FabSwingers.com forum: I have a RIGHT !

By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

So many people use it ......

We have a right...it's a human right.... they have a right .... etc etc

What EXACTLY do people have a RIGHT to?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

The assumption that they deserve respect until proved otherwise, food and shelter.

Excellent question.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

In my house, everyone has a right...

To shut up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So many people use it ......

We have a right...it's a human right.... they have a right .... etc etc

What EXACTLY do people have a RIGHT to?"

freedom, equality, respect, happiness and the right to live without fear.

I am sure I have missed a few.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

alot of people on here should exercise they're right to remain silent lol

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"So many people use it ......

We have a right...it's a human right.... they have a right .... etc etc

What EXACTLY do people have a RIGHT to?

freedom, equality, respect, happiness and the right to live without fear.

I am sure I have missed a few."

Is happiness a right? Is everyone capable of it?

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Nope.

No one has a right to happiness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope.

No one has a right to happiness. "

that's your opinion......

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Could happiness not be seen as a choice ?

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

No it's not my opinion.

My opinion is that happiness is a good thing and i'd wish it for everyone.

But nowhere is it enshrined that people have a right to happiness.

It's because the word is used so loosely that I asked what 'rights' we actually do have.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Could happiness not be seen as a choice ? "

I think it's what we'd all have if our other rights were fulfilled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So many people use it ......

We have a right...it's a human right.... they have a right .... etc etc

What EXACTLY do people have a RIGHT to?"

i have a right to my left

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Everyone should have a right to exercise freedom of speech, sadly this isn't the case

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"So many people use it ......

We have a right...it's a human right.... they have a right .... etc etc

What EXACTLY do people have a RIGHT to?

i have a right to my left

I have a left to my right ! We must be twins.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Everyone should have a right to exercise freedom of speech, sadly this isn't the case

That IS a right. As long as it isn't inciteful and is mindful of others.

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By *nigmatic1Woman
over a year ago

A seaside town near you!

I have a right not to reply to idiotic messages without getting grief about it grrrrr!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure anyone has a right to anything. The law says you do and that's a different matter. But in reality, anything we have can be taken away at any moment and there's nothing that sometimes we can do for it.

I think that the "right" to certain things just reflects the hurt or upset that would be caused if they were taken away. So we have a right to a roof over our head, some benefits etc... and some people say that we have a right to happiness. And I think that is because the people who say that wouldn't like it taken away from them, or would like more for themselves and others. Hmm, to put it another way, a right I think doesn't exist, it's just a reflection of some people thinking of others and themselves in a way they think positive.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I have a right not to reply to idiotic messages without getting grief about it grrrrr!!!

Does the messenger have the right to a reply ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So many people use it ......

We have a right...it's a human right.... they have a right .... etc etc

What EXACTLY do people have a RIGHT to?

freedom, equality, respect, happiness and the right to live without fear.

I am sure I have missed a few.

Is happiness a right? Is everyone capable of it?"

I'm not

forever alone, woohoo!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"alot of people on here should exercise they're right to remain silent lol

Don't have that right in the UK any more, got taken away in the 80's

UK citizens have the right to pay tax

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By *atcherofmyballsMan
over a year ago

hereford

To party

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It irks me when people go on about their rights but don't display any of the responsibility that goes with them. Pissed up scrotes getting arrested for tearing up the town, then quoting their rights. Grrrrrrr

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I'm not sure anyone has a right to anything. The law says you do and that's a different matter. But in reality, anything we have can be taken away at any moment and there's nothing that sometimes we can do for it.

Well I can't be happy without a Lambho... Lambag..... big car....... so get me one NOW!

And a mango solero!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So many people use it ......

We have a right...it's a human right.... they have a right .... etc etc

What EXACTLY do people have a RIGHT to?

freedom, equality, respect, happiness and the right to live without fear.

So convicted Peadophiles, Rapists, Murderers, Racists have all those rights you have just listed? Yet there are a lot of people who aren't happy and live in fear due to yobs or even because of the financial state we're in. I believe once someone is convicted of these crimes. Their rights should go out the window.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"It irks me when people go on about their rights but don't display any of the responsibility that goes with them. Pissed up scrotes getting arrested for tearing up the town, then quoting their rights. Grrrrrrr"

Precisely. I have a right to this .... a right to that ....

Never do they think of showing respect to others ... gimme gimme gimme gits.

Are you very tense ?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Could happiness not be seen as a choice ? "

In many circumstances it could but a person suffering from clinical depression or a child living with abusive parents don't have that choice.

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By *nigmatic1Woman
over a year ago

A seaside town near you!

"I have a right not to reply to idiotic messages without getting grief about it grrrrr!!!

Does the messenger have the right to a reply ?"

Depends how moronic the message is ...wouldn't you agree?

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"So many people use it ......

We have a right...it's a human right.... they have a right .... etc etc

What EXACTLY do people have a RIGHT to?

freedom, equality, respect, happiness and the right to live without fear.

Their right to liberty does - if caught. Do you think they should lose EVERY human right ?

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I have a right not to reply to idiotic messages without getting grief about it grrrrr!!!

Does the messenger have the right to a reply ?

Depends how moronic the message is ...wouldn't you agree?"

Nah. I don't believe they have a right to a reply but you hold the power to stop the whingy replies with the blocky button.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To party"

You've got to fight for that right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When does a right become an entitlement?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"So many people use it ......

We have a right...it's a human right.... they have a right .... etc etc

What EXACTLY do people have a RIGHT to?

freedom, equality, respect, happiness and the right to live without fear.

Their right to liberty does - if caught. Do you think they should lose EVERY human right ?"

I don't because I suppose the most basic human right is the right to life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could happiness not be seen as a choice ?

In many circumstances it could but a person suffering from clinical depression or a child living with abusive parents don't have that choice."

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"When does a right become an entitlement? "

Are you trying to say that i've got to work for my own lambygeeny even though I have a right to own one ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i have the right to covet thy neighbours wife

just dont tell him that

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"i have the right to covet thy neighbours wife

just dont tell him that

Somehow you've misread the Shalt not bit of things .....

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"i have the right to covet thy neighbours wife

just dont tell him that

Go for his ass instead

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Could happiness not be seen as a choice ?

In many circumstances it could but a person suffering from clinical depression or a child living with abusive parents don't have that choice."
Good point : You are absolutely right - I was thinking of so-called "normal" circumstances where mental health is assumed and where there are no circumstances serisouly impeding the choice/chance of happiness. In the case of children(or other vulnerable people) living with abusive parents (or carers etc) there is an imbalance of power to be considered as well

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By *nigmatic1Woman
over a year ago

A seaside town near you!

"I have a right not to reply to idiotic messages without getting grief about it grrrrr!!!

Does the messenger have the right to a reply ?

Depends how moronic the message is ...wouldn't you agree?

Nah. I don't believe they have a right to a reply but you hold the power to stop the whingy replies with the blocky button."

You're absolutely right there! `Scuse the pun on words' hehe xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"alot of people on here should exercise they're right to remain silent lol

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I agree ! Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So many people use it ......

We have a right...it's a human right.... they have a right .... etc etc

What EXACTLY do people have a RIGHT to?

freedom, equality, respect, happiness and the right to live without fear.

Their right to liberty does - if caught. Do you think they should lose EVERY human right ?"

Look at it from societies point of view. There are many decent people in this country, most to which are workers and they struggle to put a roof over their head, have food at all, never mind what a body should have and can cope with paying their gas/electric bills and some people are cut off because they chose to buy food instead of paying a high gas bill. Not only that, but most of those cases are stressful because the workers have got kids to support as well and with stress comes illnesses and unhappiness. This isn't through choice.

People convicted of those crimes, whilst in prison they get contact with the outside world as they are allowed newspapers/magazines, also allowed to have people visit them as well as talk to them on the phone. They get their recommended food intake and heating/electric is always provided. When they finally come out of prison. They move away with new identities and get a new life. Its like they get a reward for what they have done

A human right is a right for humans - what normal human can commit any of those offences

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i have the right to covet thy neighbours wife

just dont tell him that

Yeah but he might think he has the right to constrict your windpipe lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i have the right to an attorney!

anyone used that one yet?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Only the one right then? Do we get to choose which one? I'd like the right to eat chocolate for breakfast.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Could happiness not be seen as a choice ?

In many circumstances it could but a person suffering from clinical depression or a child living with abusive parents don't have that choice.Good point : You are absolutely right - I was thinking of so-called "normal" circumstances where mental health is assumed and where there are no circumstances serisouly impeding the choice/chance of happiness. In the case of children(or other vulnerable people) living with abusive parents (or carers etc) there is an imbalance of power to be considered as well

In that case I agree, I see many people who choose not to be happy .....it really gets on my wick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only the one right then? Do we get to choose which one? I'd like the right to eat chocolate for breakfast."

Or in my case, PASTA

I am so jealous of footballers. They get to eat that at 9am

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The right to exist - anything else is a bonus.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Bugger ! Someone is calling for coffee. I never exercised my right to say Piss Off Big Brother is on in a mo ....

Now I have to go and WHINGE at the same time !

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By *ingjayMan
over a year ago

exeter

I wanna go back to basics and have the right to live on this earth as an equal to anyone else with put being dictated by society, the government, corporations, and other stupid idealisms, a lawless free society is far more free than the world we live in now, go where you want live where you want, take what you want, democracy is a false prophecy and belief we are stil dictated to, we have no rights whatsoever,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have a right to life and no-one shall be deprived of that save in the execution of a sentence governed by law.

Everything else in life is about choices and consequences and how you use them. Make them happy ones.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

You have a right to:

*life

*freedom from slavery

*a fair trial

*free speech

*thought and religion

*freedom of movement (although this may be curtailed by imprisonment or the requirement to a passport etc.)

Then there are lot of local additions to this:

*to vote

*be treated fairly and lawfully regardless of your race, gender, age, religion, sexual orientation or any disability;

*practise your own religion, and you are expected to show respect for people of other faiths;

*have access to support and accommodation (if you meet the requirements)

*have access to free at the point of delivery health care from the National Health Service;

*have legal representation

And specific subjects then have rights qualified by that subject such as workers, children, being a suspect or a prisoner.

All rights can be lost or given up when we become complacent and take them for granted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You have a right to:

*life

*freedom from slavery

*a fair trial

*free speech

*thought and religion

*freedom of movement (although this may be curtailed by imprisonment or the requirement to a passport etc.)

Then there are lot of local additions to this:

*to vote

*be treated fairly and lawfully regardless of your race, gender, age, religion, sexual orientation or any disability;

*practise your own religion, and you are expected to show respect for people of other faiths;

*have access to support and accommodation (if you meet the requirements)

*have access to free at the point of delivery health care from the National Health Service;

*have legal representation

And specific subjects then have rights qualified by that subject such as workers, children, being a suspect or a prisoner.

All rights can be lost or given up when we become complacent and take them for granted.

you were far more precise in your answer, I couldnt muster the enthusiasm to type echr out

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

All rights can be lost or given up when we become complacent and take them for granted.

you were far more precise in your answer, I couldnt muster the enthusiasm to type echr out "

I stopped myself from writing all of the individual rights, the history of rights and the context we are in following the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and all of its 30 Articles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All rights can be lost or given up when we become complacent and take them for granted.

you were far more precise in your answer, I couldnt muster the enthusiasm to type echr out

I stopped myself from writing all of the individual rights, the history of rights and the context we are in following the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and all of its 30 Articles.

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impressive nonetheless

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

All rights can be lost or given up when we become complacent and take them for granted.

you were far more precise in your answer, I couldnt muster the enthusiasm to type echr out

I stopped myself from writing all of the individual rights, the history of rights and the context we are in following the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and all of its 30 Articles.

impressive nonetheless"

No, I lifted most of it from my PowerPoint for a training course on Human Rights and Equalities that I run.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a right to call someone a completely repugnant arsehole....except on here, even if they quite obviously are...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All rights can be lost or given up when we become complacent and take them for granted.

you were far more precise in your answer, I couldnt muster the enthusiasm to type echr out

I stopped myself from writing all of the individual rights, the history of rights and the context we are in following the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and all of its 30 Articles.

impressive nonetheless

No, I lifted most of it from my PowerPoint for a training course on Human Rights and Equalities that I run.

Oh take the compliment, you're the exact opposite side of the country, I'm not trying to smooth talk you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a right to call someone a completely repugnant arsehole....except on here, even if they quite obviously are..."

once a p#ra always a p#ra hey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When does a right become an entitlement?

Are you trying to say that i've got to work for my own lambygeeny even though I have a right to own one ?"

Yup, and you have to start by learning how to spell it. I want a Lamborghini Gallardo AND I want the speed bumps removed so I can drive it to the end of rhe road

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Truth

Would be nice

Perhaps a Utopia

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

No, I lifted most of it from my PowerPoint for a training course on Human Rights and Equalities that I run.

Prompts me to ask - is equality a human right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a right to call someone a completely repugnant arsehole....except on here, even if they quite obviously are...

once a p#ra always a p#ra hey

Apparently I'm a victim of propaganda!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The right to exist - anything else is a bonus."

That right is pretty fragile, you only have it on lease and the length and terms are unknown

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

No, I lifted most of it from my PowerPoint for a training course on Human Rights and Equalities that I run.

Prompts me to ask - is equality a human right?"

Yes and no. It's not a universal right as women and children aren't always included in all rights. It is a right locally but even then it might have caveats. So, in the UK we use the terms treated equally lawfully. Even then we have to fight for those (Birmingham Council finally having to pay out for underpaying women, for instance. They spent so long arguing the work was not of equal value and therefore women could be paid less). Or, the fact that after adopting the UDHR in 1948 women weren't entitled to equal pay or to challenge their employer when sacked because they got married.

America doesn't recognise the rights of the children but we do have rights for children.

I don't treat equality and human rights are interchangeable.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"When does a right become an entitlement?

Are you trying to say that i've got to work for my own lambygeeny even though I have a right to own one ?

Yup, and you have to start by learning how to spell it. I want a Lamborghini Gallardo AND I want the speed bumps removed so I can drive it to the end of rhe road

Ah ..... you are wrong there. I don't suppose Jules Verne could spell circumnavigation but he and Richard Branson are doing okay x

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"When does a right become an entitlement?

Are you trying to say that i've got to work for my own lambygeeny even though I have a right to own one ?

Yup, and you have to start by learning how to spell it. I want a Lamborghini Gallardo AND I want the speed bumps removed so I can drive it to the end of rhe road

Ah ..... you are wrong there. I don't suppose Jules Verne could spell circumnavigation but he and Richard Branson are doing okay x"

You used cum with Jules Verne and Richard Branson

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By *ingjayMan
over a year ago

exeter

"You have a right to:

*life

*freedom from slavery

*a fair trial

*free speech

*thought and religion

*freedom of movement (although this may be curtailed by imprisonment or the requirement to a passport etc.)

Then there are lot of local additions to this:

*to vote

*be treated fairly and lawfully regardless of your race, gender, age, religion, sexual orientation or any disability;

*practise your own religion, and you are expected to show respect for people of other faiths;

*have access to support and accommodation (if you meet the requirements)

*have access to free at the point of delivery health care from the National Health Service;

*have legal representation

And specific subjects then have rights qualified by that subject such as workers, children, being a suspect or a prisoner.

All rights can be lost or given up when we become complacent and take them for granted.

This makes ask the question of the op again, who is he talking about, us as humans, us as Britons, or us as Europeans, cause more than half of those rights are bot given freely to more than half the world, and none I can see are actual rights, we are animals we have no more rights to live on this earth than a cockroach or a rat yet we take what we can and do what we do , we kill animals all the time to eat ect, is that our right??? What gives us precedence over any other living creature on this earth??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been searching for the thread on here where someone was arguing that to own a television is a basic human right. Alas I can't find it, but I got a cold bottom for politely telling them that that might not be entirely true.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"You have a right to:

*life

*freedom from slavery

*a fair trial

*free speech

*thought and religion

*freedom of movement (although this may be curtailed by imprisonment or the requirement to a passport etc.)

Then there are lot of local additions to this:

*to vote

*be treated fairly and lawfully regardless of your race, gender, age, religion, sexual orientation or any disability;

*practise your own religion, and you are expected to show respect for people of other faiths;

*have access to support and accommodation (if you meet the requirements)

*have access to free at the point of delivery health care from the National Health Service;

*have legal representation

And specific subjects then have rights qualified by that subject such as workers, children, being a suspect or a prisoner.

All rights can be lost or given up when we become complacent and take them for granted.

Is the O.P. a bloke ? Christ he's ugly. Anway ....

The 'rights' that Lickety listed are 'human rights'. Granted they are made by people for people.

I have as much right as say ... a lion or a croc to be part of the food chain and eat my kill. As you said we are no more than animals.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I've been searching for the thread on here where someone was arguing that to own a television is a basic human right. Alas I can't find it, but I got a cold bottom for politely telling them that that might not be entirely true. "

Always makes me chuckle. 'I have a right to a telly'. 'It's a basic human need to go for a pint'. 'I have a right to sex'. 'I have a right to a holiday'.

All of them pleasurable but not one of them a right.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

All of us who are here legally have the right to protection under the Queens Peace and of Freedom of Movement under the law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People here illegally are also afforded the protection of law too.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The confusion between rights and desires, need and want and consultation and negotiation sometimes surprises me.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

" People here illegally are also afforded the protection of law too."

Not quite true, they do not have that protection as a right and that is why they can be detained without trial and without having committed any offences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" People here illegally are also afforded the protection of law too.

Not quite true, they do not have that protection as a right and that is why they can be detained without trial and without having committed any offences."

Au contraire, I must point out that they are afforded the same protection under the laws of the United kingdom as others if they become victims ? Or were you inferring something different ?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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" People here illegally are also afforded the protection of law too.

Not quite true, they do not have that protection as a right and that is why they can be detained without trial and without having committed any offences.

Au contraire, I must point out that they are afforded the same protection under the laws of the United kingdom as others if they become victims ? Or were you inferring something different ?"

Sorry I may not have myself clear. I as a Subject of the Crown have a right to the protection of the Crown. Any person who is not a Subject of The Crown who enters this country legally has this right extended to them by the Crown (the stamping of a passport gives that protection and sets limits on the protection). That the protection of law is extended to those illegally here is not a matter of right, it is a privilege that can be withdrawn at any time without notice. I hope that clarifies what I originally and subsequently said?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

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" People here illegally are also afforded the protection of law too.

Not quite true, they do not have that protection as a right and that is why they can be detained without trial and without having committed any offences.

Au contraire, I must point out that they are afforded the same protection under the laws of the United kingdom as others if they become victims ? Or were you inferring something different ?

However, the administration of the law and its protections are afforded to those here illegally as well as those with their passport stamped.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The posts on happiness being a right made me think about the fact that the American constitution does not offer happiness only the right to pursue happiness.

On the point of rights and equalities: the rights were agreed as a broad settlement that all parties upon which parties could reach agreement. The fight for equalities has been advanced because the rights were agreed.

Long walks gets the grey matter moving.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

" People here illegally are also afforded the protection of law too.

Not quite true, they do not have that protection as a right and that is why they can be detained without trial and without having committed any offences."

If they are here illegally, then they have committed an offence....

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over a year ago

" We have a right to life and no-one shall be deprived of that save in the execution of a sentence governed by law.

Almost correct. The right to life is conditional (not absolute) and can be legally taken from you without any sentence passed by law.

Your life can be ended legally by ANYONE if it was a NECESSARY and PROPORTIONATE act carried out AT THE TIME of preventing you from killing another person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" People here illegally are also afforded the protection of law too.

Not quite true, they do not have that protection as a right and that is why they can be detained without trial and without having committed any offences.

If they are here illegally, then they have committed an offence...."
yes they have under immigration laws, but its a basic right that people in the United kingdom are protected by our laws. Even those who do wrong are protected by law. Its a right ! And so it should be.

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over a year ago

" We have a right to life and no-one shall be deprived of that save in the execution of a sentence governed by law.

Almost correct. The right to life is conditional (not absolute) and can be legally taken from you without any sentence passed by law.

Your life can be ended legally by ANYONE if it was a NECESSARY and PROPORTIONATE act carried out AT THE TIME of preventing you from killing another person."
you refer to section 3 criminal law act 67... It involves far more complexitities than that.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

" People here illegally are also afforded the protection of law too.

Not quite true, they do not have that protection as a right and that is why they can be detained without trial and without having committed any offences.

If they are here illegally, then they have committed an offence...."

And to clarify - asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants and are protected internationally by law. It is not illegal to claim refugee status. Lots of people confuse the two.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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" People here illegally are also afforded the protection of law too.

Not quite true, they do not have that protection as a right and that is why they can be detained without trial and without having committed any offences.

If they are here illegally, then they have committed an offence....

And to clarify - asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants and are protected internationally by law. It is not illegal to claim refugee status. Lots of people confuse the two."

I was under the impression we were discussing who has rights in law and what they are as apposed to who is granted privileges in law and what they are.

But maybe I got that wrong...

Anyway dont political refugees have to REQUEST asylum, and are they not GRANTED PERMISSION to stay. Not quite the same as exercising a right.

Now I know I am splitting hairs but they are very important hairs and I for 1 think its important to understand the difference between our rights and privileges granted to us.

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over a year ago

The law is not a privilege for anyone, it is the law of the land and applies to all and sundry, good,evil, fallen and the misguided.

So without getting into semantics, everyone can safely assume they have a right to be protected by law.

Even someone is in the country without the correct permission, they are still protected by law.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

" People here illegally are also afforded the protection of law too.

Not quite true, they do not have that protection as a right and that is why they can be detained without trial and without having committed any offences.

If they are here illegally, then they have committed an offence....

And to clarify - asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants and are protected internationally by law. It is not illegal to claim refugee status. Lots of people confuse the two.

I was under the impression we were discussing who has rights in law and what they are as apposed to who is granted privileges in law and what they are.

But maybe I got that wrong...

Anyway dont political refugees have to REQUEST asylum, and are they not GRANTED PERMISSION to stay. Not quite the same as exercising a right.

Now I know I am splitting hairs but they are very important hairs and I for 1 think its important to understand the difference between our rights and privileges granted to us. "

I did say they had to 'claim refugee status' which is the same thing. They are not here illegally until such time as that request or claim is determined to be unfounded. Therefore, asylum seekers (those seeking but not yet granted or denied asylum) are not here illegally.

I only mentioned it as I've had discussions with people before who lump asylum seekers in with illegal immigrants - and illegal immigrants have been mentioned.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

In Britain the first list of rights was of course the Magna Carta and law has reflected them since.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Ther should not be a single asylum seeker in the UK. The rules state that an asylum seeker should seek asylum in the first safe country they can travel to. This would normally be the neighbouring country to theirs...

So any asylum seekers here are only here for the money...

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Ther should not be a single asylum seeker in the UK. The rules state that an asylum seeker should seek asylum in the first safe country they can travel to. This would normally be the neighbouring country to theirs...

So any asylum seekers here are only here for the money..."

Neighbouring countries aren't always the first safe place and aeroplanes have this funny habit of travelling all over the place.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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"I did say they had to 'claim refugee status' which is the same thing. They are not here illegally until such time as that request or claim is determined to be unfounded. Therefore, asylum seekers (those seeking but not yet granted or denied asylum) are not here illegally.

I only mentioned it as I've had discussions with people before who lump asylum seekers in with illegal immigrants - and illegal immigrants have been mentioned."

And I made a point of saying "request" in capitals. I know it is semantics in most cases but there is a big difference between claiming something and requesting something. Its the subtleties of the meaning of words that make all the difference.

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over a year ago

I only mentioned it as I've had discussions with people before who lump asylum seekers in with illegal immigrants - and illegal immigrants have been mentioned.

Very true, like saying "request" is in capitals, when in fact its in speech marks or more commonly incorrectly referred to as inverted commas.

Brought to you by the irony & spelling Police.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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I only mentioned it as I've had discussions with people before who lump asylum seekers in with illegal immigrants - and illegal immigrants have been mentioned.

Very true, like saying "request" is in capitals, when in fact its in speech marks or more commonly incorrectly referred to as inverted commas.

Brought to you by the irony & spelling Police."

Of course you are correct, I used " when I should have used ' for that I humbly crave your forgiveness.

Did actually agree with my point, if not my use of punctuation marks?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I only mentioned it as I've had discussions with people before who lump asylum seekers in with illegal immigrants - and illegal immigrants have been mentioned.

I think you mean pedantic rather than semantics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Freedom of speech.

Respect has to be earned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So many people use it ......

We have a right...it's a human right.... they have a right .... etc etc

What EXACTLY do people have a RIGHT to?"
..Fuck all by the state of our country

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

So any asylum seekers here are only here for the money...

Neighbouring countries aren't always the first safe place and aeroplanes have this funny habit of travelling all over the place.

It doesn't have to be a neighbouring country but the first safe country. Also you know where a plane is going to land when you get on it.. Finally how many asylam seekers fly to the UK. I doubt that many fly, evenless fly from their country directly to the UK without stopping off at an other country on the way here...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" We have a right to life and no-one shall be deprived of that save in the execution of a sentence governed by law.

Almost correct. The right to life is conditional (not absolute) and can be legally taken from you without any sentence passed by law.

Your life can be ended legally by ANYONE if it was a NECESSARY and PROPORTIONATE act carried out AT THE TIME of preventing you from killing another person. you refer to section 3 criminal law act 67... It involves far more complexitities than that. "

Even under Human Rights Law the right to life is conditional as it acknowledges circumstances where it can and should be taken away. Unlike freedom from slavery which is absolute as there are no circumstances where it is necessary.

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