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"On a non bi night, I probably would use a private room for no other reason,than it would spare me the drama of others huffing and puffing. " | |||
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"It certainly wouldn't bother me if I saw it. It's a shame that bi-men feel its something they have to keep behind closed doors (in clubs)." | |||
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"It certainly wouldn't bother me if I saw it. It's a shame that bi-men feel its something they have to keep behind closed doors (in clubs)." | |||
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"We'd only do this on a bi night. Way too many homophobes out there and I'd like mrnotts to leave a club with his nose in the same place it was, when he went in. " really think you hit it on the head there, as a transwoman I tend to avoid open play at clubs having experienced lots of negativity from fellow clubbers. So much that I stopped going to clubs | |||
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"I have really good friends who are bi and I'd like to think that doesn't make me a homophobe but if I dare to be honest I wouldn't want to be there if I knew I wd witness a bi action in front of me. Just being honest " Yes I can understand that. It's not everyone's cuppa tea. Actually we just like going on bi nights. At least then everyone knows what the crack is , so hopefully no one upset etc. We went to an organised party last year and stood around a bar with some guys ranting about how disgusting bi guys are. They didn't know mrnotts was. It was quite uncomfortable.... | |||
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"I have really good friends who are bi and I'd like to think that doesn't make me a homophobe but if I dare to be honest I wouldn't want to be there if I knew I wd witness a bi action in front of me. Just being honest " It's not everyone's cup of tea, but then I'm not into seeing women play together but would simply walk away if I saw it. So why can't it be the same? Surely if you're going to a swingers club you should be prepared for the variety that may be there; not only bi but also kink and fetish. | |||
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"I mean by bi action man in man " But bi-women are perfectly acceptable? Personally I fail to see a difference. What's good for the goose is good for the gander as they say and this is why there are so many bi-guys with straight profiles. | |||
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"Id expect it for a bi night but would prefer if it was on that night only ( that's why they have those nights) but on a normal night no thank you. " So you wouldn't be happy with any bi play in open rooms if it's not bi night? Male on male or female on female? | |||
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"Id expect it for a bi night but would prefer if it was on that night only ( that's why they have those nights) but on a normal night no thank you. So you wouldn't be happy with any bi play in open rooms if it's not bi night? Male on male or female on female?" The subject was man on man. we are happy with the current situation we are in. We generally go to the nights that are suitable for us. If that changes we would go elsewhere. | |||
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"I mean by bi action man in man But bi-women are perfectly acceptable? Personally I fail to see a difference. What's good for the goose is good for the gander as they say and this is why there are so many bi-guys with straight profiles." Yes I understang what you mean and I feel a wee bit of guilt. However I do respect people's choices. I dont discreminate people because of their sexuality but as being said it's just not my cupa tea. There are many things that are sexually arousing for others but off putting for others and thats one of them. Many things that sound wrong for me but turn me me on. Other things sound wrong and turn me off. I think it's how I am and there is nothing I can change about it. I wouldn't be nasty or say anything that wd hurt others feelings but I will walk away | |||
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"In swinging clubs/party nights or events, does anyone see (or get) any Bi man on man play? Is it against rules or rude or frowned upon? Do straight guys mind watching it? Not on Bi nights of course, this is on standard party nights! Thanks Nick and Amy Xx" EWW that would be horrible | |||
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"Well a very positive start to this thread but now feeling very disinclined to ever go to a club really! Lots of respect for mrknots, if I'd have been privy to that conversation I'd have given that guy a piece of my mind! I can't stand homophobes, they make me violent, I'd only go and 'make a scene' (that must be my gay side talking) and get thrown out like a drama queen! Thanks for the honesty tho everyone! JustUnMe, no I don't think that makes you homophobic but if straight guys actually gave it a try most would realise that guys being bi is just as passionate as girls and there is no difference! Nick xx From foxymuffin" Each to their own, you do what makes you happy other people do what makes them happy and content. | |||
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"Id expect it for a bi night but would prefer if it was on that night only ( that's why they have those nights) but on a normal night no thank you. So you wouldn't be happy with any bi play in open rooms if it's not bi night? Male on male or female on female? The subject was man on man. we are happy with the current situation we are in. We generally go to the nights that are suitable for us. If that changes we would go elsewhere. " And from a bi couples perspective there is nothing erotic about being watched by people with looks of disgust on their faces. We'll stick to bi nights. | |||
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"Id expect it for a bi night but would prefer if it was on that night only ( that's why they have those nights) but on a normal night no thank you. So you wouldn't be happy with any bi play in open rooms if it's not bi night? Male on male or female on female? The subject was man on man. we are happy with the current situation we are in. We generally go to the nights that are suitable for us. If that changes we would go elsewhere. And from a bi couples perspective there is nothing erotic about being watched by people with looks of disgust on their faces. We'll stick to bi nights. " At the same time there is nothing erotic about guys doing it. Bi nights are there for those that want what they are looking for.Hint that's why they are there And no I don't look in disgust,just not my cup of tea. | |||
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"Id expect it for a bi night but would prefer if it was on that night only ( that's why they have those nights) but on a normal night no thank you. So you wouldn't be happy with any bi play in open rooms if it's not bi night? Male on male or female on female? The subject was man on man. we are happy with the current situation we are in. We generally go to the nights that are suitable for us. If that changes we would go elsewhere. And from a bi couples perspective there is nothing erotic about being watched by people with looks of disgust on their faces. We'll stick to bi nights. At the same time there is nothing erotic about guys doing it. Bi nights are there for those that want what they are looking for.Hint that's why they are there And no I don't look in disgust,just not my cup of tea. " But in my opinion there is nothing erotic about two women doing it yet the double standard means that I end up seeing it fairly often when it isn't bi night. Surely the subject should be bi activity and bot just "eeewwwww men on men!" | |||
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"Id expect it for a bi night but would prefer if it was on that night only ( that's why they have those nights) but on a normal night no thank you. So you wouldn't be happy with any bi play in open rooms if it's not bi night? Male on male or female on female? The subject was man on man. we are happy with the current situation we are in. We generally go to the nights that are suitable for us. If that changes we would go elsewhere. And from a bi couples perspective there is nothing erotic about being watched by people with looks of disgust on their faces. We'll stick to bi nights. At the same time there is nothing erotic about guys doing it. Bi nights are there for those that want what they are looking for.Hint that's why they are there And no I don't look in disgust,just not my cup of tea. But in my opinion there is nothing erotic about two women doing it yet the double standard means that I end up seeing it fairly often when it isn't bi night. Surely the subject should be bi activity and bot just "eeewwwww men on men!"" There are loads of gay clubs too where you can see plenty of action. what floats one boat doesn't float the other. You are all adult enough yo realise this, and find things that make you happy. Clubs listen to their customers and if there is a need they will accomodate. I want everyone to be equal but not the same | |||
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"Id expect it for a bi night but would prefer if it was on that night only ( that's why they have those nights) but on a normal night no thank you. So you wouldn't be happy with any bi play in open rooms if it's not bi night? Male on male or female on female? The subject was man on man. we are happy with the current situation we are in. We generally go to the nights that are suitable for us. If that changes we would go elsewhere. And from a bi couples perspective there is nothing erotic about being watched by people with looks of disgust on their faces. We'll stick to bi nights. At the same time there is nothing erotic about guys doing it. Bi nights are there for those that want what they are looking for.Hint that's why they are there And no I don't look in disgust,just not my cup of tea. But in my opinion there is nothing erotic about two women doing it yet the double standard means that I end up seeing it fairly often when it isn't bi night. Surely the subject should be bi activity and bot just "eeewwwww men on men!" There are loads of gay clubs too where you can see plenty of action. what floats one boat doesn't float the other. You are all adult enough yo realise this, and find things that make you happy. Clubs listen to their customers and if there is a need they will accomodate. I want everyone to be equal but not the same " I go to gay clubs with my best friend who is gay an see only snogging. And as at any club it would be creepy if I followed people round hoping to see some action. Or did you mean gay saunas? Because they tend not to let women in. I also want everyone to be equal. But in my version of equality both men and women (including trans of every variety) would be able to play how they liked in open rooms and watchers would simply walk away without comment if it's not for them. | |||
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"Well a very positive start to this thread but now feeling very disinclined to ever go to a club really! Lots of respect for mrknots, if I'd have been privy to that conversation I'd have given that guy a piece of my mind! I can't stand homophobes, they make me violent, I'd only go and 'make a scene' (that must be my gay side talking) and get thrown out like a drama queen! Thanks for the honesty tho everyone! JustUnMe, no I don't think that makes you homophobic but if straight guys actually gave it a try most would realise that guys being bi is just as passionate as girls and there is no difference! Nick xx From foxymuffin" Perhaps we're going about this all wrong then. Maybe clubs should be open to all kinds of play with special nights - like Mondays - the ultimate going out night of the week for "straights who get offended". Or they could go to "straight" clubs instead. Yes the hypocrisy of bi women and bi men is astounding. | |||
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"Well a very positive start to this thread but now feeling very disinclined to ever go to a club really! Lots of respect for mrknots, if I'd have been privy to that conversation I'd have given that guy a piece of my mind! I can't stand homophobes, they make me violent, I'd only go and 'make a scene' (that must be my gay side talking) and get thrown out like a drama queen! Thanks for the honesty tho everyone! JustUnMe, no I don't think that makes you homophobic but if straight guys actually gave it a try most would realise that guys being bi is just as passionate as girls and there is no difference! Nick xx From foxymuffin Perhaps we're going about this all wrong then. Maybe clubs should be open to all kinds of play with special nights - like Mondays - the ultimate going out night of the week for "straights who get offended". Or they could go to "straight" clubs instead. Yes the hypocrisy of bi women and bi men is astounding. " Its not hypocrisy. Thing is some people want it all and that's not the way sometime. You're turning it into a "feel sorry for me thread" Tbh we have seen more mm action than ff in all of the clubs put together since we have been attending. | |||
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"Well a very positive start to this thread but now feeling very disinclined to ever go to a club really! Lots of respect for mrknots, if I'd have been privy to that conversation I'd have given that guy a piece of my mind! I can't stand homophobes, they make me violent, I'd only go and 'make a scene' (that must be my gay side talking) and get thrown out like a drama queen! Thanks for the honesty tho everyone! JustUnMe, no I don't think that makes you homophobic but if straight guys actually gave it a try most would realise that guys being bi is just as passionate as girls and there is no difference! Nick xx From foxymuffin Perhaps we're going about this all wrong then. Maybe clubs should be open to all kinds of play with special nights - like Mondays - the ultimate going out night of the week for "straights who get offended". Or they could go to "straight" clubs instead. Yes the hypocrisy of bi women and bi men is astounding. " They have nights for most tastes, girl orgy, BBC,gangbang,social night, Its like going to a model railway club and expect to play with Scalextric because you want to | |||
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"Never seen it in a club but I haven't attended on bi nights . No doubt Ide be the one in the corner staring " Go to torture garden see all sorts, there were a couple of guys just going round giving blowjobs. | |||
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"It is very curious indeed that there is opposition to men getting it on with men. Surely if you attend a swingers club, by definition people can be expected to play with anyone and everyone that takes their fancy? It seems hypocritical that a person or persons will complain about one type of sex. I personally do not like bondage but if I saw someone getting tied up and a good seeing to then fair play to them. (Provided they wanted to... Lol) A a swingers club is a place for adults to have random no strings, safe enjoyable sex with whoever they like!!" | |||
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"It is very curious indeed that there is opposition to men getting it on with men. Surely if you attend a swingers club, by definition people can be expected to play with anyone and everyone that takes their fancy? It seems hypocritical that a person or persons will complain about one type of sex. I personally do not like bondage but if I saw someone getting tied up and a good seeing to then fair play to them. (Provided they wanted to... Lol) A a swingers club is a place for adults to have random no strings, safe enjoyable sex with whoever they like!! " If the other person wants to. It is still not a free for all. | |||
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"It is very curious indeed that there is opposition to men getting it on with men. Surely if you attend a swingers club, by definition people can be expected to play with anyone and everyone that takes their fancy? It seems hypocritical that a person or persons will complain about one type of sex. I personally do not like bondage but if I saw someone getting tied up and a good seeing to then fair play to them. (Provided they wanted to... Lol) A a swingers club is a place for adults to have random no strings, safe enjoyable sex with whoever they like!!" Would you say the same about people having extreme pain, humiliation or piss and shit in the open room ? | |||
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"It is very curious indeed that there is opposition to men getting it on with men. Surely if you attend a swingers club, by definition people can be expected to play with anyone and everyone that takes their fancy? It seems hypocritical that a person or persons will complain about one type of sex. I personally do not like bondage but if I saw someone getting tied up and a good seeing to then fair play to them. (Provided they wanted to... Lol) A a swingers club is a place for adults to have random no strings, safe enjoyable sex with whoever they like!! Would you say the same about people having extreme pain, humiliation or piss and shit in the open room ? " what's all that got to do with sex? | |||
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"It is very curious indeed that there is opposition to men getting it on with men. Surely if you attend a swingers club, by definition people can be expected to play with anyone and everyone that takes their fancy? It seems hypocritical that a person or persons will complain about one type of sex. I personally do not like bondage but if I saw someone getting tied up and a good seeing to then fair play to them. (Provided they wanted to... Lol) A a swingers club is a place for adults to have random no strings, safe enjoyable sex with whoever they like!! Would you say the same about people having extreme pain, humiliation or piss and shit in the open room ? " Sex is sex, if hetero sex is allowed in the open room then homosexual sex must also be allowed. The addition of specialist subjects is a different thing and there are hygiene considerations too with some of what you suggested. But the point remains, if a man and a women are allowed p, then 2 men should be as well, also 2 women. Although no one seems to complain about the latter. A bit of sexism methinks? | |||
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"It is very curious indeed that there is opposition to men getting it on with men. Surely if you attend a swingers club, by definition people can be expected to play with anyone and everyone that takes their fancy? It seems hypocritical that a person or persons will complain about one type of sex. I personally do not like bondage but if I saw someone getting tied up and a good seeing to then fair play to them. (Provided they wanted to... Lol) A a swingers club is a place for adults to have random no strings, safe enjoyable sex with whoever they like!! Would you say the same about people having extreme pain, humiliation or piss and shit in the open room ? what's all that got to do with sex? " Thats the kinda sex many swingers are into | |||
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"It is very curious indeed that there is opposition to men getting it on with men. Surely if you attend a swingers club, by definition people can be expected to play with anyone and everyone that takes their fancy? It seems hypocritical that a person or persons will complain about one type of sex. I personally do not like bondage but if I saw someone getting tied up and a good seeing to then fair play to them. (Provided they wanted to... Lol) A a swingers club is a place for adults to have random no strings, safe enjoyable sex with whoever they like!! If the other person wants to. It is still not a free for all." Agreed, apologies I took consent to be a given, never thought to mention it. You are quite right" | |||
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" Would you say the same about people having extreme pain, humiliation or piss and shit in the open room ? " Haematological, scatalogical and urilogical pasttimes have an inherent level of biological safety associated with them. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge participating in these practices would know that they are not intended for open room play. You are comparing apples to napalm. | |||
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"It is very curious indeed that there is opposition to men getting it on with men. Surely if you attend a swingers club, by definition people can be expected to play with anyone and everyone that takes their fancy? It seems hypocritical that a person or persons will complain about one type of sex. I personally do not like bondage but if I saw someone getting tied up and a good seeing to then fair play to them. (Provided they wanted to... Lol) A a swingers club is a place for adults to have random no strings, safe enjoyable sex with whoever they like!! Would you say the same about people having extreme pain, humiliation or piss and shit in the open room ? what's all that got to do with sex? Thats the kinda sex many swingers are into " are they? Pain shit and piss ent sex or we missing the point? | |||
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" Would you say the same about people having extreme pain, humiliation or piss and shit in the open room ? Haematological, scatalogical and urilogical pasttimes have an inherent level of biological safety associated with them. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge participating in these practices would know that they are not intended for open room play. You are comparing apples to napalm." Not when the majority of humans dont see it as apple theway you do | |||
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"We was at a club, no names mentioned and i saw 2 guys getting frisky and the owners told them to stop it straight away or they would be ejected from the club as it wasn't a bi night" that's sexists | |||
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"We was at a club, no names mentioned and i saw 2 guys getting frisky and the owners told them to stop it straight away or they would be ejected from the club as it wasn't a bi night that's sexists " If the rules for the club state that only straight secs allowed then that is how it has to be. Right or wrong. However you seldom see two women being asked to stop. | |||
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"Be carefull you will catch the bi/gay if you see 2 guys together in a club Im a straight guy and if 2 guys wanna play together in a adult club then who am i to say they should'nt. At least then theres more ladies going without cock for me to jump on The ppl that have a problem with 2 guys playing do you have the same problem with 2 ladies playing together? I bet not" | |||
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"We was at a club, no names mentioned and i saw 2 guys getting frisky and the owners told them to stop it straight away or they would be ejected from the club as it wasn't a bi night" their club their rules | |||
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"We was at a club, no names mentioned and i saw 2 guys getting frisky and the owners told them to stop it straight away or they would be ejected from the club as it wasn't a bi night that's sexists If the rules for the club state that only straight secs allowed then that is how it has to be. Right or wrong. However you seldom see two women being asked to stop." never been on a clubs web site and seen a line saying no man on man I'm guessing its the people in the club that have complained that's why it was stopped, we don't like a few things in clubs we just go to another room | |||
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"Be carefull you will catch the bi/gay if you see 2 guys together in a club Im a straight guy and if 2 guys wanna play together in a adult club then who am i to say they should'nt. At least then theres more ladies going without cock for me to jump on The ppl that have a problem with 2 guys playing do you have the same problem with 2 ladies playing together? I bet not " 2 women together rather watch paint dry | |||
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"We was at a club, no names mentioned and i saw 2 guys getting frisky and the owners told them to stop it straight away or they would be ejected from the club as it wasn't a bi night that's sexists " I would tend to agree. J | |||
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"We was at a club, no names mentioned and i saw 2 guys getting frisky and the owners told them to stop it straight away or they would be ejected from the club as it wasn't a bi night that's sexists If the rules for the club state that only straight secs allowed then that is how it has to be. Right or wrong. However you seldom see two women being asked to stop." Cause it will put off the majority of clients and they dont want to close their business to satisfy the minority. even if that minority think its not right. I dont see why someone would oblige others to watch them having the kinda sex they dont like to watch! Especially if most clients dont like it and they are paying good money to have fun not to be put in a situation that would cause them discomfort | |||
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"Good point who's the majority, that's all I wanted to know! so let's see!!! I want thumbs up/thumbs down! watch or not watch? " Watch and hopefully join in | |||
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"Be carefull you will catch the bi/gay if you see 2 guys together in a club Im a straight guy and if 2 guys wanna play together in a adult club then who am i to say they should'nt. At least then theres more ladies going without cock for me to jump on The ppl that have a problem with 2 guys playing do you have the same problem with 2 ladies playing together? I bet not" Ha love this | |||
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"Seems a bit crazy in this day and age, if people don't like what they see then they can walk off somewhere else !!!" | |||
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"Well a very positive start to this thread but now feeling very disinclined to ever go to a club really! Lots of respect for mrknots, if I'd have been privy to that conversation I'd have given that guy a piece of my mind! I can't stand homophobes, they make me violent, I'd only go and 'make a scene' (that must be my gay side talking) and get thrown out like a drama queen! Thanks for the honesty tho everyone! JustUnMe, no I don't think that makes you homophobic but if straight guys actually gave it a try most would realise that guys being bi is just as passionate as girls and there is no difference! Nick xx From foxymuffin Perhaps we're going about this all wrong then. Maybe clubs should be open to all kinds of play with special nights - like Mondays - the ultimate going out night of the week for "straights who get offended". Or they could go to "straight" clubs instead. Yes the hypocrisy of bi women and bi men is astounding. Its not hypocrisy. Thing is some people want it all and that's not the way sometime. You're turning it into a "feel sorry for me thread" Tbh we have seen more mm action than ff in all of the clubs put together since we have been attending. " Er like fuck I am !! I don't need sympathy from you or anyone for being a bi couple. I rarely take offence about bi discussion topics in forums and often even side with straight people but your posts - wow Suggesting bi couples go to gay clubs and saunas you clearly have little understanding on the topic making ridiculous comments like that. Ignorance and homophobia lives on | |||
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"Seems a bit crazy in this day and age, if people don't like what they see then they can walk off somewhere else !!!" Exactly! Well said spunky! J x | |||
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"Seems a bit crazy in this day and age, if people don't like what they see then they can walk off somewhere else !!!" you are posting on Fabswingers forums, now when have some done that | |||
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"Well a very positive start to this thread but now feeling very disinclined to ever go to a club really! Lots of respect for mrknots, if I'd have been privy to that conversation I'd have given that guy a piece of my mind! I can't stand homophobes, they make me violent, I'd only go and 'make a scene' (that must be my gay side talking) and get thrown out like a drama queen! Thanks for the honesty tho everyone! JustUnMe, no I don't think that makes you homophobic but if straight guys actually gave it a try most would realise that guys being bi is just as passionate as girls and there is no difference! Nick xx From foxymuffin Perhaps we're going about this all wrong then. Maybe clubs should be open to all kinds of play with special nights - like Mondays - the ultimate going out night of the week for "straights who get offended". Or they could go to "straight" clubs instead. Yes the hypocrisy of bi women and bi men is astounding. Its not hypocrisy. Thing is some people want it all and that's not the way sometime. You're turning it into a "feel sorry for me thread" Tbh we have seen more mm action than ff in all of the clubs put together since we have been attending. Er like fuck I am !! I don't need sympathy from you or anyone for being a bi couple. I rarely take offence about bi discussion topics in forums and often even side with straight people but your posts - wow Suggesting bi couples go to gay clubs and saunas you clearly have little understanding on the topic making ridiculous comments like that. Ignorance and homophobia lives on " But don't you realise that once a guy sucks a guys cock he's dirty and tarnished. | |||
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"Well a very positive start to this thread but now feeling very disinclined to ever go to a club really! Lots of respect for mrknots, if I'd have been privy to that conversation I'd have given that guy a piece of my mind! I can't stand homophobes, they make me violent, I'd only go and 'make a scene' (that must be my gay side talking) and get thrown out like a drama queen! Thanks for the honesty tho everyone! JustUnMe, no I don't think that makes you homophobic but if straight guys actually gave it a try most would realise that guys being bi is just as passionate as girls and there is no difference! Nick xx From foxymuffin Perhaps we're going about this all wrong then. Maybe clubs should be open to all kinds of play with special nights - like Mondays - the ultimate going out night of the week for "straights who get offended". Or they could go to "straight" clubs instead. Yes the hypocrisy of bi women and bi men is astounding. Its not hypocrisy. Thing is some people want it all and that's not the way sometime. You're turning it into a "feel sorry for me thread" Tbh we have seen more mm action than ff in all of the clubs put together since we have been attending. Er like fuck I am !! I don't need sympathy from you or anyone for being a bi couple. I rarely take offence about bi discussion topics in forums and often even side with straight people but your posts - wow Suggesting bi couples go to gay clubs and saunas you clearly have little understanding on the topic making ridiculous comments like that. Ignorance and homophobia lives on " what im saying is there is action if you want it,at special nights and special clubs, this is what YOU want so find it. | |||
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"Good point who's the majority, that's all I wanted to know! so let's see!!! I want thumbs up/thumbs down! watch or not watch? " Hmmmm do I only get to watch if so thumbs down , if I get to join in huge thumbs up | |||
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"Seems a bit crazy in this day and age, if people don't like what they see then they can walk off somewhere else !!!" And those that like what they want | |||
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"Well a very positive start to this thread but now feeling very disinclined to ever go to a club really! Lots of respect for mrknots, if I'd have been privy to that conversation I'd have given that guy a piece of my mind! I can't stand homophobes, they make me violent, I'd only go and 'make a scene' (that must be my gay side talking) and get thrown out like a drama queen! Thanks for the honesty tho everyone! JustUnMe, no I don't think that makes you homophobic but if straight guys actually gave it a try most would realise that guys being bi is just as passionate as girls and there is no difference! Nick xx From foxymuffin Perhaps we're going about this all wrong then. Maybe clubs should be open to all kinds of play with special nights - like Mondays - the ultimate going out night of the week for "straights who get offended". Or they could go to "straight" clubs instead. Yes the hypocrisy of bi women and bi men is astounding. Its not hypocrisy. Thing is some people want it all and that's not the way sometime. You're turning it into a "feel sorry for me thread" Tbh we have seen more mm action than ff in all of the clubs put together since we have been attending. Er like fuck I am !! I don't need sympathy from you or anyone for being a bi couple. I rarely take offence about bi discussion topics in forums and often even side with straight people but your posts - wow Suggesting bi couples go to gay clubs and saunas you clearly have little understanding on the topic making ridiculous comments like that. Ignorance and homophobia lives on what im saying is there is action if you want it,at special nights and special clubs, this is what YOU want so find it. " does that go for 2 women? Or just guys | |||
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"Well a very positive start to this thread but now feeling very disinclined to ever go to a club really! Lots of respect for mrknots, if I'd have been privy to that conversation I'd have given that guy a piece of my mind! I can't stand homophobes, they make me violent, I'd only go and 'make a scene' (that must be my gay side talking) and get thrown out like a drama queen! Thanks for the honesty tho everyone! JustUnMe, no I don't think that makes you homophobic but if straight guys actually gave it a try most would realise that guys being bi is just as passionate as girls and there is no difference! Nick xx From foxymuffin Perhaps we're going about this all wrong then. Maybe clubs should be open to all kinds of play with special nights - like Mondays - the ultimate going out night of the week for "straights who get offended". Or they could go to "straight" clubs instead. Yes the hypocrisy of bi women and bi men is astounding. Its not hypocrisy. Thing is some people want it all and that's not the way sometime. You're turning it into a "feel sorry for me thread" Tbh we have seen more mm action than ff in all of the clubs put together since we have been attending. Er like fuck I am !! I don't need sympathy from you or anyone for being a bi couple. I rarely take offence about bi discussion topics in forums and often even side with straight people but your posts - wow Suggesting bi couples go to gay clubs and saunas you clearly have little understanding on the topic making ridiculous comments like that. Ignorance and homophobia lives on what im saying is there is action if you want it,at special nights and special clubs, this is what YOU want so find it. " But why should it be a specialist form of play? Especially when it is often assumed that as a swinging woman I must be bi - bisexuality is regarded as the norm. I have no desire to see spanking either but that is often part of people's play in open rooms and no-one suggests they should keep it for specialist clubs and nights. | |||
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"On a non bi night, I probably would use a private room for no other reason,than it would spare me the drama of others huffing and puffing. " my stance hasn't changed | |||
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"Well a very positive start to this thread but now feeling very disinclined to ever go to a club really! Lots of respect for mrknots, if I'd have been privy to that conversation I'd have given that guy a piece of my mind! I can't stand homophobes, they make me violent, I'd only go and 'make a scene' (that must be my gay side talking) and get thrown out like a drama queen! Thanks for the honesty tho everyone! JustUnMe, no I don't think that makes you homophobic but if straight guys actually gave it a try most would realise that guys being bi is just as passionate as girls and there is no difference! Nick xx From foxymuffin Perhaps we're going about this all wrong then. Maybe clubs should be open to all kinds of play with special nights - like Mondays - the ultimate going out night of the week for "straights who get offended". Or they could go to "straight" clubs instead. Yes the hypocrisy of bi women and bi men is astounding. Its not hypocrisy. Thing is some people want it all and that's not the way sometime. You're turning it into a "feel sorry for me thread" Tbh we have seen more mm action than ff in all of the clubs put together since we have been attending. Er like fuck I am !! I don't need sympathy from you or anyone for being a bi couple. I rarely take offence about bi discussion topics in forums and often even side with straight people but your posts - wow Suggesting bi couples go to gay clubs and saunas you clearly have little understanding on the topic making ridiculous comments like that. Ignorance and homophobia lives on what im saying is there is action if you want it,at special nights and special clubs, this is what YOU want so find it. does that go for 2 women? Or just guys" Goes for anyone,if a club wants male male action then find a club that will allow it, i know torture garden does. im sure bi nights do too. | |||
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"When we got into the swinging scene we though it was supposed to be a liberal and less opinionated thing, live and let live etc. When we see something we don't find attractive to see we just walk away and get on with our own fun !" Thats to your own perspective. but people still want pure ownership and rights to what is expected on the swinger scene. Its on many levels and one size doesn't fit all. | |||
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"Ok. It's Friday and I'm toying with the idea of going to a club tonight. I'm unlikely to play cos I'm not feeling great, but as well as socialising I'd like to watch. Ideally I'd like to watch group play which includes man on man action. I'm not into women playing with each other but I'm happy to disregard it. So where do I go? At my usual club bi night is once a month on a week night. In fact even weekly bi nights are on week nights. So I may well decide to stay home. And that's one less single female going to clubs this weekend. I happen to know a large amount of women who enjoy or are interested in watching men play together but rarely find the opportunity to do so. There is a very well known club where single male membership is hard to get apart from on bi night. So straight men come on bi night and have changed the atmosphere so that bi men often don't feel comfortable playing in open rooms anymore. It is a strange and lingering bigotry, made even more strange by the supposed open minds and acceptance that as swingers we hope for from our peers in the swinging world. " If there was a business for people like you then sure it will be there, or create one. You can create your own destiny and if that's you want you could have arranged it earlier | |||
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"When we got into the swinging scene we though it was supposed to be a liberal and less opinionated thing, live and let live etc. When we see something we don't find attractive to see we just walk away and get on with our own fun ! Thats to your own perspective. but people still want pure ownership and rights to what is expected on the swinger scene. Its on many levels and one size doesn't fit all." I agree with you there, that's what makes the scene more fun than not, each to their own etc | |||
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"Swingers clubs are businesses that care to satisfy and attract certain type of clients which happens most of them dont like watching men in men action in the open. Its not a place for protesting homosexual rights lol. I will simply walk off in that case. No harm done " The irony is that a surprising number of people have never been asked their opinion on this. As with most bigotry it's the vocal minority who set the tone and it's time the silent ones took a stand. This is not about homosexual rights. This is about people being treated as disgusting for behaving in ways that most of us would agree they are entitled to. Reducing it to just being about homosexual rights is expounding the mantra of seperate but equal. It wasn't right then, it isn't right now. | |||
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"We was at a club, no names mentioned and i saw 2 guys getting frisky and the owners told them to stop it straight away or they would be ejected from the club as it wasn't a bi night their club their rules " Yes, as long as they made the same threats to any bi-women "getting frisky". Otherwise its hypocrisy... | |||
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"We was at a club, no names mentioned and i saw 2 guys getting frisky and the owners told them to stop it straight away or they would be ejected from the club as it wasn't a bi night their club their rules Yes, as long as they made the same threats to any bi-women "getting frisky". Otherwise its hypocrisy..." Life is full of hypocrisy wherever you go, but you will never please all the people all the time. We if we want to have the choice of going any night we please, and look for any kink we want. Its choice. BBC night, bi night, couples only, couples and m, couples and f, gay saunas, fetish club, private meets, kink meet, social meet, bukkakee, girl gang bang Its all there if you want it. | |||
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"We was at a club, no names mentioned and i saw 2 guys getting frisky and the owners told them to stop it straight away or they would be ejected from the club as it wasn't a bi night their club their rules Yes, as long as they made the same threats to any bi-women "getting frisky". Otherwise its hypocrisy... Life is full of hypocrisy wherever you go, but you will never please all the people all the time. We if we want to have the choice of going any night we please, and look for any kink we want. Its choice. BBC night, bi night, couples only, couples and m, couples and f, gay saunas, fetish club, private meets, kink meet, social meet, bukkakee, girl gang bang Its all there if you want it. " True, but my point also stands. | |||
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"But the majority of club nights are not aimed at specific people. The majority of club nights are just open for all. But in your book that "all" means straight and bi women. One assumes you're not going to kick off about any BBW or greedy girls attending either, so it's just the bi guys you take exception too....they in your book should keep themselves to themselves and stick to their own nights. It really annoys me that most our messages come from dishonest "straight" guys, but with attitudes like this it's only encouraging bi guys to go "underground". Pity. Hey it's 2014 they banned homosexuality last century. You can't catch gay by watching and if you don't want to watch walk away " Well said | |||
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"But the majority of club nights are not aimed at specific people. The majority of club nights are just open for all. But in your book that "all" means straight and bi women. One assumes you're not going to kick off about any BBW or greedy girls attending either, so it's just the bi guys you take exception too....they in your book should keep themselves to themselves and stick to their own nights. It really annoys me that most our messages come from dishonest "straight" guys, but with attitudes like this it's only encouraging bi guys to go "underground". Pity. Hey it's 2014 they banned homosexuality last century. You can't catch gay by watching and if you don't want to watch walk away " Agreed. Sexuality is not a specialism. Specialism is a choice, sexuality is not. To be quite honest I (Andy)find guys pretty grim to look at but when playing and they are there I quite like to play in a sexual way as it feels great, I do not want to watch 2 guys in any detail but if they want to get it on near me then fair play to them. Sex is great. There should be more of it for all of us to do and see. | |||
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"But the majority of club nights are not aimed at specific people. The majority of club nights are just open for all. But in your book that "all" means straight and bi women. One assumes you're not going to kick off about any BBW or greedy girls attending either, so it's just the bi guys you take exception too....they in your book should keep themselves to themselves and stick to their own nights. It really annoys me that most our messages come from dishonest "straight" guys, but with attitudes like this it's only encouraging bi guys to go "underground". Pity. Hey it's 2014 they banned homosexuality last century. You can't catch gay by watching and if you don't want to watch walk away Well said " Underground does that mean going on websites looking for meets?? There are loads doing it | |||
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"But the majority of club nights are not aimed at specific people. The majority of club nights are just open for all. But in your book that "all" means straight and bi women. One assumes you're not going to kick off about any BBW or greedy girls attending either, so it's just the bi guys you take exception too....they in your book should keep themselves to themselves and stick to their own nights. It really annoys me that most our messages come from dishonest "straight" guys, but with attitudes like this it's only encouraging bi guys to go "underground". Pity. Hey it's 2014 they banned homosexuality last century. You can't catch gay by watching and if you don't want to watch walk away " No it doesn't I see it as couples. Single men Single ladies. Then its up to them what they do with their club. | |||
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"But the majority of club nights are not aimed at specific people. The majority of club nights are just open for all. But in your book that "all" means straight and bi women. One assumes you're not going to kick off about any BBW or greedy girls attending either, so it's just the bi guys you take exception too....they in your book should keep themselves to themselves and stick to their own nights. It really annoys me that most our messages come from dishonest "straight" guys, but with attitudes like this it's only encouraging bi guys to go "underground". Pity. Hey it's 2014 they banned homosexuality last century. You can't catch gay by watching and if you don't want to watch walk away No it doesn't I see it as couples. Single men Single ladies. Then its up to them what they do with their club." So you're saying that couples, single men and single ladies should decide what to do in their club? In that case my vote goes for lots of man on man action for me to appreciate. | |||
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"But the majority of club nights are not aimed at specific people. The majority of club nights are just open for all. But in your book that "all" means straight and bi women. One assumes you're not going to kick off about any BBW or greedy girls attending either, so it's just the bi guys you take exception too....they in your book should keep themselves to themselves and stick to their own nights. It really annoys me that most our messages come from dishonest "straight" guys, but with attitudes like this it's only encouraging bi guys to go "underground". Pity. Hey it's 2014 they banned homosexuality last century. You can't catch gay by watching and if you don't want to watch walk away No it doesn't I see it as couples. Single men Single ladies. Then its up to them what they do with their club. So you're saying that couples, single men and single ladies should decide what to do in their club? In that case my vote goes for lots of man on man action for me to appreciate. " Lol no the club owners, up to them who to target | |||
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" I want everyone to be equal but not the same " Sounds rather familiar to old equal but separate used in the American South during the 1950s to separate the races. Tonight I am going to The Attic. It is a straight night. They do have two TG days, but I don't wish to be parcelled away. I'm a human being and expect to be treated as one, not something shoved in a corner where no one need be offended by my presence. If someone dislikes me being bi or looking glam, they have an issue to deal with, not I. | |||
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"I remember some time ago seeing two guys at Xtasia, naked, with raging hardons (probably blue pill addicts) standing with their arms folded talking about football and holidays, " Well of course they had their arms folded don't you know that if a mans hand comes within 10¼ inches of another man's cock then he is instantly and irrevocably gay | |||
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"It's a sex club, sex happens! Get over it! I don't park my bisexual car in the bisexual car park, wear my bisexual suit and go in to the club by the bisexual door..... Providing that it's between consenting adults and no one is pressured to join in then what's the problem? If you don't want to watch then don't! We are swingers because we enjoy sex... It's a permissive lifestyle that seems to attract more bloody boundaries, rules, sex police and activity wardens than any other lifestyle. If you're a prude or narrow minded, I'd suggest you hand in your Fab card and join a local Church! Ahem, steps backwards and down off soapbox! " AMEN BROTHER . . . . Oh no . . Wait . . . No church references, I'm not welcome there being a sinner!! | |||
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"It's a sex club, sex happens! Get over it! I don't park my bisexual car in the bisexual car park, wear my bisexual suit and go in to the club by the bisexual door..... Providing that it's between consenting adults and no one is pressured to join in then what's the problem? If you don't want to watch then don't! We are swingers because we enjoy sex... It's a permissive lifestyle that seems to attract more bloody boundaries, rules, sex police and activity wardens than any other lifestyle. If you're a prude or narrow minded, I'd suggest you hand in your Fab card and join a local Church! Ahem, steps backwards and down off soapbox! " | |||
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"Be carefull you will catch the bi/gay if you see 2 guys together in a club Im a straight guy and if 2 guys wanna play together in a adult club then who am i to say they should'nt. At least then theres more ladies going without cock for me to jump on The ppl that have a problem with 2 guys playing do you have the same problem with 2 ladies playing together? I bet not" Couldn't agree more I myself am straight if I was at a club and seen it then it's there choice to play enjoy it but sadly I won't be joining in I will have the lady's that are going without cock and Mrs can help me please them Mr | |||
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"What I dont get is that straight people never try to turn bi and gay people into straight but the opposit is all the time hapoening. I can't stress enough in my profile how straight I am and that I only play with women. I still get tones of requests and people try to convince me otherwise. From both men and women who want me into a bi mmf session!!! " Sorry straight people don't try to turn bi/gay people straight? Suggest you check history on that one!! As for myself i'v no intrest in turning anyone if you want to try it then go for it but don't flatter yourself ! | |||
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"What I dont get is that straight people never try to turn bi and gay people into straight but the opposit is all the time hapoening. I can't stress enough in my profile how straight I am and that I only play with women. I still get tones of requests and people try to convince me otherwise. From both men and women who want me into a bi mmf session!!! Sorry straight people don't try to turn bi/gay people straight? Suggest you check history on that one!! As for myself i'v no intrest in turning anyone if you want to try it then go for it but don't flatter yourself ! " I am not flattering myself. Its happening to most genuinely straight guys in fab and its not something unknown. Many of the bi/gay guys put up meets and in their status looking for straight guys to have fun with. I get winks and messages every day requesting meets. Offering all sort of hom sex when my profile say straight straight straight and I hear this happening to most straight guys. I have even been offered money! Its a fact. When I reply nicely and say I am straight and no thanks they go on trying to convince tgat I will stay straight if I meet them and play with them | |||
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"What I dont get is that straight people never try to turn bi and gay people into straight but the opposit is all the time hapoening. I can't stress enough in my profile how straight I am and that I only play with women. I still get tones of requests and people try to convince me otherwise. From both men and women who want me into a bi mmf session!!! Sorry straight people don't try to turn bi/gay people straight? Suggest you check history on that one!! As for myself i'v no intrest in turning anyone if you want to try it then go for it but don't flatter yourself ! I am not flattering myself. Its happening to most genuinely straight guys in fab and its not something unknown. Many of the bi/gay guys put up meets and in their status looking for straight guys to have fun with. I get winks and messages every day requesting meets. Offering all sort of hom sex when my profile say straight straight straight and I hear this happening to most straight guys. I have even been offered money! Its a fact. When I reply nicely and say I am straight and no thanks they go on trying to convince tgat I will stay straight if I meet them and play with them " I'm sorry if that's the way some guys act but in the flip side you should see how many messages I ( and I suspect other bi guys ) get from straight guys wanting to meet. So I suppose it's the same for all concerned really | |||
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"Ahem. If I might just intercept with a bit of inside knowledge. There are straight guys on here and there are "straight" guys. We get bombarded by "straight" guys wanting to try bi or just plain old fuck with mrnotts as that is something they regularly enjoy. I don't think anyone is naive enough to believe they can really turn a truly straight guy. But some might enjoy playing / chatting to the vast amount of "straight" / lying / In denial / call them what you like actually they're bi curious - bisexual men on here " Good point I myself have never wanted to turn a straight guy or even play with a bi curious/first timer but as with anything it's each to they're own | |||
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"... Cause it will put off the majority of clients and they dont want to close their business to satisfy the minority. even if that minority think its not right. I dont see why someone would oblige others to watch them having the kinda sex they dont like to watch! Especially if most clients dont like it and they are paying good money to have fun not to be put in a situation that would cause them discomfort" Where is the evidence that most dont like it? Most may not want to join in or be an active voyeur, but that is different. Unless a group of guys is in the main club doorway, then there is little affect on others, save their prejudice. People didnt used to want gays around them full stop - some people - taking that to clubs is just still the same prejudice. Gay clubs are open to straights, and if you get frisky, noone is asked to leave. Bigots find any old excuse, and it is time for some places to go out of business, if they dont move with the times. | |||
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