way reflects any of my views for the reason they are on strike | |||
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"just been a bit of film showing the picket line at the ambulance/paramedic strike. one of them holding a big placard saying "in the interest of public safety" how the hell is a 24 hour strike going to help public safety??
its all about on busy days they MAY have to go without a meal break
Have you heard of the saying "walk a mile in my shoes"? Do the job and then be in a position to pass an informed comment.
i repeat, the OP was about the wording on the placard... i.e. how does going on strike for 24 hours make it "in the interest of public safety"
the public are not safe if they are on strike for 24 hours now are they.
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disclaimer, this in no way reflects any of my views for the reason they are on strike""In the interests of public safety" obviously refers to the reason they are striking not the duration of the strike. And do you really think the area they cover will have no service in that time? That the operators on the phone will say "sorry all out ambulance drivers are on strike today, could you go to the next county to have you accident? No? Oh, sorry you will just have to die then, bye!" | |||
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"just been a bit of film showing the picket line at the ambulance/paramedic strike. one of them holding a big placard saying "in the interest of public safety" how the hell is a 24 hour strike going to help public safety??
its all about on busy days they MAY have to go without a meal break
To insist on an hour for lunch when you're doing a job that can make a critical difference to peoples lives does seem a bit wrong. It takes minutes to eat a sandwich. I've had a job where if the equipment broke we'd work 18 hour days until it was fixed, it was a salaried job so no overtime payments. Meals and sleep were taken in shifts, less than 6 hours sleep and certainly not an hour for lunch.
It's not just about having some food, it's as much about having a mental break from the death, serious injury, abuse from drug/alcohol users and a whole manner of things the general public never see on an hourly basis. In your job where you would "work 18 hour days until it was fixed", did anyone die if a small mistake was made? Paramedics are humans like everyone else, and the brutal death, or horrific injury of another human affects them as much as anyone else."Yes people did die when the machinery was incorrectly operated, someone I know was literary cut in half when someone 50 Meyers away pressed the wrong button. Squeezed his midsection through a 6 in gap and he was a big lad. Heavy industry and being at sea no ambulance, just people who had done a 5 day first aid course to offer assistance... Ships don't come under the factory act and as such health and safety laws don't apply. I consider myself very lucky not to have witnessed it.  | |||
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"Occasionally having to miss your lunch maybe acceptable but it's not acceptable on a daily basis." You really dont get it! What is acceptable occasionally now becomes the standard in a short while! And where you may kill a workmate (who presumably knows and accepts the risks involved with the job) through making a mistake because you are overtired. A tired professional driver can kill other road users who dont have the luxury of knowing that they need to avoid the oncoming driver because they are unfit through overwork, lack of food, stress and general tiredness! | |||
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"Occasionally having to miss your lunch maybe acceptable but it's not acceptable on a daily basis. You really dont get it! What is acceptable occasionally now becomes the standard in a short while! And where you may kill a workmate (who presumably knows and accepts the risks involved with the job) through making a mistake because you are overtired. A tired professional driver can kill other road users who dont have the luxury of knowing that they need to avoid the oncoming driver because they are unfit through overwork, lack of food, stress and general tiredness! " Tell that to the families of people who have died because an ambulance didn't make it in time because they were on a lunch break. | |||
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"Occasionally having to miss your lunch maybe acceptable but it's not acceptable on a daily basis. You really dont get it! What is acceptable occasionally now becomes the standard in a short while! And where you may kill a workmate (who presumably knows and accepts the risks involved with the job) through making a mistake because you are overtired. A tired professional driver can kill other road users who dont have the luxury of knowing that they need to avoid the oncoming driver because they are unfit through overwork, lack of food, stress and general tiredness! Tell that to the families of people who have died because an ambulance didn't make it in time because they were on a lunch break." Ah right it was the lazy ambulance staff eating that were responsible for the deaths, not the latest round of cuts that left less crews covering bigger areas! No doubt when people burn to death in house fires it will be down to lazy firefighters not the closing of fire stations and the replacement of full time firefighters with part time retained firefighters | |||
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"Occasionally having to miss your lunch maybe acceptable but it's not acceptable on a daily basis. You really dont get it! What is acceptable occasionally now becomes the standard in a short while! And where you may kill a workmate (who presumably knows and accepts the risks involved with the job) through making a mistake because you are overtired. A tired professional driver can kill other road users who dont have the luxury of knowing that they need to avoid the oncoming driver because they are unfit through overwork, lack of food, stress and general tiredness! Tell that to the families of people who have died because an ambulance didn't make it in time because they were on a lunch break. Ah right it was the lazy ambulance staff eating that were responsible for the deaths, not the latest round of cuts that left less crews covering bigger areas! No doubt when people burn to death in house fires it will be down to lazy firefighters not the closing of fire stations and the replacement of full time firefighters with part time retained firefighters "if you actually read my post above I've already said they are understaffed and have certainly not implied anywhere that they are lazy, you decided to quote a small part of my post and take it out of context. In an ideal world there would be more drivers and paramedics but until that time comes are we happy to see people in desperate need of an ambulance wait around until someone has finished their lunch hour. Another poster that likes to put words into other peoples mouths  | |||
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"Occasionally having to miss your lunch maybe acceptable but it's not acceptable on a daily basis. You really dont get it! What is acceptable occasionally now becomes the standard in a short while! And where you may kill a workmate (who presumably knows and accepts the risks involved with the job) through making a mistake because you are overtired. A tired professional driver can kill other road users who dont have the luxury of knowing that they need to avoid the oncoming driver because they are unfit through overwork, lack of food, stress and general tiredness! Tell that to the families of people who have died because an ambulance didn't make it in time because they were on a lunch break. Ah right it was the lazy ambulance staff eating that were responsible for the deaths, not the latest round of cuts that left less crews covering bigger areas! No doubt when people burn to death in house fires it will be down to lazy firefighters not the closing of fire stations and the replacement of full time firefighters with part time retained firefighters if you actually read my post above I've already said they are understaffed and have certainly not implied anywhere that they are lazy, you decided to quote a small part of my post and take it out of context. In an ideal world there would be more drivers and paramedics but until that time comes are we happy to see people in desperate need of an ambulance wait around until someone has finished their lunch hour. Another poster that likes to put words into other peoples mouths "Actually I did not misquote you in any way count back 5 posts from the quoted post here and you will see that in direct response to my point you said: "Tell that to the families of people who have died because an ambulance didn't make it in time because they were on a lunch break." Nothing else just that, now if I happen to have responded with a point you had already made you either need to take yourself into a corner and give yourself a good talking to! Or take your own advice and not try to twist others posts. Because doing that you will only end up looking like a first class arse.
Because arsy bastards like me will point it out your inconsistencies everyone.
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Bottom line, it's a tough task. And I for one take my hat off to them. | |||
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"Occasionally having to miss your lunch maybe acceptable but it's not acceptable on a daily basis. You really dont get it! What is acceptable occasionally now becomes the standard in a short while! And where you may kill a workmate (who presumably knows and accepts the risks involved with the job) through making a mistake because you are overtired. A tired professional driver can kill other road users who dont have the luxury of knowing that they need to avoid the oncoming driver because they are unfit through overwork, lack of food, stress and general tiredness! Tell that to the families of people who have died because an ambulance didn't make it in time because they were on a lunch break. Ah right it was the lazy ambulance staff eating that were responsible for the deaths, not the latest round of cuts that left less crews covering bigger areas! No doubt when people burn to death in house fires it will be down to lazy firefighters not the closing of fire stations and the replacement of full time firefighters with part time retained firefighters "This is the post where you quoted the last sentence which I didn't quote, hence referring to it as the post above, you even seem to think I was the one who pushed a button and killed someone, maybe you should read what I have written rather than what you think I have written because it seems to be two different things. I then commented on the post I quoted where you rant on and imply that I think ambulance staff and firefighters are lazy. Personally I'd rather they missed an occasional lunch than leave a real emergency case dying somewhere. Nowhere have I stated that these people should be working through their lunch break every day, they are understaffed and should be recruiting more, as I previously stated but you chose to ignore hanging on to the last sentence saying if they agree to miss an occasional lunch they'll have to miss them all before long. As someone else said there are multiple reasons for the difficulties, money, staffing shortages, stupid non emergency callouts, having to wait outside hospitals for an empty bed for the patient. I can't see going on strike over lunch breaks is going to solve any of these, if that is the only reason they are striking. Not so long ago we had junior doctors working 100 hour weeks in wards across the country, I can't remember them going on strike, or insisting on lunch breaks whilst patients died. Patients may have died due to mistakes caused by fatigue, I don't know. It never has and probably never will be a perfect system. NHS staff tend to do their best under conditions that are far from ideal either due to funding constraints or poor management. | |||
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" Tell that to the families of people who have died because an ambulance didn't make it in time because they were on a lunch break." that is a typical tabloid response.. why dont you actually ask the ambulance staff what their working routines consist of..? not the nitty gritty etc, the day in day out stuff where they are not getting the chance to stop have a drink and a bite to eat.. you may want to address your concerns about resources to those that have cut this service to a point where a lot of ambulances are private and do not have paramedics riding.. | |||
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