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"Well, it's finally been called - Election 2010!!! I'm voting Conservative this time. Are you Red, Blue or Yellow? "None! they're all arseholes full of promises till they get your vote! then its a case of fuck you jack! I'm alright! Billy | |||
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"Yellow, and hoping for a hung parliament "likewise yellow I canvas for them and have done for years people are so daft, red or blue red or blue they demand more options in every other aspect of their lives but close their minds to another option politically what I shall never ever ever ever do is vote for the self serving blues, inherited weatlh mostly who are never intrested in the masses | |||
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"Red, red, red, never, ever, will I forgive the Tories for what they did during the 80's / 90's "They were a different party then and different times. We had Scargill trying to bring the country to a halt (whilst sitting in his nice country pile btw - and then he got elected to the European Parliament and hired his entire family to 'work' for him). It's been proven that the mines weren't sustainable and that keeping them open was simply throwing money away in subsidies. That's all by the by though. We're now faced with a Labour party that believes that it can keep borrowing to pay for it's promises and worry about paying it back 'later' - much much later it appears. Will the Tories do a better job? I don't know, but its got to be better than five more years of Bully Brown & Co. | |||
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"Will the Tories do a better job?" They take from the most vulnerable and give to the wealthiest, for example, they were against the minimum wage, they've stated they'll cut the winter fuel allowance. Trust them with the NHS, never, it was immensely underfunded when they held the purse strings Cameron has proved he can't be trusted, remember his stance on a referendum? I must have missed what action they took / suggested in chasing the richest in our society who get away with paying nothing or very little tax. Yeh, I can see a mountain of reasons for not voting for Camera On | |||
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"Will the Tories do a better job? They take from the most vulnerable and give to the wealthiest, for example, they were against the minimum wage, they've stated they'll cut the winter fuel allowance. Trust them with the NHS, never, it was immensely underfunded when they held the purse strings Cameron has proved he can't be trusted, remember his stance on a referendum? I must have missed what action they took / suggested in chasing the richest in our society who get away with paying nothing or very little tax. Yeh, I can see a mountain of reasons for not voting for Camera On "oh yes and just look how they sold off our social low cost housing Most is in the hands of rich tory voters charging the earth What a mess they made of that. Do yourselves a favour, vote raving loony instead, they at least think of the working man | |||
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More seriously though, edging toward the blue these days, I personally dont think they could do much worse a job than the reds.
Oh, and Mr Brown blatantly lied at the Iraq enquiry about funding, how can you trust a man who lies? | |||
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The dilemma is that you won't know which you are until May 7!! | |||
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"Red, red, red, never, ever, will I forgive the Tories for what they did during the 80's / 90's
They were a different party then and different times. We had Scargill trying to bring the country to a halt (whilst sitting in his nice country pile btw - and then he got elected to the European Parliament and hired his entire family to 'work' for him).
It's been proven that the mines weren't sustainable and that keeping them open was simply throwing money away in subsidies.
That's all by the by though. We're now faced with a Labour party that believes that it can keep borrowing to pay for it's promises and worry about paying it back 'later' - much much later it appears.
Will the Tories do a better job?
I don't know, but its got to be better than five more years of Bully Brown & Co."Over 10% interest rates. Poll tax Sold every thing off they could. History will repeat itself! | |||
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Labour have not been as good as we would have wanted and they haven't got everything right, but I sincerely believe that for ordinary working people, this country is better than it was pre-1997. Minimum wage, equality rights, paid holidays, working hours legislation, maternity and paternity rights, statutory redundancy payments, etc to name but a few things that we never would have had under the tories. They like to pretend they are new tories, all caring and sharing and fluffy, but they are still the same underneath and god (not that I believe in him, but thats a different debate.. ) help us if they get their hands on our education, NHS etc. | |||
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"GREEN!" Are they still around?? Been strangely quiet of late. | |||
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"being duel nationality... i am going to see if i am allowed to vote here since i vote normally in the us elections.... if i do, i may well vote for the first time.... kinda excited about it, except my constituancy is about as red as they come.... shame as i am leaning yellow...." Yup, they're red all the way here Fab m8. Siren's a long term Libby and I swing between all three. Blue for me this time round. | |||
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"being duel nationality... i am going to see if i am allowed to vote here since i vote normally in the us elections.... if i do, i may well vote for the first time.... kinda excited about it, except my constituancy is about as red as they come.... shame as i am leaning yellow.... Yup, they're red all the way here Fab m8. Siren's a long term Libby and I swing between all three. Blue for me this time round." im not sure where you are but if for example its tynside north the reds have a 15000 majority so you can vote for pink elephants for all it matters , cos it will be red after the election like so many people in the country who live in a "safe" seat including myself it would not matter one iota who you vote for , its all a big joke | |||
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"Staunch Labour. However as i have said Labour and Tory have governed for the best part of 60 years and if you want change and a fresh start vote Liberal. If they said they were going to pull the troops out of Iraq and Afghan i would vote for them. Costing billions on a war thats not needed and could be used to boost the economy and repay the debt." Same here i was read but cannot vote for the Tory's so it might be yellow for me too. | |||
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"Same here i was read but cannot vote for the Tory's so it might be yellow for me too." It would have to take something good from an opposition party for me to vote for them but I know come polling day which box my X will be marked on. | |||
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" It's been proven that the mines weren't sustainable and that keeping them open was simply throwing money away in subsidies." So three billion a year in subsidies or three million a year in dole for everyone out of work? Red Red RED | |||
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"Besides, and sorry about this, but every yellow vote is actualy a blue vote in disguise." Not down this way it isn't, many Labour supporters vote tactical down here and it works.....My Two local MP's are both Lib Dem and many of their votes were from traditional Labour supporters that knew they never had a chance of getting a Labour MP in this area as it is too affluent. We have managed to keep the Tories away from office around here by voting tactically, so a vote for the Lib Dems for us is a vote against having a Tory MP. | |||
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"Besides, and sorry about this, but every yellow vote is actualy a blue vote in disguise. Not down this way it isn't, many Labour supporters vote tactical down here and it works.....My Two local MP's are both Lib Dem and many of their votes were from traditional Labour supporters that knew they never had a chance of getting a Labour MP in this area as it is too affluent. We have managed to keep the Tories away from office around here by voting tactically, so a vote for the Lib Dems for us is a vote against having a Tory MP." If boundarys haven't changed you can look at the last time people voted and tactically vote your self. A yellow vote isn't a blue one like the OP said. | |||
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"Besides, and sorry about this, but every yellow vote is actualy a blue vote in disguise." Is it.......can you explain why? | |||
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"Red, red, red, never, ever, will I forgive the Tories for what they did during the 80's / 90's "Yes stop all the strikes from the 70's! | |||
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"you can vote for pink elephants for all it matters , cos it will be red after the election like so many people in the country who live in a "safe" seat including myself it would not matter one iota who you vote for , its all a big joke " That's democracy / politics. 'Safe' seats are considered safe because the majority of voters in that particular constituency vote for a particular party. Their votes are no more or less important than yours or anyone elses and thats the beauty of democracy. It clearly does matter who you vote for, if less voted for red (in this case) then another party may win and if more 'I can't be bothered there's no point' people voted, then again another party other than red may also win. | |||
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"Country being held to ransom in the eighties by the unions and nationalised industry. 1979 we were in a recession....tory government refused to spend their way out of it and did not create any new money. They did not give in to the ransom demands of nationalised industry...sold it off and let it fend for itself in the real world where they actually have to make money or go under. Got this country out of recession and back on a sound economic footing by time the red hands of labour got their mittens on the steering wheel....look where 13 years of that has gotten us. Go blues......rah rah rah "This is not correct.
The country was actually in recession until around 1975, the cause of which was the oil crisis. The next recession was not until the early 80's, (1980-82)well and truly into the Tory Thatcher years and then again in the early 90's (90-92)also in the Tory years. It is quiet simply a myth to claim that Labour governments created economic crisis.
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"100,000 a month added to the dole queues in the early 80's but under Thatcher the sheer unremitting awfulness of the 1970s: the pessimism, the rancour, double-digit inflation, price controls, incomes policies, power cuts, the three-day-week, the winter of discontent were all turned around. Throughout the 1960s and 1970s, the UK been outperformed by every European economy. “Britain is a tragedy – it has sunk to borrowing, begging, stealing until North Sea oil comes in,” said Henry Kissinger. The Wall Street Journal was blunter: “Goodbye, Great Britain: it was nice knowing you”. Then came the swing to conservatism in 1979. Under Thatcher Inflation fell, strikes stopped, the latent enterprise of a free people was awakened. Having lagged behind for a generation, we outgrew every European country in the 1980s except Spain (which was bouncing back from an even lower place). As revenues flowed in, taxes were cut and debt was repaid, while public spending – contrary belief – rose. In the Falklands, Margaret Thatcher showed the world that a great country doesn’t retreat forever. And, by ending the wretched policy of one-sided détente that had allowed the Soviets to march into Europe, Korea and Afghanistan, she set in train the events that would free hundreds of millions of people from what, in crude mathematical terms, must be reckoned the most murderous ideology humanity has known. The Anti-Thatcherites tell me she should be reviled for her time in office. That it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, she simply stopped obliging the tax payer to support them.) Now, in the deepest recession we have known for some time it must surely be obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills etc etc etc open. No Government could have continued to fund these under performing industries at the level they were demanding. She rescued a country that Labour had dishonoured and impoverished. That she inherited a Britain that was sclerotic, indebted and declining and left it proud, wealthy and free is something that people cannot stomach. They just remember the hard road we all had to take to regain economic stability and growth. Gordon Brown has plunged this country into an unfathomable level of debt trying to spend his way out of a crisis rather than face up to it. Now, every successive government, regardless of who forms it, will have deal with this debt whilst trying to retain public spending at realistic levels. We are now going to face far more hardship thanks to labour than we ever had to face under Thatcher. I will be the first one at the polling station to register my vote. It will NOT be for another Labour Government in this country "Stu, I think you need to go away and learn your 20th century economic history. You will find that the USA has systematically stolen stripped and destroyed our economic base. That the reason that the German economy out produced us in the 60/70/80s was because after WW2 the USA pumped billions of dollars into rebuilding Germany and modernising its industries, while at the same time demanding that we repay billions in interest and capital for war loans before modernising our Victorian industries. You may also like to read up about how different governments acted and reacted to the USA, you will find that your beloved One Britton Tories have not been quite so pro Britton as you seem to think and that it was the old Labour (socialists) governments that were the real pro Britton governments. As for your comments about the Falklands, and détente you show you have no idea of what really happened or exactly how WEAK we were. I served in the Falklands and was part of our (NATO) Northern flank protection forces. The fact is it was our forces bloody-mindedness and training that beat the Argies, not our equipment! And as for the Soviets and Walsall Pact, if they had decided to attack they would have rolled us up without breaking sweat. Détente allowed the western world to bankrupt the east without starting another world war, and just as a matter of interest do you think we live in a safer world 20/30 years on from that particular victory? In my humble opinion the Soviet Union was never a real threat but the fragmented religious nationalism that has replaced it is. Maybe you would like to comment? | |||
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"Thatcher bribed many of the working class into believing they were middle class by selling them their council houses....." and now no one can get on the property ladder nor afford to rent thanks to her wasnt dame shirley porter forced to pay 12m for homes for votes scandal yet a blue vote is NOT for the working man | |||
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"The "industry" support of David Cameron`s dislike of the "tax on jobs" makes me laugh. I want to know just how many of these companies actually make their ENTIRE product in this country! One such company having come out in support of DC is Hornby, the model train "manafacturer". I say manafacturer in inverted commas because the ENTIRE RANGE of Hornby model railway products are made in ... CHINA! So how many British jobs are in danger here? Didn`t know the Chinkies paid us NI dues! "excellent point | |||
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"that was funnier than your fugy son of fugy stories stu.keep up the good work.im still laughing. " | |||
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"100,000 a month added to the dole queues in the early 80's but under Thatcher the sheer unremitting awfulness of the 1970s: the pessimism, the rancour, double-digit inflation, price controls, incomes policies, power cuts, the three-day-week, the winter of discontent were all turned around. Throughout the 1960s and 1970s, the UK been outperformed by every European economy. “Britain is a tragedy – it has sunk to borrowing, begging, stealing until North Sea oil comes in,” said Henry Kissinger. The Wall Street Journal was blunter: “Goodbye, Great Britain: it was nice knowing you”. Then came the swing to conservatism in 1979. Under Thatcher Inflation fell, strikes stopped, the latent enterprise of a free people was awakened. Having lagged behind for a generation, we outgrew every European country in the 1980s except Spain (which was bouncing back from an even lower place). As revenues flowed in, taxes were cut and debt was repaid, while public spending – contrary belief – rose. In the Falklands, Margaret Thatcher showed the world that a great country doesn’t retreat forever. And, by ending the wretched policy of one-sided détente that had allowed the Soviets to march into Europe, Korea and Afghanistan, she set in train the events that would free hundreds of millions of people from what, in crude mathematical terms, must be reckoned the most murderous ideology humanity has known. The Anti-Thatcherites tell me she should be reviled for her time in office. That it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, she simply stopped obliging the tax payer to support them.) Now, in the deepest recession we have known for some time it must surely be obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills etc etc etc open. No Government could have continued to fund these under performing industries at the level they were demanding. She rescued a country that Labour had dishonoured and impoverished. That she inherited a Britain that was sclerotic, indebted and declining and left it proud, wealthy and free is something that people cannot stomach. They just remember the hard road we all had to take to regain economic stability and growth. Gordon Brown has plunged this country into an unfathomable level of debt trying to spend his way out of a crisis rather than face up to it. Now, every successive government, regardless of who forms it, will have deal with this debt whilst trying to retain public spending at realistic levels. We are now going to face far more hardship thanks to labour than we ever had to face under Thatcher. I will be the first one at the polling station to register my vote. It will NOT be for another Labour Government in this country
Stu, I think you need to go away and learn your 20th century economic history.
You will find that the USA has systematically stolen stripped and destroyed our economic base. That the reason that the German economy out produced us in the 60/70/80s was because after WW2 the USA pumped billions of dollars into rebuilding Germany and modernising its industries, while at the same time demanding that we repay billions in interest and capital for war loans before modernising our Victorian industries.
You may also like to read up about how different governments acted and reacted to the USA, you will find that your beloved One Britton Tories have not been quite so pro Britton as you seem to think and that it was the old Labour (socialists) governments that were the real pro Britton governments.
As for your comments about the Falklands, and détente you show you have no idea of what really happened or exactly how WEAK we were. I served in the Falklands and was part of our (NATO) Northern flank protection forces. The fact is it was our forces bloody-mindedness and training that beat the Argies, not our equipment! And as for the Soviets and Walsall Pact, if they had decided to attack they would have rolled us up without breaking sweat. Détente allowed the western world to bankrupt the east without starting another world war, and just as a matter of interest do you think we live in a safer world 20/30 years on from that particular victory? In my humble opinion the Soviet Union was never a real threat but the fragmented religious nationalism that has replaced it is.
Maybe you would like to comment?
"Have said it before.....and will say it again.......the opinions expressed by me in here are not necessarily the opinions I hold. As for the Falklands, the problems there are deep seated and have been rumbling since the 15th/16th Century and still rumblr on today. I believe that the Argentines have now got the UN to agree to listen to their arguments in order to decide whether or not the UK should enter negotiations again. Electioneering on the part of the failing Argentine Government and can be discussed into oblivion. I had family fighting in the Falklands, and the conflict is as real for me still as it was back then. As for the UK economy. Was trying to make the point that Thatcher is remembered merely for the poll tax, the miners strike, selling off nationalised industry and the falkland crisis. The UK was practically on it's knees back in the 70's (is irrelevant whether it was the fault of Labour, USA, Russia Australia.....etc etc.. By the end of the tory Government this country had found itself on a sounder economic footing. It was a hard slog to get there, but we did. Then, as now, Whichever party forms the Government will have to deal with this mess that we are left in. The choices the government has to make will be much tougher than the ones made by Thatcher and her Government. I still strongly believe that pumping billions into the economy that we don't have, and spending billions on public sector services, that we don't have, is wrong. It has plunged this country into a debt the likes of which has never been seen. The next Government, whether it be blue, yellow, red or sky blue pink will, in all likliehood, only be remembered for the choices that have to hurt the public in order to get the economy back on track. | |||
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"Country being held to ransom in the eighties by the unions and nationalised industry. 1979 we were in a recession....tory government refused to spend their way out of it and did not create any new money. They did not give in to the ransom demands of nationalised industry...sold it off and let it fend for itself in the real world where they actually have to make money or go under. Got this country out of recession and back on a sound economic footing by time the red hands of labour got their mittens on the steering wheel....look where 13 years of that has gotten us. Go blues......rah rah rah
This is not correct.
The country was actually in recession until around 1975, the cause of which was the oil crisis. The next recession was not until the early 80's, (1980-82)well and truly into the Tory Thatcher years and then again in the early 90's (90-92)also in the Tory years. It is quiet simply a myth to claim that Labour governments created economic crisis.
Anyone else remember the unemployment/dole queues/ house repossessions of the 80's and 90's? Who was in power, oh yeah, the Tories. "Harold Wilson, Labour, 4 March 1974 - 5 April 1976 Key aspects of term in office: Hung Parliament. Ended dispute with miners; Social Contract with trade unions over the economy; Health and Safety at Work Act; Renegotiated terms for EC membership, then 1975 referendum validated entry; North Sea oil; Cod War. ~ James Callahan, Labour, 5 April 1976 - 4 May 1979 Key aspects of term in office: International Monetary Fund loan to support the pound; the Lib-Lab pact; enacted devolution to Scotland and Wales but referendums stopped them; breakdown of relations with trade unions and Winter of Discontent. ~ Margaret Thatcher, Conservative, 4 May 1979 - 28 November 1990 Key aspects of term in office: First female Prime Minister of the UK. Falklands War; sold council housing to tenants (right to buy); miners' strike 1984–85; privatisation of many previously government-owned industries; decreased the power of trade unions; negotiation of the UK rebate towards the European Community budget; Brighton hotel bombing; Sino-British joint declaration; Anglo-Irish Agreement; Westland Affair; abolition of GLC; Section 28; the "Poll tax"; Lockerbie bombing; the end of the Cold War. ~ The above says it all really. We have prospered under a Tory Govt and suffered under a Labour one. Almost inevitably, the first thing that happens when a Labour govt is elected is that it is forced into a war with the Unions that subsidise it. | |||
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"Country being held to ransom in the eighties by the unions and nationalised industry. 1979 we were in a recession....tory government refused to spend their way out of it and did not create any new money. They did not give in to the ransom demands of nationalised industry...sold it off and let it fend for itself in the real world where they actually have to make money or go under. Got this country out of recession and back on a sound economic footing by time the red hands of labour got their mittens on the steering wheel....look where 13 years of that has gotten us. Go blues......rah rah rah
This is not correct.
The country was actually in recession until around 1975, the cause of which was the oil crisis. The next recession was not until the early 80's, (1980-82)well and truly into the Tory Thatcher years and then again in the early 90's (90-92)also in the Tory years. It is quiet simply a myth to claim that Labour governments created economic crisis.
Anyone else remember the unemployment/dole queues/ house repossessions of the 80's and 90's? Who was in power, oh yeah, the Tories.
Harold Wilson, Labour,
4 March 1974 - 5 April 1976
Key aspects of term in office:
Hung Parliament. Ended dispute with miners; Social Contract with trade unions over the economy; Health and Safety at Work Act; Renegotiated terms for EC membership, then 1975 referendum validated entry; North Sea oil; Cod War.
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James Callahan, Labour,
5 April 1976 - 4 May 1979
Key aspects of term in office:
International Monetary Fund loan to support the pound; the Lib-Lab pact; enacted devolution to Scotland and Wales but referendums stopped them; breakdown of relations with trade unions and Winter of Discontent.
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Margaret Thatcher, Conservative,
4 May 1979 - 28 November 1990
Key aspects of term in office:
First female Prime Minister of the UK. Falklands War; sold council housing to tenants (right to buy); miners' strike 1984–85; privatisation of many previously government-owned industries; decreased the power of trade unions; negotiation of the UK rebate towards the European Community budget; Brighton hotel bombing; Sino-British joint declaration; Anglo-Irish Agreement; Westland Affair; abolition of GLC; Section 28; the "Poll tax"; Lockerbie bombing; the end of the Cold War.
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The above says it all really. We have prospered under a Tory Govt and suffered under a Labour one. Almost inevitably, the first thing that happens when a Labour govt is elected is that it is forced into a war with the Unions that subsidise it."seeing what you want to see,and disregarding the rest.isnt really political argument.unless you assume, you are speaking to the totally ignorant.  | |||
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"100,000 a month added to the dole queues in the early 80's but under Thatcher the sheer unremitting awfulness of the 1970s: the pessimism, the rancour, double-digit inflation, price controls, incomes policies, power cuts, the three-day-week, the winter of discontent were all turned around. Throughout the 1960s and 1970s, the UK been outperformed by every European economy. “Britain is a tragedy – it has sunk to borrowing, begging, stealing until North Sea oil comes in,” said Henry Kissinger. The Wall Street Journal was blunter: “Goodbye, Great Britain: it was nice knowing you”. Then came the swing to conservatism in 1979. Under Thatcher Inflation fell, strikes stopped, the latent enterprise of a free people was awakened. Having lagged behind for a generation, we outgrew every European country in the 1980s except Spain (which was bouncing back from an even lower place). As revenues flowed in, taxes were cut and debt was repaid, while public spending – contrary belief – rose. In the Falklands, Margaret Thatcher showed the world that a great country doesn’t retreat forever. And, by ending the wretched policy of one-sided détente that had allowed the Soviets to march into Europe, Korea and Afghanistan, she set in train the events that would free hundreds of millions of people from what, in crude mathematical terms, must be reckoned the most murderous ideology humanity has known. The Anti-Thatcherites tell me she should be reviled for her time in office. That it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, she simply stopped obliging the tax payer to support them.) Now, in the deepest recession we have known for some time it must surely be obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills etc etc etc open. No Government could have continued to fund these under performing industries at the level they were demanding. She rescued a country that Labour had dishonoured and impoverished. That she inherited a Britain that was sclerotic, indebted and declining and left it proud, wealthy and free is something that people cannot stomach. They just remember the hard road we all had to take to regain economic stability and growth. Gordon Brown has plunged this country into an unfathomable level of debt trying to spend his way out of a crisis rather than face up to it. Now, every successive government, regardless of who forms it, will have deal with this debt whilst trying to retain public spending at realistic levels. We are now going to face far more hardship thanks to labour than we ever had to face under Thatcher. I will be the first one at the polling station to register my vote. It will NOT be for another Labour Government in this country
Stu, I think you need to go away and learn your 20th century economic history.
You will find that the USA has systematically stolen stripped and destroyed our economic base. That the reason that the German economy out produced us in the 60/70/80s was because after WW2 the USA pumped billions of dollars into rebuilding Germany and modernising its industries, while at the same time demanding that we repay billions in interest and capital for war loans before modernising our Victorian industries.
You may also like to read up about how different governments acted and reacted to the USA, you will find that your beloved One Britton Tories have not been quite so pro Britton as you seem to think and that it was the old Labour (socialists) governments that were the real pro Britton governments.
As for your comments about the Falklands, and détente you show you have no idea of what really happened or exactly how WEAK we were. I served in the Falklands and was part of our (NATO) Northern flank protection forces. The fact is it was our forces bloody-mindedness and training that beat the Argies, not our equipment! And as for the Soviets and Walsall Pact, if they had decided to attack they would have rolled us up without breaking sweat. Détente allowed the western world to bankrupt the east without starting another world war, and just as a matter of interest do you think we live in a safer world 20/30 years on from that particular victory? In my humble opinion the Soviet Union was never a real threat but the fragmented religious nationalism that has replaced it is.
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Have said it before.....and will say it again.......the opinions expressed by me in here are not necessarily the opinions I hold.
As for the Falklands, the problems there are deep seated and have been rumbling since the 15th/16th Century and still rumblr on today.
I believe that the Argentines have now got the UN to agree to listen to their arguments in order to decide whether or not the UK should enter negotiations again.
Electioneering on the part of the failing Argentine Government and can be discussed into oblivion.
I had family fighting in the Falklands, and the conflict is as real for me still as it was back then.
As for the UK economy. Was trying to make the point that Thatcher is remembered merely for the poll tax, the miners strike, selling off nationalised industry and the falkland crisis.
The UK was practically on it's knees back in the 70's (is irrelevant whether it was the fault of Labour, USA, Russia Australia.....etc etc.. By the end of the tory Government this country had found itself on a sounder economic footing. It was a hard slog to get there, but we did.
Then, as now, Whichever party forms the Government will have to deal with this mess that we are left in. The choices the government has to make will be much tougher than the ones made by Thatcher and her Government.
I still strongly believe that pumping billions into the economy that we don't have, and spending billions on public sector services, that we don't have, is wrong. It has plunged this country into a debt the likes of which has never been seen.
The next Government, whether it be blue, yellow, red or sky blue pink will, in all likliehood, only be remembered for the choices that have to hurt the public in order to get the economy back on track.
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"seeing what you want to see,and disregarding the rest.isnt really political argument.unless you assume, you are speaking to the totally ignorant. "I was merely quoting records that are a matter of fact. Not opinion, fact, written by another, more learned person than I. You should get off your condescending high horse before you get a nose bleed. | |||
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"seeing what you want to see,and disregarding the rest.isnt really political argument.unless you assume, you are speaking to the totally ignorant.
I was merely quoting records that are a matter of fact. Not opinion, fact, written by another, more learned person than I.
You should get off your condescending high horse before you get a nose bleed. "i hope i get the nose bleed, before the tories get in again.much do you think that will cost to fix.you are picking facts that suit, and ignoring those that dont.try lifting those blue tinted glasses for a moment.the good thing about being on a condescending high horse is,you can see everything from up here. | |||
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"Email those standing for election in your area and ask where they stand on the issues that concern you. we have." if only it were that simple, but at least you will have something to prove how many lies will be told to get your vote | |||
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"Country being held to ransom in the eighties by the unions and nationalised industry. 1979 we were in a recession....tory government refused to spend their way out of it and did not create any new money. They did not give in to the ransom demands of nationalised industry...sold it off and let it fend for itself in the real world where they actually have to make money or go under. Got this country out of recession and back on a sound economic footing by time the red hands of labour got their mittens on the steering wheel....look where 13 years of that has gotten us. Go blues......rah rah rah "But are you being slightly disingenuous by not telling everyone about the hundreds of billions that selling off all the monopolies and North sea oil revenues brought in for the governement?. Where is the lasting legacy from that?. Maybe you also forgot that Thatcher took us into the ERM at a far too high exchange rate, a factor in why we went into recession in the 90's and why the country lost many billions of pounds trying to prop up the pound on black wednesday | |||
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"It makes me chuckle when people remember the so-called bad days of Thatcherism and attack the modern day Tory party like they are an extension of her policies. Can you imagine the trouble Britain would have got itself into if Kinnock had won those elections instead of Thatcher. A man who moved into the European political arena and then systematically exploited Brussels to get his entire family on board milking the EuroGravy Express. His socialist principles were nowhere to be seen. I will be eternally grateful that we had Thatcher at the helm for all those years and not Kinnock. I made the mistake of voting Labour once, they'll never catch me out again." He was the for runner of the "modern milk the expenses system"
Mind if kinnock had got in then we would still have mines and miners and not so reliant on gas from fook knows where!
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"i agree with peaches12 100% the tories sold us down the river for 17 years & they would do the same again, we cant let it happen & has anyone on this site heard what the tories are saying about gay rights, more or less everybody on here are gay friendly & the tories are definatly not so they dont deserve to be in power even just for that reason, let alone for a miriad of other reasons, im a socialist & im red all the way, we cant go back to the bad blue old days." The tories wouldn't do that would they? They are promising free milk and honey and "Call me Dave" wouldn't lie surely??? | |||
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"i agree with most of what you say but if we get a hung parliament it means facsist partys like the disgracful bnp will have more power & i would rather have the tories & thats saying something as im a socialist" Its the Welsh nationalists that made my jaw drop. They want £300 mill for wales for there cooperation! Who is going to pay for that??? | |||
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"The conservatives will leave the whole country with the blues. They are out to look after the rich only." Just how many people believe this stupid ignorant myth? The rich make up less than 5% of the country so if it is only the rich that the Tories look after then they would have a very short stay in No.10, wouldn't they? Maybe each voter should have an IQ test before being allowed to vote coz this type of belief system is just plain bloody daft. | |||
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"The conservatives will leave the whole country with the blues. They are out to look after the rich only. Just how many people believe this stupid ignorant myth? The rich make up less than 5% of the country so if it is only the rich that the Tories look after then they would have a very short stay in No.10, wouldn't they? Maybe each voter should have an IQ test before being allowed to vote coz this type of belief system is just plain bloody daft. Well i can tell you for fact not all rich people vote tories" Which proves that the Tories are not the party for only the rich, doesn't it? | |||
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"The conservatives will leave the whole country with the blues. They are out to look after the rich only. Just how many people believe this stupid ignorant myth? The rich make up less than 5% of the country so if it is only the rich that the Tories look after then they would have a very short stay in No.10, wouldn't they? Maybe each voter should have an IQ test before being allowed to vote coz this type of belief system is just plain bloody daft. Well i can tell you for fact not all rich people vote tories Which proves that the Tories are not the party for only the rich, doesn't it? "When Jay moved into his house the tories used to use his garden for there garden parties and such, he soon put a stop to that lol | |||
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"The conservatives will leave the whole country with the blues. They are out to look after the rich only. Just how many people believe this stupid ignorant myth? The rich make up less than 5% of the country so if it is only the rich that the Tories look after then they would have a very short stay in No.10, wouldn't they? Maybe each voter should have an IQ test before being allowed to vote coz this type of belief system is just plain bloody daft. Well i can tell you for fact not all rich people vote tories Which proves that the Tories are not the party for only the rich, doesn't it?
When Jay moved into his house the tories used to use his garden for there garden parties and such, he soon put a stop to that lol"Huh? Without his permission? Must be some fookin garden he's got!! | |||
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When Jay moved into his house the tories used to use his garden for there garden parties and such, he soon put a stop to that lol
Huh? Without his permission? Must be some fookin garden he's got!! "The previous owners let them but Jay wouldnt let them. His actual garden is two acres then he has the orchard and paddock | |||
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When Jay moved into his house the tories used to use his garden for there garden parties and such, he soon put a stop to that lol
Huh? Without his permission? Must be some fookin garden he's got!!
The previous owners let them but Jay wouldnt let them. His actual garden is two acres then he has the orchard and paddock"The guy next door has a huge garden so I asked him if I could have a couple of acres. He kicked me in the nuts and said, "sure, their ya go!" | |||
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"Having watched the Tory manifesto launch and the excellent David Cameron I am now convinced that he's the right man to lead this country. I hate all forms of govt interference and he seems to be the only one to be saying that we can have a say in local services. Elected police commissioners The ability to boot out corrupt MPs and select a new one Even open our own schools with state money. This I like!! They have got my vote, no problemo!! "sorry wishy.but i have to ask.did you ever buy a car,from del boy ? | |||
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"Having watched the Tory manifesto launch and the excellent David Cameron I am now convinced that he's the right man to lead this country. I hate all forms of govt interference and he seems to be the only one to be saying that we can have a say in local services. Elected police commissioners The ability to boot out corrupt MPs and select a new one Even open our own schools with state money. This I like!! They have got my vote, no problemo!! "funny enough I watched the manifesto launches.. and the one that i was most impressed with was actually in the end the lib dems... which leaves me in a position that because my seat is stauch red, my vote is not going to mean as much.... and maybe it is time they finally brought in some sort of PR..... I would be so in favour of the single transferable vote system (STV)... maybe the best result for me is going to be a hung parliment because then the libs dems are going to get some of there policies in..... cable for chancellor.... | |||
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"forgot the 2 years freeze on council tax ....... i can imagine what will happen at the end of that be a whoppin great bloody increase and be worse than the lovely poll tax ..... xx"well they better freeze the poll tax if in 2011 I am not going to get a pay rise since i work in the public sector... in the mean time everything else is still going up though...
may as well give me the extra 700 quid a year in my pocket i would get from the lib dem policy of increasing the income tax threshold to 10k.... | |||
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"Having watched the Tory manifesto launch and the excellent David Cameron I am now convinced that he's the right man to lead this country. I hate all forms of govt interference and he seems to be the only one to be saying that we can have a say in local services. Elected police commissioners The ability to boot out corrupt MPs and select a new one Even open our own schools with state money. This I like!! They have got my vote, no problemo!!
funny enough I watched the manifesto launches.. and the one that i was most impressed with was actually in the end the lib dems... which leaves me in a position that because my seat is stauch red, my vote is not going to mean as much.... and maybe it is time they finally brought in some sort of PR..... I would be so in favour of the single transferable vote system (STV)... maybe the best result for me is going to be a hung parliment because then the libs dems are going to get some of there policies in.....
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"Having watched the Tory manifesto launch and the excellent David Cameron I am now convinced that he's the right man to lead this country. I hate all forms of govt interference and he seems to be the only one to be saying that we can have a say in local services. Elected police commissioners The ability to boot out corrupt MPs and select a new one Even open our own schools with state money. This I like!! They have got my vote, no problemo!! sorry wishy.but i have to ask.did you ever buy a car,from del boy ? "Any govt that leaves me the fluck alone gets my vote. I hate state interference and it should be minimised as much as possible. They are there to serve us, not the other way around. As regards to the poor, can't they get of their state-supported arses and make their own way in the world. Nobody ever gave me anything so why should I support the lazy, the inept and the weak. | |||
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"forgot the 2 years freeze on council tax ....... i can imagine what will happen at the end of that be a whoppin great bloody increase and be worse than the lovely poll tax ..... xx
Two year Council Tax freeze....
It will mean countless job losses in local council workforces, the Tories also slipped in a sentence about public sector workers assuming ownership of the services they provide.
So that's all remaining council contracts going out to the public sector.
At the end of the Two years tax freeze people can expect massive rises.
As for the public getting to choose their police commissioners, what difference is that going to make to the average man in the street?
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Two year Council Tax freeze....
It will mean countless job losses in local council workforces, the Tories also slipped in a sentence about public sector workers assuming ownership of the services they provide.
So that's all remaining council contracts going out to the public sector.
At the end of the Two years tax freeze people can expect massive rises.
As for the public getting to choose their police commissioners, what difference is that going to make to the average man in the street?
Would these be the same councils that have raised the council tax year after year yet provided an ever increasing piss poor service for more money? Those councils you mean! "nowt wrong with our council low in crime low in unemployment in fact they do a bloody good job | |||
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Any govt that leaves me the fluck alone gets my vote. I hate state interference and it should be minimised as much as possible. They are there to serve us, not the other way around.
As regards to the poor, can't they get of their state-supported arses and make their own way in the world. Nobody ever gave me anything so why should I support the lazy, the inept and the weak. "and that ladies and gentleman is your average tory im alright jack sod everyone else!!!
you have children wishy?? so when nursary places get cut because of public sector cuts it wont bother you?
or the building it is in needs work desperately? or the school your child at is underperforming?
or god forbid you have an accident or illness have you got enough stashed away to see you alright and your family?
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Two year Council Tax freeze....
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So that's all remaining council contracts going out to the public sector.
At the end of the Two years tax freeze people can expect massive rises.
As for the public getting to choose their police commissioners, what difference is that going to make to the average man in the street?
Would these be the same councils that have raised the council tax year after year yet provided an ever increasing piss poor service for more money? Those councils you mean! "no increase here hasnt been for 3 years xx | |||
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"Council Tax has risen in the main because of reduced Central Government funding which has over the last two decades fallen by about 60% in real terms. Because of reduced Central Government funding local councils have little option but to trim services and hike council tax bills. Bith the Tories and Labour have slashed central funding since 1991" They are keeping income tax down whilst raising stealth taxes everywhere else, that's all to do with winning votes. Whether it's a national tax or a local tax, it's still tax to me and what I pay in income tax should cover the govt for what it needs. If it doesn't then they are wasting the money we already pay them. | |||
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"I think the statement about not wanting to support the weak says it all really... Says what? That I ain't a mug, and that I could quite easily give up my job and shaft the taxpayer for everything I can. But I don't, I have more pride than that. It's a dog eat dog world and I'm not ashamed of not wanting to dish out my hard earned to people who haven't earned it and have no intention of doing so. Thy're parasites and it isn't my job to support them - I have a family already and they are my only concern." so disabled, elderly and people who have been in accidents etc should just be shoved in a corner to die ??? xx | |||
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"I think the statement about not wanting to support the weak says it all really... Says what? That I ain't a mug, and that I could quite easily give up my job and shaft the taxpayer for everything I can. But I don't, I have more pride than that. It's a dog eat dog world and I'm not ashamed of not wanting to dish out my hard earned to people who haven't earned it and have no intention of doing so. Thy're parasites and it isn't my job to support them - I have a family already and they are my only concern." So shall we start with the disabled? They are weak and an easy target... Very 1935 Berlin | |||
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"I think the statement about not wanting to support the weak says it all really... Says what? That I ain't a mug, and that I could quite easily give up my job and shaft the taxpayer for everything I can. But I don't, I have more pride than that. It's a dog eat dog world and I'm not ashamed of not wanting to dish out my hard earned to people who haven't earned it and have no intention of doing so. Thy're parasites and it isn't my job to support them - I have a family already and they are my only concern. So shall we start with the disabled? They are weak and an easy target... Very 1935 Berlin" Their families should provide for them. That's what families do, isn't it? Or do you advocate passing the buck to someone else so YOU don't have to pick up the bill? | |||
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"Council Tax has risen in the main because of reduced Central Government funding which has over the last two decades fallen by about 60% in real terms. Because of reduced Central Government funding local councils have little option but to trim services and hike council tax bills. Bith the Tories and Labour have slashed central funding since 1991 They are keeping income tax down whilst raising stealth taxes everywhere else, that's all to do with winning votes. Whether it's a national tax or a local tax, it's still tax to me and what I pay in income tax should cover the govt for what it needs. If it doesn't then they are wasting the money we already pay them." The Tories did the same under John Major, reduced Income Tax and increased VAT.....All UK governments have done it since Thatcher onwards | |||
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"I think the statement about not wanting to support the weak says it all really... Says what? That I ain't a mug, and that I could quite easily give up my job and shaft the taxpayer for everything I can. But I don't, I have more pride than that. It's a dog eat dog world and I'm not ashamed of not wanting to dish out my hard earned to people who haven't earned it and have no intention of doing so. Thy're parasites and it isn't my job to support them - I have a family already and they are my only concern. So shall we start with the disabled? They are weak and an easy target... Very 1935 Berlin Their families should provide for them. That's what families do, isn't it? Or do you advocate passing the buck to someone else so YOU don't have to pick up the bill? "wishy i sincerely hope to god you are never in the situation where a family member needs care mate!!! as u know i had my neice for a while i also was carer to my gran and papa but had to get social services in for adaptions etc to house and a carer for a few hrs a wk to give me and everyone else a break once you in that situation you see how long it would take you to be screaming for state assistance i hope it never happens but we dont know what the fututre holds x | |||
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" The Tories did the same under John Major, reduced Income Tax and increased VAT.....All UK governments have done it since Thatcher onwards" funny you should mention this... they have interviewed more that one of the business leaders who signed the letter calling on the rise on NI contributions to be stopped.. something the conservatives proposed.. so when they asked where they should get that money from to replace the rise, they said "increase VAT"... The conservatives have said they will not raise income tax, but would not commit to raising VAT.... hmmmmm... see something coming here? heck... pass the price increase to those at the bottom rather than the businesses themselves.... one of the things i do like about the lib dem manifesto is that at least they have costed all of there major proposal so we can see how it is being paid ofr..... | |||
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"but clearly has a child in school and expects the state to educate her like all the rest "For which myself and my wife PAY income tax. Plus it would be a crime NOT to send my child to school. I would be more than happy to pay my bit for social care if the money I paind into it was spent on the frontline care that it was intended for. Not wasted on people like Sharon Shoesmith who couldn't give a flying fart about the children under her jurisdiction. Time and again we hear of children dying when they could have been rescued and soundbites that say 'this must never happen again' - but it always does, and those responsible for identifying children at risk shrug their shoulders, wash their hands of it and try to offload the blame onto someone else. Give us a social care system that works and I'll support it but don't ask me to be happy to cough up for malignant care workers who's only concern is collecting their wages at the end of each month. | |||
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"which incidently, social work etc public sector which will be cut to the bare bones under a conservative government so let them in and see how many more cases of vunerable people losing thier life comes up because not everyone has got a family to look after them, or a family who cares about them x" As opposed to Labour's SPEND SPEND SPEND now, and PAY PAY PAY much more later policy! | |||
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"well whats your suggestion then??? cut services lose lives?? open bedlam up again?? xx" Not at all. Much can be done by way of cleaning up the care system in this country starting with cutting down the levels of bureaucracy that exist and trimming the amount of consultants and advisors that place a huge strain on the finances available to frontline care workers. A fair rate of pay in line with nurses is another measure that I think is absolutely neccessary but it should go hand in hand with higher levels of qualifications in order to help those in need better. We have students leaving university with 1st Class degrees that go straight onto the dole queue. These young professionals should be targetted with greater information whilst in Uni as to what a career in the care industry could bring them, both in terms of personal development and in a sense of being a part of and contributing to the community in which they live. There is much that can be done but up until now it seems that the approach has been 'do little, and keep your head below the parapet'. | |||
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The greens are cool. Theo fight them Japanese wailer's with just paint in rubber din-gies.
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The greens are cool. Theo fight them Japanese wailer's with just paint in rubber din-gies.
And besides they will find some other crisis for us to panic over
I can see the Yips shaking in their wellies...
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"the torys did not wanna invest money in the banking crisis that this government chose to do If it were up to them, we would now be bankrupt like ICELAND WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE from the governemnt that saved us from a FAR WORSE finacial disaster we need to back them They also voted to a man (and woman) against the Minimum wage, Working Tax Credits, Child Tax Credits, Pensioners Minimum Income Guarantee......it's clear they don't give a damn about ordinary people." A banking disaster that Cheshire Cat admitted only today that he could have done more to prevent? When the banks asked for more derugulation he should have given them more rules to follow but he caved in to their demands. The over-riding thing I don't like about Brown is his instinct to run for cover when it starts getting awkward. He dodges issues and peeks out from behind the curtains to see if the nasty men have gone away. I cannot place my trust in a man like him, one that plotted and cajoled from the moment Blair won his first election to oust him and take over. He's a scary piece of work. Is Cameron any better? I don't know but I have more trust in him than Brown, not a lot more, but more never-the-less. If the LibDems were a lot stronger I would still be a party member as I was 20 years ago but they simply cannot make the inroads into the main two parties and hold the ground they gain. They cannot combat tactical voting in a way that says to the electorate, "Trust us and vote with your heart." | |||
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"the torys did not wanna invest money in the banking crisis that this government chose to do If it were up to them, we would now be bankrupt like ICELAND WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE from the governemnt that saved us from a FAR WORSE finacial disaster we need to back them They also voted to a man (and woman) against the Minimum wage, Working Tax Credits, Child Tax Credits, Pensioners Minimum Income Guarantee......it's clear they don't give a damn about ordinary people. Hopefully, the TV debates will expose what the Tories really stand for, it's certainly not for the ordinary man / woman "Labour is no better than the Torys. They are at least looking to stop some of the gross over spending by the current government. | |||
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"Thats it i am convinced i am voting the wishy party! Get standing boyo "Fankoo bruvver. Rightie then. All you lot wot didn't do stuff you should been have doing... you're sacked. All you lot wot been doing stuff you shouldn't been doing.. you're sacked too... that takes care of the bankers and the wankers. All the rest.... BBQ at mine at the weekend and you can dig my cabbage patch over. (anyone found hiding nukie missiles will be shot, nasty things, could go off in your pocket ffs) Houses: Anyone wot got one, you gotta share it with anyone wot aint got one. That's the homeless sorted. NHS: Stop fucking about and get back to work. Sheesh! Tax: I'll be introducing a new Fuck Off Tax Bracket - basically when you're asked ot cough up some dosh you say 'Fuck Off' and my taxmen, Bob and his mate Robbie (also known as two-bobs worths), will nick ya car and race it in Asda's car park on Friday nights) Dog Owners: If it bites anyone they can come round and bite you. Fair enough? Horse Owners: Get a car ffs. How can Two-Bobs race a fookin horse! Immigration: Look it's simple. We probably owned your bleedin country once and you kicked us out so if you want us back just say so and we'll pop over. No need to come here ffs, just send an email! Environment: TOLD YA SO! TOLD YA SO! TOLD YA SO! Dickheads. Believe anything won't ya. | |||
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THE TORYS created all those rich greedy bankers that robbed us
How many of them are homeless?
What do some people need for them to see whats gone on?"Your wrong to blame the Torys as there are greedy bankers world wide and there are no Torys in places like China or America but you still get the wanker banker. | |||
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Fankoo bruvver.
Rightie then. All you lot wot didn't do stuff you should been have doing... you're sacked. All you lot wot been doing stuff you shouldn't been doing.. you're sacked too... that takes care of the bankers and the wankers.
All the rest.... BBQ at mine at the weekend and you can dig my cabbage patch over.
(anyone found hiding nukie missiles will be shot, nasty things, could go off in your pocket ffs)
Houses:
Anyone wot got one, you gotta share it with anyone wot aint got one. That's the homeless sorted.
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Stop fucking about and get back to work. Sheesh!
Tax:
I'll be introducing a new Fuck Off Tax Bracket - basically when you're asked ot cough up some dosh you say 'Fuck Off' and my taxmen, Bob and his mate Robbie (also known as two-bobs worths), will nick ya car and race it in Asda's car park on Friday nights)
Dog Owners:
If it bites anyone they can come round and bite you. Fair enough?
Horse Owners:
Get a car ffs. How can Two-Bobs race a fookin horse!
Immigration:
Look it's simple. We probably owned your bleedin country once and you kicked us out so if you want us back just say so and we'll pop over. No need to come here ffs, just send an email!
Environment:
TOLD YA SO! TOLD YA SO! TOLD YA SO! Dickheads. Believe anything won't ya.
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Mandatory, you gotta be male or female. None of this dressing up malarky unless its a Tarts n Vicars Party Night down at the Wheeltappers."If you get in i want to be minister for entertainment. I would allow swinging clubs to put in for national lottery money and sports aid grants. Rock on Tommy | |||
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"Def Red - blue never, will cut localservices and we will all end up paying private healthcare - can you afford that!!! Yellow - waste of a vote as far as i'm concerned!!!!!
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I would much rather a system whereby those that can afford it can opt out of paying N.I. so long as they take out private medical cover. Those that can't afford it will still get NHS treatment."anybody who thinks the nhs is safe under the tories.is living in cloud cuckoo land.had the tories won another election the last time. we would no longer have the nhs.only rich selfish or extremely stupid people,would think this acceptable. | |||
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"We are a nuclear superpower and although Trident was developed to combat the threat of the former USSR it cannot be denied, or even debated, that the threat of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of some mad mullah is a real and present danger to our country. Until such time that nuclear weapons become obsolete I believe we should maintain our own nuclear arsenal and I'd have voted for Clegg if he didn't support the abandonment of Trident. Why? It's not stopping Iran or North Korea from trying to get their own. Would we really use it, aren't there better ways? And I don't think we are a superpower anymore." That's precisely why we should keep our own arsenal. If the mad dictators of Korea and/or Iran had nukes and knew we didn't do you think they would think twice about threatening us with them? I'm not saying they'd use them but the threat would be there and we'd have to go cap in hand to the US to protect us. No thanks. | |||
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"We are a nuclear superpower and although Trident was developed to combat the threat of the former USSR it cannot be denied, or even debated, that the threat of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of some mad mullah is a real and present danger to our country. Until such time that nuclear weapons become obsolete I believe we should maintain our own nuclear arsenal and I'd have voted for Clegg if he didn't support the abandonment of Trident. Why? It's not stopping Iran or North Korea from trying to get their own. Would we really use it, aren't there better ways? And I don't think we are a superpower anymore. That's precisely why we should keep our own arsenal. If the mad dictators of Korea and/or Iran had nukes and knew we didn't do you think they would think twice about threatening us with them? I'm not saying they'd use them but the threat would be there and we'd have to go cap in hand to the US to protect us. No thanks." You may be right, but suspect they not that bothered by us and it didn't stop them capturing and holding our Marines. It only works if they think we might use it. Dunno, I wouldn't want to wipe out a whole city of women and children, when we have Smart bombs/missiles and Special Forces that can take out their sites and their processing plants. Think Isreal will do it for us, long before that anyway in the case of Iran. | |||
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"So the public have cottoned on to Cleggy and his ever changing policies and dubious past and support is waining fast. They've realised he's just a normal politician the same as all the others lol "I am not so sure his popularity is dropping that fast yet. He has put on a far better show on TV. I think Both Cameron and Brown are desperate to blacken him in any way possible and that may back fire as the general public don't like to see someone picked on. | |||
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"So the public have cottoned on to Cleggy and his ever changing policies and dubious past and support is waining fast. They've realised he's just a normal politician the same as all the others lol
I am not so sure his popularity is dropping that fast yet. He has put on a far better show on TV. I think Both Cameron and Brown are desperate to blacken him in any way possible and that may back fire as the general public don't like to see someone picked on."I agree, they both totally underestimated Nick Clegg. He didn't even have to do a lot, just talked common sense, stood back and let the other two show themselves up as patronising, bickering schoolboys. The problem for them is that if they attack him now, it shows that they believe he is a threat - hanged if they do, hanged if the don't! | |||
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"We all know the sun picks a party and likes to say "told you so" when they win. They use all they can to promote their "horse" (ok politician). I like The times printed this the other day. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7100966.ece " now thats real journalism the facts for once | |||
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"We all know the sun picks a party and likes to say "told you so" when they win. They use all they can to promote their "horse" (ok politician). I like The times printed this the other day. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7100966.ece now thats real journalism the facts for once" well as far as possible the facts. The times has been known to manipulate but saying that its have reputation to uphold and it in my view is an honest view of the man. I presume Brown and Cameron are digesting plenty of ruffage in their diet currently. | |||
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" They were a different party then and different times. We had Scargill trying to bring the country to a halt (whilst sitting in his nice country pile btw - and then he got elected to the European Parliament and hired his entire family to 'work' for him). It's been proven that the mines weren't sustainable and that keeping them open was simply throwing money away in subsidies. Actually that wasnt the reason for the confrontation between the government and the miners at all. Maggie deliberately engineered it beacuse she wanted a showdown between the forces of capitalism and socialism in the guise of one of the country's most powerful trade unions - it was a good old fashioned class war for no other good reason than Maggies personal ideology that socialism was evil. She was quite open about that fact in her later years. The fact that she cared not one iota that families, communities and livlihoods would be destroyed in the process, was one of the most shameful episodes of the last century. I have no problem with conservatives........ but I fucking hate Tories " I hate Tories too Thatcher was a bitch No care for the common working man She would gas em like Hitler did if she could She is pure evil | |||
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"Minimum Wage.....Tories voted against in Parliament Working Family Tax Credits.....Tories voted against in Parliament Child Tax Credits.....Tories voted against in Parliament Minimum Income Guarantee for Pensioners.....Tories voted against in Parliament Sure Start.....Tories voted against in Parliament New Deal.....Tories voted against in Parliament Childcare Voucher Scheme.....Tories voted against in Parliament See the pattern? Yup, it's called OPPOSITION. Not much point in being in the opposition parties if you agree with everything the govt wants to do is there? I'm sure Labour would have opposed anything the Tories wanted to do had the situation been reversed, but I guess we'll soon find that out when the situation IS reversed on May 7th." yeah when we got either a hung parliament or lib dems..... its lookin very good for them only a 4 point difference in the polls x | |||
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2 year freeze on council tax...... then what????? oohhh a big huge hike!!xx"Labour will hike it up yealry anyway so with a 2-year freeze you could save the increase in a savings account, earn some interest on it and then the hike won't hit so hard when it does come. None of them is going to promise that they'll never increase the Council Tax so I don't see how it's a valid argument in favour of any of them. | |||
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"yeah when we got either a hung parliament or lib dems..... its lookin very good for them only a 4 point difference in the polls x" I'm actually coming round to the idea of a hung parliament and in the constituency where we live it is a fight between Labour and the LibDems, so although I want to vote Tory, if I voted tactfully it would have to be for the Libs. As I've said earlier, it's their opposition to Trident that has me most worried but they seem to have softened their attitude towards nukes in the past few days and now favour a 'cheaper' deterent. There is one policy that I am totally in favour of that the LibDems are keen on and that's a Euro Superstate. I've stated before that I believe we will one day have to have a world council and that it must start with the creation of a European Superstate, and all the teething problems that will inevitably ensue. To follow that dream to an eventuality I'd have to look at the long term view and the Libs are the only party that appear to coincide with my own principles, but I'm sure that as the idea of a Superstate takes root the other parties will adopt that policy also rather than be frozen out completely. It worries me endlessly that in the short term Labour will bankrupt this country if they win outright on May 6, so maybe a hung parliament would be the first step towards an eventual Liberal govt and then onto a European Superstate, maybe. I'm really stuck between what my heart wants and what my head is telling me. Long term or short term, either way, it doesn't feature a Labour govt. | |||
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"that bit , i dont want to lose the pound? thats a stickin point for me ! xx" That's a fair comment. I'm not sure I want to either but I know if we go in to Europe totally committed to the idea of a Euro State we'll have to give up Sterling. Maybe by doing so we can control the fluctuation of prices across the Euro Zone. What an item costs in one State should be the same in all States. Petrol being the biggest sticking point I can think of. | |||
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"that bit , i dont want to lose the pound? thats a stickin point for me ! xx That's a fair comment. I'm not sure I want to either but I know if we go in to Europe totally committed to the idea of a Euro State we'll have to give up Sterling. Maybe by doing so we can control the fluctuation of prices across the Euro Zone. What an item costs in one State should be the same in all States. Petrol being the biggest sticking point I can think of." oh yeah agree with that totally!! fuel tax is crippling the motorist and it needs to end!! as for joinin the euro superstate im no really sure iv never looked into it really xx | |||
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the tory guy refusin to acknowledge the lib dem says it either tory or labour i know scottish politics different to english but we do have a big say!! xx | |||
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"Having read the Lib Dem Manifesto you will have to enlighten me about them supporting a European Superstate. And as this is totally against Tory principals it begs the question why you are a Conservative supporter? " On crime, the Liberals favour the European Arrest Warrant and tighter integration into Europol, the European Police Office. On defence, the Liberals favour a sharing of 'military assets' and bulk buying power across the Eurozone. Two key issues that when you read between the lines to see what they actually mean it becomes clear that this can only happen within a tight European Superstate structure. The LibDems have long held the position of pro-Europe, as I recall from campaigning with and for them 20 years ago. They were strongly in favour of a Federal Europe back then and that policy has never changed, even if it doesn't say it anywhere on their website. They know it is a dividing issue and are shying away from saying it outright. | |||
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"My local candidates in werrington peterborough are steven lane and john fox and they are liberal and the only ones I see on the streets they have there walk arounds and get involved with the community have litter picking once a month around cuckoos hollow and have helped plant flowers among other things never labour or the Cons only if there is something in it for them I vote yellow" We've had a Tory leaflet through the door and that's about it really... on reflection it may have something to do with that fact I took the batteries out of the doorbell to recharge them and haven't put them back yet lol | |||
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"As I've said earlier, it's their opposition to Trident that has me most worried but they seem to have softened their attitude towards nukes in the past few days and now favour a 'cheaper' deterent." why are you opposed to the canceling of Trident wishy? I am ex military and Trident has been the bigest waste of money ever, and was noting more than another one of thatchers cons! and the ne trident replacement will be the same. | |||
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"Just because your were in the forces it doesn't make you an expert on nuclear weapons (unless you were high up in army section of nukes, which I doubt), so it's reasonable to assume that those in power who were responsible for developing and deploying the Trident system made an educated choice from all the options available at the time (I have no information about any of the other options, maybe you could enlighten me seeing as you were in the forces and probbly heard a few things eh?). I trust my govt to defend myself and my country in the most expedient of ways and if Trident was deployed it was because it was felt we needed it, and if we needed it then we must need it now as the world is a far more dangerous place than ever before. Whether it's Trident or a cheaper land-based system that we have it is far better than to have none at all." No but being ex forces shows that my objections to trident and its replacement are not due to any sort of contentious objections. As for your comments about my knowledge about "our" nuclear deterrent and your trust in our government, they show your total lack of knowledge about another subject you are spouting about. For the record your precious Tories under Margret Thatcher had a Defence review in 1981, part of that review included changing the contract with the USA for the supply of Trident. It meant changing the launch control system from a "single key" to a "dual Key" system, as a result WE DO NOT have an independent nuclear deterrent, what we have is an expensive extension of the US nuclear deterrent! The change was to save money! And was just like her decision to scrap HMS Endurance even though she was told that to do so would cause the Argies to invade the Falklands, and her decision to sell our arms industry and Helicopter industry to the yanks! If you do not believe me check in Hansard all the details of your precious Tory's reviews were published at the time including trumpeting the saving of the British US dual key system! Sorry for the deletion of my last post, forgot to run it through my spell checker and would not want to be dismissed for a spelling error! | |||
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"being duel nationality... i am going to see if i am allowed to vote here since i vote normally in the us elections.... if i do, i may well vote for the first time.... kinda excited about it, except my constituancy is about as red as they come.... shame as i am leaning yellow.... I am not of dual nationality but have residency (originally from Canada) and I am able to vote...not that I do as I really don't follow politics so really never considered voting as it wouldn't really be an informed choice...now if the candidates were the alphablocks, bob the builder and dora the explorer...I think at this point in time I could tell you more about them...lol...(ok, I have 3 small kiddiewinks...lol) "bet you iggle piggle would do a good job lol! xx | |||
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"Trident missiles were not owned by the uk,but leased from the us where all maintenance was and is carried out warheads are designed and owned by the uk can be fired independantly by the uk but not aimed at any target and not immediatly ready to fire ! At what cost ? very cheap compared to all out war which they helped prevent (cold war)The cost of a UK city being destroyed by a rogue state ! Moronic to blame Good Old Maggie for all our woes . try later history scum like Blair and Brown ! BODY BAGS STILL COMING HOME !!!!!!!!!" So as I said NOT INDEPENDANT, as for an independent deterrent Magi did away with the Lance missile regt.s they were fully independent nuclear missiles, and she also did away with the V bombers, you know the ones that were taken out of mothballs to deny the argi's use of Stanley airfield (also able to carry nukes) and the only planes to fly in the transonic envelope! Now I don't blame thatcher for everything but I do lay the blame at her door when she deserves it! As for trident we could have bought them and had complete control over the system, if my memory is correct the saving was 25 billion over 40 years and did not include the cost of servicing the missiles and I don't see how carting round missiles that the US aim and authorize the firing of helps protect us, please explain | |||
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"I don't see how carting round missiles that the US aim and authorize the firing of helps protect us, please explain "UK nuclear policy ~ The principle of operation is based on maintaining deterrent effect by always having at least one submarine at sea, and was designed for the Cold War period. One submarine is normally undergoing maintenance and the remaining two are in port or on training exercises. The missiles were "detargetted" in 1994 in time for the maiden voyage of the first Vanguard-class SSBN. This means that the warheads are no longer aimed at specific targets but await coordinates that can be received from HQ, programmed into their onboard computers and fired within a 15-minute timeframe. The final decision on firing the missiles is the responsibility of the British Prime Minister, and each holder of this office is required to write a personal letter to the commanders of the four Trident missile-carrying submarines. The letters are locked in the onboard safe on each vessel and, in the event of the submarines irrevocably losing contact with the base due to nuclear war, the decision to fire is handed over to the commander of the submarine. Each submarine carries up to 16 Trident II D-5 missiles, each of which can contain up to twelve warheads (i.e. a potential of 192 warheads); however, the British government announced in 1998 that each submarine would carry no more than 48 warheads total (without indicating how the warheads would be divided among the missiles). While this number is half the limit specified by the previous government, it represents a 50% increase in capacity over the Trident's predecessor, the Polaris A3TK Chevaline. The United Kingdom has purchased the rights to 58 Trident missiles under the Polaris Sales Agreement (modified for Trident) from a jointly maintained "pool." These missiles are fitted with UK-built warheads and are exchanged when requiring maintenance. Under the terms of the agreement THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT HAVE ANY VETO ON THE USE OF BRITISH NUCLEAR WEAPONS. While the British government states the warheads used in the UK Trident system were "designed and manufactured in the UK at the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE), Aldermaston," declassified U.S. Department of Energy documents indicate the warhead system was involved in non-nuclear design activities alongside the U.S. W76 nuclear warhead fitted in some US Navy Trident missiles. The National Audit Office noted that most of the warhead development and production expenditure was incurred in the US. The U.S. President authorised the transfer of nuclear warhead components to the UK between the years 1991 to 1996. This has led the Federation of American Scientists to speculate that the UK warhead may share design information from the W76; a practice which is encouraged by the 1958 US-UK Mutual Defence Agreement. | |||
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"UK nuclear policy ~ The principle of operation is based on maintaining deterrent effect by always having at least one submarine at sea, and was designed for the Cold War period. One submarine is normally undergoing maintenance and the remaining two are in port or on training exercises. The missiles were "detargetted" in 1994 in time for the maiden voyage of the first Vanguard-class SSBN. This means that the warheads are no longer aimed at specific targets but await coordinates that can be received from HQ, programmed into their onboard computers and fired within a 15-minute timeframe. The final decision on firing the missiles is the responsibility of the British Prime Minister, and each holder of this office is required to write a personal letter to the commanders of the four Trident missile-carrying submarines. The letters are locked in the onboard safe on each vessel and, in the event of the submarines irrevocably losing contact with the base due to nuclear war, the decision to fire is handed over to the commander of the submarine. Each submarine carries up to 16 Trident II D-5 missiles, each of which can contain up to twelve warheads (i.e. a potential of 192 warheads); however, the British government announced in 1998 that each submarine would carry no more than 48 warheads total (without indicating how the warheads would be divided among the missiles). While this number is half the limit specified by the previous government, it represents a 50% increase in capacity over the Trident's predecessor, the Polaris A3TK Chevaline. The United Kingdom has purchased the rights to 58 Trident missiles under the Polaris Sales Agreement (modified for Trident) from a jointly maintained "pool." These missiles are fitted with UK-built warheads and are exchanged when requiring maintenance. Under the terms of the agreement THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT HAVE ANY VETO ON THE USE OF BRITISH NUCLEAR WEAPONS. While the British government states the warheads used in the UK Trident system were "designed and manufactured in the UK at the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE), Aldermaston," declassified U.S. Department of Energy documents indicate the warhead system was involved in non-nuclear design activities alongside the U.S. W76 nuclear warhead fitted in some US Navy Trident missiles. The National Audit Office noted that most of the warhead development and production expenditure was incurred in the US. The U.S. President authorised the transfer of nuclear warhead components to the UK between the years 1991 to 1996. This has led the Federation of American Scientists to speculate that the UK warhead may share design information from the W76; a practice which is encouraged by the 1958 US-UK Mutual Defence Agreement." Which piece of propaganda did you cut and past that from? | |||
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"UK nuclear policy ~ The principle of operation is based on maintaining deterrent effect by always having at least one submarine at sea, and was designed for the Cold War period. One submarine is normally undergoing maintenance and the remaining two are in port or on training exercises. The missiles were "detargetted" in 1994 in time for the maiden voyage of the first Vanguard-class SSBN. This means that the warheads are no longer aimed at specific targets but await coordinates that can be received from HQ, programmed into their onboard computers and fired within a 15-minute timeframe. The final decision on firing the missiles is the responsibility of the British Prime Minister, and each holder of this office is required to write a personal letter to the commanders of the four Trident missile-carrying submarines. The letters are locked in the onboard safe on each vessel and, in the event of the submarines irrevocably losing contact with the base due to nuclear war, the decision to fire is handed over to the commander of the submarine. Each submarine carries up to 16 Trident II D-5 missiles, each of which can contain up to twelve warheads (i.e. a potential of 192 warheads); however, the British government announced in 1998 that each submarine would carry no more than 48 warheads total (without indicating how the warheads would be divided among the missiles). While this number is half the limit specified by the previous government, it represents a 50% increase in capacity over the Trident's predecessor, the Polaris A3TK Chevaline. The United Kingdom has purchased the rights to 58 Trident missiles under the Polaris Sales Agreement (modified for Trident) from a jointly maintained "pool." These missiles are fitted with UK-built warheads and are exchanged when requiring maintenance. Under the terms of the agreement THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT HAVE ANY VETO ON THE USE OF BRITISH NUCLEAR WEAPONS. While the British government states the warheads used in the UK Trident system were "designed and manufactured in the UK at the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE), Aldermaston," declassified U.S. Department of Energy documents indicate the warhead system was involved in non-nuclear design activities alongside the U.S. W76 nuclear warhead fitted in some US Navy Trident missiles. The National Audit Office noted that most of the warhead development and production expenditure was incurred in the US. The U.S. President authorised the transfer of nuclear warhead components to the UK between the years 1991 to 1996. This has led the Federation of American Scientists to speculate that the UK warhead may share design information from the W76; a practice which is encouraged by the 1958 US-UK Mutual Defence Agreement. Which piece of propaganda did you cut and past that from?" Do some research. 1958 US-UK Mutual Defence Agreement Polaris Sales Agreement ~ Why do you have a problem with copying & pasting? It is freely available information to anyone who wants to look for it and I see no point rewriting something that has been written succinctly enough for me to use as a reference source. | |||
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"Bramall retired from the armed services in 1985 ~ Ramsbotham retired from the armed services in 1990 (incidentally, his career was almost derailed when as the army's director of public relations he leaked documents to a journalist which showed that prior to the Falklands War the army had developed a comprehensive plan for dealing with the media, but it had been overlooked; and the army was subsequently criticised for not having done such planning.) ~ Beach retired from the army in 1981 ~ Cordingly retired from the army in 2000. He led the 7th Armoured in Iraq in 1991 but was opposed to the second Gulf War and has frequently spoken out against it citing his concern that many thousands of civilians would die unnecessarily. ~ Four former commanders sure, but I'd question the integrity of at least one of them, the age of three of them in terms of understanding modern warfare, and the religious piety of another to form an abstract view on nuclear weapons. But, they are former commanders aren't they." and therefore just the people to admit that they nor their political masters had control over a £120 billion weapon system that was supposed to be our ultimate defense! | |||
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Do you take the opposing view just to oppose? I've already provided reliable information that the US does not have a veto on the use of British Nuclear Weapons but you are choosing to simply ignore that fact. The Prime Minister has overall control of the launch of British Nuclear Weapons and that cannot be desputed - even by barrack room lawyers. "only if the yanks give prior permission, unless thatcher lied to the commons when explaining why she was renting the missiles rather than buying them! Either way it proves that Tories cant even be trusted with defending this country. LoL | |||
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"for the record it was thatcher who told Parliament that by having a duel key system with the USA that we would save billions! At the time she said that there would never come a time when we would want to act independently of the USA. Less than a year later we were going to the Falklands and the yanks were refusing to help in any way! That is a matter of record!" You are confusing the dual-key system as something that requires someone in the US and someone in the UK to press a button simultaneously. So please allow me to clear that up for you. Since the 1958 US-UK Mutual Defence Agreement, the United States and the United Kingdom have cooperated extensively on nuclear security matters. The special relationship between the two states has involved the exchange of classified scientific information and nuclear materials such as plutonium. The UK has not run an independent nuclear weapons delivery system development and production programme since the cancellation of the Blue Streak missile in the 1960s, instead it has pursued joint development (for its own use) of US delivery systems, designed and manufactured by Lockheed Martin, and fitting them with warheads designed and manufactured by the UK's Atomic Weapons Research Establishment and its successor the Atomic Weapons Establishment. In 1974 a US proliferation assessment noted that "In many cases [Britain's sensitive technology in nuclear and missile fields] is based on technology received from the US and could not legitimately be passed on without US permission." In contrast with the other permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, the United Kingdom currently operates only a SINGLE NUCLEAR WEAPON DELIVERY SYSTEM since decommissioning its tactical WE.177 free-falling nuclear bombs in 1998. | |||
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only if the yanks give prior permission, unless thatcher lied to the commons when explaining why she was renting the missiles rather than buying them! Either way it proves that Tories cant even be trusted with defending this country. LoL"TSK.. You just won't accept irrefutable evidence that renders your argument invalid will you. What part of "US, no veto, british, nuclear, weapons" do you not understand? | |||
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"47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives" Ian Botham is about to begin his next walk for Leukemia, the 25th Anniversary of his 1st walk in aid of Leukemia. 25 years ago the survival rate of leukemai was a mere 10%, today it is 90%. Botham has raised over £12m for research into leukemia. But is the credit down to him? Or to the army of research physicians who have worked tirelessly for decades to find a cure for such diseases. Can Labour therefore claim credit for reducing cancer survival rates, or is it simply that the research conducted under both Labour and the Conservatives before them have made such reductions possible. Look under the spin for the real heroes. The unsung ones who dedicate their lives to curing things like cancer. | |||
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"47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives Ian Botham is about to begin his next walk for Leukemia, the 25th Anniversary of his 1st walk in aid of Leukemia. 25 years ago the survival rate of leukemai was a mere 10%, today it is 90%. Botham has raised over £12m for research into leukemia. But is the credit down to him? Or to the army of research physicians who have worked tirelessly for decades to find a cure for such diseases. Can Labour therefore claim credit for reducing cancer survival rates, or is it simply that the research conducted under both Labour and the Conservatives before them have made such reductions possible. Look under the spin for the real heroes. The unsung ones who dedicate their lives to curing things like cancer." Research in to various illnesses has come on in leaps and bounds over the last 10 years or so. As for dedicating their lives, research scientists I believe get paid for the role they undertake. | |||
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"Research in to various illnesses has come on in leaps and bounds over the last 10 years or so. As for dedicating their lives, research scientists I believe get paid for the role they undertake." Of course they do, as do we all get paid for the work we do. That doesn't detract from the marvellous breakthroughs these men & women make in the field of medicine. All I'm saying is that the govt can claim reduction rates under it's governorship but is it really directly responsible for those reductions. And I know the Tories would have put exactly the same spin on it too. As would the LibDems. I'll happily concede that Labour has had some very good successes during it's time in government but I simply feel that we need a change of direction in this country. LibDems? Possibly. Tories? Maybe. I'm not sure which of them I want to win now. | |||
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"being duel nationality... i am going to see if i am allowed to vote here since i vote normally in the us elections.... if i do, i may well vote for the first time.... kinda excited about it, except my constituancy is about as red as they come.... shame as i am leaning yellow.... I am not of dual nationality but have residency (originally from Canada) and I am able to vote...not that I do as I really don't follow politics so really never considered voting as it wouldn't really be an informed choice...now if the candidates were the alphablocks, bob the builder and dora the explorer...I think at this point in time I could tell you more about them...lol...(ok, I have 3 small kiddiewinks...lol)
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If you'd rather talk to potential lap dancing club reps about a freebie night at Helga's House of Pain you just gotta say so matey
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Ya daft prat. I said I was impressed with GEORDIES!! So much so I married one of em!
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Ya daft prat. I said I was impressed with GEORDIES!! So much so I married one of em!
Well they thin your a true leftie now! The Daveites will be studying the google images of your drum so they can leaflet you big time
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Ya daft prat. I said I was impressed with GEORDIES!! So much so I married one of em!
Well they thin your a true leftie now! The Daveites will be studying the google images of your drum so they can leaflet you big time
That'll come in handy then, forgot to get some bog roll at Sainsbury's earlier.
Chuff you have gone green then! "S'my fave colour. Blue suits me too though, not so good in red, and yellow just clashes with my eyes (which are blue too). | |||
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Ya daft prat. I said I was impressed with GEORDIES!! So much so I married one of em!
Well they thin your a true leftie now! The Daveites will be studying the google images of your drum so they can leaflet you big time
That'll come in handy then, forgot to get some bog roll at Sainsbury's earlier.
Chuff you have gone green then!
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"Admin: Hope this is allowed seeing as this is a political thread and the link is related to what we're debating here. Please remove if it's against site rules. Thanks. =========================== I saw this video on youtube from the Conservatives about what happens in the UK under ONE MINUTE of Labour government. It's scarey even if the figures are 50% accurate, if it's 100% accurate then this government has GOT to go. ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qba6Yj6BJY ~ Sorry but it your political pontificating over how Evil the labour party has been is getting a little pathetic. The Torys are nothing more than rich little brats wishing to line the rich's pockets to the detriment of masses. I made it clear what the link was about - you CHOSE to go look at it so don't bitch to me if you saw something you didn't like. If you didn't look at it, what are you so scared of??" Sick and tired of your political ranting. You have had one thread closed due to misquoting an Australian MP. Stop ramming your views down others throats as its tiresome. | |||
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"Admin: Hope this is allowed seeing as this is a political thread and the link is related to what we're debating here. Please remove if it's against site rules. Thanks. =========================== I saw this video on youtube from the Conservatives about what happens in the UK under ONE MINUTE of Labour government. It's scarey even if the figures are 50% accurate, if it's 100% accurate then this government has GOT to go. ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qba6Yj6BJY ~ Sorry but it your political pontificating over how Evil the labour party has been is getting a little pathetic. The Torys are nothing more than rich little brats wishing to line the rich's pockets to the detriment of masses. I made it clear what the link was about - you CHOSE to go look at it so don't bitch to me if you saw something you didn't like. If you didn't look at it, what are you so scared of?? Sick and tired of your political ranting. You have had one thread closed due to misquoting an Australian MP. Stop ramming your views down others throats as its tiresome." It's a political thread ffs!!! sheesh! what do you think is going to be discussed on a political thread - mint fookin jelly??? Plenty of Labour supporters have posted on this thread, as have plenty of LibDems but it seems it's just Tory supporters you have a problem with. Or maybe politics altogether, in which case I suggest you go make some paper doilies or something equally less taxing. | |||
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"Admin: Hope this is allowed seeing as this is a political thread and the link is related to what we're debating here. Please remove if it's against site rules. Thanks. =========================== I saw this video on youtube from the Conservatives about what happens in the UK under ONE MINUTE of Labour government. It's scarey even if the figures are 50% accurate, if it's 100% accurate then this government has GOT to go. ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qba6Yj6BJY ~ Sorry but it your political pontificating over how Evil the labour party has been is getting a little pathetic. The Torys are nothing more than rich little brats wishing to line the rich's pockets to the detriment of masses. I made it clear what the link was about - you CHOSE to go look at it so don't bitch to me if you saw something you didn't like. If you didn't look at it, what are you so scared of?? Sick and tired of your political ranting. You have had one thread closed due to misquoting an Australian MP. Stop ramming your views down others throats as its tiresome. It's a political thread ffs!!! sheesh! what do you think is going to be discussed on a political thread - mint fookin jelly??? Plenty of Labour supporters have posted on this thread, as have plenty of LibDems but it seems it's just Tory supporters you have a problem with. Or maybe politics altogether, in which case I suggest you go make some paper doilies or something equally less taxing. "Do you not get it? There is a big difference between a debate and you force feeding sycophantic manipulated bullshit down peoples throats. You have posted untruths recently with severely manipulated misquotes in other threads. If your going to push your point be a man and accept the response you will get. | |||
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"The article about the Aussie PM has been circulated the whole world over and probably quoted in thousands of forums - just like this one. If they felt that strongly about him being misquoted then I'm more than happy to supply my name and address and they can come and sue me. I don't have a problem with that. I explained on the thread that I didn't know it was a scam and that a former Aussie PM was as outspoken on that same issue as the article suggested, I assumed they were all like that over there - no nonsense types you know, say it like it is. As for force feeding sycophantic bullshit down the throats of my fellow member swingers - I think you do them a great disservice by suggesting that they are not capable of making their own minds up about where their political beliefs lie. Many very eloquent posters, from all sides of the political divide have posted on this thread and, in the main, it's been interpeted as healthy debate. Yours is the first post to be openly abusive. " You really get defensive don't you! Well if you don't like negative reaction then don't push your views on others. As for posting lies and miss information well you posted it without doing any research. Even admin pointed that out. If you cant stand the fire stay out of the kitchen. | |||
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"The article about the Aussie PM has been circulated the whole world over and probably quoted in thousands of forums - just like this one. If they felt that strongly about him being misquoted then I'm more than happy to supply my name and address and they can come and sue me. I don't have a problem with that. I explained on the thread that I didn't know it was a scam and that a former Aussie PM was as outspoken on that same issue as the article suggested, I assumed they were all like that over there - no nonsense types you know, say it like it is. As for force feeding sycophantic bullshit down the throats of my fellow member swingers - I think you do them a great disservice by suggesting that they are not capable of making their own minds up about where their political beliefs lie. Many very eloquent posters, from all sides of the political divide have posted on this thread and, in the main, it's been interpeted as healthy debate. Yours is the first post to be openly abusive. You really get defensive don't you! Well if you don't like negative reaction then don't push your views on others. As for posting lies and miss information well you posted it without doing any research. Even admin pointed that out. If you cant stand the fire stay out of the kitchen." It's not defensive, it's debate. You have your opinion, I have mine, they don't coincide so obviously you'll disagree with me and I'll disagree with you. Your problem is that you resort to abuse where nobody else on thsi thread has. I don't want this thread closed as there is still over a week to go to the election so I'll argue no more with you. | |||
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"The article about the Aussie PM has been circulated the whole world over and probably quoted in thousands of forums - just like this one. If they felt that strongly about him being misquoted then I'm more than happy to supply my name and address and they can come and sue me. I don't have a problem with that. I explained on the thread that I didn't know it was a scam and that a former Aussie PM was as outspoken on that same issue as the article suggested, I assumed they were all like that over there - no nonsense types you know, say it like it is. As for force feeding sycophantic bullshit down the throats of my fellow member swingers - I think you do them a great disservice by suggesting that they are not capable of making their own minds up about where their political beliefs lie. Many very eloquent posters, from all sides of the political divide have posted on this thread and, in the main, it's been interpeted as healthy debate. Yours is the first post to be openly abusive. You really get defensive don't you! Well if you don't like negative reaction then don't push your views on others. As for posting lies and miss information well you posted it without doing any research. Even admin pointed that out. If you cant stand the fire stay out of the kitchen. It's not defensive, it's debate. You have your opinion, I have mine, they don't coincide so obviously you'll disagree with me and I'll disagree with you. Your problem is that you resort to abuse where nobody else on thsi thread has. I don't want this thread closed as there is still over a week to go to the election so I'll argue no more with you." Here we go trying to make out its a personal thing. Its your constant attempts of pushing your views on here that get tiresome VERY tiresome! I suggest building your self a soap box and going ad preaching in your local town centre. You will get backlash there too and by the looks of it you handle criticism badly. | |||
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"aye every party will have their own version but its the version that is right and true that we probably never see!! the internet is goin to be very important for this election as it now the most common form of media being used and cant be policed the same way as the papers and tv can be! you got your opinions i got mine everyone got them! i can honestly say you havent convinced me to vote tory if anythin made me less likely to vote for them if that was even possible lol x "The funny this is... all this bru-haha about me being a tory.... I'm voting LibDem because up here it's a two-way scrap between Labour and the LibDems so if I vote with my heart and go blue, the labour chap will win, and thats something I absolutely don't want. | |||
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"As it’s considered ‘poor form’ to put a candidate against ‘The Speaker seeking re-election’, our voting paper gives a choice of John Bercow or UKIP, The Official Monster Raving Loony Party, The Christian Party, BNP, Cut The Deficit Party and 5 independent candidates. So Buckingham won't be red or blue or yellow or even green! "oooh i would choose the loony party!! xx | |||
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"There were a record number of new schools opened in the first Five years of Blairs government, all Cameron is advocating is taking the control for new schools away from Local Education Authorities and handing it to charities. So no more new schools than are already planned for the next decade, just changing who runs them. Expect to see most of these 'Educational Charities' to be selective schools. " very selective i would imagine!! it would be the pick of the bunch pupils and i would hazard a bet that the ones from the not so good schools get left behind! its straight back to the class divide with that idea!! keep the workin classes where they are and down the line the what school did you attend question will ruin many a persons chance at a job xx | |||
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"There were a record number of new schools opened in the first Five years of Blairs government, all Cameron is advocating is taking the control for new schools away from Local Education Authorities and handing it to charities. So no more new schools than are already planned for the next decade, just changing who runs them. Expect to see most of these 'Educational Charities' to be selective schools. very selective i would imagine!! it would be the pick of the bunch pupils and i would hazard a bet that the ones from the not so good schools get left behind! its straight back to the class divide with that idea!! keep the workin classes where they are and down the line the what school did you attend question will ruin many a persons chance at a job xx" The truth is that deep into the recession a couple of Private schools in my area found themselves in deep financial woe, these schools were very selective with the parents carpark full of Porsche Cayennes and Lexus Jeeps. The families of these children are almost all farmers, when the recesiion hit these schools lobbied the government for financial aid.....helped by the local Tory MP Anthony Steen (the guy with the expense scandal over his moat and duck house) They want to be selective when it suits them to keep working class kids out of the school, but want to become charities when the Tories offer them the promise of future funding. | |||
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"one of the problems i see with that is that we would have more faith based schools somethin i oppose completely as it creates prejudice. how many people would be up in arms if a muslim faith school opened up using tax payers money? on top of that its the usual tory guise if you got the money to do it you can!xx" I am far more worried that as Cameron has been courting the church running up to the election we will see a lot more Catholic schools and Church of England schools. He has almost certainly sold his soul to the church for their support in the election, they will expect payback. | |||
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"one of the problems i see with that is that we would have more faith based schools somethin i oppose completely as it creates prejudice. how many people would be up in arms if a muslim faith school opened up using tax payers money? on top of that its the usual tory guise if you got the money to do it you can!xx I am far more worried that as Cameron has been courting the church running up to the election we will see a lot more Catholic schools and Church of England schools. He has almost certainly sold his soul to the church for their support in the election, they will expect payback." no doubt! he has been courtin the churches and they will expect their pound of flesh but hopefully we wont have to worry about it!x | |||
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"I believe that LEA's know best where new schools are needed, parent power will just result in confusion. Although there is a problem in some areas where local kids can't get into their local schools there is a bigger problem....that is pushy parents insisting their kids go to schools miles away from their homes. These 'Upwardly Mobile' parents will end up having far too much say where our education budget is spent. Imagine post election England with a Conservative government, there is enough money for a new school to be spent in a certain area....will that money honestly be spent on a school in the middle of a council estate?, or the middle class area who feel they are more worthy? Cameron dare not alienate his core voters should he form a government, or he is guaranteeing a single term." If he betrays those Labour voters who have turned to his promises he will also find himself in a single term government. He knows what is at stake and he has to appease everybody or he's out. It's a myth that the Tories only care about the rich as it is also a myth that Labout represent the working class. Both parties have moved considerably from those principles yet Labour hold the industrial heartlands of the UK whilst the Tories/Libdems hold the more rural areas. You only have to look at the political map of the UK to see that Labour traditionally win the inner cities (except Westminster) where the population is more concentrated and there are far more seats available. The polls seem to contradict what constitutes a trad. Labour supporter and a trad. Tory supporter as the swings that the Tories are enjoying are at Labour's expense, whereas I would say that the true split is between the Tories/Libdems. I've never enjoyed a Gen Election as much as this one and I'm itching for May 6 to see who comes out on top. | |||
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"What colour is the UK Independence Party (UKIP)..... not that I'll be voting for them, as the guy they had interviewed the other day was a twat." Purple. bleeeurgh! | |||
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"and all the while thatcher was in power, the city bankers got richer, landlords owned more property, amd the tories got richer and richer and richer and richer mmm a blue vote is not for the working man " neither is red anymore
ill vote for whoever will close the boarders thats not preduice in any way we have friends both swinging and vanilla of most races but were an island and enuf is enuf theres only so much space to go around | |||
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"Well, it's finally been called - Election 2010!!! I'm voting Conservative this time. Are you Red, Blue or Yellow? "Conservative will win hands down | |||
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"and all the while thatcher was in power, the city bankers got richer, landlords owned more property, amd the tories got richer and richer and richer and richer mmm a blue vote is not for the working man neither is red anymore
ill vote for whoever will close the boarders thats not preduice in any way we have friends both swinging and vanilla of most races but were an island and enuf is enuf theres only so much space to go around "Close the borders to who?, you can't close them to EU citizens so it must mean non EU.....until of course we need Doctors, Nurses etc. | |||
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"I'm still undecided, not had anyone knock or even a flyer from any party through the door, no doubt I'll hear them polling day going round in the car with a megophone that can hardly be understood "I've just had a whole variety of leaflets put throught the door in one go.... I'm just comparing now. | |||
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"Owwww the BNP one is quite clever... they've used quotes from the pubic (so they can write a pile of unsubstantiated crap and not be held accountable for ermmmmm lying.) And I love this line (not a Joe Public quote, this is one of their own) "... there is a clear moral choice: The BNP and peace or the war-mongering politicians."... are they not politicians then? whoops forgot of course they’re not lol. It gets better, they have a photo of Winston Churchill… wasn’t he a wartime PM famous for saying “We’ll fight them on the beaches” " As apposed to the BNP quote "we'll fight them on the streets of Burnley" | |||
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"Are you Red, Blue or Yellow none of the above. "same here | |||
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"You are faced with two choices: 1) Continue supporting Wales & Scotland from Westminster 2) The break up of Great Britain. ~ If parliament votes to discontinue support for Wales & Scotland and they become self funding then those countries will see no benefit in being as part of the Union - and I wouldn't blame them. I am a Unionist and I believe that both Wales and Scotland give the Union far more than they take from it. Many Scots and Welsh have died defending the Union so I think they've earned the right to be looked after from Westminster the same as their English counterparts." possibly one of the most sensible things you have ever said!! im all for devolved assemblies but remaining part of the union xx | |||
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"You are faced with two choices: 1) Continue supporting Wales & Scotland from Westminster 2) The break up of Great Britain. ~ If parliament votes to discontinue support for Wales & Scotland and they become self funding then those countries will see no benefit in being as part of the Union - and I wouldn't blame them. I am a Unionist and I believe that both Wales and Scotland give the Union far more than they take from it. Many Scots and Welsh have died defending the Union so I think they've earned the right to be looked after from Westminster the same as their English counterparts. possibly one of the most sensible things you have ever said!! im all for devolved assemblies but remaining part of the union xx" erm.... one a few sensible things or one of many?.. I'm not sure whether I should feel insulted or not hehehe xx | |||
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"sayin nothin!! xx"You'll get splinters up yer arse from that fence you know! | |||
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didnt know there was one on or i would have watched it! what channel i might catch it later if anythin it will put me off dinner lol x | |||
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"Staunch Working Class man here, Im voting Conservative" Care to share your reasoning with us? Would make for better discussion. | |||
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