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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham

not literally mine....mines still all plumped out but i am worried that this will be me when i lose more weight!!!

I think this is a side of weight loss.....especially massive quick weightloss through bariatric surgery that people fail to forsee or even understand. It can be as debilitating as actually being very obese.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Depends how bad it is, when I lost 8 stone it wasn't to bad. I would sooner have the baggy skin than be fat and unhealthy and if its really bad they can remove it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im concerned about it but id rather be living and healthy

Then say die prematurely because of being over weight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fred needs to be evicted

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Im concerned about it but id rather be living and healthy

Then say die prematurely because of being over weight"

oh i absolutely agree and now its not something that would stop me (it was a factor before)

there was a story on the bbc website where a guy is having to go to the states to have his skin removed as the nhs wont do it. wether it was just any skin removal surgery or just his because of some reason i cant remember but its quite sad that he cant have it done here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am interested to know if the people in the programs suffered the excess skin problem as a result of sudden weight loss, such as from gastric bands.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I am interested to know if the people in the programs suffered the excess skin problem as a result of sudden weight loss, such as from gastric bands. "

one did but one went down the exercise/fat club route.

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By *ingjayMan
over a year ago

exeter

Don't crash diet, don't have gastric band, best way to lose weight and keep your skin tight n fresh is excersise, it's also the hardest way, but sit ups, crunches a full blown fitness regime........ People slate girls that have perfect bodies ect but the ones I know put a he'll of a lot of work into getting them and keeping them, a lot of work!!!!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Don't crash diet, don't have gastric band, best way to lose weight and keep your skin tight n fresh is excersise, it's also the hardest way, but sit ups, crunches a full blown fitness regime........ People slate girls that have perfect bodies ect but the ones I know put a he'll of a lot of work into getting them and keeping them, a lot of work!!!!! "

thats what one of them did but he has lots of excess skin and has been turned down for skin removal on the nhs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it should be available on the nhs..People get bust reductions etc on nhs ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't crash diet, don't have gastric band, best way to lose weight and keep your skin tight n fresh is excersise, it's also the hardest way, but sit ups, crunches a full blown fitness regime........ People slate girls that have perfect bodies ect but the ones I know put a he'll of a lot of work into getting them and keeping them, a lot of work!!!!! "
this is fine for people who can exercise,I have a spine injury which stops me from doing such things xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it should be available on the nhs..People get bust reductions etc on nhs ffs "

Or enlargments because they have confidence issues

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

That girl is gonna struggle getting to ten stone with all that excess skin hanging down to be approved for surgery.

Must be awful to lose all that weight and still feel terrible about yourself.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"That girl is gonna struggle getting to ten stone with all that excess skin hanging down to be approved for surgery.

Must be awful to lose all that weight and still feel terrible about yourself. "

Absolutely. All your life as a big person you get told and shown how wonderful your life will be when you lose weight. How you'll be able to wear all the fashionable clothes etc. To lose all that weight and be ashamed of your body must be heart breaking.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

Omg..how do people ever get to that state!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Omg..how do people ever get to that state!!"

many reasons, but these are the ones who have realised they needed to do something about it and i applaud them.

Its a tough struggle to lose weight. there is no end destination as you are fighting your body every step of the way, every day for the rest of your life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Omg..how do people ever get to that state!!

many reasons, but these are the ones who have realised they needed to do something about it and i applaud them.

Its a tough struggle to lose weight. there is no end destination as you are fighting your body every step of the way, every day for the rest of your life."

Some people have less elastic skin so no matter how slow they lose the weight they will never 'ping' into shape.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Omg..how do people ever get to that state!!

many reasons, but these are the ones who have realised they needed to do something about it and i applaud them.

Its a tough struggle to lose weight. there is no end destination as you are fighting your body every step of the way, every day for the rest of your life.

Some people have less elastic skin so no matter how slow they lose the weight they will never 'ping' into shape. "

yep.

I liken it to a balloon, the more you blow it up and keep it that way for a long time the less likely it is to return to its pre blown up state.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

The older you are the less likely it is to ping back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was considering having a band a cpl of years ago but after watching a similar programme i decided not to and have done it myself.It may be a wrong way of thinking of it but i would rather be fat and not have that excess skin...couldnt cope with it im afraid. Ive been lucky and not got any excess skin at all .

I do think that if someone makes all that effort then the nhs should remove the skin..In the end it will save a lot more money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

would Love a band

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"would Love a band "

you dont look that big in your pics x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I loved that first wedding dress she tried on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guess ill be in a minority of one here but just dont get to that state. Dont overeat, people get to be bariatric through consuming vastly more calories than they use. Yeah, theres some medical conditions complicate the issue but the majority of them are weight related. And, NO, the nhs should not foot the bill for elective weight loss surgery, i do not want wards being filled, theatres booked out, staff overworked because of gluttony.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"would Love a band "

I know a few people that have had bands or bypasses. It's no fun at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Guess ill be in a minority of one here but just dont get to that state. Dont overeat, people get to be bariatric through consuming vastly more calories than they use. Yeah, theres some medical conditions complicate the issue but the majority of them are weight related. And, NO, the nhs should not foot the bill for elective weight loss surgery, i do not want wards being filled, theatres booked out, staff overworked because of gluttony. "

But then you will have wards filled with those having legs etc cut off due to excess weight and diabetus. And other related illness which will be long term. It makes economical sense to do the weight surgery asap therefore saving money.

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Guess ill be in a minority of one here but just dont get to that state. Dont overeat, people get to be bariatric through consuming vastly more calories than they use. Yeah, theres some medical conditions complicate the issue but the majority of them are weight related. And, NO, the nhs should not foot the bill for elective weight loss surgery, i do not want wards being filled, theatres booked out, staff overworked because of gluttony. "

But the smokers, the drinkers, the idiot drivers, the risk takers the sportsmen are all welcome ?

Everything you do is a health risk to some degree.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Guess ill be in a minority of one here but just dont get to that state. Dont overeat, people get to be bariatric through consuming vastly more calories than they use. Yeah, theres some medical conditions complicate the issue but the majority of them are weight related. And, NO, the nhs should not foot the bill for elective weight loss surgery, i do not want wards being filled, theatres booked out, staff overworked because of gluttony. "

its all very well saying that now, classic shut the door after the horse as bolted statement.

What about the people that did get there, for whatever reason. This is the result for those that have listened to the 'hey fatty....eat less' calls that they have been hearing most of their life.

They have done that and STILL have a way to go before they are happy. i can see wy some put weight back on after watching that programme. They were happy when they were fat but they lost weight to feel good about their body but they cant because of what their weight loss has left behind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People dont have legs amputated becuase of their weight, and diabetes is a weight, diet related illness thats is on a meteoric rise through overeating. Dont overeat, look after yourself and no diabetes. People overeat, get obese, overeat, get depressed, overeat, get diabetes, chd,their lungs fail, so what do they do...... comfort eat !!!!!!!!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"People dont have legs amputated becuase of their weight, and diabetes is a weight, diet related illness thats is on a meteoric rise through overeating. Dont overeat, look after yourself and no diabetes. People overeat, get obese, overeat, get depressed, overeat, get diabetes, chd,their lungs fail, so what do they do...... comfort eat !!!!!!!!!"

psst.....there are thousands of skinny diabetics!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People dont have legs amputated becuase of their weight, and diabetes is a weight, diet related illness thats is on a meteoric rise through overeating. Dont overeat, look after yourself and no diabetes. People overeat, get obese, overeat, get depressed, overeat, get diabetes, chd,their lungs fail, so what do they do...... comfort eat !!!!!!!!!"

It must be lovely to be so perfect and then preach to those who ,for whatever reason have a problem....Drug addicts get help....smokers get help....alcoholics get help.....all addictions. Food can be addictive but you cant live without food. You can with the others ...So why no help ?

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"People dont have legs amputated becuase of their weight, and diabetes is a weight, diet related illness thats is on a meteoric rise through overeating. Dont overeat, look after yourself and no diabetes. People overeat, get obese, overeat, get depressed, overeat, get diabetes, chd,their lungs fail, so what do they do...... comfort eat !!!!!!!!!"

Interesting are you aware there are two forms of diabetes and no amount of diet can stop you being a type 1 ?

Also while diet is a factor in type 2's its not the ONLY factor there are many reasons why someone can develop type 2 diabetes, not just poor diet.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People dont have legs amputated becuase of their weight, and diabetes is a weight, diet related illness thats is on a meteoric rise through overeating. Dont overeat, look after yourself and no diabetes. People overeat, get obese, overeat, get depressed, overeat, get diabetes, chd,their lungs fail, so what do they do...... comfort eat !!!!!!!!!

psst.....there are thousands of skinny diabetics!!"

Oh i know, i was just trying to say that the wards would be full of other related problems if surgery isnt done to those who need the most help.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"People dont have legs amputated becuase of their weight, and diabetes is a weight, diet related illness thats is on a meteoric rise through overeating. Dont overeat, look after yourself and no diabetes. People overeat, get obese, overeat, get depressed, overeat, get diabetes, chd,their lungs fail, so what do they do...... comfort eat !!!!!!!!!

It must be lovely to be so perfect and then preach to those who ,for whatever reason have a problem....Drug addicts get help....smokers get help....alcoholics get help.....all addictions. Food can be addictive but you cant live without food. You can with the others ...So why no help ? "

oh come on peaches....we all know that everybody has the same body chemistry and metabolism and genetics etc so the ONLY variable has to be diet

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over a year ago

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"People dont have legs amputated becuase of their weight, and diabetes is a weight, diet related illness thats is on a meteoric rise through overeating. Dont overeat, look after yourself and no diabetes. People overeat, get obese, overeat, get depressed, overeat, get diabetes, chd,their lungs fail, so what do they do...... comfort eat !!!!!!

psst.....there are thousands of skinny diabetics!!"

its more difficult for diabetics to lose weight

strain on the NHS but overweight people NEED help

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"People dont have legs amputated becuase of their weight, and diabetes is a weight, diet related illness thats is on a meteoric rise through overeating. Dont overeat, look after yourself and no diabetes. People overeat, get obese, overeat, get depressed, overeat, get diabetes, chd,their lungs fail, so what do they do...... comfort eat !!!!!!!!!"

So what do you suggest for those who are already overweight and trying to do something about it?

It's easy to crow that it was avoidable, (and that in itself is a whole other argument), but that doesn't help much after the fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yip, all valid points but not many obese type 1`s around. Its overeating, gluttony, greed, plain and simple. Im not perfect, far from it but i do respect myself and cant understand why people let themselves get so morbidly obese,

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x."

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally agree

though some people DO have addictions and food is one of them.

Im not saying ALL should have the surgery but on occasions its needed

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"People dont have legs amputated becuase of their weight, and diabetes is a weight, diet related illness thats is on a meteoric rise through overeating. Dont overeat, look after yourself and no diabetes. People overeat, get obese, overeat, get depressed, overeat, get diabetes, chd,their lungs fail, so what do they do...... comfort eat !!!!!!!!!

It must be lovely to be so perfect and then preach to those who ,for whatever reason have a problem....Drug addicts get help....smokers get help....alcoholics get help.....all addictions. Food can be addictive but you cant live without food. You can with the others ...So why no help ?

oh come on peaches....we all know that everybody has the same body chemistry and metabolism and genetics etc so the ONLY variable has to be diet"

I *love* the "it's easy for me, so it should be easy for you and you're crap if you can't do it" brigade.

It only seems to apply to weight though.

These super-people would soon defend their lack of ability to be a rocket scientist by pointing out that everyone is different and has different abilities.

The only people who understand weight issues are those that have them, and we're dismissed as just being lazy and greedy.

Sad situation.

Eventually it will be better understood, I hope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

"
lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

"

He doesn't need meets, he loves himself plenty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yip, all valid points but not many obese type 1`s around. Its overeating, gluttony, greed, plain and simple. Im not perfect, far from it but i do respect myself and cant understand why people let themselves get so morbidly obese,

"

Have you ever been 10st+ overweight? No? Then you will never ever understand.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"Yip, all valid points but not many obese type 1`s around. Its overeating, gluttony, greed, plain and simple. Im not perfect, far from it but i do respect myself and cant understand why people let themselves get so morbidly obese,

"

because the more weight they put on the less mobile so the more weight goes on viscous circle

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Yip, all valid points but not many obese type 1`s around. Its overeating, gluttony, greed, plain and simple. Im not perfect, far from it but i do respect myself and cant understand why people let themselves get so morbidly obese,

"

they are not asking you to understand it....most of them dont understand themselves (they understand the eating the wrong things bit but not the why). The mind and body are complex things.

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x."

I have never in my life met someone so self unaware and oblivious, its a pretty impressive talent you have there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yip, all valid points but not many obese type 1`s around. Its overeating, gluttony, greed, plain and simple. Im not perfect, far from it but i do respect myself and cant understand why people let themselves get so morbidly obese,

"

Im with you on that, i put on weight and it was my doing. So i did something about it. I couldnt ever imagine getting the stage some do.....? But by doing nothing....no one will come out the winner because it will cost the nhs twice the amount in the long run.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x."

A lot of women aren't into guys with enormous egos.

Muscles are great. Big heads not so much.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x.

I have never in my life met someone so self unaware and oblivious, its a pretty impressive talent you have there.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Yip, all valid points but not many obese type 1`s around. Its overeating, gluttony, greed, plain and simple. Im not perfect, far from it but i do respect myself and cant understand why people let themselves get so morbidly obese,

they are not asking you to understand it....most of them dont understand themselves (they understand the eating the wrong things bit but not the why). The mind and body are complex things."
Some people just have a very unhealthy relationship with food.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Yip, all valid points but not many obese type 1`s around. Its overeating, gluttony, greed, plain and simple. Im not perfect, far from it but i do respect myself and cant understand why people let themselves get so morbidly obese,

Have you ever been 10st+ overweight? No? Then you will never ever understand."

The most I've been is 6st overweight, and trust me, I understand all too well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My niece had gastric surgery last year on the NHS. She had many health problems relating to her size. she had a mask to put on to prevent her from stopping breathing when she lay down.

She has lost about 10 stone but surgery is not an easy option. She can only eat a very tiny portion of food, she can't have a drink with food. Her hair is falling out and her skin is sallow due to lack of vitamins, she takes supplements but its not enough.

She can never go out to eat socially and will always have a problem with food. She has got excess skin but not as bad as those shown.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x.

I have never in my life met someone so self unaware and oblivious, its a pretty impressive talent you have there.

"
Well everything is a first I guess, got gym tomorow as well, as the summer get closer my body will be beach ready x.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a Lovely Lady i used to work with had a Bypass. she lost a hell of a lot. got married. but still was not happy and sadly committed suicide it was devastating

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London


"Guess ill be in a minority of one here but just dont get to that state. Dont overeat, people get to be bariatric through consuming vastly more calories than they use. Yeah, theres some medical conditions complicate the issue but the majority of them are weight related. And, NO, the nhs should not foot the bill for elective weight loss surgery, i do not want wards being filled, theatres booked out, staff overworked because of gluttony. "

Do you think the obese actively CHOOSE to be that way, wake up one day and say 'fuck it, I think I'll be a fat bastard from now on'?

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By *ingjayMan
over a year ago

exeter


"Don't crash diet, don't have gastric band, best way to lose weight and keep your skin tight n fresh is excersise, it's also the hardest way, but sit ups, crunches a full blown fitness regime........ People slate girls that have perfect bodies ect but the ones I know put a he'll of a lot of work into getting them and keeping them, a lot of work!!!!! this is fine for people who can exercise,I have a spine injury which stops me from doing such things xx"

There are many many many excersises you can probably still do, if you can have sex then there's an example

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x."

I wont meet muscle men as id worry about him seeing every bulge that shouldn't be there lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Guess ill be in a minority of one here but just dont get to that state. Dont overeat, people get to be bariatric through consuming vastly more calories than they use. Yeah, theres some medical conditions complicate the issue but the majority of them are weight related. And, NO, the nhs should not foot the bill for elective weight loss surgery, i do not want wards being filled, theatres booked out, staff overworked because of gluttony.

Do you think the obese actively CHOOSE to be that way, wake up one day and say 'fuck it, I think I'll be a fat bastard from now on'?"

Im sure some think like that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x.

I wont meet muscle men as id worry about him seeing every bulge that shouldn't be there lol

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lol I see, personally I like all kinds of women x.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yip, all valid points but not many obese type 1`s around. Its overeating, gluttony, greed, plain and simple. Im not perfect, far from it but i do respect myself and cant understand why people let themselves get so morbidly obese,

Have you ever been 10st+ overweight? No? Then you will never ever understand.

The most I've been is 6st overweight, and trust me, I understand all too well. "

Me too. x

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Yip, all valid points but not many obese type 1`s around. Its overeating, gluttony, greed, plain and simple. Im not perfect, far from it but i do respect myself and cant understand why people let themselves get so morbidly obese,

they are not asking you to understand it....most of them dont understand themselves (they understand the eating the wrong things bit but not the why). The mind and body are complex things.Some people just have a very unhealthy relationship with food."

true.

I do. I have a feeling of fairness when it comes to food. My ex used to eat massive portions and even though i knew i didnt need to eat what he was eating i felt short changed if i had less on my plate.

this is also the reason for my lack of will power. i work with a lot of slim women who eat biscuits and cakes etc at work....in my mind i have massive arguments with myself over why i can't have it if they can. Like i said....its a never ending battle.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I'm getting it, I think.

Fat people are to be left fat, and mocked and disrespected, unless they manage somehow to resolve the issue themselves and lose the weight. Then they should be left with baggy skin and any other problems because they deserve to suffer for becoming fat in the first place.

Fat people should be punished dammit.

21st century? Western world? Who'd have thought it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm getting it, I think.

Fat people are to be left fat, and mocked and disrespected, unless they manage somehow to resolve the issue themselves and lose the weight. Then they should be left with baggy skin and any other problems because they deserve to suffer for becoming fat in the first place.

Fat people should be punished dammit.

21st century? Western world? Who'd have thought it?"

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x.

I wont meet muscle men as id worry about him seeing every bulge that shouldn't be there lol

lol I see, personally I like all kinds of women x."

You'll shag *any* woman. You've posted numerous times that you "aren't fussy".

You don't seem to realise that in itself will put loads of women off!

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

it will be funny in 40-50 years when being thin is the minority rare thing.

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x.

I wont meet muscle men as id worry about him seeing every bulge that shouldn't be there lol

lol I see, personally I like all kinds of women x.

You'll shag *any* woman. You've posted numerous times that you "aren't fussy".

You don't seem to realise that in itself will put loads of women off!"

Self awareness serious critical lack of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sad people let themselves get to that size but it seems unfair they don't get help from the NHS when they loose weight on their own without an opp after all it will probably save in NHS costs if they had kept the weight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x.

I wont meet muscle men as id worry about him seeing every bulge that shouldn't be there lol

lol I see, personally I like all kinds of women x.

You'll shag *any* woman. You've posted numerous times that you "aren't fussy".

You don't seem to realise that in itself will put loads of women off!"
I know but then I post those just for fun x.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Sad people let themselves get to that size but it seems unfair they don't get help from the NHS when they loose weight on their own without an opp after all it will probably save in NHS costs if they had kept the weight. "

I don't often agree with you Monte, but to that.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"My niece had gastric surgery last year on the NHS. She had many health problems relating to her size. she had a mask to put on to prevent her from stopping breathing when she lay down.

She has lost about 10 stone but surgery is not an easy option. She can only eat a very tiny portion of food, she can't have a drink with food. Her hair is falling out and her skin is sallow due to lack of vitamins, she takes supplements but its not enough.

She can never go out to eat socially and will always have a problem with food. She has got excess skin but not as bad as those shown.

"

my grandad essentially had a bypass a few years ago as a result of a nasty infection after another surgery. I must stress that this was not elected bariatric surgery.

He panics now when he goes out to eat orround to someone's house because he is worried about eating in front of people. He eats very little and doesnt want to appear rude or make people feel awkward if he is not eating when they are.

He has lost a lot of weight as a result.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x.

I wont meet muscle men as id worry about him seeing every bulge that shouldn't be there lol

lol I see, personally I like all kinds of women x.

You'll shag *any* woman. You've posted numerous times that you "aren't fussy".

You don't seem to realise that in itself will put loads of women off!

Self awareness serious critical lack of it.

"
lol anyway I wont argue x.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"it will be funny in 40-50 years when being thin is the minority rare thing.

"

i truely hope that never happens

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

saggy skin can cause a lot of problems ie bingo wings can chafe ... folds of skin that hang don't allow the skin to breathe causing skin irritations

stops exercising as the weight still hinders

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x.

I wont meet muscle men as id worry about him seeing every bulge that shouldn't be there lol

lol I see, personally I like all kinds of women x.

You'll shag *any* woman. You've posted numerous times that you "aren't fussy".

You don't seem to realise that in itself will put loads of women off! I know but then I post those just for fun x."

beware what you post it will bite you on your toned up arse lol

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x.

I wont meet muscle men as id worry about him seeing every bulge that shouldn't be there lol

lol I see, personally I like all kinds of women x.

You'll shag *any* woman. You've posted numerous times that you "aren't fussy".

You don't seem to realise that in itself will put loads of women off!

Self awareness serious critical lack of it.

lol anyway I wont argue x."

You think you actually can argue with two women telling you how they perceive your posts?

Firstly, you know how you intend your posts but you can't know how they are perceived unless you are told.

Secondly, we're giving our opinions. You can disagree with those but they remain our opinions.

You are your own worst enemy when it comes to getting meets.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"it will be funny in 40-50 years when being thin is the minority rare thing.

i truely hope that never happens"

Me too, but things are looking a bit alarming in that regard.

It doesn't help that a lot of the diet, nutrition and health advice given out by the government is influenced strongly by market forces and lobby groups.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

nutrition and healthy eating should be given priority in schools

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got a 6pack, the gym is the best medicine x.

clearly the key to your numerous successful meets.

lol no, its just that most women are not into muscle guys x.

I wont meet muscle men as id worry about him seeing every bulge that shouldn't be there lol

lol I see, personally I like all kinds of women x.

You'll shag *any* woman. You've posted numerous times that you "aren't fussy".

You don't seem to realise that in itself will put loads of women off!

Self awareness serious critical lack of it.

lol anyway I wont argue x.

You think you actually can argue with two women telling you how they perceive your posts?

Firstly, you know how you intend your posts but you can't know how they are perceived unless you are told.

Secondly, we're giving our opinions. You can disagree with those but they remain our opinions.

You are your own worst enemy when it comes to getting meets. "
YEs thats fine, but I dont want it to be another 100 post thing again, we know the ratio is 400 men to 1 woman lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it will be funny in 40-50 years when being thin is the minority rare thing.

i truely hope that never happens

Me too, but things are looking a bit alarming in that regard.

It doesn't help that a lot of the diet, nutrition and health advice given out by the government is influenced strongly by market forces and lobby groups."

Who make a hell of a lot of money out of the nation being fat. they wouldnt like it if everyone suddenly became slim ad didnt buy all the crap thats sold....in the name of "diet food" etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think many obese people are addicted, just like with fags and booze. There usually something else going on upstairs if you are 30 stone and counting, I see it as an illness, no different than bulimia or anorexia, but with a hell of alot more judgmental people and scorn to deal with.

We have been pushed into low fat this low fat that, the real danger is Sugar, were a nation of sugar addicts,it's in everything, and that is what is feeding (scuse the pun) this obesity epidemic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sad people let themselves get to that size but it seems unfair they don't get help from the NHS when they loose weight on their own without an opp after all it will probably save in NHS costs if they had kept the weight. "

I feel for people that have put in the effort to lose weight and are left with saggy skin, it must be demoralising.

But I don't think it's right for it to be fixed by the NHS. Having said that I'm more in favour of helping people that have helped themselves than I am of fat people being issued with mobility scooters etc. when what they need is more exercise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't crash diet, don't have gastric band, best way to lose weight and keep your skin tight n fresh is excersise, it's also the hardest way, but sit ups, crunches a full blown fitness regime........ People slate girls that have perfect bodies ect but the ones I know put a he'll of a lot of work into getting them and keeping them, a lot of work!!!!! "

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Sad people let themselves get to that size but it seems unfair they don't get help from the NHS when they loose weight on their own without an opp after all it will probably save in NHS costs if they had kept the weight.

I feel for people that have put I the effort to lose weight and are left with saggy skin, it must be demoralising.

But I don't think it's right for it to be fixed by the NHS. Having said that I'm more in favour of helping people that have helped themselves than I am of fat people being issued with mobility scooters etc. when what they need is more exercise."

So do you say the same to alcoholics who have liver transplants or people who get skin cancer from over exposure to the sun or to lung cancer patients that smoked but want chemo?

I think there is a balancing act in the NHS over these things. I personally wouldn't accept bariatric surgery unless it was the very last avenue. Some people are looking for the magic fixes and the special pills that make cake calorie free and it just ain't gonna happen. My mum has tried everything going including diet pills that were essentially speed.

Mobility scooters are part of this balance. They give people freedom and independence. When you are that size you have more problems than just your weight. Isolation, loneliness, depression etc which can be alleviated by getting out and about. I do think that perhaps their use should be approved after an agreement is reached for that person to lose some Wright in conjunction Sith a weight management team who can show them some safe exercises to do.

Peterborough hospital (I think) made their staff wear fat suits to help them appreciate how much of a struggle certain tasks were when just slightly over weight. Even beloved Dr Christian from embarrassing bodies wore one and said it gave him greater insight into the problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You see that's what my problem is - its not an illness and I don't believe it should be treated as such.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"You see that's what my problem is - its not an illness and I don't believe it should be treated as such."

Being overweight is not an illness but then drinking and smoking aren't illnesses either but they all result in medical problems at some stage that put pressure on the NHS.

Some people cam be overweight and never have any illness in their life related to being over weight. So can smokers and alcoholics.

Do we treat the symptom or the cause?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't see how issuing a mobility scooter helps somebody that is best helped by doing more exercise.

I thought the fat suit thing was nonsense too.

We've become a society of excuses where everything can be blamed or attributed to anything other than our own actions. Just a whole load of 'victims'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that if you are literally eating yourself to death, not being able to wash yourself, wipe your bum, go outside or stand up for any length of time, have no quality of life and still cannot stop eating and diet and make a change then there is something else going on that needs to be addressed just the same as someone starving themselves to death. I think it's too easy to just say that person is just greedy and needs to stop eating.

find out why they can't stop eating and how it has got to that point. I feel like it is an addiction, compulsion or whatever and whatever is going on mentally needs to be investigated just as much as whatever is going on physically. You often find when obese loose weight they transfer than addiction or deep unhappiness onto something else but they haven't dealt with whatever was troubling them in the first place.

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham


"I think many obese people are addicted, just like with fags and booze. There usually something else going on upstairs if you are 30 stone and counting, I see it as an illness, no different than bulimia or anorexia, but with a hell of alot more judgmental people and scorn to deal with.

We have been pushed into low fat this low fat that, the real danger is Sugar, were a nation of sugar addicts,it's in everything, and that is what is feeding (scuse the pun) this obesity epidemic. "

This ^^^

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham


"I'm getting it, I think.

Fat people are to be left fat, and mocked and disrespected, unless they manage somehow to resolve the issue themselves and lose the weight. Then they should be left with baggy skin and any other problems because they deserve to suffer for becoming fat in the first place.

Fat people should be punished dammit.

21st century? Western world? Who'd have thought it?"

Bravo!! *applauds*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well reading through there is a lot of reference to how hard it is and other such excuses. It is hard to lose weight and get fit - but then it's supposed to be!

It makes sense to help people with other issues - but I still think a large part of the problem is people hoping the problem can be solved for them, rather than getting up and doing something about it themselves.

I agree that breast enlargements etc. should not be on the NHS either.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

The surgery to remove excess skin is not generally available on the nhs because it is incredibly high risk, partially due to the length of time the patient is anesthetized and the major blood loss and hence the risk of death is very high for what is considered to be a primarily cosmetic procedure.

Every hospital has criteria before they will operate which offsets the health benefits against the risks and expense.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Yes, losing weight is difficult. However, what is being overlooked, or simply disbelieved, is that it genuinely is much more difficult for some than for others.

We all know people who can eat mountains of junk and stay slim. There are also those that gain weight very easily and seem to need to limit themselves to a very restricted diet to remain slim. It's difficult not to feel deprived if you're in the latter category.

There are now at least 10 known genetic markers that are involved in obesity. The more you have, the more likely to be obese you are and the harder you have to work to be slim.

As yet it's unknown how those genetic differences affect appetite/metabolism/weight, but it's a fact, not an excuse.

It's easy to say that to lose weight one needs to eat less and move more but there comes a point where what someone eats needs to be reduced so severely that they have just as miserable an existence as fat people.

It's not as easy as saying calories in needs to be less than calories burned. It's only those who find weight management easier that think it is.

There is a lot we don't yet understand about this subject. And a lot we're not told because it doesn't suit the diet industry and the potato farmers lobbyists and the dairy farmers lobbyists, etc.

Nobody should be expected to half starve themselves and lead a miserable existence to remain slim. If that's necessary, there's a problem somewhere and they should have a right to receive help.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Yip, all valid points but not many obese type 1`s around. Its overeating, gluttony, greed, plain and simple. Im not perfect, far from it but i do respect myself and cant understand why people let themselves get so morbidly obese,

Have you ever been 10st+ overweight? No? Then you will never ever understand.

The most I've been is 6st overweight, and trust me, I understand all too well. "

People don't suddenly go from being normal ish weight to being 6 or 10 stone overweight.

The weight goes on a pound at a time and the longer someone leaves doing something about it, the harder it is to get it off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I loved that first wedding dress she tried on."

Same here, she looked gorgeous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yip, all valid points but not many obese type 1`s around. Its overeating, gluttony, greed, plain and simple. Im not perfect, far from it but i do respect myself and cant understand why people let themselves get so morbidly obese,

they are not asking you to understand it....most of them dont understand themselves (they understand the eating the wrong things bit but not the why). The mind and body are complex things.Some people just have a very unhealthy relationship with food.

true.

I do. I have a feeling of fairness when it comes to food. My ex used to eat massive portions and even though i knew i didnt need to eat what he was eating i felt short changed if i had less on my plate.

this is also the reason for my lack of will power. i work with a lot of slim women who eat biscuits and cakes etc at work....in my mind i have massive arguments with myself over why i can't have it if they can. Like i said....its a never ending battle."

Perhaps these women compensate elsewhere as I do. You see 3 days per work I work shifts in a pub, I leave the day job at 5 pm drive home, sit for 10 mins then leave to get to the pub for 6 pm so I don't eat an evening meal on those 3 days per week. Some weeks I have driven from the day job straight to the pub to cover someone, on occasions I have worked every evening, and so I don't have dinner. When I get home from the pub at 10.30 pm ish, I don't want a meal and just have nothing or a bag of crisps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But however it's dressed up its still excuses for not doing what needs doing.

I don't believe it helps to help or encourage people to regard themselves as victims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NIp down Sainsburys and slap the flab on the bacon slicer. A couple of Mr Men plasters for the wound. Sorted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, losing weight is difficult. However, what is being overlooked, or simply disbelieved, is that it genuinely is much more difficult for some than for others.

We all know people who can eat mountains of junk and stay slim. There are also those that gain weight very easily and seem to need to limit themselves to a very restricted diet to remain slim. It's difficult not to feel deprived if you're in the latter category.

There are now at least 10 known genetic markers that are involved in obesity. The more you have, the more likely to be obese you are and the harder you have to work to be slim.

As yet it's unknown how those genetic differences affect appetite/metabolism/weight, but it's a fact, not an excuse.

It's easy to say that to lose weight one needs to eat less and move more but there comes a point where what someone eats needs to be reduced so severely that they have just as miserable an existence as fat people.

It's not as easy as saying calories in needs to be less than calories burned. It's only those who find weight management easier that think it is.

There is a lot we don't yet understand about this subject. And a lot we're not told because it doesn't suit the diet industry and the potato farmers lobbyists and the dairy farmers lobbyists, etc.

Nobody should be expected to half starve themselves and lead a miserable existence to remain slim. If that's necessary, there's a problem somewhere and they should have a right to receive help."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nobody should be expected to half starve themselves and lead a miserable existence to remain slim"

Seriously? 'half starved'?!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"NIp down Sainsburys and slap the flab on the bacon slicer. A couple of Mr Men plasters for the wound. Sorted"

Don't be daft Ben. It's all pre-packed these days.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"Well reading through there is a lot of reference to how hard it is and other such excuses. It is hard to lose weight and get fit - but then it's supposed to be!

It makes sense to help people with other issues - but I still think a large part of the problem is people hoping the problem can be solved for them, rather than getting up and doing something about it themselves.

I agree that breast enlargements etc. should not be on the NHS either."

totally agree!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the last twenty years the average dress size has gone up to a 16. Ten years ago it was a 14 and ten years before that a 12.

What has happened in that time? We were getting over the recession of the early nineties and have experienced another since. This means a rise in unemployment and a wider divide between the haves and have nots. People are having to buy the cheapest foods to sustain their families.

Education tells us that organic foods and unprocessed foods are much healthier for us. Unfortunately the healthier foods are often out of the reach of those on a budget. Go to any supermarket and you can ascertain this for yourself: white pasta/bread/rice is cheaper than brown/wholemeal varieties. Organic foods are far more expensive than modified foodstuffs.

Add to this the fact that society is so rushed nowadays, look at our lunch time, we get a half hour. Certainly no time for something healthy unless you do a healthy pack-up for lunch. Otherwise you grab something on the run.

Another aspect of our rushed society is people working more than one job and having no time to cook the proper dinners our parents and grand-parents would do. So we find cheap microwave dinners. These meals are mass produced and far far cheaper than cooking a wholesome meal for one/two. These foods are made tasty with a high content of sugar/salt and fat. Carbohydrate foods are cheaper than foods high in protein so this country eats masses of carbs which a high percentage sugars.

The body is designed to work at breaking down foods but if we eat processed foods we are making our bodies lazy and not needing the fuel we supply it.

Also in our society we live in perpetual fear so our children cannot roam the streets like we could, and add this to the rise of technology: the years of the gamers. Okay yes we have wii fit and the like to try and help...

In summary:

* we are less active in our younger years.

*Majority of population has to budget so cheap foods are mass produced and cheaper to buy.

*These foods are less healthy due to "taste" additives (sugar etc).

Also, low fat foods aren't necessarily the better alternative as we NEED good fats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd condense that down to..

We have become wealthier, fatter, lazier and less inclined to help ourselves (unless it's to extra cake).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd condense that down to..

We have become wealthier, fatter, lazier and less inclined to help ourselves (unless it's to extra cake)."

Speak for yourself! You obviously don't have to budget to feed yourself (and family?).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How is that obvious?

Do you know the price of carrots at the local market? Budget is no excuse. In fact I look at the size of some people and wonder how they can afford to sustain it.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Nobody should be expected to half starve themselves and lead a miserable existence to remain slim

Seriously? 'half starved'?!"

Yes, seriously, half starved. You clearly have no idea what it takes or would take for some people to remain slim.

Certainly there are a lot of people out there who are fat because they eat enormous quantities of food and do no exercise.

There are also people who have a much more difficult time remaining slim than others do.

This "it's easy, eat less, move more" and "don't make excuses" stuff is just a form of "I'm slim" snobbery. "I'm better than you because you're fat". If you don't understand the issues fat people face and the particular problems that some have that make staying slim so much more difficult than it is for you, then your disbelief at being told how it is, and your disparaging comments are really just fat shaming and bullying.

If you want fat people to be able to help themselves, try being encoraging or at least not dismissive rather than trying to make us feel ashamed of ourselves.

People are more successful in making changes when they are happy and believe it themselves.

The basic upshot is that you can believe what you like but it doesn't change the fact that some overweight people have far more to contend with, in terms of losing the weight, than you can imagine.

I abhor smug slim people who get all uppitt about what fat people should do when they've no clue about the situation of those people.

If you want to pick on someone, pick on drug addicts, or even smokers. They do far more harm to others than fat people and are also a drain on the NHS and the emergency services.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"How is that obvious?

Do you know the price of carrots at the local market? Budget is no excuse. In fact I look at the size of some people and wonder how they can afford to sustain it."

Again, total lack of awareness of real life.

It must be lovely in your little bubble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you know I have no idea?

You know nothing about me at all. All you have are your own assumptions.

Anybody that's 'half starved' will not need to worry themselves about being overweight.

I don't believe I've ever suggested that anybody slim is 'better' than somebody fat. That says more for your own state of mind than mine.

I abhor people that fail to take responsibility for their own actions and then complain that people don't understand how difficult it is for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Skin is like elastic stretch it out for too long it just doesn't go back to normal.

Losing weight quickly doesn't leave saggy skin it depends on the period of time and your skins elasticity.

Losing weight is good for your health regardless of the saggy skin.

I've just lost four stone and have awful stomach and underarms but I want to see my children grow up and my grandchildren. Small price to pay!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How is that obvious?

Do you know the price of carrots at the local market? Budget is no excuse. In fact I look at the size of some people and wonder how they can afford to sustain it.

Again, total lack of awareness of real life.

It must be lovely in your little bubble."

It is.

You'll find the carrots are considerably cheaper, and fresher than at the supermarket.

But that doesn't sit comfortably with the victim of circumstances argument does it?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Clueless.com

I've said what I have to say. Some people really do have no idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How is that obvious?

Do you know the price of carrots at the local market? Budget is no excuse. In fact I look at the size of some people and wonder how they can afford to sustain it.

Again, total lack of awareness of real life.

It must be lovely in your little bubble.

It is.

You'll find the carrots are considerably cheaper, and fresher than at the supermarket.

But that doesn't sit comfortably with the victim of circumstances argument does it?"

Ok let's have carrot soup, carrot stew, roast carrot...

A healthy diet consists of the five food groups... go on carry on the list...

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"In the last twenty years the average dress size has gone up to a 16. Ten years ago it was a 14 and ten years before that a 12.

What has happened in that time? We were getting over the recession of the early nineties and have experienced another since. This means a rise in unemployment and a wider divide between the haves and have nots. People are having to buy the cheapest foods to sustain their families.

Education tells us that organic foods and unprocessed foods are much healthier for us. Unfortunately the healthier foods are often out of the reach of those on a budget. Go to any supermarket and you can ascertain this for yourself: white pasta/bread/rice is cheaper than brown/wholemeal varieties. Organic foods are far more expensive than modified foodstuffs.

Add to this the fact that society is so rushed nowadays, look at our lunch time, we get a half hour. Certainly no time for something healthy unless you do a healthy pack-up for lunch. Otherwise you grab something on the run.

Another aspect of our rushed society is people working more than one job and having no time to cook the proper dinners our parents and grand-parents would do. So we find cheap microwave dinners. These meals are mass produced and far far cheaper than cooking a wholesome meal for one/two. These foods are made tasty with a high content of sugar/salt and fat. Carbohydrate foods are cheaper than foods high in protein so this country eats masses of carbs which a high percentage sugars.

The body is designed to work at breaking down foods but if we eat processed foods we are making our bodies lazy and not needing the fuel we supply it.

Also in our society we live in perpetual fear so our children cannot roam the streets like we could, and add this to the rise of technology: the years of the gamers. Okay yes we have wii fit and the like to try and help...

In summary:

* we are less active in our younger years.

*Majority of population has to budget so cheap foods are mass produced and cheaper to buy.

*These foods are less healthy due to "taste" additives (sugar etc).

Also, low fat foods aren't necessarily the better alternative as we NEED good fats.

"

Take a look two generations back - both sets of my grandparents were poor. All were slim until their early 70s. All of them worked, and had little time to prepare food.

Also, they all had awful diets, in that they would eat anything and anything that was cheap - dripping, the rind off meat, sugar sandwiches, veg boiled until it had lost most of its nutrients.....

The two major differences between then and now are that then, food was expensive, now it is cheap (although now rents are expensive, so people still have no money) and an awful lot more people did heavily manual work.

Whilst the first is a factor, I think it is the second that has played the most part in increasing the weight of the nation - hardly any heavy manual jobs exist now, whereas then the majority of the working class were doing one. People now also tend not to move about for recreation, TVs, Computers, majority car ownership etc mean that we hardly leave the house if we don't want to, and if we do, we certainly don't walk much.

Instead we flap around demonising foodstuffs; and in certain cases whole macronutrients (used to be fat, now its carbs).

Point is, if we ate as much as we burned we would be much healthier, the quality of the foodstuff is secondary (see: the twinkie diet and the recent "eating only McDonalds but staying under 2000Kcal" experiment - in both weight was lost *and* bloodwork improved).

What needs to happen if we want to reverse the trend is the least popular option - exercise. Problem is, it is difficult to persuade people to do that voluntarily.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Nobody should be expected to half starve themselves and lead a miserable existence to remain slim

Seriously? 'half starved'?!

Yes, seriously, half starved. You clearly have no idea what it takes or would take for some people to remain slim.

"

I will buy 'half starved' if you are a female in the normal height range and eat 1300Kcal a day or less. If you are male, I will allow 1650Kcal.

If you are eating more than that you are not 'half-starved' (however - you may be eating more than that and still not eating enough to maintain your health, its just that you definitely aren't starving).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How is that obvious?

Do you know the price of carrots at the local market? Budget is no excuse. In fact I look at the size of some people and wonder how they can afford to sustain it.

Again, total lack of awareness of real life.

It must be lovely in your little bubble.

It is.

You'll find the carrots are considerably cheaper, and fresher than at the supermarket.

But that doesn't sit comfortably with the victim of circumstances argument does it?

Ok let's have carrot soup, carrot stew, roast carrot...

A healthy diet consists of the five food groups... go on carry on the list..."

That's your counter argument?!

Funnily enough you can buy rather more than just carrots! But I do like carrots. They made whistles with them on the One Show.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How is that obvious?

Do you know the price of carrots at the local market? Budget is no excuse. In fact I look at the size of some people and wonder how they can afford to sustain it.

Again, total lack of awareness of real life.

It must be lovely in your little bubble.

It is.

You'll find the carrots are considerably cheaper, and fresher than at the supermarket.

But that doesn't sit comfortably with the victim of circumstances argument does it?

Ok let's have carrot soup, carrot stew, roast carrot...

A healthy diet consists of the five food groups... go on carry on the list...

That's your counter argument?!

Funnily enough you can buy rather more than just carrots! But I do like carrots. They made whistles with them on the One Show."

It's not a counter argument, it's incitement for you to continue yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the last twenty years the average dress size has gone up to a 16. Ten years ago it was a 14 and ten years before that a 12.

What has happened in that time? We were getting over the recession of the early nineties and have experienced another since. This means a rise in unemployment and a wider divide between the haves and have nots. People are having to buy the cheapest foods to sustain their families.

Education tells us that organic foods and unprocessed foods are much healthier for us. Unfortunately the healthier foods are often out of the reach of those on a budget. Go to any supermarket and you can ascertain this for yourself: white pasta/bread/rice is cheaper than brown/wholemeal varieties. Organic foods are far more expensive than modified foodstuffs.

Add to this the fact that society is so rushed nowadays, look at our lunch time, we get a half hour. Certainly no time for something healthy unless you do a healthy pack-up for lunch. Otherwise you grab something on the run.

Another aspect of our rushed society is people working more than one job and having no time to cook the proper dinners our parents and grand-parents would do. So we find cheap microwave dinners. These meals are mass produced and far far cheaper than cooking a wholesome meal for one/two. These foods are made tasty with a high content of sugar/salt and fat. Carbohydrate foods are cheaper than foods high in protein so this country eats masses of carbs which a high percentage sugars.

The body is designed to work at breaking down foods but if we eat processed foods we are making our bodies lazy and not needing the fuel we supply it.

Also in our society we live in perpetual fear so our children cannot roam the streets like we could, and add this to the rise of technology: the years of the gamers. Okay yes we have wii fit and the like to try and help...

In summary:

* we are less active in our younger years.

*Majority of population has to budget so cheap foods are mass produced and cheaper to buy.

*These foods are less healthy due to "taste" additives (sugar etc).

Also, low fat foods aren't necessarily the better alternative as we NEED good fats.

Take a look two generations back - both sets of my grandparents were poor. All were slim until their early 70s. All of them worked, and had little time to prepare food.

Also, they all had awful diets, in that they would eat anything and anything that was cheap - dripping, the rind off meat, sugar sandwiches, veg boiled until it had lost most of its nutrients.....

The two major differences between then and now are that then, food was expensive, now it is cheap (although now rents are expensive, so people still have no money) and an awful lot more people did heavily manual work.

Whilst the first is a factor, I think it is the second that has played the most part in increasing the weight of the nation - hardly any heavy manual jobs exist now, whereas then the majority of the working class were doing one. People now also tend not to move about for recreation, TVs, Computers, majority car ownership etc mean that we hardly leave the house if we don't want to, and if we do, we certainly don't walk much.

Instead we flap around demonising foodstuffs; and in certain cases whole macronutrients (used to be fat, now its carbs).

Point is, if we ate as much as we burned we would be much healthier, the quality of the foodstuff is secondary (see: the twinkie diet and the recent "eating only McDonalds but staying under 2000Kcal" experiment - in both weight was lost *and* bloodwork improved).

What needs to happen if we want to reverse the trend is the least popular option - exercise. Problem is, it is difficult to persuade people to do that voluntarily. "

I disagree with what you say about meals. More meals were made from scratch in my parents' and grandparents' day and therefore more wholesome. Although the start of processed foods had started when I was young, I certainly recall fishfingers and burgers.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"

I disagree with what you say about meals. More meals were made from scratch in my parents' and grandparents' day and therefore more wholesome. Although the start of processed foods had started when I was young, I certainly recall fishfingers and burgers."

Your body doesn't care how wholesome it is or otherwise to put on weight all you need is a caloric surplus, to lose it a defeciet. Micronutrient balance, whilst important has little to do with weight gain or loss.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

when I was a kid we only had three meals a day with no snacking ready meals.. fast food and snacks are to blame don't even have to go round the shops now to buy rubbish with online shopping!!!

also we played outside so were more active

my hubby got himself a southern fried chicken wrap the other day 629 calories!!!!! the skin also does spring back more when younger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I disagree with what you say about meals. More meals were made from scratch in my parents' and grandparents' day and therefore more wholesome. Although the start of processed foods had started when I was young, I certainly recall fishfingers and burgers.

Your body doesn't care how wholesome it is or otherwise to put on weight all you need is a caloric surplus, to lose it a defeciet. Micronutrient balance, whilst important has little to do with weight gain or loss. "

That is rubbish. I class wholesome foods as non-processed. IE foods with a low GI number that the body uses calories in the process of digestion, before it gains the calories used as bodily fuel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Work out resting metabolic rate using one of the many calculators online

eat below that number of calories daily to avoid putting on weight.

If you want to lose weight, consume even less calories than you would if you were simply maintaining your current weight. Or exercise.

Obviously you can go a lot more in depth than that and not everyone is the same but that is one way to avoid putting on weight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Work out resting metabolic rate using one of the many calculators online

eat below that number of calories daily to avoid putting on weight.

If you want to lose weight, consume even less calories than you would if you were simply maintaining your current weight. Or exercise.

Obviously you can go a lot more in depth than that and not everyone is the same but that is one way to avoid putting on weight. "

I've moved this debate to an advice thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"also we played outside so were more active"

I agree this is a factor - along with dependance on the car, and less physical jobs, less manual work in the house etc. etc.

But we knew we were becoming more sedentary as a society long, long ago, and we've always known there are foods that will lead to us putting on weight if we don't burn it off.

Education and awareness are less of an issue than culture and attitudes.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"But however it's dressed up its still excuses for not doing what needs doing.

I don't believe it helps to help or encourage people to regard themselves as victims."

At the very base level of the argument you are right. Eat less and move more is the way to lose weight but I think it's naive to believe that that's it.

People develop unhealthy obsession with food yet it seems easier to accept that when it's got a label like anorexia or bulimia. People seem unable to understand the same thing happening with over eating and so label all fat people lazy.

I'm not saying that all fat people have psychological issues with food but is it really that hard to understand that for some it will take more than being told 'just eat less and move more'

Is it also so hard to understand that judgmental attitudes really don't have the desired effect on some people. It won't shame them into putting the cake down. It will make them cut a bigger slice.

I don't think most people are asking you to think of them as a victim. They are not askingyou to ccondone their weight. Just a bit of acceptance of the struggle they face in trying to lose weight. Tolerance maybe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree - and to some extent I empathise with the contrary reaction to being told what's good for you.

But if it's your life - your quality of life, your life expectancy - it's a bit lame to claim that people nagging you is causing you to eat more cake. And even if it does, at least accept that it was your choice - nobody forced fed it.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I agree - and to some extent I empathise with the contrary reaction to being told what's good for you.

But if it's your life - your quality of life, your life expectancy - it's a bit lame to claim that people nagging you is causing you to eat more cake. And even if it does, at least accept that it was your choice - nobody forced fed it."

And what about the other pooiints regarding obsessive behaviour around food and psychological reasons?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In 2007 I was average size then injured my spine at work and steadily gained weight due to lack of mobility,in 2009 I gave up the dreaded fags and within 2 years put over 3 stone on; I started being careful with what I was eating and my weight came down again;then last year I was put on to steroids for a medical condition and have ballooned again, Its depressing enough without people thinking im lazy or greedy,I don't want sympathy off anyone but a little bit of understanding would be nice now and then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree - and to some extent I empathise with the contrary reaction to being told what's good for you.

But if it's your life - your quality of life, your life expectancy - it's a bit lame to claim that people nagging you is causing you to eat more cake. And even if it does, at least accept that it was your choice - nobody forced fed it.

And what about the other pooiints regarding obsessive behaviour around food and psychological reasons?"

Do I think obsessive eating is a medical issue?

No.

I can see how depression for example may limit somebody from taking good care of themselves, including eating healthily. But the issue there is with their depression - the eating itself is not the disorder.

It has, however been labelled as an eating disorder now - and I don't think that's helpful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive been eating 1200 calories a day to loose a small amount of weight... There is no way im half staved.. It works and then I am able to maintain my calorie intake when at an ideal weight and keep it off.. if I want a treat I do exercise to burn off that amount of calories.. the diet is simple and healthy.. im not hungry as I eat things that fill me up (grains etc..) overall eating healthy meals costs less too.. although the shopping may cost more for the full shop the meals prepeared will cost much less per portion than the processed or ready packed stuff..

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I agree - and to some extent I empathise with the contrary reaction to being told what's good for you.

But if it's your life - your quality of life, your life expectancy - it's a bit lame to claim that people nagging you is causing you to eat more cake. And even if it does, at least accept that it was your choice - nobody forced fed it.

And what about the other pooiints regarding obsessive behaviour around food and psychological reasons?

Do I think obsessive eating is a medical issue?

No.

I can see how depression for example may limit somebody from taking good care of themselves, including eating healthily. But the issue there is with their depression - the eating itself is not the disorder.

It has, however been labelled as an eating disorder now - and I don't think that's helpful.

"

Surely then you dismiss anorexia and bulimiaas fdisorders as their issues are with their body dismorphia, not with the inability to eat?

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"I agree - and to some extent I empathise with the contrary reaction to being told what's good for you.

But if it's your life - your quality of life, your life expectancy - it's a bit lame to claim that people nagging you is causing you to eat more cake. And even if it does, at least accept that it was your choice - nobody forced fed it.

And what about the other pooiints regarding obsessive behaviour around food and psychological reasons?

Do I think obsessive eating is a medical issue?

No.

I can see how depression for example may limit somebody from taking good care of themselves, including eating healthily. But the issue there is with their depression - the eating itself is not the disorder.

It has, however been labelled as an eating disorder now - and I don't think that's helpful.

Surely then you dismiss anorexia and bulimiaas fdisorders as their issues are with their body dismorphia, not with the inability to eat?"
I thought they were also labelled Mental Illnesses as well?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I agree - and to some extent I empathise with the contrary reaction to being told what's good for you.

But if it's your life - your quality of life, your life expectancy - it's a bit lame to claim that people nagging you is causing you to eat more cake. And even if it does, at least accept that it was your choice - nobody forced fed it.

And what about the other pooiints regarding obsessive behaviour around food and psychological reasons?

Do I think obsessive eating is a medical issue?

No.

I can see how depression for example may limit somebody from taking good care of themselves, including eating healthily. But the issue there is with their depression - the eating itself is not the disorder.

It has, however been labelled as an eating disorder now - and I don't think that's helpful.

Surely then you dismiss anorexia and bulimiaas fdisorders as their issues are with their body dismorphia, not with the inability to eat?I thought they were also labelled Mental Illnesses as well?"

Possibly. My point is that if it is recognised that mental illness can be attributed to some people starving themselves to such an extent that they have to eat partially digested food for the rest of their lives is it really inconceivable that SOME fat people also have mental illnesses that drive them to over eat.

It's not natural to eat yourself to 40 odd stone (not my weight before some smart arse says something) just as its not natural to starve yourself to 4 stone.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"I agree - and to some extent I empathise with the contrary reaction to being told what's good for you.

But if it's your life - your quality of life, your life expectancy - it's a bit lame to claim that people nagging you is causing you to eat more cake. And even if it does, at least accept that it was your choice - nobody forced fed it.

And what about the other pooiints regarding obsessive behaviour around food and psychological reasons?

Do I think obsessive eating is a medical issue?

No.

I can see how depression for example may limit somebody from taking good care of themselves, including eating healthily. But the issue there is with their depression - the eating itself is not the disorder.

It has, however been labelled as an eating disorder now - and I don't think that's helpful.

Surely then you dismiss anorexia and bulimiaas fdisorders as their issues are with their body dismorphia, not with the inability to eat?I thought they were also labelled Mental Illnesses as well?

Possibly. My point is that if it is recognised that mental illness can be attributed to some people starving themselves to such an extent that they have to eat partially digested food for the rest of their lives is it really inconceivable that SOME fat people also have mental illnesses that drive them to over eat.

It's not natural to eat yourself to 40 odd stone (not my weight before some smart arse says something) just as its not natural to starve yourself to 4 stone. "
I think it goes back to my point earlier where I said some just have a very unhealthy relationship with food. Both being obese and extremely underweight bring health issues, when people say they are healthy and are either end of this scale, makes me question their mental well being. It stands to reason someone who is 5ft and say 30 stone is going to have on going health issues, same as someone who is 5ft and only 4 stone will have health issues, I have to say I do get exasperated with people that remain in denial, but thats just me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree - and to some extent I empathise with the contrary reaction to being told what's good for you.

But if it's your life - your quality of life, your life expectancy - it's a bit lame to claim that people nagging you is causing you to eat more cake. And even if it does, at least accept that it was your choice - nobody forced fed it.

And what about the other pooiints regarding obsessive behaviour around food and psychological reasons?

Do I think obsessive eating is a medical issue?

No.

I can see how depression for example may limit somebody from taking good care of themselves, including eating healthily. But the issue there is with their depression - the eating itself is not the disorder.

It has, however been labelled as an eating disorder now - and I don't think that's helpful.

Surely then you dismiss anorexia and bulimiaas fdisorders as their issues are with their body dismorphia, not with the inability to eat?"

A friend of mine died as an anorexic so I'm far from dismissive of eating disorders.

The reason I don't think the labelling is helpful is that it allows people to hide behind excuses that they justify through self diagnosis.

For a minority there are genuine issues. For the majority the issue is with themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not natural to eat yourself to 40 odd stone (not my weight before some smart arse says something) just as its not natural to starve yourself to 4 stone. "

Where's the cut off though for it to be so heavy that it can be deemed a disorder? 30+ stones? 20+?

I think it's a lot more difficult to starve yourself than to over indulge.

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