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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

According to our government us workers are better of this financial year than last !

Anybody in this category ?

I'll start .....

I'm not !

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I started something similar with the Splash the Cash thread.

It hasn't trickled down to what I can charge clients.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not yet, but thats because its always slow on the agencies in january for drivers.

my guaranteed hours contract kicks back in the end of next week so i will be as well off as i was last year, and the year before, in fact, i have been better off year on year since labour were ousted.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

no pay rise for either of us this year.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"not yet, but thats because its always slow on the agencies in january for drivers.

my guaranteed hours contract kicks back in the end of next week so i will be as well off as i was last year, and the year before, in fact, i have been better off year on year since labour were ousted.

"

I was earning 6 x more in 2010 and my earnings have gone down year on year.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I don't think they were talking about pay rises bit more about the changes to income tax etc

I'm not better off but that's because I got made redundant and have taken a job for less than I was earning last year.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"not yet, but thats because its always slow on the agencies in january for drivers.

my guaranteed hours contract kicks back in the end of next week so i will be as well off as i was last year, and the year before, in fact, i have been better off year on year since labour were ousted.

"
im the opposite got bugger all work from xmas eve untill end of Feb ended up signing on now got permanent work but only 16k a year for 7.5t adr better than noting but know where near the 34k i was getting in 2009

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"According to our government us workers are better of this financial year than last !

Anybody in this category ?

I'll start .....

I'm not ! "

Not really but not a lot worse off I guess.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I am

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not yet it hasn't!

Hoping to see a difference come next month when our pay rise comes into play, but I very much doubt it will make much difference as everything is more expensive anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope worse off but happier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes but I've changed my Job twice in order to get the improvement

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Paul Johnson, director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the government had used "a perfectly sensible set of numbers" to calculate take-home pay for the 2012-2013 period.

But he pointed out that more up-to-date Office for National Statistics data - the average weekly earnings index - showed wages rose "quite a lot less quickly than inflation in the most recent months"."

Factor in increased bills and is anyone better off overall?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope but starting a new job on Monday so will hopefully get better

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I'm better off, but that is due to a temporary change in my shift pattern. I've also got all Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays off till the end of Feb

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"not yet, but thats because its always slow on the agencies in january for drivers.

my guaranteed hours contract kicks back in the end of next week so i will be as well off as i was last year, and the year before, in fact, i have been better off year on year since labour were ousted.

I was earning 6 x more in 2010 and my earnings have gone down year on year.

"

i was earning the same in 2001 as i am now, and then i was pushing a button in a factory, not running the gauntlet of bad drivers, bad attitudes, fines, losing my licence, being in charge of hundreds of thousands of pounds of equipment, and paying thousands of pounds for the privilege of being able to work.

factory work is minimum wage now, so its a non starter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh and i havent seen a payrise in a job more than twice since 1997 when i started working.

any pay rises have come when moving jobs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm much worse off than i was two years ago, the Analysts can fiddle with the numbers as much as they like but if day to day living expenses rise continuously and my wage doesnt then i have less money..Its not Rocket science

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Much is being made about a reversal in off shoring off jobs.

Force wages down, as has happened, and its the inevitable consequence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"According to our government us workers are better of this financial year than last !

Anybody in this category ?

I'll start .....

I'm not ! "

We're not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Working class.....so i`ve been told are the new poor.

I (Mrs) was earning a lot more a few years ago and paying less in bills and food.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

I doubled my wage overnight in 2011

That's irrelevant

I was just asking of anybody was better off this year than last as our government are saying

Every person I've spoken to today has categorically said no

I had a 1 % pay rise

Yet gas and electric have gone up more than 10 %

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think the time has come for camormoron to take a drugs test as he is clearly on some kind of medication

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

I am fortunate to say yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I luckily am having just had an 8k pay increase, that said I have worked bloody hard for it and it is well overdue! !!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I doubled my wage overnight in 2011

That's irrelevant

I was just asking of anybody was better off this year than last as our government are saying

Every person I've spoken to today has categorically said no

I had a 1 % pay rise

Yet gas and electric have gone up more than 10 % "

But weren't they talking just pay packets, not expenditure etc?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I doubled my wage overnight in 2011

That's irrelevant

I was just asking of anybody was better off this year than last as our government are saying

Every person I've spoken to today has categorically said no

I had a 1 % pay rise

Yet gas and electric have gone up more than 10 %

But weren't they talking just pay packets, not expenditure etc?"

Probably, but that's just a cheats way of fiddling the figures.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Absolutely but of you are going to attack someone for a statement they make then you need to keep your argument relevant to that statement surely? Not introduce variables that weren't taken into account?

So.....has anyone's TAKE HOME pay increased this year?

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


"Absolutely but of you are going to attack someone for a statement they make then you need to keep your argument relevant to that statement surely? Not introduce variables that weren't taken into account?

So.....has anyone's TAKE HOME pay increased this year?"

Ok ok . I appreciate what your saying

Yes I got a 1% pay rise . But we lost a contract which meant a reduction of 9 hours a week

So as I said I'm still worse off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hourly rate, no change.

amount of hours probably similar if not the same, i just do a lot of work for a company that offers a fuel bonus, so thats £20 a week better off

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Absolutely but of you are going to attack someone for a statement they make then you need to keep your argument relevant to that statement surely? Not introduce variables that weren't taken into account?

So.....has anyone's TAKE HOME pay increased this year?"

The OP said "According to our government us workers are better of this financial year than last !"

Better off is income - expenditure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"According to our government us workers are better of this financial year than last !

Anybody in this category ?

I'll start .....

I'm not ! "

I'm worse off this year

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Absolutely but of you are going to attack someone for a statement they make then you need to keep your argument relevant to that statement surely? Not introduce variables that weren't taken into account?

So.....has anyone's TAKE HOME pay increased this year?

The OP said "According to our government us workers are better of this financial year than last !"

Better off is income - expenditure. "

But that actual story in the news relates to take home pay

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

And as the OP has agreed and answered my question I think my argument is valid

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Absolutely but of you are going to attack someone for a statement they make then you need to keep your argument relevant to that statement surely? Not introduce variables that weren't taken into account?

So.....has anyone's TAKE HOME pay increased this year?

The OP said "According to our government us workers are better of this financial year than last !"

Better off is income - expenditure.

But that actual story in the news relates to take home pay"

It does indeed, only to take home pay, and that's why I pointed out it's a cheat.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Absolutely but of you are going to attack someone for a statement they make then you need to keep your argument relevant to that statement surely? Not introduce variables that weren't taken into account?

So.....has anyone's TAKE HOME pay increased this year?

The OP said "According to our government us workers are better of this financial year than last !"

Better off is income - expenditure.

But that actual story in the news relates to take home pay

It does indeed, only to take home pay, and that's why I pointed out it's a cheat."

And I agreed

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

Well when this thread is fu or it comes to a grind

Let's count up the yes and no's

Get our own fab poll stats

Then let's do another poll

Who earns more than and who earns less than the national average wage

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

All the lefties may not like this but pay has flatlined for the average worker in this country because of mass immigration. We were told only 13,000 Poles would come here by Labour and in fact over half a million came. All companies are out to make as much profit as they can, so why pay a british person more when you can get an eastern european to do the same job for the minimum wage?

I work in the building trade and my pay has gone down year on year for at least the last 5 years. Problem is british builders keep being undercut by Polish builders, and now we have Romanians and Bulgarians to contend with aswel.

Pay has flatlined, or even gone down in a lot of cases but the cost of living keeps on rising, food, petrol, gas and electric bills, so i don't know what planet Cameron is on?

Our british haulage firms are also being driven out of business as cost of fuel is much lower in mainland europe.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"All the lefties may not like this but pay has flatlined for the average worker in this country because of mass immigration. We were told only 13,000 Poles would come here by Labour and in fact over half a million came. All companies are out to make as much profit as they can, so why pay a british person more when you can get an eastern european to do the same job for the minimum wage?

I work in the building trade and my pay has gone down year on year for at least the last 5 years. Problem is british builders keep being undercut by Polish builders, and now we have Romanians and Bulgarians to contend with aswel.

Pay has flatlined, or even gone down in a lot of cases but the cost of living keeps on rising, food, petrol, gas and electric bills, so i don't know what planet Cameron is on?

Our british haulage firms are also being driven out of business as cost of fuel is much lower in mainland europe.

"

So why don't the Tories just throw these immigrant workers out?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Our british haulage firms are also being driven out of business as cost of fuel is much lower in mainland europe.our british haulage firms are being put out of buisness by a certain large well know company doing back loads £1 totaly undercutting smaller hauliers

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"All the lefties may not like this but pay has flatlined for the average worker in this country because of mass immigration. We were told only 13,000 Poles would come here by Labour and in fact over half a million came. All companies are out to make as much profit as they can, so why pay a british person more when you can get an eastern european to do the same job for the minimum wage?

I work in the building trade and my pay has gone down year on year for at least the last 5 years. Problem is british builders keep being undercut by Polish builders, and now we have Romanians and Bulgarians to contend with aswel.

Pay has flatlined, or even gone down in a lot of cases but the cost of living keeps on rising, food, petrol, gas and electric bills, so i don't know what planet Cameron is on?

Our british haulage firms are also being driven out of business as cost of fuel is much lower in mainland europe.

So why don't the Tories just throw these immigrant workers out?"

Would be illegal under EU law. Better approach would have been for Labour not to let them come here in the first place. When we joined the EU we agree to a free trade agreement, we did not agree to free movement of people within europe.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"not yet, but thats because its always slow on the agencies in january for drivers.

my guaranteed hours contract kicks back in the end of next week so i will be as well off as i was last year, and the year before, in fact, i have been better off year on year since labour were ousted.

"

So your hours are the same guaranteed hours, and you've had pay increases that have kept pace with inflation? Lucky, as I think you're probably in the minority! The economy was in a better situation when labour left government than for how the Cons have 'managed' it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have never worked for anyone else,

The more work /hours I do the more money I earn.

I usually work 80 hours a week, and that nearly pays my bills and buys food.

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

what's a wage??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not me. Even though I got a wage rise it hasnt covered the rise in gas/electric and other costs

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I don't know anyone who is better off, over the current government's run.

Savings are losing money, compared to inflation. Many houses have lost money. Income is down or static, which means an effective drop in income, taking inflation into account.

And prices have risen astronomically. Tax code changes have had minimal effect, and I was not in the 50% tax band that had a kind cut from the government, for earners over £150,000.

If they keep repeating the mantra that we are better off, it will just reinforce the message that they think we are stupid. Only mugs would believe it is true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm no better off that's for sure

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

No rise since 2009 redundant end 2011 18k pay cut to stay in work.

Keeping going by shaving back on stuff like sky and slashed food bill by making/baking it all.

Prospect for rise minimal , firms are not signing new contracts or looking for reductions on renewal even when supply costs are rising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not had a pay rise since 2008, in fact made redundant twice in the past 5 years.

Annoys me that civil servants get a cost of living rise every year so council tax has to rise .... I've never had a cost of living rise since I started work in 1983.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just been made redundant and not entitled to any pay as I have been employed with them for less than 2 years I have never been out of work and I am filled with all sorts of emotions. On the plus side the company I work for hit record performance last year and cobtinues to rise

Sarah

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By *exycleanerWoman
over a year ago

pontefract

well looking at some of your posts

me been a lowly cleaner means i get a pay rise cos when min wage goes up i get a rise .i have 3 jobs to make ends meet 1 pays min wage 1, 4p above it and the other 59p above it and it case any of you not know what min wage is its 6.31 hr

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"All the lefties may not like this but pay has flatlined for the average worker in this country because of mass immigration. We were told only 13,000 Poles would come here by Labour and in fact over half a million came. All companies are out to make as much profit as they can, so why pay a british person more when you can get an eastern european to do the same job for the minimum wage?

I work in the building trade and my pay has gone down year on year for at least the last 5 years. Problem is british builders keep being undercut by Polish builders, and now we have Romanians and Bulgarians to contend with aswel.

Pay has flatlined, or even gone down in a lot of cases but the cost of living keeps on rising, food, petrol, gas and electric bills, so i don't know what planet Cameron is on?

Our british haulage firms are also being driven out of business as cost of fuel is much lower in mainland europe.

So why don't the Tories just throw these immigrant workers out?

Would be illegal under EU law. Better approach would have been for Labour not to let them come here in the first place. When we joined the EU we agree to a free trade agreement, we did not agree to free movement of people within europe."

Exactly. It would have been illegal under EU law, just as not allowing them to come in the first place would have been against EU law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am doing fine!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"All the lefties may not like this but pay has flatlined for the average worker in this country because of mass immigration. We were told only 13,000 Poles would come here by Labour and in fact over half a million came. All companies are out to make as much profit as they can, so why pay a british person more when you can get an eastern european to do the same job for the minimum wage?

I work in the building trade and my pay has gone down year on year for at least the last 5 years. Problem is british builders keep being undercut by Polish builders, and now we have Romanians and Bulgarians to contend with aswel.

Pay has flatlined, or even gone down in a lot of cases but the cost of living keeps on rising, food, petrol, gas and electric bills, so i don't know what planet Cameron is on?

Our british haulage firms are also being driven out of business as cost of fuel is much lower in mainland europe.

So why don't the Tories just throw these immigrant workers out?

Would be illegal under EU law. Better approach would have been for Labour not to let them come here in the first place. When we joined the EU we agree to a free trade agreement, we did not agree to free movement of people within europe.

Exactly. It would have been illegal under EU law, just as not allowing them to come in the first place would have been against EU law."

My point is that when we joined the EU we did agreed to a free trade deal within europe. We DID NOT agree to free movement of people within europe. On those grounds Labour could have refused to let them come and say we never agreed to this, so it would have needed to be negotiated. The EU are bang out of order by FORCING us to have open borders when the british people have NEVER been asked about this in a democratic process or any kind of election? I think you'll find those fat cat eurocrats sitting in Brussels are the real ones in the wrong here.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Just using BLOCK CAPITALS to make a point doesn't make it so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No worse off but no pay rise. I seem to have tightened my belt somewhat due to not having as much disposal income

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2010 I was a Director in a large engineering company.

Company was bought out and I faced redundancy.

Lost my job, my family and must recently my home.

Cameron and his cohorts live in a different planet from the rest of us

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Just using BLOCK CAPITALS to make a point doesn't make it so."

Oh i think you'll find IT DOES, LOL.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Nope worse off but happier "

This. I'd rather be happy with no money than miserable with a lot...and it can happen!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

real wages... in theory yes... as a civil servant i got 1% rise

wages against inflation.... no... whens inflation has been running at 3%

and thats why you can skew statistics to fit your arguement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a lot better of this year. In fact my take home pay has increased year on year for ten years or so.

Working in London at the job I do I suppose I'm lucky. We've had royal weddings, Olympics and other events that have put London in the spotlight which means more visitors. The week pound against the dollar and euro also greatly helped. We've have loads mots visitors from the states and Europe which is all good.

Also the mortgage rate being so low also means my out goings have gone down considerably. And in the last two years I have had tax rebates.

Ju has had a pay rise every year for the last seven years, not much but it all counts.

So in answer to the OP, yes we are a lot better off than this time last year. But we count ourselves incredibly lucky to be so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

# weak pound #

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"not yet, but thats because its always slow on the agencies in january for drivers.

my guaranteed hours contract kicks back in the end of next week so i will be as well off as i was last year, and the year before, in fact, i have been better off year on year since labour were ousted.

"

So your not the only agency driver whats quiet im hgv 1 iv been offered a full time job driving a transit van for the minimum wage but i do get van for own use bonus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"real wages... in theory yes... as a civil servant i got 1% rise

wages against inflation.... no... whens inflation has been running at 3%

and thats why you can skew statistics to fit your arguement"

In all probability, the increase in tax allowances was worth more than the "missing" 2%.

What's that about skewing data to fit your argument?

On the plus side, it is a refreshing first to hear a public sector worker acknowledge that a 1% rise IS a rise in salary. Mates who i know insist, oh no, it's not a wage rise it's an indexing increase.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"According to our government us workers are better of this financial year than last !

Anybody in this category ?

I'll start .....

I'm not ! "

Only because I have been offered Saturday morning overtime for some time now. On the whole I (Rick) am definitely not better off. I was at my most comfortable around 25 years ago. I was actually earning 75% of my current income.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All the lefties may not like this but pay has flatlined for the average worker in this country because of mass immigration. We were told only 13,000 Poles would come here by Labour and in fact over half a million came. All companies are out to make as much profit as they can, so why pay a british person more when you can get an eastern european to do the same job for the minimum wage?

I work in the building trade and my pay has gone down year on year for at least the last 5 years. Problem is british builders keep being undercut by Polish builders, and now we have Romanians and Bulgarians to contend with aswel.

Pay has flatlined, or even gone down in a lot of cases but the cost of living keeps on rising, food, petrol, gas and electric bills, so i don't know what planet Cameron is on?

Our british haulage firms are also being driven out of business as cost of fuel is much lower in mainland europe.

"

Well, the PM's job is one of the few that is unlikely to be undercut by cheap foreign labour. For now !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"real wages... in theory yes... as a civil servant i got 1% rise

wages against inflation.... no... whens inflation has been running at 3%

and thats why you can skew statistics to fit your arguement"

Also a civil servant with 1% pay rise and with the rise in tax allowance etc it has just about covered the pension increase we have had but I am worse off as my gas and electric have rose by about 10% and food has gone up by quite a but also.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"All the lefties may not like this but pay has flatlined for the average worker in this country because of mass immigration. We were told only 13,000 Poles would come here by Labour and in fact over half a million came. All companies are out to make as much profit as they can, so why pay a british person more when you can get an eastern european to do the same job for the minimum wage?

I work in the building trade and my pay has gone down year on year for at least the last 5 years. Problem is british builders keep being undercut by Polish builders, and now we have Romanians and Bulgarians to contend with aswel.

Pay has flatlined, or even gone down in a lot of cases but the cost of living keeps on rising, food, petrol, gas and electric bills, so i don't know what planet Cameron is on?

Our british haulage firms are also being driven out of business as cost of fuel is much lower in mainland europe.

"

so the 08 global financial collapse had nothing to do with where we are now..?

wages have always been 'driven down' where possible by companies in order to maximise profit, it's called the free market..

and has been around for rather longer than when we joined the EU, its why businesses are moved to cut costs..

labour did fuck up on their numbers tbh..

do you think that as well as having more workers in your sector the fact that the recession has also cut back on building etc is also a factor..?

we are as one with cameron..

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

David Cameron

Now there is one guy who is like to spend half hour with

He so far removed from the real world it's untrue

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

My take home pay is up but only roughly inline with inflation. My total reward package is significantly down due to the company closing my defined benifit pension scheme and replacing it with a much less valuable defined contribution scheme to which they are making smaller contributions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This english goverment i focked im lucky i have a decent job with a income but id love to see those do good mp's live on the minimum wage for 12 month with no benefits and no expenses and id say to all the people what come to england you should have enough money to support yourselves for 1 year and cant work that would give the english people what want to work a chance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only people who would be better off with this government are the people with money, the conservatives always look after their own.

Blaming labour for the influx of foreign nationals is justified but the conservative government is still letting them in. Yes the eu sets the national minimum wage but Britain could up it they don't.

People who are sick are being forced back to work by being told they are fit for work by a civil servant when doctors are saying they are not. Yes they might be fit for work of some kind but unless they are given a job then all that is happening is swelling the dole ques.

It is time the trade unions started to do their jobs and and started to put the government back on the right track again. The working man/women should not be the new poor and the unemployed should not be the destitute.

Get these idiots out if power before we all end up living on the streets in cardboard boxes

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

Yes.

But only cos I was unemployed last year.

Funny how I was better off being a student!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The only people who would be better off with this government are the people with money, the conservatives always look after their own.

Blaming labour for the influx of foreign nationals is justified but the conservative government is still letting them in. Yes the eu sets the national minimum wage but Britain could up it they don't.

People who are sick are being forced back to work by being told they are fit for work by a civil servant when doctors are saying they are not. Yes they might be fit for work of some kind but unless they are given a job then all that is happening is swelling the dole ques.

It is time the trade unions started to do their jobs and and started to put the government back on the right track again. The working man/women should not be the new poor and the unemployed should not be the destitute.

Get these idiots out if power before we all end up living on the streets in cardboard boxes"

With the economy on the up, have you looked to see if there are any vacancies for stand up comedy? You have the gift.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The only people who would be better off with this government are the people with money, the conservatives always look after their own.

Blaming labour for the influx of foreign nationals is justified but the conservative government is still letting them in. Yes the eu sets the national minimum wage but Britain could up it they don't.

People who are sick are being forced back to work by being told they are fit for work by a civil servant when doctors are saying they are not. Yes they might be fit for work of some kind but unless they are given a job then all that is happening is swelling the dole ques.

It is time the trade unions started to do their jobs and and started to put the government back on the right track again. The working man/women should not be the new poor and the unemployed should not be the destitute.

Get these idiots out if power before we all end up living on the streets in cardboard boxes

With the economy on the up, have you looked to see if there are any vacancies for stand up comedy? You have the gift. "

I tell you what I will send my two kids for you to look after. We have had to get food from charities and hand outs from my dad a pensioner to survive. I paid a lot into the system and now we are barely living. We pay for food and gas and electric and that is my money gone. I had to ask all our relatives for clothes for the kids this year for Christmas and any money we got went to buy new beds for my kids as there's were falling apart. So don't make fun of anyone in this situation you may well find yourself in it one day.

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