FabSwingers.com forum: Sugar vs fat

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Which is worst

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Both in the wrong quantities

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sugar.

You need essential fatty acids for your joints and skin.

Too much sugar converts to day and is addictive.

Fat doesn't cause dental decay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Damn have I missed the start of Horizon?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I decided I'd just read about it on here. Let me know the salient points, if there are any.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Which is worse?! Sugar and fat are both essential for the boddy's nutrition. Why should they be conceived as bad when they are good for you. The bad thing is the exagerated intake. Or unsufficient intake of either and any other nutritions our boddy needs. a complete balanced diet with a daily physical activity is the healthy way.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

If you consume either in high amounts they can be equally bad for you.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

refined sugar is a recent part of our diet ..fat has been part of our diet since we started eating meat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sugar's good for you!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sugar, I have been told is a toxin. I might Google it later to see if it is. I do tend to believe anything this man tells me about nutrition

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trans fats aren't good for you apparently

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Which is worse?! Sugar and fat are both essential for the boddy's nutrition. Why should they be conceived as bad when they are good for you. The bad thing is the exagerated intake. Or unsufficient intake of either and any other nutritions our boddy needs. a complete balanced diet with a daily physical activity is the healthy way."

Sugar isn't essential.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anything processed is bad!

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By *exycleanerWoman
over a year ago

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"Anything processed is bad! "

yep its the combination of fat and sugar thats bad for you.

balanced diet and excercise all the way x

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

What was the final view on doughnuts then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What was the final view on doughnuts then?

Some have holes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What was the final view on doughnuts then?

they smell better than they taste

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sugar isn't essential. "

I take it when you say sugar you mean cane sugar. Sugar is not restricted to cane sugar. Most food we eat contains sugar(s). Vegetables, fruits, pasta and bread and even meat contain sugars. Liver is rich in sugars as well. Sugars in plurial because there isn't one type of sugar your body needs as well as fats.there are simple sugars and complxe sugars that needs digested and decomposed to simple sugars before being absorbed into the blood to be delivered to body cells where they are processed to produce energy. Its mainly sugars that gives your body the necessary energy you need for physical and mental activities. So yes they are essential. Also known in the medical sciences as Carbohydrate. Just like a car needs fuel to run. You need sugars to survive and keep going.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What was the final view on doughnuts then?

they smell better than they taste"

Depends where you stick them and what you do with them

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"What was the final view on doughnuts then?

they smell better than they taste"

I like the taste of a raspberry jam filled doughnut.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What was the final view on doughnuts then?

they smell better than they taste

I like the taste of a raspberry jam filled doughnut.

I prefer ring doughnuts ...and i used to like the custard filled ones....not had one for years though

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I decided I'd just read about it on here. Let me know the salient points, if there are any.

Or you could participate.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

The final word is that glazed ring doughnuts are the nearest to 50/50 fat and sugar which is the magic 'most evil of all' balance to make you fat, haha!!

And they failed to mention different metabolic types having different needs too. It was a bit of a wishy washy programme as usual - they didn;t really present one side or the other well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sugar isn't essential.

Refined sugars I think, processed food. Too much fat=bad, too much sugar=bad, too much sugar and fat combined in processed food=bad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The final word is that glazed ring doughnuts are the nearest to 50/50 fat and sugar which is the magic 'most evil of all' balance to make you fat, haha!!

And they failed to mention different metabolic types having different needs too. It was a bit of a wishy washy programme as usual - they didn;t really present one side or the other well."

Are they ok if you just slightly nibble them and use them for sexual purposes ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow science and humour on one forum that's nectar to the brainx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow science and humour on one forum that's nectar to the brainx"

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Now I like Sugar Ray Leonard, but I also like Fatboy Slim......

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Wow science and humour on one forum that's nectar to the brainx"

It won't last x

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The final word is that glazed ring doughnuts are the nearest to 50/50 fat and sugar which is the magic 'most evil of all' balance to make you fat, haha!!

And they failed to mention different metabolic types having different needs too. It was a bit of a wishy washy programme as usual - they didn;t really present one side or the other well."

That's all I needed to know. Death by doughnuts it is then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Equally too less sugar = bad, too less fat =bad. Causes animia and other chronical deseases. Nearly everything is processed nowadays so thats a different subject.

Sugar isn't essential.

I take it when you say sugar you mean cane sugar. Sugar is not restricted to cane sugar. Most food we eat contains sugar(s). Vegetables, fruits, pasta and bread

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Refined sugars I think, processed food. Too much fat=bad, too much sugar=bad, too much sugar and fat combined in processed food=bad. "

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"The final word is that glazed ring doughnuts are the nearest to 50/50 fat and sugar which is the magic 'most evil of all' balance to make you fat, haha!!

And they failed to mention different metabolic types having different needs too. It was a bit of a wishy washy programme as usual - they didn;t really present one side or the other well.

Are they ok if you just slightly nibble them and use them for sexual purposes ?

Strangely they didn't cover that? I would say most things are ok to slightly nibble and use for sexual purposes!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The final word is that glazed ring doughnuts are the nearest to 50/50 fat and sugar which is the magic 'most evil of all' balance to make you fat, haha!!

And they failed to mention different metabolic types having different needs too. It was a bit of a wishy washy programme as usual - they didn;t really present one side or the other well.

Are they ok if you just slightly nibble them and use them for sexual purposes ?

Strangely they didn't cover that? I would say most things are ok to slightly nibble and use for sexual purposes!!

Phewwww i can put them back on me shopping list

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I prefer Sugar in my Coffee

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Strangely they didn't cover that? I would say most things are ok to slightly nibble and use for sexual purposes!!

Phewwww i can put them back on me shopping list

I think Ryan and Obi should be dead thinking about it. Look at the amount of doughnuts they need just for measuring purposes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Equally too less sugar = bad, too less fat =bad. Causes animia and other chronical deseases. Nearly everything is processed nowadays so thats a different subject.

Sugar isn't essential.

I take it when you say sugar you mean cane sugar. Sugar is not restricted to cane sugar. Most food we eat contains sugar(s). Vegetables, fruits, pasta and bread

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Refined sugars I think, processed food. Too much fat=bad, too much sugar=bad, too much sugar and fat combined in processed food=bad. "
I didn't know carrots had sugar in!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The final word is that glazed ring doughnuts are the nearest to 50/50 fat and sugar which is the magic 'most evil of all' balance to make you fat, haha!!

And they failed to mention different metabolic types having different needs too. It was a bit of a wishy washy programme as usual - they didn;t really present one side or the other well.

Are they ok if you just slightly nibble them and use them for sexual purposes ?

Strangely they didn't cover that? I would say most things are ok to slightly nibble and use for sexual purposes!!

Who copied who with that idea!?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

" I didn't know carrots had sugar in!! "

Well, they don't contain white refined sugar but they are naturally sweet and contain carbs with fructose and glucose.

All fruit and vegetables have sugar in them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The final word is that glazed ring doughnuts are the nearest to 50/50 fat and sugar which is the magic 'most evil of all' balance to make you fat, haha!!

And they failed to mention different metabolic types having different needs too. It was a bit of a wishy washy programme as usual - they didn;t really present one side or the other well.

Are they ok if you just slightly nibble them and use them for sexual purposes ?

Strangely they didn't cover that? I would say most things are ok to slightly nibble and use for sexual purposes!!

Phewwww i can put them back on me shopping list

you still owe me one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The final word is that glazed ring doughnuts are the nearest to 50/50 fat and sugar which is the magic 'most evil of all' balance to make you fat, haha!!

And they failed to mention different metabolic types having different needs too. It was a bit of a wishy washy programme as usual - they didn;t really present one side or the other well.

Are they ok if you just slightly nibble them and use them for sexual purposes ?

Strangely they didn't cover that? I would say most things are ok to slightly nibble and use for sexual purposes!!

Phewwww i can put them back on me shopping list

you still owe me one

Only the one ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" I didn't know carrots had sugar in!!

Well, they don't contain white refined sugar but they are naturally sweet and contain carbs with fructose and glucose.

All fruit and vegetables have sugar in them.

Ah see you can contribute x

My dear old dad in war torn Britain, I'm talking 1942/3

The only sweet thing on offer to him as a boy was a carrot. And the kids on that council estate back then devoured them.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"The final word is that glazed ring doughnuts are the nearest to 50/50 fat and sugar which is the magic 'most evil of all' balance to make you fat, haha!!

And they failed to mention different metabolic types having different needs too. It was a bit of a wishy washy programme as usual - they didn't really present one side or the other well.

Are they ok if you just slightly nibble them and use them for sexual purposes ?

Of course the other problem is their entire hypothesis may be biased - maybe the selection of glazed ring doughnuts over iced and cream doughnuts is not about their sugar vs fat percentage, but their pavlovian association with cock measuring??

You see ring doughnuts, you drool, you select! Voila - science turned on it's head!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The final word is that glazed ring doughnuts are the nearest to 50/50 fat and sugar which is the magic 'most evil of all' balance to make you fat, haha!!

And they failed to mention different metabolic types having different needs too. It was a bit of a wishy washy programme as usual - they didn;t really present one side or the other well.

Are they ok if you just slightly nibble them and use them for sexual purposes ?

Strangely they didn't cover that? I would say most things are ok to slightly nibble and use for sexual purposes!!

Phewwww i can put them back on me shopping list

you still owe me one

Only the one ?

well you never know

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Anything processed is bad! "

Any food that hasn't just been pulled out of the earth or picked off a tree by our own fair hands in processed in one way or another. Flour is processed. Cheese is processed. It's just a case of working out which food has had the most chemicals pushed in it during processing and cutting them out.

I'll stick to my 'everything in moderation' rule.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The final word is that glazed ring doughnuts are the nearest to 50/50 fat and sugar which is the magic 'most evil of all' balance to make you fat, haha!!

And they failed to mention different metabolic types having different needs too. It was a bit of a wishy washy programme as usual - they didn;t really present one side or the other well.

Are they ok if you just slightly nibble them and use them for sexual purposes ?

Strangely they didn't cover that? I would say most things are ok to slightly nibble and use for sexual purposes!!

Phewwww i can put them back on me shopping list

you still owe me one

Only the one ?

well you never know

Oh well in that case, i will give you one (possibly 3) anytime

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

" I didn't know carrots had sugar in!!

Well, they don't contain white refined sugar but they are naturally sweet and contain carbs with fructose and glucose.

All fruit and vegetables have sugar in them.

Ah see you can contribute x

My dear old dad in war torn Britain, I'm talking 1942/3

The only sweet thing on offer to him as a boy was a carrot. And the kids on that council estate back then devoured them. "

I was contributing. I bought the important aspect of the doughnut into play. A food that is fat and sugar.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Anything processed is bad!

I'll stick to my 'everything in moderation' rule. "

I think the word processed gets misused a lot. Sticking meat into fire processes it.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

And a glazed ring is the worst sort

Of donut that is

A 50/50 mix of refined sugar and highly processed fat overwhelms the pleasure centres of the brain and defeats our natural control mechanisms.

It would appear keeping food groups apart helps as does exercise to avoid muscle wastage.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anything processed is bad!

I'll stick to my 'everything in moderation' rule.

I think the word processed gets misused a lot. Sticking meat into fire processes it.

Aw come on. I think an intelligent person knows what we mean we say processed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" I didn't know carrots had sugar in!!

Well, they don't contain white refined sugar but they are naturally sweet and contain carbs with fructose and glucose.

All fruit and vegetables have sugar in them.

Ah see you can contribute x

My dear old dad in war torn Britain, I'm talking 1942/3

The only sweet thing on offer to him as a boy was a carrot. And the kids on that council estate back then devoured them.

I was contributing. I bought the important aspect of the doughnut into play. A food that is fat and sugar."

I was agreeing with you

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Sugar isn't essential.

Sorry but you need a few more chemistry lessons.

Sugars are carbohydrates but they are not the only carbohydrates.

Sugar, or even sugars, are not essential.

As for how essential carbs are, opinions vary. Some people eat permanent very low carb diets with 20-30g carbs per day and do just fine on it.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

" I didn't know carrots had sugar in!!

Well, they don't contain white refined sugar but they are naturally sweet and contain carbs with fructose and glucose.

All fruit and vegetables have sugar in them.

Ah see you can contribute x

My dear old dad in war torn Britain, I'm talking 1942/3

The only sweet thing on offer to him as a boy was a carrot. And the kids on that council estate back then devoured them.

I was contributing. I bought the important aspect of the doughnut into play. A food that is fat and sugar.

I was agreeing with you

Was the glazed doughnut raised in the programme as a couple of people have posted about glazed doughnuts?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Anything processed is bad!

I'll stick to my 'everything in moderation' rule.

I think the word processed gets misused a lot. Sticking meat into fire processes it.

I use refined when I am talking about white flour and white sugar.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Equally too less sugar = bad, too less fat =bad. Causes animia and other chronical deseases. Nearly everything is processed nowadays so thats a different subject.

Sugar isn't essential.

I take it when you say sugar you mean cane sugar. Sugar is not restricted to cane sugar. Most food we eat contains sugar(s). Vegetables, fruits, pasta and bread

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Refined sugars I think, processed food. Too much fat=bad, too much sugar=bad, too much sugar and fat combined in processed food=bad. I didn't know carrots had sugar in!! "

Carrots contain sucrose, glucose, xylose and fructose, all of which are sugars.

Sugar is a group of compounds, to which the one we recognise as sugar (sucrose) belongs, along with many others.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Sugar isn't essential.

By the way, liver is just about the only meat that contains appreciable quantities of carbohydrates.

Sausages can too, but that's in what's added to the actual meat in them as bulking agents.

A little science knowledge can be a dangerous thing...

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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Was the glazed doughnut raised in the programme as a couple of people have posted about glazed doughnuts?"

Yes, it was the favourite doughnut on both sides of the atlantic - and the one most near the 'perfect' evil 50/50 fat/sugar ratio which apparently is the most addictive, and most easliy turns us into walruses!! Rats offered unlimited fat OR sugar did not overeat dramatically or gain much weight, but when offered a 50:50 mixture of both ie cheesecake, they pigged out and piled on the pounds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sure I read something about sugar being far worse for us than fat.

For years now the medical profession has suggested reducing cholesterol as a benefit in fighting cardiac disease. However heart disease is still on the rise despite the general fall amongst the population of their cholesterol.

So sure they said that therefore it is not necessarily fat that is the problem but more likely that sugar is the true villain, in relation to cardio-pulmonary problems.

just to be safe, do what millions of guys have done already and get married, you will never have to worry about fat or sugar then because your wife will make sure you eat loads of shit instead..... sorted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sure I read something about sugar being far worse for us than fat.

So sure they said that therefore it is not necessarily fat that is the problem but more likely that sugar is the true villain, in relation to cardio-pulmonary problems.

You sure about the "general fall in cholesterol amongst the popukation" ?!

I've heard the opposit in the medea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sugar's good for you!!!

You are very sweet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having horses, I use to buy half a ton of carrots every fortnight, I juiced about a pound most days, that makes half a pint of carrot juice, which I drank,

Since becoming type 2 diabetic, I found carrots contain a lot of sugar, so now I don't eat/ drink them, neither do the horses, as they help rot the teeth, changed to turnips for the horses..

A large Mc Donalds milk shake contains 35 teaspoons of sugar, plus fat ( not looked into how much fat)

A small individual Mr Kipling apple pie contains 7 teaspoons of sugar ( you wouldn't think it would fit !)

Its the hidden sugars and fats and salt that do most damage,

If fat wasn't flavoured with salt, sugar or MSG, we wouldn't eat it!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"And a glazed ring is the worst sort

Of donut that is

A 50/50 mix of refined sugar and highly processed fat overwhelms the pleasure centres of the brain and defeats our natural control mechanisms.

It would appear keeping food groups apart helps as does exercise to avoid muscle wastage.

There is a theory that eating sugar causes an insulin response, (which we know is true), and that response puts the body in the ideal state to store fat. So if you eat carbs and fat together, the fat goes directly to be stored.

That's the claim behind "food combining" diets, such as Slimming World which say don't eat carbs - especially simple carbs (like sugar) - and fat together.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The slimming world diet does work but you have to stick to it if you want to keep the weight off. I know this only too well. But we all need a certain amount of fat on our bodies

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Strangely they didn't cover that? I would say most things are ok to slightly nibble and use for sexual purposes!!

Phewwww i can put them back on me shopping list

I think Ryan and Obi should be dead thinking about it. Look at the amount of doughnuts they need just for measuring purposes.

Maybe not dead, but certainly blimp sized. I can't even write the word doughnut without gaining weight!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The slimming world diet does work but you have to stick to it if you want to keep the weight off. I know this only too well. But we all need a certain amount of fat on our bodies

Slimming world, is a business, it exists to make money, if their diets worked, they would soon be out of business.

Slimming world say you can eat as much as you want of certain foods, for example,

Fried eggs, chips and baked beans, ( the chips being par boiled, spray with low cal frying oil, and baked, so not deep fried.)

The reason we are fat is we eat more than we need,

there is only one way to lose and maintain weight, eat less and move more.

Every diet works initially, because you lose water, and any change of eating habits will bring about change to weight.

Weight and weight loss or gain, is not about food, its about control, food is the one thing we have control over in our life.

The majority of obese people including me, have emotional issues, until they are sorted weight will be our comfort blanket.

Upbringing is also another factor, but that also to some extent comes under emotion. My parents were poor, but we always had lots of food, mostly " comfort food"

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

*sigh*

I wondered how long it would take for "eat less and move more" to appear.

I really can't be bothered to do that all again so I'll just say no, it isn't always that easy.

Everyone is different. We have different builds, different metabolisms, different energetic requirements, different genetics...

Eat less and move more is a gargantuan over simplification.

Of course Slimming World works. Temporarily. As stated, you need to stick to it long term for it to keep working and most people don't.

Part of the "eat as much as you like" thing centres on the theory that when you avoid eating certain combinations, you are massively less likely to over-eat. Please refer to earlier comments about glazed doughnuts switching off one's eating self control and the rats that when fed just carbs or just fat didn't over-eat but when fed both together did.

The "eat less" bit is a hell of a lot easier when things like that are known and people can eat in a way to help themselves rather than setting themselves up to fail. "Eat less" is about so much more than willpower.

Anyone saying, "it's simple, just eat less and move more" hasn't a clue what they're on about.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all have about 95% Identical DNA, we have choices to make every day, what we eat is one of those choices.

Life is simple, but we like to make excuses and over complicate most things.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"We all have about 95% Identical DNA, we have choices to make every day, what we eat is one of those choices.

Life is simple, but we like to make excuses and over complicate most things.

In this case, that's rubbish.

There are at least ten genetic markers already known that relate to weight management. The more you have, the more likely you are to be overweight or obese and the harder you have to work not to be. That's a scientific fact.

Life is not simple. Human beings are not simple organisms. "Eat less and move more" on a very, very basic level may well be true but there's so much more to it than that.

And that it's acceptable to make people feel bad because they have a harder time managing their weight than others is only making matters worse.

Like you said, a lot of people have emotional issues which contribute. So yeah, tell them it's easy snd there's something wrong with them if they can't do it. That'll definitely help.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Any good nutritionist will tell you that ee don't need to add sugar to our diets. It occurs naturally in our food. Processed sugar which we put in our tea/ coffee is unnecessary and will only make you store more fat unless you burn it off by being active.

Certain fats are essential but as has been said moderation is key.

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over a year ago

"Any good nutritionist will tell you that ee don't need to add sugar to our diets. It occurs naturally in our food. Processed sugar which we put in our tea/ coffee is unnecessary and will only make you store more fat unless you burn it off by being active.

Certain fats are essential but as has been said moderation is key. "

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over a year ago

"We all have about 95% Identical DNA, we have choices to make every day, what we eat is one of those choices.

Life is simple, but we like to make excuses and over complicate most things.

In this case, that's rubbish.

Life is not simple. Human beings are not simple organisms. "Eat less and move more" on a very, very basic level may well be true but there's so much more to it than that.

And that it's acceptable to make people feel bad because they have a harder time managing their weight than others is only making matters worse.

Like you said, a lot of people have emotional issues which contribute. So yeah, tell them it's easy snd there's something wrong with them if they can't do it. That'll definitely help.

I have never and would never say it is easy. And I have never said there is anything wrong with anybody.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

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"We all have about 95% Identical DNA, we have choices to make every day, what we eat is one of those choices.

Life is simple, but we like to make excuses and over complicate most things.

In this case, that's rubbish.

Life is not simple. Human beings are not simple organisms. "Eat less and move more" on a very, very basic level may well be true but there's so much more to it than that.

And that it's acceptable to make people feel bad because they have a harder time managing their weight than others is only making matters worse.

Like you said, a lot of people have emotional issues which contribute. So yeah, tell them it's easy snd there's something wrong with them if they can't do it. That'll definitely help.

I have never and would never say it is easy. And I have never said there is anything wrong with anybody.

Eat less and move more is a dismissive over simplification.

If people do not know, for example, that certain combinations of food are likely to make them over-eat then they are probably doomed to fail on the eat less part.

That's not over-complicating anything, it's how things are.

Certain foods and combinations of foods are more likely than others to be addictive, which is certainly going to impact on your claim that we can choose what we eat.

At a basic level a drug addict can not take drugs. Addressing the issue by telling them "don't do drugs" without dealing with why that might be difficult for them is not going to work.

Telling fat people "eat less and move more" without educating them about how they are likely to be able to do that successfully is similarly likely to fail.

Weight management is not just about willpower and personal choice. To suggest it is is unfair to those who struggle.

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over a year ago

"We all have about 95% Identical DNA, we have choices to make every day, what we eat is one of those choices.

Life is simple, but we like to make excuses and over complicate most things.

In this case, that's rubbish.

Life is not simple. Human beings are not simple organisms. "Eat less and move more" on a very, very basic level may well be true but there's so much more to it than that.

And that it's acceptable to make people feel bad because they have a harder time managing their weight than others is only making matters worse.

Like you said, a lot of people have emotional issues which contribute. So yeah, tell them it's easy snd there's something wrong with them if they can't do it. That'll definitely help.

I have never and would never say it is easy. And I have never said there is anything wrong with anybody.

Eat less and move more is a dismissive over simplification.

If people do not know, for example, that certain combinations of food are likely to make them over-eat then they are probably doomed to fail on the eat less part.

That's not over-complicating anything, it's how things are.

Certain foods and combinations of foods are more likely than others to be addictive, which is certainly going to impact on your claim that we can choose what we eat.

At a basic level a drug addict can not take drugs. Addressing the issue by telling them "don't do drugs" without dealing with why that might be difficult for them is not going to work.

Telling fat people "eat less and move more" without educating them about how they are likely to be able to do that successfully is similarly likely to fail.

Weight management is not just about willpower and personal choice. To suggest it is is unfair to those who struggle."

Very well said.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Was the glazed doughnut raised in the programme as a couple of people have posted about glazed doughnuts?

Wow! But it does make sense. I raised the doughnut earlier in a lighthearted way.

I don't think I could eat unlimited doughnuts - one is usually fine - but I could possibly have a doughnut earlier in the day and then have cheesecake later. I'm doomed to be a walrus.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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Was the glazed doughnut raised in the programme as a couple of people have posted about glazed doughnuts?

Wow! But it does make sense. I raised the doughnut earlier in a lighthearted way.

I don't think I could eat unlimited doughnuts - one is usually fine - but I could possibly have a doughnut earlier in the day and then have cheesecake later. I'm doomed to be a walrus."

Oh I could eat a pile of them! But I am of the type that cannot really do carbs, if I avoid them like the plague I'm fine, if I don't - coo coo ca choo!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sugar promotes fat stores. fat clogs ur arteries

get plenty of exercise, mix in some healthy eating and you can enjoy both in moderation

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

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Some of us can't do moderation when it comes to carbs. I can't have just a little. It's like alcoholics can't stop at one drink.

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over a year ago

"Some of us can't do moderation when it comes to carbs. I can't have just a little. It's like alcoholics can't stop at one drink."

always an excuse eh!

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over a year ago

"If you consume either in high amounts they can be equally bad for you."

And if you fail to consume either in the right amounts, you will die

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over a year ago

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"Some of us can't do moderation when it comes to carbs. I can't have just a little. It's like alcoholics can't stop at one drink.

always an excuse eh!

No, it just means I have to cut out refined sugar completely and cut carbs down to a minimum.

It's a genuine addiction just like any other. I mean it when I say I can't do moderation. I literally can't, exactly like an alcoholic can't have one drink.

I can go cold turkey and go without sugar and with minimal carbs for months but one piece of cake and it all goes pear-shaped. Well, apple-shaped in my case, actually.

In fact, to lose weight I do need to cut out sugar and cut carbs right back. Nothing else works for me.

The first few weeks of the cold turkey are a bitch though and I've yet to last more than 4 months without falling off the wagon.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

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"If you consume either in high amounts they can be equally bad for you.

And if you fail to consume either in the right amounts, you will die

Not true. It's absolutely possible to live, and be healthy, on minimal amounts of carbs, long term. The body has other metabolic pathways to produce energy.

Fats are essential though.

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over a year ago

talking simple carbs here i assume. dont see the issue with cutting simple carbs but you will need complex ones for good health

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

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"talking simple carbs here i assume. dont see the issue with cutting simple carbs but you will need complex ones for good health"

It is possible to live, and be healthy, long term on 30g of carbs per day. Less in some cases.

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over a year ago

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Oh, and I'm also sensitive to complex carbs. Not as badly as with simple carbs but they can still kick of cravings and bingeing on far too much carb rich food. Pasta and potatoes are especially bad, rice not quite so much.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

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Kick off* cravings

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over a year ago

Ive swopped processed white bread for soda bread and rye bread and felt much better, no bloatig etc and no craving for more bread.

Tho i prefer the rye bread well toasted and then its nor crumbly and takes longer to eat

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Some very interesting points in this thread. And I'm hoping some myths expelled too.

There is clearly not a simple solution. Why the heck we have been trying to peddle the wrong message for all these years is beyond me. Then again, the food industry has huge influence over government policy.

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over a year ago

Telling fat people "eat less and move more" without educating them about how they are likely to be able to do that successfully is similarly likely to fail.

Do you not think that, when it comes to having to "tell fat people", that there has already been a significant failure?

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over a year ago

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Telling fat people "eat less and move more" without educating them about how they are likely to be able to do that successfully is similarly likely to fail.

Do you not think that, when it comes to having to "tell fat people", that there has already been a significant failure?

Could you expand on who you think has failed and how please? Your post is unclear.

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over a year ago

Neither, it's a combination of the two which is bad for you..

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