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By *ingjay OP Man
over a year ago

exeter

Got a friend who's just bought a new camera she's sells by me her old one, I just googled the new one she's getting abd it came up with some of the accessories, some lenese are over 1300! I asked her why do people spend Soo much on lenses lighting cameras ect and then just Photoshop the images anyway??

She's a prime one for it, I took hundreds of images on her camera of my daughter's birthday and about 12 made the cut, are all photographers such perfectionists?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what I understand its not all about the camera. It's knowing how to use it and how to capture the perfect picture. Which is why I stick to my phone camera or a regular digital camera. I leave the pro's to take the good stuff...

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By *ingjay OP Man
over a year ago

exeter

Ah she does and has taken some awesome pics of my daughter's, but to dismiss pretty much most of the pictures for minor imperfections and leave 12 photos of a 3 hour 6th birthday lol, bit too far!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love photography and have a reasonable priced dslr camera with lenses to match.these more expensive lenses/glass really are great for pin sharp images.they also capture images in raw format which can be edited beyond that of normal formats such as jpeg etc.

sorry I could bore you all nite on the subject

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I think I'll have to get a better camera. This one makes me look rough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think I'll have to get a better camera. This one makes me look rough

more like a fisheye lens.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"I think I'll have to get a better camera. This one makes me look rough

more like a fisheye lens.

One of those would be insane lol

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

For things like social events if its for a photo print then you pick the good pictures.

But for things like photo galleries shared with people who were there, then keeping more of the odd ones means more memories, i.e. difference between a snap and a pro-shot.

I've rescued a fair few pictures with post editing, from simple cropping to noise removal and light correction. Filters such as the Orton (think 70's soft porn filter) are great, as are ones that convert pictures to pencil type drawings. Selecting selecting the colour from a corset and turning the rest of the picture black and white is a great way to turn ordinary into something more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have cs5 and you can do some crazy stuff with that in raw.

user friendly too.

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

we bought a cheap (about £300) canon dslr thingy and a long(ish) range lens and it was the best money we ever spent on a camera

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hahaha. Yeah. 5 grand in kit, 2 grand in software and around 20 years worth of on the job training. Still learning though!!!

I think I speak for most pro's in saying we're a bit anal when it comes to perfection!!!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Hahaha. Yeah. 5 grand in kit, 2 grand in software and around 20 years worth of on the job training. Still learning though!!!

I think I speak for most pro's in saying we're a bit anal when it comes to perfection!!!"

Too bloody right...5 grand in bodies, 12 grand on lenses, a grand on Speedlites, a couple of grand on studio lighting. It soon adds up!

To answer the original question, if I shoot 300 images of a model, maybe 10 will make the cut. The ratio probably doubles if it's a live band shoot. Model shots get post-processed properly, band shots get the levels adjusted a little and cropped properly.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

And there's a Canon L Series 1200mm prime lens that costs about £100,000!

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

I will spend hours getting the right glamour shots of ladies checking the pose, the lighting, angles until its right.

Its tooks years to build up my camera's, video camera's, lights and other bits but its well worth it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nikon, Nikon, Nikon

Canon, Canon, Canon;

Just take your pics & enjoy, - it's not as if it's a soccer-like thing!!!

........although, "come on, Nikon!!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Back in the day (god I sound old), I had an Zenith SLR I bought for £5. The lens again I bought cheaply and took some fantastic pictures. The expensive camera & lens are just slightly better quality and will hopefully last longer.

It is knowing how to frame the picture, where the light is coming from and how best to use it.

Only good thing I find is you get to see the picture you took right away instead of waiting for the film to be developed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i only have a little old samsung wb150f. but i take a run of pics and choose the best,normally take about 30.and pick out around ten.and just crop them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just use my mobile phone for pics.. point n click with basic editing tools on my phone

My mums partner has spent hundreds on his camera and lenses but his photographs are outstanding. He is more of an artichture, landscape and wildlife photographer than a people person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back in the day (god I sound old), I had an Zenith SLR I bought for £5. The lens again I bought cheaply and took some fantastic pictures. The expensive camera & lens are just slightly better quality and will hopefully last longer.

It is knowing how to frame the picture, where the light is coming from and how best to use it.

Only good thing I find is you get to see the picture you took right away instead of waiting for the film to be developed."

And I thought I was a dinosaur with my old Nikon FT!! .......but digital is definitely better!!

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By *rivateshooterMan
over a year ago

stoke

A lot of common sense here. It's a bit like hifi - you can spend thousands but unless your ear ( or in the case of photographs 'eye') is up to it, then is it worth it.

I do private photoshoots for swing couples using a good digital SLR, and a convenient zoom lens ( Tamron), and a dedicated off the camera flash with some portable extra light. Would I enter the results for an exhibition - No! Are they good enough for a 3 x 2 enlargement in the bedroom ceiling - Yes - are they better than a Compact or Phone - Yes - and are they worthy of the final cut - generally No - but it's what the 'client' wants that matters. If they are happy, then so am I.

What's makes a good photograph ? Hardware, composition, lighting, subject, some post produciton cropping/correction and maybe some simple effects e.g B&W convert or vignette and and eye for detail.

What makes a great one - all the above plus a really good eye for the time and the place.

And one final thing ( for Swinger photography) Being straight and honest with the people involved - and respecting their private lives.

There ... finished ... for what it is worth

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By *ingjay OP Man
over a year ago

exeter

Yeah think that's the pount I haven't got the photographers eye, I point and shoot, it's a picture for my eyes and family and friends, I love going places abd taking photographs of nature and quirky things, and admit yeah equipment does make a difference, I don't and never will get the Photoshop though, enhancing images, and tones or whatever..... A picture is a picture....... It's not a photograph when it's been digitally enhanced - in my opinion, but why spend 30k on studio equipment when you can just Photoshop it anyway.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You misunderstand photoshop.

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By *ingjay OP Man
over a year ago

exeter

"You misunderstand photoshop."

Noo...... I have seen pictures in raw format then enhanced, I just don't believe you can still it a photograph when an image has been digitally altered,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You misunderstand photoshop.

Noo...... I have seen pictures in raw format then enhanced, I just don't believe you can still it a photograph when an image has been digitally altered, "

All digital images are altered - either on camera or off.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"You misunderstand photoshop.

Noo...... I have seen pictures in raw format then enhanced, I just don't believe you can still it a photograph when an image has been digitally altered, "

You misunderstand Photoshop completely. A decent retoucher will often only get a model looking the way she looked in real life. Certain lighting techniques accentuate lines in the skin, causing shadows. She doesn't look like this in real life, Photoshop can restore that, the same as processing techniques for film could.

Apart from anything else, do you really think that images in the pre-digital age weren't touched up? Where do you think terms like, for instance, Mask, Dodge, Burn, Cross Process and Bleach Bypass come from?

I have a book about the making of Breakfast in Tiffany's which has some before and after shots(the before has the editors notes all over it of the changes he wants making) of Audrey Hepburn, possibly one of the most classically beautiful women to ever draw breath. The difference is stark!

A raw file is just an unprocessed image, straight out of the camera, most JPEGS will look better than a raw image (what you see on the back if the camera when you shoot in raw is a JPEG). Try shooting raw whilst applying B&W in camera, the resulting raw file will be in colour, only the JPEG is B&W!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You misunderstand photoshop.

Noo...... I have seen pictures in raw format then enhanced, I just don't believe you can still it a photograph when an image has been digitally altered,

True but I would expect on a site like this people want to escape reality and have their images enhanced to help with the whole process of promoting themselves... sometimes there is a balance between reality and how we as individuals want to see ourselves as.

As someone above said, tis what the client wants that is important to a photographer.

NB: There is much more to being a good pro than just taking good images... much much more!

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

our photographs represent either complete novice or just effing lucky..

we don't have a camera - its more like a bloody computer with a fooking lens attached !! last time we took photos - we got nothing out of 259 pics.. wasted photo session that was lol.. x

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By *ames blackMan
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

"Got a friend who's just bought a new camera she's sells by me her old one, I just googled the new one she's getting abd it came up with some of the accessories, some lenese are over 1300! I asked her why do people spend Soo much on lenses lighting cameras ect and then just Photoshop the images anyway??

She's a prime one for it, I took hundreds of images on her camera of my daughter's birthday and about 12 made the cut, are all photographers such perfectionists?"

The quality (read standard) of an artist whether songwriter, poet or photographer etc can be judged by the volume of the wastepaper basket.

Snapshots for memories can be out of focus but for quality work then only the best should be good enough!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"You misunderstand photoshop.

Noo...... I have seen pictures in raw format then enhanced, I just don't believe you can still it a photograph when an image has been digitally altered,

As someone above said, tis what the client wants that is important to a photographer.

NB: There is much more to being a good pro than just taking good images... much much more!"

Oh, I can Photoshop the shit out of an image, if required! Thanks for telling me how to do my job though, much appreciated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" ...Thanks for telling me how to do my job though, much appreciated

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oh who is touchy and your not reading my post correctly... I was only agreeing with your post and highlighting that on here some will want a completely unrealistic approach to images...

My last comment was aimed at some above who were questioning the fact it appears to be a good photographer only needs to take excellent images - if you miss-understood that and that was because of what I typed then apologies.

PS: There is more than you a photographer on here... keep well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For the purpose of this site I think photos need to provide an honest reflection of how people look. People looking at their best perhaps, but not distorted beyond recognition. Otherwise you're likely to meet up with a lot of people who won't take their interest any further.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For the purpose of this site I think photos need to provide an honest reflection of how people look. People looking at their best perhaps, but not distorted beyond recognition. Otherwise you're likely to meet up with a lot of people who won't take their interest any further."

Your probably right but there is nothing wrong with a little enhancement in images... even if that is only the lighting being more appealing which in turn makes us more attractive to the viewer of the image

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

And also in recognition of me being a snotty twat last night...insomnia will do that to you, sorry!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...And also in recognition of me being a snotty twat last night...insomnia will do that to you, sorry!

no problem... to confirm i would never question the ability of another photographer unless they asked me for advice!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

...And also in recognition of me being a snotty twat last night...insomnia will do that to you, sorry!

no problem... to confirm i would never question the ability of another photographer unless they asked me for advice!

I'm pretty much done with it now anyway, other than Motorsport jobs in the summer, the odd bit of product photography and model shoots when I'm asked (and fucking weddings when I absolutely can't get out of it!). Too busy studying and every man and his dog is a 'photographer' now, so there's very little money in it! A big change from 6 or 7 years ago.

Plus, I'm desperately looking for my mojo again!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

PS. Those shoes are entirely unsuitable for horse-riding!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"PS. Those shoes are entirely unsuitable for horse-riding!

who said anything about riding horses?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"PS. Those shoes are entirely unsuitable for horse-riding!

Who said anything about riding horses?

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