FabSwingers.com forum: How far have we evolved?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In terms of prejudice _iews ?

I was brought up with both parents being fairly racist and father being pretty homophobic - but only towards men.

I'm neither racist or homophobic and hopefully my child is being brought up in a world where she feels able to mix with anyone she chooses.

How about you ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think society has progressed massively over the last 50 years, probably with the advent of much more travelling and immigration and free movement.

Children are taught far more about respect and cross cultural education in schools.

People are also far more aware of what's socially acceptable with regards to voicing your opinion.

There are however as always, those simmering beneath the surface, hiding their prejudice.

Ultimately we all have some form of prejudice, its if we act on it and discriminate that's the problem.

After all if one oppressed groups plight is to oppress the aggressor, then what have we achieved? We have to manage differences not pretend they don't exist? I believe modern society is moving forward.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"In terms of prejudice _iews ?

I was brought up with both parents being fairly racist and father being pretty homophobic - but only towards men.

I'm neither racist or homophobic and hopefully my child is being brought up in a world where she feels able to mix with anyone she chooses.

How about you ?"

Pretty much the same.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I'm pretty intolerant to people who are intolerant, so where does this leave me?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I'm pretty intolerant to people who are intolerant, so where does this leave me?

It leaves you Self Intolerant Tina xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just dislike everyone equally

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"I'm pretty intolerant to people who are intolerant, so where does this leave me?

It leaves you Self Intolerant Tina xx"

Is that like lactose intolerant, but I have to avoid myself?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm pretty intolerant to people who are intolerant, so where does this leave me?

It leaves you Self Intolerant Tina xx

Is that like lactose intolerant, but I have to avoid myself?

Now, now. Don't milk it

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I don't think we evolve out of prejudices.

Dislikes and objections are generally learned.

We can unlearn and become hostile again and generally do.

Most thinking in society has it's roots in economies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm pretty intolerant to people who are intolerant, so where does this leave me?

It leaves you Self Intolerant Tina xx

Is that like lactose intolerant, but I have to avoid myself?

Now, now. Don't milk it

Innit! Making it all cheesy

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I'm pretty intolerant to people who are intolerant, so where does this leave me?

It leaves you Self Intolerant Tina xx

Is that like lactose intolerant, but I have to avoid myself?

I think you'll be safe if you get someone else to suck them for you.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Its strange, my father was a bigot, I remember having my own mind from the age of around seven, I can remember the incident clearly. I have never had any judgements regarding someone's race, colour, sexual orientation. I just can't get it into my head why someone would be prejudiced. Its something I've never understood although slightly more understandable from a generation where it could of been seen as fearful.

My son doesn't have a prejudiced bone in his body. His current girlfriend is a 37 year old philoppeno

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I can remember being chastised at about 14 years of age for walking down the road with another white girl and a black lad a year older than me.

Apparently "it didn't look good"

I remember it clearly because what they actually missed, was the fact I was holding hands with that handsome young black guy. A little smirk inside - oh yes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've evolved to a point where most recognise it's wrong. But a great many are confused and many over compensate. I still hear a lot of racist and homophobic abuse, but much of that is meant as simple abuse whereas when my parents said similar things they actually believed it.

Much of the debate about it is still considered from the majority perspective though, as though there are not prejudices within minority communities too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just dislike everyone equally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we've moved forward with race. Certainly the way that both the BNP and EDL have been crushed to the point that they are just a laughing stock and not taken seriously is an encouraging sign. But you only need to look on some of the threads on here to see that racism is live and well with just the same levels of ignorant vitriol as there was in the 1970's and the battle is far from being won.

Homophobia is similarly moving forward, but things such as gay having become acceptable terminology to insult someone shows that we still have a long way to go.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

It's shifted from colour of skin..to now what religion you are...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"It's shifted from colour of skin..to now what religion you are..."

I'm a Jedi

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"It's shifted from colour of skin..to now what religion you are...

I'm a Jedi"

Good for you

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I have always been very chilled towards difference.

Just a big old melting pot.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

My parents were people of their time, but the ability to develop prejudice thoughts was no more present in them than any person born of this time..... society just changes the focal points.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My parents were people of their time, but the ability to develop prejudice thoughts was no more present in them than any person born of this time..... society just changes the focal points."

Very good point

Today its those pesky Romanians taking all our jobs.....that apparently all the polish had already taken as someone said the other day?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My parents were people of their time, but the ability to develop prejudice thoughts was no more present in them than any person born of this time..... society just changes the focal points."

What causes society to do that? People and their attitudes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My parents were people of their time, but the ability to develop prejudice thoughts was no more present in them than any person born of this time..... society just changes the focal points.

What causes society to do that? People and their attitudes?"

I hate to say it but the media has a lot to answer for at times.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"In terms of prejudice _iews ?

I was brought up with both parents being fairly racist and father being pretty homophobic - but only towards men.

I'm neither racist or homophobic and hopefully my child is being brought up in a world where she feels able to mix with anyone she chooses.

How about you ?"

My parents were more prejudiced against Africans than white people, although we were raised to trust neither. My dad drummed into us NEVER turn your back on an African and NEVER trust a white person.

My sisters and I all had Africans as our first boyfriends to piss our parents off.

My husband and I raised our children to see the person not the race. Oh it's been hard at times but you have to break the cycle. My daughter thought I was being racist because I asked what colour her first boyfriend was. I thought I was being funny as he was covered in tattoos!

Every Saturday my husband had his workmates round, it was like the United Nations!

As it is my eldest is married to a white man and lives in Berkshire, my middle daughters boyfriend is St Lucian and my youngest dating a West Indian Indian: my boyfriend is white, Dutch.

As a heterosexual don't fully get the same sex attraction but never seen it as an issue, although I'll admit to keeping my liberal _iews very much to myself when in a group of black people discussing the issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the media not people too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My parents were people of their time, but the ability to develop prejudice thoughts was no more present in them than any person born of this time..... society just changes the focal points.

What causes society to do that? People and their attitudes?

I hate to say it but the media has a lot to answer for at times. "

In the 1930's The Daily Mail was firmly allied to Oswald Moseley's fascist ideals and 80 years on all that has changed is who they target.

But let's not forget that the far right always get stronger in a recession (as is being witnessed across Europe) and people always look for someone to blame and the media is in cahoots with the government to ensure the working classea blame each other rather than question to hard why the economy vis fucked.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"My parents were people of their time, but the ability to develop prejudice thoughts was no more present in them than any person born of this time..... society just changes the focal points.

What causes society to do that? People and their attitudes?

I hate to say it but the media has a lot to answer for at times.

In the 1930's The Daily Mail was firmly allied to Oswald Moseley's fascist ideals and 80 years on all that has changed is who they target.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My parents were people of their time, but the ability to develop prejudice thoughts was no more present in them than any person born of this time..... society just changes the focal points.

What causes society to do that? People and their attitudes?"
i think its the need for a scape goat,

plus human beings are creatures of habit, a drip fed change no one notices or cares, but drastic change seems to unsettle, ie influx of particular peoples, in england its been black, indian and and irish (50-70s) recent times the easties of europe

my family were apparently evicted from our house because they were irish, it was the middle of the troubles at the time but i was still suprised

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In terms of prejudice _iews ?

I was brought up with both parents being fairly racist and father being pretty homophobic - but only towards men.

I'm neither racist or homophobic and hopefully my child is being brought up in a world where she feels able to mix with anyone she chooses.

How about you ?"

I was brought up in a very racist family even my polish grandparents vote BNP and don't get that they too would be excluded!! My parents seem to think you are only racist if you run around with a white hood on your head and are hurt when I say the are racist. I have told them that they are not to call Asians paki's around my children and can't understand why they have to even mention someone's colour or origins when telling me something that has happened. They do respect my wishes as for homophobia my mum thinks she is rather with it as she has a couple of gay customers my dad would still stand with his back to the wall if a gay man walked into the room!!

Myself, my sister turned out ok we are not part of the kkk and my children are well balanced, open minded my son has friends of all walks of life and I have both gay and lesbian friends they are around on a regular basis.

I do think it's a generation thing!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is the media not people too?"

They are, but lets face it, some, I repeat some,of the papers write for effect, knowing full well it provokes response. The media used to report news, and now its more of an opinion column?

As crystalwheels just highlighted in austere times its easy to stir up hysteria and create head lines.

Having read their profile they'd probably hate me for saying it, but I used to feel very much the conservative....mainly fueled by what the papers told me was occuring in the world.

Then life's experiences enrichen you hopefully and you form your opinions by listening to those with no agenda.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"...........

I do think it's a generation thing!!"

Sections of every generation need someone to feel superior to, someone they can blame for all the ills of society.

It probably dates back to the Roman invasion but I'm sure it happened to the Normans, the Huguenots, the Irish, West Indians post 1945, people from the Indian sub- continent, Polish folk and now Romanians etc too.

I'm bound to have missed some out.

Racism hasn't gone away and it won't go away.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

In answer to the question as to how far have we evolved...... skim over the forum and you'll find the answer.

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By *aulatv_ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Rhyl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"In answer to the question as to how far have we evolved...... skim over the forum and you'll find the answer."

yup, there are declaration of 'I would kill them', hatred of others, celebration of deaths, laughter at posts belittling certain celebrities's looks and mental wellbeings.....

there is not a day I don't celebrate 'how far I have come'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In fairness I do believe I could evolve a bit more. I have this hairy tuft at the base of my back and when I go cycling for the day and come home and look at my ass in the mirror, it looks like a chimps butt

Darwin was right !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Racism is probably worse now than it was in the 70's, Don't think many political parties had racist policies back then. Just the race has changed, currently it's Eastern Europeans but pretty much anyone without multiple generations history in the UK will do.

Thankfully most children don't have many ism's however some of the worst demonstrations of prejudice seem to be from the 20 some-things. So I have no hope that we will solve it in my lifetime.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The 20 somethings are the ones who look around and don't see a future for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The 20 somethings are the ones who look around and don't see a future for them."

Yes very true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The 20 somethings are the ones who look around and don't see a future for them."

Haven't we all done that Onny ? How many 20 year olds see beyond tomorrow ? Maybe the future isn't what previous generations experienced, its just different ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The 20 somethings are the ones who look around and don't see a future for them.

Haven't we all done that Onny ? How many 20 year olds see beyond tomorrow ? Maybe the future isn't what previous generations experienced, its just different ?"

Very different and in most cases, not for the better.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I think things have become more nuanced and subtle.

I don't get red paint thrown over me or called Paki or black bitch anymore but what I get now is that I am over-sensitive or creating a problem just for the sake of it.

I have had over 40 years of hearing some sort of racist vitriol and with "I don't mean you dear" tacked on somewhere. The Political Correctness thread was interesting to read on just how people dismiss the use of language and see it as pandering to the weak minded.

What I have noticed over the years is that things like the use of language with our young makes a difference. Living in a diverse area where many will have unusual names I don't know any young people under 14 who would tease/bully someone because of their name but ten years ago I heard that sort of "joking" in the same schools.

We've come a long way but are in danger of sliding back further than where we started from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We find that intolerance is always there its just the direction its aimed changes. We dont see much racism or homophobia but we do see large amounts of intolerance to the local Eastern European workforce and the local unemployed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We find that intolerance is always there its just the direction its aimed changes. We dont see much racism or homophobia but we do see large amounts of intolerance to the local Eastern European workforce and the local unemployed.

Where I live there is a lot polish that work the land, and a lot of the local yokals whining that the polish take all the jobs...... The locals would not give their dole, housing benefit etc etc to break their back picking veg and working the lad so find a lot of their whining boring!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Education, human rights legistlation, increased travel, political correctness, technological advances and better access to information have all played their part in the evolution.

Society has definitely progressed as the opening post demonstrates. The chain of passing down bigoted _iews from generation to generation is being broken. Yet professional footballers still don't feel able to come out about their own sexuality.

Prejudice thinking is a very long way from being eradicated, but things are improving......slowly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Yet professional footballers still don't feel able to come out about their sexuality "

We will only be truly enlightened when we don't care about any persons sex or sexuality. Yes there has been benefits from finding out that normal people happen to be gay, but true enlightenment is when we don't care what colour, sexuality, gender a person is only that they are a person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Yet professional footballers still don't feel able to come out about their sexuality

very true. Maybe there should be less emphasis on declaring sexuality as though its some sort of confession?

I dont read these threads and immediately check the sexuality of the poster ? Its not important to me. Why do we we feel that we all have the right to know what others do/are in their personallives k?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I won't disrespect my parents by discussing their _iews in detail but they both have prejudices I do not support; one much more than the other.

I've had my own _iews and opinions for as long as I can remember.

I have a couple of prejudices myself but I am aware of them and try to take people as I find them. In general I am very open minded and accepting of people, with the exception of the intolerant, bigoted or stupid.

I'm very, very glad I don't share the _iews of my parents on a number of matters.

The one that surprised me recently was a strong reaction from both parents, quite suddenly and with no obvious trigger I could see, about how wrong it is for same sex couples to raise children. I don't know where the discussion came from but the strength of feeling took me aback. I said I disagreed and that if a same sex couple could offer a child a stable, loving home then that was better than a lot of male-female couples could do. Neither parent accepted my point and argued strongly that I am wrong. I wouldn't argue the point, just stated my _iew and didn't respond further.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I tend not to even notice people's sexuality. I don't have a "gaydar". I just see people.

I was taken to a gay pub when I was in my mid-twenties and despite the 6ft TV doing karaoke, I didn't even notice until the guy I was with asked what I thought about the place and was I totally straight.

If someone is particularly camp or effeminate, I'll notice but I don't think I've ever made an assumption based on it.

As for skin colour and religion, I didn't grow up in a mixed environment. Nearly everyone I knew was white. I can remember just 3 black children from my childhood and nobody Indian, Pakistani, Chinese etc. I've never thought of people with different coloured skin, (different to mine, I mean), as anything other than just people.

I've never been religious. I went to Sunday School for a while to learn about it and investigate the possibility but I was never even part way convinced. I don't know where I learned about other religions. It certainly wasn't Sunday School and I don't think it was at school. It's just the fanatics and extremists that use religion to condone persecution and violence that I have a problem with.

As I tell the door-to-door religion peddlars, I support their right to follow whatever religion (or not) they choose and I appreciate being left to do the same. I know where to find religion if I need it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" We will only be truly enlightened when we don't care about any persons sex or sexuality. Yes there has been benefits from finding out that normal people happen to be gay, but true enlightenment is when we don't care what colour, sexuality, gender a person is only that they are a person. "

Or.. when we do care, but accept them. I think better to enjoy differences than to ignore them. Although I doubt that will make us enlightened so much, maybe just a bit nicer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Yet professional footballers still don't feel able to come out about their sexuality

Add class to that list, or should I state the underclass?

There was much prejudice on the Benefit Street thread!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"maybe just a bit nicer."

Whilst I am generally unaffected in my judgement by any facet of a person, I do reserve the right NOT to like a person, I have found whilst some people are great, most are OK could take em or leave them, but some are just so bloody annoying and I choose to avoid them thanks!

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over a year ago

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By *exyfuntimes2Couple
over a year ago

Dublin/Carlow

Four week ago, my 38 year old Brother told my 74 year old Conservative Father that he was gay. My Father hugged him and simply told my Brother that he loved him. That spoke volumes to me

Oh and I discovered that my Dad is indeed an awesome man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"maybe just a bit nicer.

Good for you. Although I have no idea what that has to do with my quote?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was always taught two wrongs dont make a right. So why do we hate homophobia and racism. Dosen this just add fuel to the fire. It would probably be best just to ignore comments like these and rise above it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was always taught two wrongs dont make a right. So why do we hate homophobia and racism. Dosen this just add fuel to the fire. It would probably be best just to ignore comments like these and rise above it "

How do you change prejudice without challenging it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"maybe just a bit nicer.

Good for you. Although I have no idea what that has to do with my quote?"

Just picking up on the last part about being nicer, and adding a caveat that whilst accepting a persons right to be whatever they want, and seeing them as a person, doesn't necessarily mean I will always be nice to people.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"maybe just a bit nicer.

Good for you. Although I have no idea what that has to do with my quote?

Not being outright nasty is being nicer in a lot of cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't hate them, homophobics and racists are people too... they are wrong! but still people.

if they wish to exist in my sphere then they will have to change, life is way to short for hate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"maybe just a bit nicer.

Good for you. Although I have no idea what that has to do with my quote?

Oh I don't mean everyone has to be 'nice' - I'd fail miserably!

I meant if we tended to enjoy differences rather than ignore them, or expect people to conform, we'd maybe all find it to be a nicer place.

Prejudices are there to help us. I don't trust anybody that claims to be non-judgemental. That's only a step away from 'some of my best friends'.

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By *exyfuntimes2Couple
over a year ago

Dublin/Carlow

Our favourite quote :-

“No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.”

? Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Our favourite quote :-

But I heard Mandela hated marmite.

? Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom "

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

we have as others have said come a long way but still a bigger journey is there for the next few generations..

interesting that the thread has been avoided by some of the usual posters whenever diversity, race etc are raised on the forums..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" In fairness I do believe I could evolve a bit more. I have this hairy tuft at the base of my back and when I go cycling for the day and come home and look at my ass in the mirror, it looks like a chimps butt

Darwin was right ! "

There goes all the sexy images i once had.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

interesting that the thread has been avoided by some of the usual posters whenever diversity, race etc are raised on the forums..

Same thought crossed my mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is where I am slightly confused.

If you're extremely old fashioned can that mean you have a closed mind?

If you don't mind other people doing their thing. Whether its regaurding there sexuality or beliefs, but you try to avoid it at all times as you disbelieve in it. Does that make you a homophobe or a bigot. Even though you aren't cruel to these people in any way?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

interesting that the thread has been avoided by some of the usual posters whenever diversity, race etc are raised on the forums..

Same thought crossed my mind

The people who have posted are the ones I respect for being authentic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

interesting that the thread has been avoided by some of the usual posters whenever diversity, race etc are raised on the forums..

Same thought crossed my mind

The people who have posted are the ones I respect for being authentic

Shame I can't have this as a signature underneath my name as I post. Just to prove what you said, lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is where I am slightly confused.

If you're extremely old fashioned can that mean you have a closed mind?

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Depending on where you live/ work etc. it can take a lifetime to meet a representative sample of every group. I am afraid I don't really know what old fashioned is, guess it depends on where you come from (parents grandparents etc.)

Fear can be a problem, people are by nature tribal and territorial. you only really get people passed prejudice if they meet one on one or in small groups, got to say I personally avoid football fans when they are in groups, one of my many failings I guess, but I do get on fine with them in small numbers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is where I am slightly confused.

If you're extremely old fashioned can that mean you have a closed mind?

Depending on where you live/ work etc. it can take a lifetime to meet a representative sample of every group. I am afraid I don't really know what old fashioned is, guess it depends on where you come from (parents grandparents etc.)

If you're extremely old fashioned. It would be treating a boy like a boy and a girl like a girl when they are growing up. Boy meets girl and sleeps with her and use that example with the girl too. Boy thinks after a while of seeing her "I really love her and I am going to ask her to marry me". Also before that happens. He takes her father out for a drink and asks his permission to marry his daughter. A girls father should be expected at some point to face this question. Even if it doesn't happen. The father will be aware its on its way once the girl reaches a certain age. Girls parents pay for wedding (think to kind of wrong, but its tradition). Couple go on honeymoon and announce at some stage the lady is pregnant. Now the old saying is "blue for a boy, pink for a girl" and as the children grow up they have certain toys depending on what sex they are. Then they expect that cycle of lofe to continue. That's how old fashioned people work.

Modern society will not believe in that as firstly those colours don't necessarily have anything to do with the sex of the child.

Some people don't believe in marriage.

Some people think that sleeping with someone without love is wrong.

Also the big one here is. These sort of people may not mind if the person they work with is gay or if their mate told them that they were, but they would still think its wrong.

Writing all that now makes me think I may have over exaggerated a bit

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over a year ago

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I often heard the odd thing with some elder people and had a fair few arguments. My parents though were tolerant, sometimes bemused as to the right approach politically. Like many of us, I think it has been us who have moved opinions of the others, who were influenced in less enlightened times. Mostly homophobia is on the way out, but it only takes one nutter to upset or kill others. The soho bomb was in 1999, which is not that long ago. One survivor was later killed by homophobic bullies.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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Its all cyclic, at the moment we are in a tolerant faze of the cycle here, other parts of the world are in other parts of the cycle and we can see where things are leading by looking around. When Islam takes over we will return to extreme intolerance.

Its been this way throughout recorded history and no doubt all history and I doubt it will change.

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"Four week ago, my 38 year old Brother told my 74 year old Conservative Father that he was gay. My Father hugged him and simply told my Brother that he loved him. That spoke volumes to me

Oh and I discovered that my Dad is indeed an awesome man

He sure is!

Like others have said I'm still surprised by the _iews that are just bubbling under the surface of some of my friends. I'm very broad minded as were my parents & I'm glad I was raised that way.

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"Four week ago, my 38 year old Brother told my 74 year old Conservative Father that he was gay. My Father hugged him and simply told my Brother that he loved him. That spoke volumes to me

Oh and I discovered that my Dad is indeed an awesome man

He sure is!

Like others have said I'm still surprised by the _iews that are just bubbling under the surface of some of my friends. I'm very broad minded as were my parents & I'm glad I was raised that way. "

There will always be _iews bubbling under the surface which cause the "open minded" to raise their eyebrows.

But lets juxtapose a little here ? Isnt it good to have all these differing opinions and tastes? Having no one to challenge and provoke thoughts, prevents progression ? After all those amongst the thread criticising previous generations are assuming their opinions are correct ? So have you reached a stage where you think others beliefs and tastes are wrong if incompatible with your modern outlook?

We will always have differing tastes and lifestyles, its learning to live with others differences that is as important as swaying another's beliefs and prejudices ? You can't change what you feel but you can change how you act.

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over a year ago

"When Islam takes over we will return to extreme intolerance.

So tell me how Islam is going to take over?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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"When Islam takes over we will return to extreme intolerance.

So tell me how Islam is going to take over?"

The same way it is taking over all over the world...

Its what the dominant proselytizing religion at any time does. Or hadn't you noticed?

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"When Islam takes over we will return to extreme intolerance.

So tell me how Islam is going to take over?

The same way it is taking over all over the world...

Its what the dominant proselytizing religion at any time does. Or hadn't you noticed?"

Define take over ? Its a popular religion, being practiced by many, and yes in parts of the world various warring factions use it as an excuse to justify their greedy practices, but take over the world ?

Its extreme comments like that, that cause the rifts in the first place ?

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over a year ago

"When Islam takes over we will return to extreme intolerance.

So tell me how Islam is going to take over?

The same way it is taking over all over the world...

Its what the dominant proselytizing religion at any time does. Or hadn't you noticed?"

Ah yes the socially acceptable intolerance, the media promotes it so it must be OK

It was only 60 or 70 years ago another western civilisation had a quite similar policy to another middle east origin minority religion, took a world war to stop it, I do hope we don't allow it to happen again.

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over a year ago

"When Islam takes over we will return to extreme intolerance.

So tell me how Islam is going to take over?

The same way it is taking over all over the world...

Its what the dominant proselytizing religion at any time does. Or hadn't you noticed?

Ah yes the socially acceptable intolerance, the media promotes it so it must be OK

Judaism is a minority religion?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

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Roll up! Roll up! Deck chairs for Hire! Reasonable terms, only an arm and a leg. Earl Grey tea provided. Roll up!

Make yourself comfy and watch this thread develop along radically different lines to how it started!!

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over a year ago

"When Islam takes over we will return to extreme intolerance.

So tell me how Islam is going to take over?

The same way it is taking over all over the world...

Its what the dominant proselytizing religion at any time does. Or hadn't you noticed?"

How is it taking over the world? Or is that your perception? Less than 20% of the worlds population are islamic and they are centred in a few countries

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Judaism is a minority religion?

Yes, count them!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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"When Islam takes over we will return to extreme intolerance.

So tell me how Islam is going to take over?

The same way it is taking over all over the world...

Its what the dominant proselytizing religion at any time does. Or hadn't you noticed?

Its extreme comments like that, that cause the rifts in the first place ?"
Take over... As in displace other religions. Before Islam there was Christianity. It gave us pogroms against Jews, The Inquisition and the attempted conversion of Africa and Asia to Christianity by well meaning missionaries followed by intolerant zealots and their armies who used force to subjugate people where persuasion failed.

Christianity is now in decline and Islam is taking its place and following exactly the same course. And just like Christianity before it the vast majority of its followers are normal people who do what is required for a quiet life. However the zealots rule and the more extreme the message the more of them will follow!

This is not prejudice on my part just a very sad acceptance of how things are and what the future holds. And just to be clear it is not comments like mine that cause rifts. Its the hacking of people apart for not praying and the killing of women for wanting to learn or to have freedom to choose their friends and partners that cause rifts. And the appeasement of extremists offered by those who are too civilized to acknowledge the truth that encourages zealots to further violence.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

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Roll up! New offer, with each deck chair and cup of Earl Grey comes a free 'I Spy book of religious history' so you can follow any of the finer points raised.

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over a year ago

"How is it taking over the world? Or is that your perception? Less than 20% of the worlds population are islamic and they are centred in a few countries"

And a much lower percentage in the UK plus 99.9% of that 20% are not fundamentalist, so the media has us all stirred up against a very few that are only loud because the media gives them amplification.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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"Roll up! Roll up! Deck chairs for Hire! Reasonable terms, only an arm and a leg. Earl Grey tea provided. Roll up!

Make yourself comfy and watch this thread develop along radically different lines to how it started!!

Thats it! You enjoy and poke fun, I believe that according to Islam you get burned to death for dressing as a woman (I get a choice between burning or beheading). Now how is that drifting away from the thread subject?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Judaism is a minority religion?

Yes, count them! "

Judaism is low on adherents compared to Christianity but it is still classified as a major religion.

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over a year ago

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Make yourself comfy and watch this thread develop along radically different lines to how it started!!

Ah, but by that time I shall have made enough from my deckchair hire business to have retired somewhere else

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over a year ago

"Judaism is a minority religion?

Yes, count them!

Judaism is low on adherents compared to Christianity but it is still classified as a major religion."

OK, misalignment of typed meanings

, my minority reference was in numerical not theological terms.

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over a year ago

"Ah, but by that time I shall have made enough from my deckchair hire business to have retired somewhere else

Have you expanded to the serviced lounger market? if so can I have a lounger with a _iew of the bar so staff can easily see when my G&T needs refreshing

The thread started out with hope for our part of civilisation, this new intolerant direction against a minority group, has reminded me that we just have to find a threat from somewhere, so I will relax and sip my G&T (actually make that Voddy I am intolerant of Gin)

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over a year ago

"Roll up! Roll up! Deck chairs for Hire! Reasonable terms, only an arm and a leg. Earl Grey tea provided. Roll up!

Make yourself comfy and watch this thread develop along radically different lines to how it started!!

I don't see many people getting burned in the UK, or Europe ? Not even sure it occurs in many other countries as a common act other than by barbaric act by criminals who uise religion as an excuse ? You raised some interesting points in your earlier response

But I don't think anyone's taking over the world anytime soon that really worries me, that's that different to who already runs it.

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over a year ago

Make yourself comfy and watch this thread develop along radically different lines to how it started!!

Ah, but by that time I shall have made enough from my deckchair hire business to have retired somewhere else

Deck chairs and insurance ?

I bet you've given all the jobs to Bulgarians and Romanians and robbed me of my right to a playboy lifestyle !

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over a year ago

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Ah, but by that time I shall have made enough from my deckchair hire business to have retired somewhere else

Deck chairs and insurance ?

I bet you've given all the jobs to Bulgarians and Romanians and robbed me of my right to a playboy lifestyle !"

Sshhh! Don't mention immigration, as that is another can of worms and I've only got so many deckchairs and loungers

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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"Roll up! Roll up! Deck chairs for Hire! Reasonable terms, only an arm and a leg. Earl Grey tea provided. Roll up!

Make yourself comfy and watch this thread develop along radically different lines to how it started!!

But I don't think anyone's taking over the world anytime soon that really worries me, that's that different to who already runs it. "
You may be right...May I have a pair of your rose tinted short sight glasses please so i can share your warm and fuzzy world too?

Now to try and answer you...

40 years ago you could happily travel from here to Australia overland (OK you had to pay sea fares) thumbing it all the way and the biggest risk was the water! Just to be clear I went overland to the Himalayas twice in the mid 70s overland. There was no Islamic fundamentalism... There was an Arab Israeli conflict but you could go round that. The Ayatollah Khomeini lived in exile here in London. Then things changed the Shar was overthrown and the Ayatollah took his place and Iran became an Islamic State with an Islamic expansionist anti Israeli agenda. Since then there has been a systematic expansion of Islamic fundamentalism and destabilization of states in the Middle East, Asia, North Africa and now Northern central Africa. In every case the systematic destruction of stability has started with small acts of extreme violence. So far we have had 2 successful attacks. 7/7 and the killing of Lea Rigby. We have also been told of a few disrupted attack. So the idea that its only a small problem in a few far off places is really very wrong.

I know my _iews are not popular, but really I suggest that we all need to take a lot more interest in world events and start joining the dots and working out what will happen to us when Islam (as practiced in Islamic states and espoused by the Taliban) arrives. Because every one of us is in line for a very violent death in the name of religion!

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"Roll up! Roll up! Deck chairs for Hire! Reasonable terms, only an arm and a leg. Earl Grey tea provided. Roll up!

Make yourself comfy and watch this thread develop along radically different lines to how it started!!

But I don't think anyone's taking over the world anytime soon that really worries me, that's that different to who already runs it. "

One reported a few days ago - a Muslim burned alive by a Christian in the Central African Republic - he then ate parts of his body.

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"Roll up! Roll up! Deck chairs for Hire! Reasonable terms, only an arm and a leg. Earl Grey tea provided. Roll up!

Make yourself comfy and watch this thread develop along radically different lines to how it started!!

But I don't think anyone's taking over the world anytime soon that really worries me, that's that different to who already runs it. You may be right...May I have a pair of your rose tinted short sight glasses please so i can share your warm and fuzzy world too?

Now to try and answer you...

And what's your suggestion for dealing with this?

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"Roll up! Roll up! Deck chairs for Hire! Reasonable terms, only an arm and a leg. Earl Grey tea provided. Roll up!

Make yourself comfy and watch this thread develop along radically different lines to how it started!!

Now to try and answer you...

And what's your suggestion for dealing with this?"

One thing I believe the poster has missed out,is the fact tthat a lot of the violence mentioned, and the radicalism, occurs generally in under developed countries, or countries with massive disparity.

I've been fortunate enough to see this through my rose tinted warm fuzzy glasses as he so eloquently put.

Whilst there are examples of minorities trying to bring the violence on a mass scale to morestable ccountries, they generally rely on radicalisation of vulnerable people open to influence. Hardly James bond evil villain stuff ?

These criminals would use all sorts of excuses to feed their violent propensity, not just use religion ?

Islam take over the world ? Maybe they will as a dominant religion. What will I do ? Carry on enjoying myself. Will they burn all the ts members on here ? Pah ok if they start that ill pick my carbine up and get involved as the likes of soxy, justjodie and Tina make me smile on these forums.

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over a year ago

Anyone else puzzled as to how the threat from Islamic nations has risen just as the threat from communist nations has fallen?

I enjoy the odd bit of paranoid conspiracy theory as much as most, and it does seem to me that the governments of the world need to have a threat from an outside agency to keep them in power. seems to have been going on since before the Persian empire ruled the known world.

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"Pah ok if they start that ill pick my carbine up and get involved as the likes of soxy, justjodie and Tina make me smile on these forums.

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Count me in, where do I sign up for the TVDV

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over a year ago

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I have a distant (very) relative who used to have a deckchair concession in the agora in Athens for when there were arguments about the Scythians coming over and taking all the jobs

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Exactly the same here

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Fastest growing beliefs of the past hundred years.. atheism & agnosticism. They may need a strategic alliance with the Jedis to gain real strength though.

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over a year ago

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"Pah ok if they start that ill pick my carbine up and get involved as the likes of soxy, justjodie and Tina make me smile on these forums.

Count me in, where do I sign up for the TVDV"

Well we are all in the entertainment business

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"I have a distant (very) relative who used to have a deckchair concession in the agora in Athens for when there were arguments about the Scythians coming over and taking all the jobs

Get back in the bunker, you're not safe out here !

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"I think things have become more nuanced and subtle.

I don't get red paint thrown over me or called Paki or black bitch anymore but what I get now is that I am over-sensitive or creating a problem just for the sake of it.

We've come a long way but are in danger of sliding back further than where we started from.

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"Four week ago, my 38 year old Brother told my 74 year old Conservative Father that he was gay. My Father hugged him and simply told my Brother that he loved him. That spoke volumes to me

Oh and I discovered that my Dad is indeed an awesome man

Awwwwww

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"we have as others have said come a long way but still a bigger journey is there for the next few generations..

interesting that the thread has been avoided by some of the usual posters whenever diversity, race etc are raised on the forums..

Who's that then?

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By *picyrodMan
over a year ago

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Not far at all

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By *issyfaggotfayeTV/TS
over a year ago

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i think we have one world, one planet, everyone has equal rights.......end of.

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over a year ago

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"Four week ago, my 38 year old Brother told my 74 year old Conservative Father that he was gay. My Father hugged him and simply told my Brother that he loved him. That spoke volumes to me

Oh and I discovered that my Dad is indeed an awesome man

Awwwwww "

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"In terms of prejudice _iews ?

I was brought up with both parents being fairly racist and father being pretty homophobic - but only towards men.

I'm neither racist or homophobic and hopefully my child is being brought up in a world where she feels able to mix with anyone she chooses.

How about you ?"

I like to think we have come along way. Raised by parents in the 70's along side the bigoted, prejudice _iews held by so many of their generation I embrace diversity in my own life. So proud of my teenage daughter when she challenged the homophobic _iews of a teacher at school. So much so that she said the teacher made her feel physically sick so she walked out of class. If bigotry is not challenged then no change will be made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think we have one world, one planet, everyone has equal rights.......end of."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Not far at all "

Care to explain

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"we have as others have said come a long way but still a bigger journey is there for the next few generations..

interesting that the thread has been avoided by some of the usual posters whenever diversity, race etc are raised on the forums..

Who's that then? "

There are countless, in the same way as there are plenty of openly left wing forumites.

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"we have as others have said come a long way but still a bigger journey is there for the next few generations..

interesting that the thread has been avoided by some of the usual posters whenever diversity, race etc are raised on the forums..

Who's that then?

There are countless, in the same way as there are plenty of openly left wing forumites.

Are there? I was beginning to think this site was a subsection of the Mail Online.

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