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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Adebolajo is appealing his conviction...

Hasn't even been sentenced yet, so I'd assume he will also be appealing his sentence once he receives it too.

No doubt he will be using taxpayers money in the form of legal aid to fund his appeals.

Whilst it is his right to appeal, with I hope no chance of success, it does seem that he is using the legal system to gain notarity rather than a realistic chance of being judged to be innocent.

I know we're supposed to be the who take the moral high ground and to respect everyones human rights and that on the grand scheme of things his appeal costs are not a sizable dent in the economics of this country I resent the fact that even a tiny fraction of my tax paid in is subsidising this persons appeals.

He has had his fair trial funded no doubt by the legal aid system, how many publicly funded fair trials do we have to give someone. There have been mistrials in the past and probably will be again in the future, having the whole incident on film does seem to make a clear cut case against these two, there can't be much doubt in anyone's mind that in this case the convictions are sound.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

When you abide by the Rule of Law you can't pick and choose who gets it, or which bits you abide by.

No matter how guilty someone appears, how heinous their crime, how low their chances of success or their motives for using all of the legal remedies available, rights are rights and once you start restricting them for some, you enter a system that is far more arbitrary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"When you abide by the Rule of Law you can't pick and choose who gets it, or which bits you abide by.

this..

and no doubt there will be those in the legislative who say there should be restrictions on whom and for what type of crime 'our taxes' are used etc..

its a slippery slope as once its in its only those who have the private means who can afford justice..

personally i dont like my taxes being spent on cluster bombs but thats democracy..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk....."

define defend..?

him as a citizen having the same rights as you and i then yes sadly we have to lest we end up with the type of society that some extremists want us to adopt..

as a murderer then he has no defence...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"When you abide by the Rule of Law you can't pick and choose who gets it, or which bits you abide by.

Maybe he should fund his own appeal(s) though? He has a family that could try and raise money for him.

Off topic see you at BNO I think you're going to be easy to spot...

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By *ig and daftMan
over a year ago

Love with life

Bring back public hanging.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Bring back public hanging. "

and kids up chimneys..

ricketts also..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

define defend..?

him as a citizen having the same rights as you and i then yes sadly we have to lest we end up with the type of society that some extremists want us to adopt..

as a murderer then he has no defence..."

I not seen on forum post where every person was in agreement since using then. i thought this would be the first..or so i thought

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

let him carry on

hes on burrowed time and he knows it

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

define defend..?

him as a citizen having the same rights as you and i then yes sadly we have to lest we end up with the type of society that some extremists want us to adopt..

as a murderer then he has no defence...

I not seen on forum post where every person was in agreement since using then. i thought this would be the first..or so i thought

they have that in Korea..

personally i would much rather that the police had at the time they murdered Lee Rigby shot them both fatally but that didnt happen ..

so the police treated themat the scene, which in itself says more about us as a society than many things..

and they were both subjected to the rule of law..

which applies as it does to folks wrongfully convicted who 20 years later are rightly freed..

may stick in ones craw but we go down the path that these murderers or the terrorists want then we all suffer and they have a victory..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

define defend..?

him as a citizen having the same rights as you and i then yes sadly we have to lest we end up with the type of society that some extremists want us to adopt..

as a murderer then he has no defence...

I not seen on forum post where every person was in agreement since using then. i thought this would be the first..or so i thought

they have that in Korea..

personally i would much rather that the police had at the time they murdered Lee Rigby shot them both fatally but that didnt happen ..

so the police treated themat the scene, which in itself says more about us as a society than many things..

and they were both subjected to the rule of law..

which applies as it does to folks wrongfully convicted who 20 years later are rightly freed..

may stick in ones craw but we go down the path that these murderers or the terrorists want then we all suffer and they have a victory.. "

No offence but have to disagree about the police fatally shooting them.

To deny them martyrdom ect and keep them alive to face the full force of the law was a good call IMO.

Will be interesting to see the sentences they are after the appeal for longer life sentences goes through.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When you abide by the Rule of Law you can't pick and choose who gets it, or which bits you abide by.

this..

and no doubt there will be those in the legislative who say there should be restrictions on whom and for what type of crime 'our taxes' are used etc..

its a slippery slope as once its in its only those who have the private means who can afford justice..

personally i dont like my taxes being spent on cluster bombs but thats democracy.."

It's not a fair system at the best of times, don't want to make it worst.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"When you abide by the Rule of Law you can't pick and choose who gets it, or which bits you abide by.

this..

and no doubt there will be those in the legislative who say there should be restrictions on whom and for what type of crime 'our taxes' are used etc..

its a slippery slope as once its in its only those who have the private means who can afford justice..

personally i dont like my taxes being spent on cluster bombs but thats democracy.."

Cluster bombs are now banned and the UK has destroyed most of its stockpiles.

I know there is a need for appeals and retrials and that we cannot limit them to certain people, but surely there should be some reason for them, such as (hopefully overwhelming) new evidence. As far as I am aware there is none and he just wants to go over the same trial which I believe will end up with exactly the same result. Do the defence not have to produce something new to give the appeal some chance of success?

No doubt when he gets sentenced he will also be appealing against the length of the sentence also.

Does the appeal go through another jury trial or will he be in front of 3 judges who will decide? Although no doubt the solicitors/barristers will still be making lots of money from it.

It's only been 9 years since the double jeopardy law has been rescinded for serious crimes, so the governments right of appeal has only been in existence for this time.

If he appeals his sentence when he receives it we can only hope that the appeal judges double the sentence for being too lenient, this person should never taste freedom again until he is carried out in a box.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because an appeal is lodged as far as I'm aware it does not mean it will be heard new evidence etc must have come to light

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Because an appeal is lodged as far as I'm aware it does not mean it will be heard new evidence etc must have come to light "

That sounds more sensible, it just seemed to me that he is appealing for the sake of appealing with no realistic chance of success, which is a waste of our money which I'm sure most people would rather see spent elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because an appeal is lodged as far as I'm aware it does not mean it will be heard new evidence etc must have come to light

Whatever judge sitting will make a quick decision that there is no basis for appeal and that will be that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The justice system would be totally clogged and grind to a halt if the guilty were allowed to have appeals heard at will

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

An appeal can be made on two points.

1 - the length of sentence, ie, it is outside of current sentencing guidelines,

2 - on a point of law, such as a misdirection from the trial judge.

Before an appeal can proceed, leave must be gained, so there is no automatic right to appeal.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk....."

He's as entitled to an appeal on the public purse as you or I would be.

Just cos you don't like the criminal or the crime doesn't mean the system's wrong.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Well you'll all know who I agree with in this debate and who I don't!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

His defense of being a soldier at war should have been allowed...

Soldiers who out of uniform while in combat loose all protection in international law and are subject to summary execution. Let him have his appeal then take him and his mate out and string them up!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?"

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your chest and become indignant than it is to carry out any kind of root cause analysis.

Plus, if you took away the more warped aspects of fundamentalism, you might find that they had a point about America and Israel's (hiding behind America like a child every time they get in trouble with the UN)influence in the Middle East.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?"

Why this one?

The victim?

The culprit?

The circumstances?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is a fucking tool.

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By *eedelightsWoman
over a year ago

London

I for one cant possibly think what he has to appeal against. Waist of money and time . Think that they should not see the light of day again

Even having to feed them is rubbish, adds insult to injury!

Not sure why we entertain such people

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Some folks just add so much to a debate...

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By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg

"When you abide by the Rule of Law you can't pick and choose who gets it, or which bits you abide by.

Well spoken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

he should have been shot by security forces and made it look like an accident

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I for one cant possibly think what he has to appeal against. Waist of money and time . Think that they should not see the light of day again

Even having to feed them is rubbish, adds insult to injury!

Not sure why we entertain such people"

He's doing it because he can and because he knows how much in winds up the Little Englanders out there.

Either the laws apply to everyone or we might as well go back to carrying clubs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My point is that if we can find why they are carrying out these attacks or who is training / telling them to carry them out we can possibly avoid it happening again.

After they have the information required then execute them and do what the Russians did a few years back after a Muslim attack, bury the bodies wrapped in pig skins which I believe us one of the biggest insults to a Muslim !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Either the laws apply to everyone or we might as well go back to carrying clubs."

It's a shame they don't, just the people who don't matter.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your chest and become indignant than it is to carry out any kind of root cause analysis.

A fair proportion of UK political leaders are supporters of Israel, the group is called 'friends of israel'

The formation of Israel has caused a long term problem that isn't going to go away.

Can you imagine if we had let them take (for example)75% of Wales as a homeland instead of Palestine... Any US government that doesn't support Israel will not last in power due to the voting power of the bible belt. I've read up a bit on Palestine to try and work out for myself why it is a problem area and it seems to me that the Palestinians have over the past few thousand years received the shitty end of the stick. They cannot hope to face off against the west or the nations such as Israel on a level playing field so they turn to what we consider to be terrorism. Depending upon what side of the fence you sit on, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I'm fairly sure when we pull out of the middle east the same problems will return. Europeans have slaughtered millions of each other in fairly recent history, and things are now fairly stable, maybe it's time to sit back and let the middle east sort themselves out like the europeans have, however distasteful that prospect seems.

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By *eedelightsWoman
over a year ago

London

"I for one cant possibly think what he has to appeal against. Waist of money and time . Think that they should not see the light of day again

Even having to feed them is rubbish, adds insult to injury!

Not sure why we entertain such people

He's doing it because he can and because he knows how much in winds up the Little Englanders out there.

Either the laws apply to everyone or we might as well go back to carrying clubs."

Yeah this little englander is a little wound up! Sorry if that offends

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I for one cant possibly think what he has to appeal against. Waist of money and time . Think that they should not see the light of day again

Even having to feed them is rubbish, adds insult to injury!

Not sure why we entertain such people

He's doing it because he can and because he knows how much in winds up the Little Englanders out there.

Either the laws apply to everyone or we might as well go back to carrying clubs.

Yeah this little englander is a little wound up! Sorry if that offends"

Not offended at all. Not even surprised any more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I for one cant possibly think what he has to appeal against. Waist of money and time . Think that they should not see the light of day again

Even having to feed them is rubbish, adds insult to injury!

Not sure why we entertain such people"

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By *eedelightsWoman
over a year ago

London

"I for one cant possibly think what he has to appeal against. Waist of money and time . Think that they should not see the light of day again

Even having to feed them is rubbish, adds insult to injury!

Not sure why we entertain such people

He's doing it because he can and because he knows how much in winds up the Little Englanders out there.

Either the laws apply to everyone or we might as well go back to carrying clubs.

Yeah this little englander is a little wound up! Sorry if that offends

Not offended at all. Not even surprised any more."

Surprised that people are angry? Fed up? Had enough?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your chest and become indignant than it is to carry out any kind of root cause analysis.

A fair proportion of UK political leaders are supporters of Israel, the group is called 'friends of israel'

The formation of Israel has caused a long term problem that isn't going to go away.

You can't do that because the first thing they'll pick on is Israel! Then America will come to Israel's defense and you're back to square one.

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I for one cant possibly think what he has to appeal against. Waist of money and time . Think that they should not see the light of day again

Even having to feed them is rubbish, adds insult to injury!

Not sure why we entertain such people

He's doing it because he can and because he knows how much in winds up the Little Englanders out there.

Either the laws apply to everyone or we might as well go back to carrying clubs.

Yeah this little englander is a little wound up! Sorry if that offends

Not offended at all. Not even surprised any more.

Surprised that people are angry? Fed up? Had enough? "

anger is never a good way of dealing with this type of issue, nor was muppets petrol bombing plcaes of worship..

what are you fed up with, had enough of..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk....."

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By *eedelightsWoman
over a year ago

London

"I for one cant possibly think what he has to appeal against. Waist of money and time . Think that they should not see the light of day again

Even having to feed them is rubbish, adds insult to injury!

Not sure why we entertain such people

He's doing it because he can and because he knows how much in winds up the Little Englanders out there.

Either the laws apply to everyone or we might as well go back to carrying clubs.

Yeah this little englander is a little wound up! Sorry if that offends

Not offended at all. Not even surprised any more.

Surprised that people are angry? Fed up? Had enough?

anger is never a good way of dealing with this type of issue, nor was muppets petrol bombing plcaes of worship..

what are you fed up with, had enough of..?"

Hey, i am good , said my thoughts so all good!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bring back public hanging.

and kids up chimneys..

ricketts also..?"
are you for real ?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

No one's defending 'this waste of spunk' as he so eloquently put it, they're defending the justice system that prosecuted him. Or would you prefer we all went over to the justice system that's favoured in the Middle East? Which would be ironic, if nothing else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Missing the point much?...

I wasn't aware it was your son, I do apologise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Missing the point much?...

I wasn't aware it was your son, I do apologise."
wasn't my son but some poor mothers son who isn't here no more you should be ashamed of yourself

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Missing the point much?...

I wasn't aware it was your son, I do apologise. wasn't my son but some poor mothers son who isn't here no more you should be ashamed of yourself"

Ashamed of myself for what, defending our legal system? It'll be a cold day in hell before I do that.

Other than that, take your guilt trip elsewhere, as I haven't defended Adebolajo at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Missing the point much?...

I wasn't aware it was your son, I do apologise. wasn't my son but some poor mothers son who isn't here no more you should be ashamed of yourself

Ashamed of myself for what, defending our legal system? It'll be a cold day in hell before I do that.

Other than that, take your guilt trip elsewhere, as I haven't defended Adebolajo at all."
its gonna be a hot day in hell when he gets there

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Missing the point much?...

I wasn't aware it was your son, I do apologise. wasn't my son but some poor mothers son who isn't here no more you should be ashamed of yourself

Ashamed of myself for what, defending our legal system? It'll be a cold day in hell before I do that.

Other than that, take your guilt trip elsewhere, as I haven't defended Adebolajo at all.its gonna be a hot day in hell when he gets there"

I don't doubt it but that's not what we were debating.

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By *uppy ConquerorMan
over a year ago

dundee

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

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the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

Nigel Kennedy recently got censored by the BBC For suggesting the same thing. Ironic, given the accusation of Left-Wing bias that's always thrown around here where the BBC are concerned!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Missing the point much?...

I wasn't aware it was your son, I do apologise. wasn't my son but some poor mothers son who isn't here no more you should be ashamed of yourself

Ashamed of myself for what, defending our legal system? It'll be a cold day in hell before I do that.

Other than that, take your guilt trip elsewhere, as I haven't defended Adebolajo at all.its gonna be a hot day in hell when he gets there

I don't doubt it but that's not what we were debating."
ha yes my fault , we are debating weather he should be able to appeal and get legal aid ?no hope he rots

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over a year ago

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

That sounds like you're referring to every single Jew there....

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

That sounds like you're referring to every single Jew there...."

I'm fairly certain that wasn't his intention, it certainly wasn't mine. Anti-Zionist and Anti-Semitic aren't the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

That sounds like you're referring to every single Jew there...."
,6 millions Jews where killed can't believe some people on here the crap they say hope Jewish people on here don't get offended of what is said about them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

That sounds like you're referring to every single Jew there....

I'm fairly certain that wasn't his intention, it certainly wasn't mine. Anti-Zionist and Anti-Semitic aren't the same thing."

I'm well aware of the difference, I was pointing out that perhaps it would be wise to be careful. What the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians is an atrocity; not all Jews are Israelis or pro Israel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

That sounds like you're referring to every single Jew there.... ,6 millions Jews where killed can't believe some people on here the crap they say hope Jewish people on here don't get offended of what is said about them"

I'm Jewish.....

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By *ecor atorMan
over a year ago

York

I'd heard the Cunt had had his teeth knocked out.

I hope he doesn't live enough to appeal.

He would probably claim he'd do it agian if released.

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over a year ago

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

I'm Jewish.....

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i think it's a disgrace some of the comments that have been said about the Jews

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over a year ago

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

I'm Jewish.....

i think it's a disgrace some of the comments that have been said about the Jews "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

I'm Jewish.....

i think it's a disgrace some of the comments that have been said about the Jews

I wasn't trying to cause an argument... I was pointing something out. Personally I think there's some fairly awful things said about Muslims too. The comment about wrapping a body in pig skin, which is Haram is one such comment that shocked me. "
we agree with you, the thread was about them 2 evil gits and to bring Jews on the same thread as them well can't get my breath

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over a year ago

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

I'm Jewish.....

i think it's a disgrace some of the comments that have been said about the Jews

I wasn't trying to cause an argument... I was pointing something out. Personally I think there's some fairly awful things said about Muslims too. The comment about wrapping a body in pig skin, which is Haram is one such comment that shocked me. we agree with you, the thread was about them 2 evil gits and to bring Jews on the same thread as them well can't get my breath"

There is evil and good in EVERY religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

define defend..?

him as a citizen having the same rights as you and i then yes sadly we have to lest we end up with the type of society that some extremists want us to adopt..

as a murderer then he has no defence..."

couldn't have put it better myself

Some of the opinions about his right to a fair trial or appeal or how he should be punished truly disturb me and seem to endorse the regime of Countries like North Korea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

define defend..?

him as a citizen having the same rights as you and i then yes sadly we have to lest we end up with the type of society that some extremists want us to adopt..

as a murderer then he has no defence...

couldn't have put it better myself

Some of the opinions about his right to a fair trial or appeal or how he should be punished truly disturb me and seem to endorse the regime of Countries like North Korea.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Shouldnt be allowed to appeal, the evidence was over whelming.

However, it does give the chance to increase the punishment, and cut a few finger tips off, remove and eye, pull a few teeth out, that kind of thing.

Im not doing anything next Tuesday and happily offer my time and surgery skills to the relevant departments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

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over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

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he has had is trail found guilty end of

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By *FlackoxCouple
over a year ago

London

"When you abide by the Rule of Law you can't pick and choose who gets it, or which bits you abide by.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

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as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it, if he as the money to pay for himself then that's fine with me

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

I'm Jewish.....

i think it's a disgrace some of the comments that have been said about the Jews

I wasn't trying to cause an argument... I was pointing something out. Personally I think there's some fairly awful things said about Muslims too. The comment about wrapping a body in pig skin, which is Haram is one such comment that shocked me. we agree with you, the thread was about them 2 evil gits and to bring Jews on the same thread as them well can't get my breath"

Israel, not Jews, was bought into the conversation because they're a major contributor to Middle East stresses and confrontations. The scale of the atrocities carried out by Hitler against Jews wasn't in question. The behaviour of Israel towards Palestine was. There are comparisons to be made.

As for their presence in this thread, that's how debates develop. That's how the other thread got from Jim Davidson to Napolean.

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over a year ago

At the end of the day it's not this crazy man who's appealing it's his lawyer and that's so he/she can screw more money out of the system.

If the appeal lasts a week at £500/hr or whatever they earn can you blame them?

Psycho Muslim extremist whatever you want to call him expected to die that day so the last thing he's thinking about is the appeal process.

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over a year ago

"I would like to hear what they are thinking. Find out who educated them and why they did this.

I don't know what these extremists want. Do they want us all to become Muslims Because that ain't ever going to happen!

To carry out this act takes a very twisted or brain-washed mind .

I'm all for the death penalty in certain cases like this one but why did it happen in the first place?

Who cares? Far quicker to puff out your c

It's Hitler's fault for creating so many displaced Jews!

the way the jews treat the palestinians is up there with the atrocities hitler committed.

I'm Jewish.....

i think it's a disgrace some of the comments that have been said about the Jews

I wasn't trying to cause an argument... I was pointing something out. Personally I think there's some fairly awful things said about Muslims too. The comment about wrapping a body in pig skin, which is Haram is one such comment that shocked me. we agree with you, the thread was about them 2 evil gits and to bring Jews on the same thread as them well can't get my breath

As for their presence in this thread, that's how debates develop. That's how the other thread got from Jim Davidson to Napolean.

Jim Davidson to Napoleon ? Now that thread I must read !!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it"

And if he does, I'll skweem and skweem and skweem until my face turns blue...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it, if he as the money to pay for himself then that's fine with me"

But that's not how taxation works is it? Picking and chosing where our taxes are spent is as unworkable as picking and choosing which parts of the judicial process we respect.

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over a year ago

"as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it

And if he does, I'll skweem and skweem and skweem until my face turns blue..."

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over a year ago

"as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it

And if he does, I'll skweem and skweem and skweem until my face turns blue..."
weird

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Id like to think we have a right to know where our money goes but is it that simple?

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over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it, if he as the money to pay for himself then that's fine with me

But that's not how taxation works is it? Picking and chosing where our taxes are spent is as unworkable as picking and choosing which parts of the judicial process we respect. "
lets do a fab vote who's happy to chip in and pay for his appeal?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it, if he as the money to pay for himself then that's fine with me

But that's not how taxation works is it? Picking and chosing where our taxes are spent is as unworkable as picking and choosing which parts of the judicial process we respect. "

Dear Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer,

Can I have some tax-payers money for a new Blu-Ray player that also plays SACD's and DVD-Audio discs please as I need to rationalise on the amount of boxes sitting under the TV.

Regards,

Mr. JFL

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over a year ago

. Anti-Zionist and Anti-Semitic aren't the same thing."

The Anti Zionist Front may disagree with you there. They use a swastika in their paraphernalia. Many groups use the anti Zionist movement as a front for their anti semitism.

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over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it, if he as the money to pay for himself then that's fine with me

But that's not how taxation works is it? Picking and chosing where our taxes are spent is as unworkable as picking and choosing which parts of the judicial process we respect.

Dear Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer,

Can I have some tax-payers money for a new Blu-Ray player that also plays SACD's and DVD-Audio discs please as I need to rationalise on the amount of boxes sitting under the TV.

Regards,

Mr. JFL"

Publicly ridiculing someone isn't an attractive trait.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it, if he as the money to pay for himself then that's fine with me

But that's not how taxation works is it? Picking and chosing where our taxes are spent is as unworkable as picking and choosing which parts of the judicial process we respect. lets do a fab vote who's happy to chip in and pay for his appeal?"

I am. Doesn't mean I want him to win it but I am happy to pay for him to appeal as any convicted prisoner is entitled to.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it, if he as the money to pay for himself then that's fine with me

But that's not how taxation works is it? Picking and chosing where our taxes are spent is as unworkable as picking and choosing which parts of the judicial process we respect.

Dear Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer,

Can I have some tax-payers money for a new Blu-Ray player that also plays SACD's and DVD-Audio discs please as I need to rationalise on the amount of boxes sitting under the TV.

Regards,

Mr. JFL

Publicly ridiculing someone isn't an attractive trait. "

But it's incredibly revealing about the one doing the ridiculing.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

unfortunately its the law that anyone has the right to appeal id hate to be his lawyer

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it, if he as the money to pay for himself then that's fine with me

But that's not how taxation works is it? Picking and chosing where our taxes are spent is as unworkable as picking and choosing which parts of the judicial process we respect.

Dear Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer,

Can I have some tax-payers money for a new Blu-Ray player that also plays SACD's and DVD-Audio discs please as I need to rationalise on the amount of boxes sitting under the TV.

Regards,

Mr. JFL

Publicly ridiculing someone isn't an attractive trait.

But it's incredibly revealing about the one doing the ridiculing."

Who was ridiculing? I need a new fucking Blu-Ray player!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

. Anti-Zionist and Anti-Semitic aren't the same thing.

The Anti Zionist Front may disagree with you there. They use a swastika in their paraphernalia. Many groups use the anti Zionist movement as a front for their anti semitism. "

Zionists are the radical Jews - I would be appalled to be cast in the same group as Zionists. Jews can be Anti Zionist, just as Muslims can be Anti Extremists.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"unfortunately its the law that anyone has the right to appeal id hate to be his lawyer "

I'm sure the brief and refreshers will cheer him/ her up.

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over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it, if he as the money to pay for himself then that's fine with me"

The law is the law, the government was voted in , if you don't like the laws of the land, you can work towards changing them, alas you have no say in how your taxes are spent, unless you get support and stand against the elected parties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

. Anti-Zionist and Anti-Semitic aren't the same thing.

The Anti Zionist Front may disagree with you there. They use a swastika in their paraphernalia. Many groups use the anti Zionist movement as a front for their anti semitism.

Zionists are the radical Jews - I would be appalled to be cast in the same group as Zionists. Jews can be Anti Zionist, just as Muslims can be Anti Extremists. "

I realise this. There are many Jewish organisations that are apposed to the zionists but there is a very strong anti jewish following that join up with the Ani Zionists. They use these groups to legitimise their anti semitism.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

. Anti-Zionist and Anti-Semitic aren't the same thing.

The Anti Zionist Front may disagree with you there. They use a swastika in their paraphernalia. Many groups use the anti Zionist movement as a front for their anti semitism.

Zionists are the radical Jews - I would be appalled to be cast in the same group as Zionists. Jews can be Anti Zionist, just as Muslims can be Anti Extremists. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

. Anti-Zionist and Anti-Semitic aren't the same thing.

The Anti Zionist Front may disagree with you there. They use a swastika in their paraphernalia. Many groups use the anti Zionist movement as a front for their anti semitism.

Zionists are the radical Jews - I would be appalled to be cast in the same group as Zionists. Jews can be Anti Zionist, just as Muslims can be Anti Extremists.

Unfortunately in these situations people who are afraid of those who aren't the same as themselves. They feel that people who don't have the same beliefs as themselves are going to try and convert them, or poison them with their own views. I am very much a Jew by birth and not by belief, but my heritage is important to me. I work in a Muslim community and have affiliations with a local Muslim education centre.

As I said previously in the thread, there are good and bad in each and every religion, there are extremists in each and every religion, there always will be and there always has been. But when people stop being afraid of others who are different from themselves then a lot of these preconceived ideas will dissipate. Sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Time to do away with religion altogether.

No more Dog botherers!

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over a year ago

"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

as a tax payer I have the right to no where my money goes and I don't want him using it, if he as the money to pay for himself then that's fine with me

I am. Doesn't mean I want him to win it but I am happy to pay for him to appeal as any convicted prisoner is entitled to. "

Same here

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Bring back public hanging.

and kids up chimneys..

ricketts also..? are you for real ?"

care to debate the issue instead of being obtuse..?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"Whats the betting that someone from fab will defend this waste of spunk.....

Defending tge system that gives him the right to a fair trial and the right to appeal is not the same as defending his actions.

this..

trouble is some on here just cant seem to look at what is actually said and respond to that..

far easier to get all ' do this, do that ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"unfortunately its the law that anyone has the right to appeal id hate to be his lawyer "

I was thinking exactly the same. Whoever got that case must have had their head in their hands!

I think the way the police acted saved a lot of trouble in court, everything seemed to be done by the book.

Being ex Army I was devastated by what happened but similar things have happened before and the justice system has got to be seen to do its job.

These 2 will get there just deserts in prison (proper justice given out by inmates always seems ironic to me)

Hasn't one of these two already lodged an appeal and had it kicked out in minutes or am I thinking of someone else.

I don't know how people qualify for Legal Aid but it does stick in the throat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yawn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yawn. "

That was a constructive and insightful contribution to the discussion

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over a year ago

"Yawn. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At times like these, i always think :

If, and it's a big IF, you were a Solictor/Lawyer, would you, COULD you accept such a case. AFAIK it's not compulsory to do so. And i certainly couldn't.

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over a year ago

At times like these, i always think :

If, and it's a big IF, you were a Solictor/Lawyer, would you, COULD you accept such a case. AFAIK it's not compulsory to do so. And i certainly couldn't.

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never for all the money in the world these 2 are pure evil hope they rot

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

At times like these, i always think :

If, and it's a big IF, you were a Solictor/Lawyer, would you, COULD you accept such a case. AFAIK it's not compulsory to do so. And i certainly couldn't.

If its in a field you have experience of and you're next on the list, you have no choice. It's a taxi rank.

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over a year ago

At times like these, i always think :

If, and it's a big IF, you were a Solictor/Lawyer, would you, COULD you accept such a case. AFAIK it's not compulsory to do so. And i certainly couldn't.

If its in a field you have experience of and you're next on the list, you have no choice. It's a taxi rank."
every one has a choice

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

The issue of representation is an interesting one, far as i know everyone is entitled to a defence in our courts..

child murderers have and will be, accept its not a case that an advocate may well leap at but the process has to happen..

justice must not only be done, it must be seen to be done or something along those lines..

imagine a scenario whereby the court of appeal finds that as defendant convicted of one of the most disgusting and heinous crimes was an unsafe conviction as the advocate was remiss or failed due to inexperience to represent the defendant to the best of their abilities..

cue a retrial, more anguish for the family etc..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

At times like these, i always think :

If, and it's a big IF, you were a Solictor/Lawyer, would you, COULD you accept such a case. AFAIK it's not compulsory to do so. And i certainly couldn't.

If its in a field you have experience of and you're next on the list, you have no choice. It's a taxi rank. every one has a choice"

I defer to your greater experience of the Criminal Bar.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Very early on in this discussion I made a point it seems as though everyone has either missed it or is just ignoring it...

The fact is in his trial he claimed to be a soldier fighting a war. There are very strict rules about what soldiers can and can't do and amongst them is a very strict rule that says soldiers must be in uniform when in combat and any soldier not in uniform who engages in hostile acts looses all protection and is subject to to summary execution. I suggest that they have no rights in law and should be allowed reclaim their military status and then treated accordingly.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Very early on in this discussion I made a point it seems as though everyone has either missed it or is just ignoring it...

It was ignored cos it was nonsense then and nonsense now.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Very early on in this discussion I made a point it seems as though everyone has either missed it or is just ignoring it...

everyone has rights 'in law', its what seperates us and our system from the types of people the extremists want us to become..

he was'nt or is'nt a soldier and as such cant be treated along the lines of which you suggest..

a soldier ie a member of the armed forces of a foriegn state is protected by the Geneva convention as are ours when engaged etc..

accepting that he was a soldier gives credibility to the radical extremists, they are not and should not be afforded such status..

any tom, dick or harriet could claim the same..

he is a murderer and will be banged up for a very long time..

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Very early on in this discussion I made a point it seems as though everyone has either missed it or is just ignoring it...

It was ignored cos it was nonsense then and nonsense now."

Funny that, seems that the UN and international law would not agree with you...

Its the reason that the US deem insurgents as illegal combatants and are not being held to account in the international courts for their aggressive kill policies.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Very early on in this discussion I made a point it seems as though everyone has either missed it or is just ignoring it...

It was ignored cos it was nonsense then and nonsense now.

Funny that, seems that the UN and international law would not agree with you...

Its the reason that the US deem insurgents as illegal combatants and are not being held to account in the international courts for their aggressive kill policies."

Are you really quoting what Uncle Sam does as proof of international law?

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over a year ago

Well im sure those dealing with case in the courts already have been briefed by the government on how they want the outcome to be .........in secret of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yawn.

That was a constructive and insightful contribution to the discussion

No, it was a yawn, which given the general tone of the thread was all it deserved.

Perhaps next time I'll get all "Outraged of Tunbridge Wells" on yo ass, but not this time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dear Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer,

Can I have some tax-payers money for a new Blu-Ray player that also plays SACD's and DVD-Audio discs please as I need to rationalise on the amount of boxes sitting under the TV.

Regards,

Mr. JFL"

I'd approve your request - just on the ground of someone mentioning SACD and DVD-A on Fab!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

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Dear Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer,

Can I have some tax-payers money for a new Blu-Ray player that also plays SACD's and DVD-Audio discs please as I need to rationalise on the amount of boxes sitting under the TV.

Regards,

Mr. JFL

I'd approve your request - just on the ground of someone mentioning SACD and DVD-A on Fab!

DVDA gets mentioned fairly regularly but not DVD-A

SACD? Never seen it mentioned!

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