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Crisis Payments

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The Local Welfare Provision Grant (crisis loans and payments from local authorities) will disappear next year.

The fund is also used by some local authorities to support food banks.

Did you notice?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its going - but being replaced with a different scheme run locally (with about half the budget!!) - and many local authorities are having to spread the funds available over a year equally for budgeting purposes.

Which means an identical application at the end if the month may be declined whereas at the start of the month it will be agreed!

Making things very complicated and will result in people being told to 'try again next week'!

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Its going - but being replaced with a different scheme run locally (with about half the budget!!) - and many local authorities are having to spread the funds available over a year equally for budgeting purposes.

Which means an identical application at the end if the month may be declined whereas at the start of the month it will be agreed!

Making things very complicated and will result in people being told to 'try again next week'! "

You did notice. Good.

As the charity routes for crisis payments already require a local authority sign off and are overwhelmed at the moment this is really going to hit the most in need very hard indeed.

A discretionary fund becoming even more discretionary and central government able to say that local decisions have nothing to do with them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Buck = well and truly passed!

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

What do crisis loans cover, from what I remember they where for things like washing machines etc but not for everyday items like food

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"What do crisis loans cover, from what I remember they where for things like washing machines etc but not for everyday items like food

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Yes, white goods have been covered along with beds, school uniforms and more recently payments to food banks for which the person applying for a loan for food gets a voucher to go to the food bank.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

We have a charity here called home start, money is either donated or people donate furniture etc they no longer need. Then when someone is setting up home usually young families they get given stuff they need

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

I thought crisis loans from the jobcentre had already gone but I've never looked into it that much so could be mistaken. Or are the payments you're referring to different from the JCP ones?

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I thought crisis loans from the jobcentre had already gone but I've never looked into it that much so could be mistaken. Or are the payments you're referring to different from the JCP ones? "

These are part of the JCP package that was transferred to local authorities in 2013.

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

Ahh I see.

Hmm the idea of taking a voucher to a food bank seems odd. Do they then get to choose which items they spend their voucher on? Does the food bank get the cash from the LA to replenish their supplies?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Ahh I see.

Hmm the idea of taking a voucher to a food bank seems odd. Do they then get to choose which items they spend their voucher on? Does the food bank get the cash from the LA to replenish their supplies? "

Food banks often rely on charitable donations. I give to a local one.

This is just another way of passing welfare over to charity. It's a Victorian idea. Tories do love the good old days.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Ahh I see.

Hmm the idea of taking a voucher to a food bank seems odd. Do they then get to choose which items they spend their voucher on? Does the food bank get the cash from the LA to replenish their supplies? "

The voucher is to ensure that cash is not given to people. The food banks that work with local authorities get a payment for the vouchers.

Diamonds, your point on recycling schemes is that some of the fund has been used in some local authorities to help create these schemes. Where local authorities have been clever they have combined waste funding with this to support provision of furniture to those in need.

It's not a huge fund as it's only £172m across the country but it goes in 2015/16.

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

Oh I know food banks rely on donated food and money i just wondered if, since the local authority were sending people there, would they be covering the cost of the food.

When's the next election again?

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Oh I know food banks rely on donated food and money i just wondered if, since the local authority were sending people there, would they be covering the cost of the food.

When's the next election again? "

Just before the last payment on this scheme is made.

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

Ah I'm glad they will be paid for the vouchers, I just didn't see the point otherwise because those people could have just gone to the food bank for food without a voucher.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Ahh I see.

Hmm the idea of taking a voucher to a food bank seems odd. Do they then get to choose which items they spend their voucher on? Does the food bank get the cash from the LA to replenish their supplies?

The voucher is to ensure that cash is not given to people. The food banks that work with local authorities get a payment for the vouchers.

Diamonds, your point on recycling schemes is that some of the fund has been used in some local authorities to help create these schemes. Where local authorities have been clever they have combined waste funding with this to support provision of furniture to those in need.

It's not a huge fund as it's only £172m across the country but it goes in 2015/16."
I'm not sure it has been going at least 10 years, but its one of the local fundraising charities

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


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Diamonds, your point on recycling schemes is that some of the fund has been used in some local authorities to help create these schemes. Where local authorities have been clever they have combined waste funding with this to support provision of furniture to those in need.

It's not a huge fund as it's only £172m across the country but it goes in 2015/16.I'm not sure it has been going at least 10 years, but its one of the local fundraising charities"

The schemes have been going for a long time. I helped set up a furniture recycling charity for this purpose over 20 years ago. Fundraising was and is important but what got it off the ground was a grant that enabled us to get the space for the scheme to operate. Not all local authorities use the crisis funds in exactly the same way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Social Fund Crisis loans do cover for 'food and living expenses' but do seem to vary greatly from area to area on a decision makers interpretation of the guidance. Vouchers were given out for the same reason that giros were removed- unfortunately it is the usual story of the dishonest minority ruining things for those who are desperately in crisis

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