FabSwingers.com forum: is winning important??

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The RFU has said that there is too much emphasis on winning at junior level and wants clubs and schools to swap players if games become too one sided and also wants to ban trophies in tournaments for under 11s. The FA is also moving to making football more focused on development than winning.

Should kids learn to win and lose or should the games they play be controlled to ensure everyone has a jolly good time?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like we have the perfect England football team in the making

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At under 11 I think there is a degree of sense in that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sounds like we have the perfect England football team in the making

Can just imagine losing at half time in Brazil to Uruguay and we get to swap Suarez for Defoe!

But with representative sport at young ages being dominated by those with physical advanatges rather than those who might have better skills, and with the lack of any real international success, particularly in football for decades, is it time for a new approach?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I coach rugby , we try to get them just to enjoy it , we say winning is a bonus

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Children should learn that they can't win all the time. Not just football in everything, if they don't learn to except disappointment how will they cope later in life. Education is also preparing them for the real world

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By *r Mahogany70Man
over a year ago

Leicester

If you want to produce mediocre athletes in whatever sport to represent our nation then yes, it should be emphasised from an early age that it's the taking part and enjoyment that matters and winning isn't really that important.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

99% of kids that participate in any sport will be doing so as a recreation rather than with any expectation of achieving elite levels. Should there be a structure to encourage everyone with a focus on winning for those who have the higher ability, with a development structure for those who want to play for fun?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its only manners to cum last

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Children should learn that they can't win all the time. Not just football in everything, if they don't learn to except disappointment how will they cope later in life. Education is also preparing them for the real world

I started playing at 6.

Even then it was competitive and at school was the same. It worked as well for those that lost as well as those that won. There were things I was good at and certain things I sucked at, both in terms of sports and specific subjects. I learnt which was which and it directed me to focus on achievables rather than pipe dreams.

The sheer fact is if we tell kids at an early age that they're all equal and that they will be as fairly and equally as each other in all aspects of life - then when disappointment happens or they fail at a task it can make them feel they were cheated - rather than recognising that in fact it's simply the way things are in life.

Losing teaches as valuable a lesson as winning. Failure is a lesson that needs to be learnt as much as success.

And sport is often a simple way of teaching this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Children need to learn young that you can win and lose - more importantly to be gracious when doing both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My daughter's primary school is very successful at sports, down to the enthusiasm of the teachers and a good system.

Though it can be a bit embarrassing to sweep most of the trophies it also teaches them humility in success.

They're a good bunch, well balanced and likeable

It's how they're taught to play the game, and play well

And that is down to the coaches/ teachers and supportive parents.

Changing the system won't work and will only lead to mediocrity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My daughter's primary school is very successful at sports, down to the enthusiasm of the teachers and a good system.

Though it can be a bit embarrassing to sweep most of the trophies it also teaches them humility in success.

They're a good bunch, well balanced and likeable

It's how they're taught to play the game, and play well

And that is down to the coaches/ teachers and supportive parents.

Changing the system won't work and will only lead to mediocrity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they did this whole, everyones a winner crap at my kids school sports day two years ago. so my little one walked up to her teacher and asked for her medal before the race started.

The teacher told her she would have to run to get it, to which she replied, whats the point in doing it if no one wins and we all get the medal anyway.

I liked her logic

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

All this "taking part is more important than winning" crap is just another example of political correctness gone mad in this country. A lot of this stuff comes from organisations like the bbc and i'm sick of it.

When i played football as a youngster, i enjoyed taking part, but at the same time i took part because i enjoyed the feeling that winning gave me. Of course you can't win all the time and when you experience defeat you look at yourself and train harder, try to improve your weaknesses it is all about the cycle of winning and losing. I wish all these politically correct loonies would keep crack pot ideas like this to themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't matter if you win or lose it's how you play the game.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Play to win, or don't bother turning up, I am so sick of this "even if you lose you will still get a prize" shit they spout in schools nowadays....

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Play to win, or don't bother turning up, I am so sick of this "even if you lose you will still get a prize" shit they spout in schools nowadays...."

^ this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The RFU has said that there is too much emphasis on winning at junior level and wants clubs and schools to swap players if games become too one sided and also wants to ban trophies in tournaments for under 11s. The FA is also moving to making football more focused on development than winning.

Should kids learn to win and lose or should the games they play be controlled to ensure everyone has a jolly good time?"

Wining is the primary reason for competitive sport the goal is to win without it and the need to achieve it people don't try and you might as well not bother.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Play to win, or don't bother turning up, I am so sick of this "even if you lose you will still get a prize" shit they spout in schools nowadays...."

Yes play to win otherwise what's the point. But it's also important to play fair.

Learning to lose is as important as learning to win.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should kids learn to win and lose or should the games they play be controlled to ensure everyone has a jolly good time?"

games help prepare you for life, life isn't always a jolly good time, winning is so very important, or how would we know how to lose.

Everyone should aim to be the best, the best they can be, losers are never going to be happy people.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Play to win, or don't bother turning up, I am so sick of this "even if you lose you will still get a prize" shit they spout in schools nowadays....

Yes play to win otherwise what's the point. But it's also important to play fair.

Learning to lose is as important as learning to win. "
I am a sore loser, I only play to win, but I get your point!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should kids learn to win and lose or should the games they play be controlled to ensure everyone has a jolly good time?

games help prepare you for life, life isn't always a jolly good time, winning is so very important, or how would we know how to lose.

Everyone should aim to be the best, the best they can be, losers are never going to be happy people."

They are not they are pretty pissed off when they post on here. Wining isn't all but its important and you learn from a loss how to not do it again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think winning at all costs at a young age, at the expense of learning how to play the game technically and tactically, should be the goal.

First learn the game,

Then learn to compete,

Then learn to win.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To put it bluntly but truthfully...

Who ever made up the saying "the taking part the counts"

Obviously was shit at sport and never won..Hence the saying.

Everything is always about winning... Understandable you can't win all the time but who really wants to lose?

I know for a fact I don't.

Just my outlook on things, some may agree some may not, that is what makes us all unique

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Play to win, or don't bother turning up, I am so sick of this "even if you lose you will still get a prize" shit they spout in schools nowadays....

Yes play to win otherwise what's the point. But it's also important to play fair.

Learning to lose is as important as learning to win. "

How can you learn to lose if you eliminate winning?

Winning and losing are like 2 sides of the same coin, Love and hate, Ying and Yang, Good and evil, you can't have one without the other.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

As a coach I do find myself torn. I have kids for whom winning is everything, whilst I also have kids for whom just taking part is an achievement. I set out at the start of the season how I would run the team, making sure everyone understood that each child would get their chance. So far we have won a few, and lost a few, but each week I have 20 kids of all abilities turning up to training and games and leaving with smiles on their faces. Of course when they win they are happier, but if they lose but have played well they still feel ok. I'm sure I get a lot wrong, but I hope I am making each boy play a bit better and also learn a bit about life in the process.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a coach I do find myself torn. I have kids for whom winning is everything, whilst I also have kids for whom just taking part is an achievement. I set out at the start of the season how I would run the team, making sure everyone understood that each child would get their chance. So far we have won a few, and lost a few, but each week I have 20 kids of all abilities turning up to training and games and leaving with smiles on their faces. Of course when they win they are happier, but if they lose but have played well they still feel ok. I'm sure I get a lot wrong, but I hope I am making each boy play a bit better and also learn a bit about life in the process."

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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago

moved to cuckold land

They have had this system in scotland for many yesrs both in rugby & football

Need we say any more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They have had this system in scotland for many yesrs both in rugby & football

Need we say any more"

Exactly, and look at your football team

Sorry had to be said.

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