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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Barristers are saying that the change in legal aid procedure will seriously affect their income and insist that most working on legal aid cases earn an average of £36,000 and in some cases less than £20,000 per year.Pull the other one you fatcat greedy full of shite hypocrites xx Love to all & peace ;0))

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

For some that is very true. Others have a mixed practice and do work other than legally aided cases.

They are self-employed, get paid hugely in arrears and have spent seven years to qualify and then a further period of training. Plus the cost of their uniform is not cheap. Most start with a second-hand wig, robes and books.

The case work on a criminal brief is rarely paid for the real time it takes to prepare. A good barrister will do the prep and fully represent their client. When you work out the rate for the hours put in you might wonder why they would bother.

I hope you are never falsely accused of anything and in need of a barrister.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For some that is very true. Others have a mixed practice and do work other than legally aided cases.

They are self-employed, get paid hugely in arrears and have spent seven years to qualify and then a further period of training. Plus the cost of their uniform is not cheap. Most start with a second-hand wig, robes and books.

The case work on a criminal brief is rarely paid for the real time it takes to prepare. A good barrister will do the prep and fully represent their client. When you work out the rate for the hours put in you might wonder why they would bother.

I hope you are never falsely accused of anything and in need of a barrister.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For some that is very true. Others have a mixed practice and do work other than legally aided cases.

They are self-employed, get paid hugely in arrears and have spent seven years to qualify and then a further period of training. Plus the cost of their uniform is not cheap. Most start with a second-hand wig, robes and books.

The case work on a criminal brief is rarely paid for the real time it takes to prepare. A good barrister will do the prep and fully represent their client. When you work out the rate for the hours put in you might wonder why they would bother.

I hope you are never falsely accused of anything and in need of a barrister.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like most professions, there is a huge variance in income. Criminal legal aid is already poorly paid at its basic level. The same is true of solicitors. I met a relatively well-respected partner in a local firm who was drawing £6,000 per annum. Its popular to think of solicitors and barristers as fat cats but it is not always true.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I was talking to a QC last year and he mentioned the amount of hours spent preparing a criminal case, the amount of hours spent in court and his remuneration for it all. On that particular case he came out very, very badly.

Similarly, in November last year my work took me to Nottingham Crown Court where I met quite a few barristers and was lucky enough to actually dine with the judges and whilst the judges were on good money, the barristers weren't getting rich at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I qualified as a solicitor some years ago, I left the profession for a while and worked for the PO selling stamps etc. I earned more doing that than I ever earned practising law

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you amortise the earnings of a barrister over their careers taking into account their degree, their training and the legal aid work they have to do to become established I think you will find that they do a brilliant job for a lot less than you imagine. Yes, some do well as their careers progress but good luck to them I say.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

The change in Legal Aid will affect us all, not just barristers. It's a concern.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Sorry your all wrong don't be fooled & live in the real world ; Zlove & peace to all.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Sorry your all wrong don't be fooled & live in the real world ; Zlove & peace to all."

Nice to see you are open to reasoned argument.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Like most professions, there is a huge variance in income. Criminal legal aid is already poorly paid at its basic level. The same is true of solicitors. I met a relatively well-respected partner in a local firm who was drawing £6,000 per annum. Its popular to think of solicitors and barristers as fat cats but it is not always true."

Six Grand a year ? think about it, i have never heard of a brief living in social housing and claiming full benefits

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Like most professions, there is a huge variance in income. Criminal legal aid is already poorly paid at its basic level. The same is true of solicitors. I met a relatively well-respected partner in a local firm who was drawing £6,000 per annum. Its popular to think of solicitors and barristers as fat cats but it is not always true.

Six Grand a year ? think about it, i have never heard of a brief living in social housing and claiming full benefits "

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry your all wrong don't be fooled & live in the real world ; Zlove & peace to all."

Why is everyone else wrong but you?

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Barristers are saying that the change in legal aid procedure will seriously affect their income and insist that most working on legal aid cases earn an average of £36,000 and in some cases less than £20,000 per year.Pull the other one you fatcat greedy full of shite hypocrites xx Love to all & peace ;0))

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Is that love and peace to all except barristers?

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling


"Barristers are saying that the change in legal aid procedure will seriously affect their income and insist that most working on legal aid cases earn an average of £36,000 and in some cases less than £20,000 per year.Pull the other one you fatcat greedy full of shite hypocrites xx Love to all & peace ;0))

"

I think you need to do some research as you really are far of the mark.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags."

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling


"Sorry your all wrong don't be fooled & live in the real world ; Zlove & peace to all."

Love the arrogance, I am right you are all wrong. Love and peace to the small of mind?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Sorry your all wrong don't be fooled & live in the real world ; Zlove & peace to all."

I know a barrister personally, I worked with him for some time. He is practising full time and still earns less than when he worked with me and his salary wasn't great then.

I'm not naive enough to think that he represents the entire profession but neither am I so naive as to believe that you are entirely correct and I entirely incorrect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For some that is very true. Others have a mixed practice and do work other than legally aided cases.

They are self-employed, get paid hugely in arrears and have spent seven years to qualify and then a further period of training. Plus the cost of their uniform is not cheap. Most start with a second-hand wig, robes and books.

The case work on a criminal brief is rarely paid for the real time it takes to prepare. A good barrister will do the prep and fully represent their client. When you work out the rate for the hours put in you might wonder why they would bother.

I hope you are never falsely accused of anything and in need of a barrister.

"

Just because it took years to train doesn't mean the wages have to be enormous. Plenty other professions don't get paid that much with more years at university

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ? "

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession."

So because of something that happened in a family court you tar a whole profession with the same brush ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For some that is very true. Others have a mixed practice and do work other than legally aided cases.

They are self-employed, get paid hugely in arrears and have spent seven years to qualify and then a further period of training. Plus the cost of their uniform is not cheap. Most start with a second-hand wig, robes and books.

The case work on a criminal brief is rarely paid for the real time it takes to prepare. A good barrister will do the prep and fully represent their client. When you work out the rate for the hours put in you might wonder why they would bother.

I hope you are never falsely accused of anything and in need of a barrister.

"
glad to hear that someone knows what they are talking about. As you say, those that scream & shout, let's hope you never need a barrister. Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a load of bunkum, barristers earn good money, they have chosen the profession for many reasons,

They are paid more than the police, nurses, doctors in fact more than most jobs. The hidden income is extra, they are paid retaining fees, for companies and organisations and are on many boards of directors.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession."

That's funny, as I had a barrister represent me in a family court and she couldn't have been any more moral and representative of my needs.

And the whole thing was sorted in one visit to court, so she was hardly maximising her income.

Incidentally, the only reason I had a barrister represent me was because my solicitor suggested it. The court was in my ex-wife's hometown, about 100 miles away. I would have been paying for my solicitors time from the moment she left her office, so she passed the work onto a barrister in the area as it was cheaper for me. The barrister then preceded to wipe the floor with my ex-wife's muppet of a solicitor.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Barristers are saying that the change in legal aid procedure will seriously affect their income and insist that most working on legal aid cases earn an average of £36,000 and in some cases less than £20,000 per year.Pull the other one you fatcat greedy full of shite hypocrites xx Love to all & peace ;0))

"

My best friend is a barrister and she is certainly not on a high salary by any means.

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

I m not certain what others earn I can only comment on my wages, I think I m pretty well paid for making coffee,,

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling


"What a load of bunkum, barristers earn good money, they have chosen the profession for many reasons,

They are paid more than the police, nurses, doctors in fact more than most jobs. The hidden income is extra, they are paid retaining fees, for companies and organisations and are on many boards of directors."

Think you need to do more research. Generalisations do not make an argument.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

were in the process of buy our house we have a fixed price for the solicitors , but they sent us an additional letter stating if things get more involved there may be extra charges ,

my hourly rate is £140 an hour plus vat wtf

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession.

That's funny, as I had a barrister represent me in a family court and she couldn't have been any more moral and representative of my needs.

And the whole thing was sorted in one visit to court, so she was hardly maximising her income.

Incidentally, the only reason I had a barrister represent me was because my solicitor suggested it. The court was in my ex-wife's hometown, about 100 miles away. I would have been paying for my solicitors time from the moment she left her office, so she passed the work onto a barrister in the area as it was cheaper for me. The barrister then preceded to wipe the floor with my ex-wife's muppet of a solicitor."

Well done you got lucky. Most dads in family courts just get shafted.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"Barristers are saying that the change in legal aid procedure will seriously affect their income and insist that most working on legal aid cases earn an average of £36,000 and in some cases less than £20,000 per year.Pull the other one you fatcat greedy full of shite hypocrites xx Love to all & peace ;0))

"

I can't be arsed to answer on the actual subject, having seen your later response...... but I am keeping an eye out for you posting in the 'How far have we evolved' thread.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession.

That's funny, as I had a barrister represent me in a family court and she couldn't have been any more moral and representative of my needs.

And the whole thing was sorted in one visit to court, so she was hardly maximising her income.

Incidentally, the only reason I had a barrister represent me was because my solicitor suggested it. The court was in my ex-wife's hometown, about 100 miles away. I would have been paying for my solicitors time from the moment she left her office, so she passed the work onto a barrister in the area as it was cheaper for me. The barrister then preceded to wipe the floor with my ex-wife's muppet of a solicitor.

Well done you got lucky. Most dads in family courts just get shafted.

"
Can you prove that statistically?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"were in the process of buy our house we have a fixed price for the solicitors , but they sent us an additional letter stating if things get more involved there may be extra charges ,

my hourly rate is £140 an hour plus vat wtf"

You can do your own conveyancing but if you get it wrong, £140 an hour will seem like a bargain.

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough

This is the usual governmental softening up campaign to portray a group as earning enormous amounts of money. Remember the GPs earring £250,000 pa, most work part-time and are on less than £50,000.

The mean salary for criminal barristers in the year to April 2013 was £72,000, according to the Ministry of Justice. The median was £56,000. The use of 'average' is inappropriate.

The Criminal Bar Association, however, says these figures are misleadingly high. Barristers are self-employed and must foot their own expenses, which includes rent for chambers and VAT at 20% and, being self-employed, criminal barristers do not receive sick pay or maternity pay.

An example of a burglary trial at Woolwich Crown Court demonstrates the impact of expenses on net pay. The trial involved 51 hours and 35 minutes work. This would earn a typical junior barrister £653 after VAT.

Expenses of £70 on travel and a fees contribution to rent a clerk of £180 mean that net pay for the case would fall to £403. This works out at £7.82 per hour – below the London ‘living wage’.

One example of a struggling criminal barrister: a young lawyer was earning less than his train driver father who had moved to England from the West Indies, according to Nigel Lithman, chairman of the Criminal Bar Association.

At the other end of the scale; Top commercial barristers can command huge sums of money for civil cases.

Lord Sumption, before his elevation to become a supreme court justice in 2012, received around £5m (he disputes this and claimed that it was substantially less) when he acted for Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich in his High Court court case against a Russian rival, the late Boris Berezovsky.

According to data from the Ministry of Justice, six criminal barristers receiving pay through legal aid earned over £500,000 in the financial year ending April 2013.

1,275 barristers received payments over £100,000 over the same period, although this figure includes VAT and expenses, which require to be taken out of the figure and then then the remainder is subject to income tax and NICs.

The data took into account a total of 4,931 barristers – meaning that the majority earned much less than the six-figure sums usually associated with the bar.

Source: Financial Times

Don't forget that anyone 'lucky' enough to earn over £100,000 loses their personal tax allowance and, in effect, is paying a marginal rate of 63% if NICs are included.

A more enlightened scale of pay for criminal cases comes from Chambers Student:

- Earnings (Year 1): £10,000 - £30,000

- Earnings (Year 5): £40,000 - £70,000

Don't be blinded by the mainstream media; most simply publish press releases provided by government departments and don't undertake any additional research of the subject.

If the cuts to Legal Aid go through there will be a migration of Barristers to other lines of work; the losers, will be the general public and Justice, itself.

Doctor Nasty

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough


"

If the cuts to Legal Aid go through there will be a migration of Barristers to other lines of work;

"

They could always retrain as GP's an earn £1500 a weekend doing AandE locum work

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10550491/GPs-paid-1500-a-night-for-AandE-shifts.html

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What exactly is a fatcat ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What exactly is a fatcat ?"

Think it's the same as a fat twat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What exactly is a fatcat ?"

Is it my fluffy long hair moggy taking up most of the lounge chair?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"This is the usual governmental softening up campaign to portray a group as earning enormous amounts of money. Remember the GPs earring £250,000 pa, most work part-time and are on less than £50,000.

The mean salary for criminal barristers in the year to April 2013 was £72,000, according to the Ministry of Justice. The median was £56,000. The use of 'average' is inappropriate.

The Criminal Bar Association, however, says these figures are misleadingly high. Barristers are self-employed and must foot their own expenses, which includes rent for chambers and VAT at 20% and, being self-employed, criminal barristers do not receive sick pay or maternity pay.

An example of a burglary trial at Woolwich Crown Court demonstrates the impact of expenses on net pay. The trial involved 51 hours and 35 minutes work. This would earn a typical junior barrister £653 after VAT.

Expenses of £70 on travel and a fees contribution to rent a clerk of £180 mean that net pay for the case would fall to £403. This works out at £7.82 per hour – below the London ‘living wage’.

One example of a struggling criminal barrister: a young lawyer was earning less than his train driver father who had moved to England from the West Indies, according to Nigel Lithman, chairman of the Criminal Bar Association.

At the other end of the scale; Top commercial barristers can command huge sums of money for civil cases.

Lord Sumption, before his elevation to become a supreme court justice in 2012, received around £5m (he disputes this and claimed that it was substantially less) when he acted for Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich in his High Court court case against a Russian rival, the late Boris Berezovsky.

According to data from the Ministry of Justice, six criminal barristers receiving pay through legal aid earned over £500,000 in the financial year ending April 2013.

1,275 barristers received payments over £100,000 over the same period, although this figure includes VAT and expenses, which require to be taken out of the figure and then then the remainder is subject to income tax and NICs.

The data took into account a total of 4,931 barristers – meaning that the majority earned much less than the six-figure sums usually associated with the bar.

Source: Financial Times

Don't forget that anyone 'lucky' enough to earn over £100,000 loses their personal tax allowance and, in effect, is paying a marginal rate of 63% if NICs are included.

A more enlightened scale of pay for criminal cases comes from Chambers Student:

- Earnings (Year 1): £10,000 - £30,000

- Earnings (Year 5): £40,000 - £70,000

Don't be blinded by the mainstream media; most simply publish press releases provided by government departments and don't undertake any additional research of the subject.

If the cuts to Legal Aid go through there will be a migration of Barristers to other lines of work; the losers, will be the general public and Justice, itself.

Doctor Nasty

Absolute tosh !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry your all wrong don't be fooled & live in the real world ; Zlove & peace to all."

Whare do you get your facts from?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling


"This is the usual governmental softening up campaign to portray a group as earning enormous amounts of money. Remember the GPs earring £250,000 pa, most work part-time and are on less than £50,000.

The mean salary for criminal barristers in the year to April 2013 was £72,000, according to the Ministry of Justice. The median was £56,000. The use of 'average' is inappropriate.

The Criminal Bar Association, however, says these figures are misleadingly high. Barristers are self-employed and must foot their own expenses, which includes rent for chambers and VAT at 20% and, being self-employed, criminal barristers do not receive sick pay or maternity pay.

An example of a burglary trial at Woolwich Crown Court demonstrates the impact of expenses on net pay. The trial involved 51 hours and 35 minutes work. This would earn a typical junior barrister £653 after VAT.

Expenses of £70 on travel and a fees contribution to rent a clerk of £180 mean that net pay for the case would fall to £403. This works out at £7.82 per hour – below the London ‘living wage’.

One example of a struggling criminal barrister: a young lawyer was earning less than his train driver father who had moved to England from the West Indies, according to Nigel Lithman, chairman of the Criminal Bar Association.

At the other end of the scale; Top commercial barristers can command huge sums of money for civil cases.

Lord Sumption, before his elevation to become a supreme court justice in 2012, received around £5m (he disputes this and claimed that it was substantially less) when he acted for Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich in his High Court court case against a Russian rival, the late Boris Berezovsky.

According to data from the Ministry of Justice, six criminal barristers receiving pay through legal aid earned over £500,000 in the financial year ending April 2013.

1,275 barristers received payments over £100,000 over the same period, although this figure includes VAT and expenses, which require to be taken out of the figure and then then the remainder is subject to income tax and NICs.

The data took into account a total of 4,931 barristers – meaning that the majority earned much less than the six-figure sums usually associated with the bar.

Source: Financial Times

Don't forget that anyone 'lucky' enough to earn over £100,000 loses their personal tax allowance and, in effect, is paying a marginal rate of 63% if NICs are included.

A more enlightened scale of pay for criminal cases comes from Chambers Student:

- Earnings (Year 1): £10,000 - £30,000

- Earnings (Year 5): £40,000 - £70,000

Don't be blinded by the mainstream media; most simply publish press releases provided by government departments and don't undertake any additional research of the subject.

If the cuts to Legal Aid go through there will be a migration of Barristers to other lines of work; the losers, will be the general public and Justice, itself.

Doctor Nasty

Absolute tosh !

"

Go on the "tulip"; enlighten us with your facts regarding barristers wages. All this noise but no stats to back your sweeping statement.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

At the end of the day each to their own, and as for comparing to a train driver father who is also on the ladder of success is pathetic.

Barristers as most people need to start somewhere and can earn a living however they wish just like most people.

No need to feel sorry forvthem

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Pops in to check if chapter headings are now useful on posts.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"At the end of the day each to their own, and as for comparing to a train driver father who is also on the ladder of success is pathetic.

Barristers as most people need to start somewhere and can earn a living however they wish just like most people.

No need to feel sorry forvthem"

I'm not feeling sorry for THEM. They went on strike about the changes to the system. Yes, it affects what they are paid but the real losers are the general public.

There is no point in providing any more examples of real barristers.

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough


"

They could always retrain as GP's an earn £1500 a weekend doing AandE locum work

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10550491/GPs-paid-1500-a-night-for-AandE-shifts.html"

Yet another misleading of the truth; would you rather have a qualified and competent accident and emergency Registrar or Consultant dealing with your emergency case, or a General Practitioner?

I suspect that none of the Medical Defence societies i.e.the companies that indemnify doctors against medical malpractice, would cover a General Practitioner working in A&E.

They might work as GPs in an A&E department but they will not be undertaking A&E duties.

Again, do not be fooled by the media; telephone numbers of the MD societies available by PM, if you want to check up.

Doctor Nasty

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By *eforfuncplCouple
over a year ago

Morecambe


"Barristers are saying that the change in legal aid procedure will seriously affect their income and insist that most working on legal aid cases earn an average of £36,000 and in some cases less than £20,000 per year.Pull the other one you fatcat greedy full of shite hypocrites xx Love to all & peace ;0))

"

Just remember some of the people getting legs aid at times have feck all anyway and a lot of the time people who should be able to use the system can't did to sponging gits draining the system dry aka benefits street !!

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh dear some people do get frustrated over what other people earn. I guess most if it is guess work and a pinch of facts but in general I always think jelous people believe what they want to believe and would rather ignore the facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know, fancy charging me that much to help steady me as I walk up or down stairs...oh wait, barristers...

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough


"

Just remember some of the people getting legs aid at times have feck all anyway and a lot of the time people who should be able to use the system can't did to sponging gits draining the system dry aka benefits street !!

"

Also remember, the number of foreign nationals who take advantage of the legal aid system in this country to pursue legal cases to their own advantage e.g. divorce proceedings and other cases that would be ruled out of court, in admissible or simply fail in their own country.

'Sponging gits' sums it up, perfectly; why spend your own money when you can use someone else's?

We're being taken for a collective ride.

For 'tulip', Barrister; potential first year earnings £12,000 after study and examinations. Member of Parliament £66,000, no study and no qualifications.

Fiddle your expenses, or some other infarction, and the Barrister is struck off and, probably, goes to gaol; the MP, simply apologises to The House, and carries on.

I know which side, I would support.

Doctor Nasty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What does legal aid have to do with making my cappuccino??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not directly linked to their pay but....today's BBC news site quotes an MP as saying parent's accused of child abuse should move abroad to avoid prosecution. This is based on the fact that authorities are under so much pressure to pursue investigations, that they cant investigate cases to the degree needed to ensure innocence.

Several cases are cited where rare medical conditions suffered by children led parent's to be scrutinised. Perhaps we do need a top of the range service to counter balance the justice system? I'm changing my perspective on this.

Perhaps barristers should look at at the delivery of their message about pay to the public, or are they already prevented from doing so by the media ?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"

Just remember some of the people getting legs aid at times have feck all anyway and a lot of the time people who should be able to use the system can't did to sponging gits draining the system dry aka benefits street !!

Also remember, the number of foreign nationals who take advantage of the legal aid system in this country to pursue legal cases to their own advantage e.g. divorce proceedings and other cases that would be ruled out of court, in admissible or simply fail in their own country.

'Sponging gits' sums it up, perfectly; why spend your own money when you can use someone else's?

We're being taken for a collective ride.

For 'tulip', Barrister; potential first year earnings £12,000 after study and examinations. Member of Parliament £66,000, no study and no qualifications.

Fiddle your expenses, or some other infarction, and the Barrister is struck off and, probably, goes to gaol; the MP, simply apologises to The House, and carries on.

I know which side, I would support.

Doctor Nasty"

That's just pupillage, but can earn up to £750,000

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Regardless of fees of barristers whats more worrying is unless you rich it will be harder to go to court for most folk and this ultimately is what government are doing.

Yet another attemot at making life harder for those who may need genuine help.

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By *eamgbukCouple (MM)
over a year ago

sunny york

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession."

Many families rip themselves apart before the legal profession get involved. In the case of break down of family relationships, if both parties were reasonable rather than trying to score points, you wouldn't have the need for legal representation.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It would be better of parents stopped treating their children as a convenient stick with which to beat each other over the head.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession.

Many families rip themselves apart before the legal profession get involved. In the case of break down of family relationships, if both parties were reasonable rather than trying to score points, you wouldn't have the need for legal representation. "

Exactly! The Family Court is full of people who have split for whatever reason and stopped being reasonable adults at the same time. When a child/children are involved just get some relationship counselling before you go to court.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"

Just remember some of the people getting legs aid at times have feck all anyway and a lot of the time people who should be able to use the system can't did to sponging gits draining the system dry aka benefits street !!

Also remember, the number of foreign nationals who take advantage of the legal aid system in this country to pursue legal cases to their own advantage e.g. divorce proceedings and other cases that would be ruled out of court, in admissible or simply fail in their own country.

'Sponging gits' sums it up, perfectly; why spend your own money when you can use someone else's?

We're being taken for a collective ride.

For 'tulip', Barrister; potential first year earnings £12,000 after study and examinations. Member of Parliament £66,000, no study and no qualifications.

Fiddle your expenses, or some other infarction, and the Barrister is struck off and, probably, goes to gaol; the MP, simply apologises to The House, and carries on.

I know which side, I would support.

Doctor Nasty

That's just pupillage, but can earn up to £750,000"

Can and do are not the same things. Those representing Sammy Shoplifter get nothing like this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is there animosity about the pay anyway? Lets entertain the preconceived notion that they are rewarded handsomely.

I don't see the issue considering they've trained for years and chosen a career (wisely if its so well paid).

We all have the ability to improve our lot. Is it jealousy, or genuine belief ?

Perhaps we shouldn't be comparing ourselves all the time.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


" Why is there animosity about the pay anyway? Lets entertain the preconceived notion that they are rewarded handsomely.

I don't see the issue considering they've trained for years and chosen a career (wisely if its so well paid).

We all have the ability to improve our lot. Is it jealousy, or genuine belief ?

Perhaps we shouldn't be comparing ourselves all the time. "

For some reason all professionals get a hard time on Fab. Along with anyone on benefits. Earn but no more than £26k pa and you'll be fine on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Why is there animosity about the pay anyway? Lets entertain the preconceived notion that they are rewarded handsomely.

I don't see the issue considering they've trained for years and chosen a career (wisely if its so well paid).

We all have the ability to improve our lot. Is it jealousy, or genuine belief ?

Perhaps we shouldn't be comparing ourselves all the time.

For some reason all professionals get a hard time on Fab. Along with anyone on benefits. Earn but no more than £26k pa and you'll be fine on here."

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

I can hardly believe that someone working in a coffee shop makes that kind of money

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"

Just remember some of the people getting legs aid at times have feck all anyway and a lot of the time people who should be able to use the system can't did to sponging gits draining the system dry aka benefits street !!

Also remember, the number of foreign nationals who take advantage of the legal aid system in this country to pursue legal cases to their own advantage e.g. divorce proceedings and other cases that would be ruled out of court, in admissible or simply fail in their own country.

'Sponging gits' sums it up, perfectly; why spend your own money when you can use someone else's?

We're being taken for a collective ride.

For 'tulip', Barrister; potential first year earnings £12,000 after study and examinations. Member of Parliament £66,000, no study and no qualifications.

Fiddle your expenses, or some other infarction, and the Barrister is struck off and, probably, goes to gaol; the MP, simply apologises to The House, and carries on.

I know which side, I would support.

Doctor Nasty

That's just pupillage, but can earn up to £750,000

Can and do are not the same things. Those representing Sammy Shoplifter get nothing like this.

"
where as someone who represnted nadir Polly peck will be paid handsomely.

If you want to progress the world is your oyster.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


" Why is there animosity about the pay anyway? Lets entertain the preconceived notion that they are rewarded handsomely.

I don't see the issue considering they've trained for years and chosen a career (wisely if its so well paid).

We all have the ability to improve our lot. Is it jealousy, or genuine belief ?

Perhaps we shouldn't be comparing ourselves all the time.

For some reason all professionals get a hard time on Fab. Along with anyone on benefits. Earn but no more than £26k pa and you'll be fine on here.

"

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough


"

That's just pupillage, but can earn up to £750,000"

Indeed, but very, very unlikely for Barristers working in criminal law and accepting Legal Aid cases; please see the figures and salaries in my original post.

Doctor Nasty

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

CABx across London announcing redundancies due to the legal aid changes as well.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

Though i dont have issues with legal aid i do think the system gets abused badly to the point where some solicitors will help claimants with their application for it just to secure the work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's be realistic about the whole issue here.

The higher earners are probably in the 5-10% of the whole, as with most professions where those at the top earn a lot having worked for decades to get there.

Any quoted salary can be halved to account for Chambers' costs, expenses and tax. And then, as with any other self-employed person owed monies are not always paid immediately.

Regarding solicitors who charge £100+ per hour - it's the firm that gets that, whereas the solicitor is salaried and has to work for many years to gain a share in the profits.

Legal aid cuts are not just about lawyers' salaries but about justice. It is fair to state that quality will suffer if such work is gained via the lowest bids etc...

Lawyers can have their jobs - very difficult and not at all glam.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

Amazed at some of the opinions on here , a close family member is a barrister ( retired) and he certainly didn't make masses of money , and he worked long long hours sometimes seven days a week

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By *razedcatMan
over a year ago

London / Herts

As someone who is aiming to qualify for the Bar in about a year and a half from now, I find this to be a very interesting topic.

I can hardly harbour any bitterness towards people who cling to the stereotype that barristers are all "fatcats", who inexplicably charge huge sums of money for doing very little. Just a few years ago, I thought the same.

But the reality is so, so different. Being a barrister is enormously challenging, regardless of how much money you make every month. There is no instance of a barrister simply charging massive amounts of money for doing nothing. They have an astonishing grasp of the law, which is subject to change every day. They are often wonderfully articulate people, and their knowledge of court procedure has to hit perfection so as to not seriously prejudice their client

Moreover, at the moment the bar (taken as a whole) Is shockingly underfunded. Criminal and family law barristers make very little considering how much education and training they have received, and how much of a burden they carry in relation to their work. The concensus in the profession at the moment is that becoming a solicitor is far more lucrative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would kill for, a barrister at the minute... Guess the solicitor will have to do

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The top earning advocate in 2011 and 2012, Gordon Jackson QC, was paid more than £400,000 in legal aid fees alone + any private work which came his was.

Clearly not everyone is earning this but there's a good few getting £200,000 +.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham


"As someone who is aiming to qualify for the Bar in about a year and a half from now, I find this to be a very interesting topic.

I can hardly harbour any bitterness towards people who cling to the stereotype that barristers are all "fatcats", who inexplicably charge huge sums of money for doing very little. Just a few years ago, I thought the same.

But the reality is so, so different. Being a barrister is enormously challenging, regardless of how much money you make every month. There is no instance of a barrister simply charging massive amounts of money for doing nothing. They have an astonishing grasp of the law, which is subject to change every day. They are often wonderfully articulate people, and their knowledge of court procedure has to hit perfection so as to not seriously prejudice their client

Moreover, at the moment the bar (taken as a whole) Is shockingly underfunded. Criminal and family law barristers make very little considering how much education and training they have received, and how much of a burden they carry in relation to their work. The concensus in the profession at the moment is that becoming a solicitor is far more lucrative.

"

You are absolutely right ,going back 30 years there were also far fewer barristers , not only are the legal aid fee's pitiful, they can also take years to be paid

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By *razedcatMan
over a year ago

London / Herts


"

Clearly not everyone is earning this but there's a good few getting £200,000 +."

There are also a lot of MPs on that amount or more, as most treat their positions as something of a part time job. I know that my local MP sits on the board of directors for an oil company, for example.

And then you have the finance industry, which, in terms of percentage, consists of a lot more people on 200+k per year.

Truth be told I think the underlying arguments against barrister earnings are simply masked resentment at anyone making above average money. And that is a sentiment coming from someone who just a few weeks ago, argued that the billionairesand trillionaires of this world should have their wealth subject to control.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

There's clearly a resentment in some quarters against anyone who makes decent money unless, of course, they play for your favourite football team or make movies or records you like.

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

Fuck me...80 odd posts and not a single mention of "Daily Mail Readers"...of course all Barristers earn in excess of £359383883838388 pa and they're all just in it for the dosh...FACT

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession."

I've never known a poor lawyer. Even whilst still in the lower levels of their professions they are still earning higher than equivalent professional trades (engineers in particular but also nursing, doctors , and surveyors).

Sorry, but I believe that the legal professions (and this includes our lords and masters in Westminster) along with the accountancy professions are so tainted that they are un-recoverable.

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By *ike4362ukMan
over a year ago

Cheshunt

It's not a resentment for those earning a greater amount, if so I would burn in hell. It's more about the worth of the people protected by laws passed

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


"The top earning advocate in 2011 and 2012, Gordon Jackson QC, was paid more than £400,000 in legal aid fees alone + any private work which came his was.

Clearly not everyone is earning this but there's a good few getting £200,000 +."

Dont be using hard facts in an argument, thats not fair!

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

The solicitor that I consulted about my divorce charged £250 an hour .. So I have very little sympathy with the low pay in the legal profession argument

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"There's clearly a resentment in some quarters against anyone who makes decent money unless, of course, they play for your favourite football team or make movies or records you like."

Obviously theor pay is going to be affected by the changes in legal aid. Obviously this is going to upset them as they have worked hard to get where they are in their profession and have become accustomed to the income they have now.

How would those of you who earn above the NMW feel if your boss suddenly dropped your salary so.you were just on that? (and yes, I know lawyers and barristers and solicitors earn way above the NMW and possibly what you earn but the comparison works)

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

great thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession.

I've never known a poor lawyer. Even whilst still in the lower levels of their professions they are still earning higher than equivalent professional trades (engineers in particular but also nursing, doctors , and surveyors).

Sorry, but I believe that the legal professions (and this includes our lords and masters in Westminster) along with the accountancy professions are so tainted that they are un-recoverable. "

The entire professions? Give me a break.

Last week I saw a bouncer punch someone, so we can't trust them either. Oh and taxi drivers are all rapists, lorry drivers all fall asleep at the wheel while using their mobile phones, nurses are all doing mercy killings and care workers are all abusing their patients.

There are bad apples in every profession, every job and every walk of life, don't be so resentful and closed minded of those who have chosen a path that's more lucrative than others.

Oh and I know plenty of engineers earning a fuck ton more than the lawyers I know. No I don't know any 'poor' lawyers, but why should they be? Well paid doesn't have to equal corrupt or fat cat. Everyone should be respected for the work they do, if they do a good job, whatever the salary.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession.

Many families rip themselves apart before the legal profession get involved. In the case of break down of family relationships, if both parties were reasonable rather than trying to score points, you wouldn't have the need for legal representation. "

Exactly: I wanted a divorce, my husband didn't. I went to a solicitor and asked how much it would cost. She said she couldn't say exactly, but ball park figure: around £7,500. That was 12 years ago.

I waited five years...time really flew by...did it myself: cost? £400 and £40 of that was the return cab fare plus waiting time from my home in Dulwich to the court in Putney to lodge my papers.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


" Why is there animosity about the pay anyway? Lets entertain the preconceived notion that they are rewarded handsomely.

I don't see the issue considering they've trained for years and chosen a career (wisely if its so well paid).

We all have the ability to improve our lot. Is it jealousy, or genuine belief ?

Perhaps we shouldn't be comparing ourselves all the time.

For some reason all professionals get a hard time on Fab. Along with anyone on benefits. Earn but no more than £26k pa and you'll be fine on here."

You noticed too huh!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"The solicitor that I consulted about my divorce charged £250 an hour .. So I have very little sympathy with the low pay in the legal profession argument"

The solicitors we use for work charge £144 an hour: you didn't shop around.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"There's clearly a resentment in some quarters against anyone who makes decent money unless, of course, they play for your favourite football team or make movies or records you like."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Why is there animosity about the pay anyway? Lets entertain the preconceived notion that they are rewarded handsomely.

I don't see the issue considering they've trained for years and chosen a career (wisely if its so well paid).

We all have the ability to improve our lot. Is it jealousy, or genuine belief ?

Perhaps we shouldn't be comparing ourselves all the time.

For some reason all professionals get a hard time on Fab. Along with anyone on benefits. Earn but no more than £26k pa and you'll be fine on here.

You noticed too huh! "

This is so true. The level of resentment and inverse snobbery coming from some people's posts is palpable.

It's lovely heading off to another day sat in my ivory tower earning vast amounts of money while shitting on everyone else, to know that I'm tainted

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend


"The solicitor that I consulted about my divorce charged £250 an hour .. So I have very little sympathy with the low pay in the legal profession argument

The solicitors we use for work charge £144 an hour: you didn't shop around."
only £144 an hour .. Wow I was conned .. Or are they just greedy .. As this thread alleges

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession.

I've never known a poor lawyer. Even whilst still in the lower levels of their professions they are still earning higher than equivalent professional trades (engineers in particular but also nursing, doctors , and surveyors).

Sorry, but I believe that the legal professions (and this includes our lords and masters in Westminster) along with the accountancy professions are so tainted that they are un-recoverable.

The entire professions? Give me a break.

Last week I saw a bouncer punch someone, so we can't trust them either. Oh and taxi drivers are all rapists, lorry drivers all fall asleep at the wheel while using their mobile phones, nurses are all doing mercy killings and care workers are all abusing their patients.

There are bad apples in every profession, every job and every walk of life, don't be so resentful and closed minded of those who have chosen a path that's more lucrative than others.

Oh and I know plenty of engineers earning a fuck ton more than the lawyers I know. No I don't know any 'poor' lawyers, but why should they be? Well paid doesn't have to equal corrupt or fat cat. Everyone should be respected for the work they do, if they do a good job, whatever the salary. "

Now, now Missy: balanced, unbiased posts without any hint of jealousy or resentment towards others reaping the rewards of their hard work will get you banned!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession.

Many families rip themselves apart before the legal profession get involved. In the case of break down of family relationships, if both parties were reasonable rather than trying to score points, you wouldn't have the need for legal representation.

Exactly: I wanted a divorce, my husband didn't. I went to a solicitor and asked how much it would cost. She said she couldn't say exactly, but ball park figure: around £7,500. That was 12 years ago.

I waited five years...time really flew by...did it myself: cost? £400 and £40 of that was the return cab fare plus waiting time from my home in Dulwich to the court in Putney to lodge my papers."

Yes, it can be done cheaply, assuming neither party are warring and they can agree on property, money and kids.

I have been divorced 3 times and it's cost me about £25-30k in legal fees.

I dont begrudge them a penny, was just relieved it was done!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The change in Legal Aid will affect us all, not just barristers. It's a concern."

Total agreement folk just do not realise the implications.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I'd be more bothered about the wages of the legal profession if they weren't such a bunch of amoral scumbags.

How do you workout that they'r amoral ?

Because of the way they lie and manipulate in the family courts.

They do not care about the child involved, their first aim is to maximize the income, then keep their client quiet.

Many many families have been ripped apart because of the legal profession.

I've never known a poor lawyer. Even whilst still in the lower levels of their professions they are still earning higher than equivalent professional trades (engineers in particular but also nursing, doctors , and surveyors).

Sorry, but I believe that the legal professions (and this includes our lords and masters in Westminster) along with the accountancy professions are so tainted that they are un-recoverable.

The entire professions? Give me a break.

Last week I saw a bouncer punch someone, so we can't trust them either. Oh and taxi drivers are all rapists, lorry drivers all fall asleep at the wheel while using their mobile phones, nurses are all doing mercy killings and care workers are all abusing their patients.

There are bad apples in every profession, every job and every walk of life, don't be so resentful and closed minded of those who have chosen a path that's more lucrative than others.

Oh and I know plenty of engineers earning a fuck ton more than the lawyers I know. No I don't know any 'poor' lawyers, but why should they be? Well paid doesn't have to equal corrupt or fat cat. Everyone should be respected for the work they do, if they do a good job, whatever the salary.

Now, now Missy: balanced, unbiased posts without any hint of jealousy or resentment towards others reaping the rewards of their hard work will get you banned! "

I made that comment 49 weeks ago and it's good to see Fab people change but the characters remain the same.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The solicitor that I consulted about my divorce charged £250 an hour .. So I have very little sympathy with the low pay in the legal profession argument

The solicitors we use for work charge £144 an hour: you didn't shop around. only £144 an hour .. Wow I was conned .. Or are they just greedy .. As this thread alleges"

Some are greedy some aren't.

Those working on immigration and benefits tend to be in grotty offices, earning just about enough to pay for said grotty offices, some admin and salaries.

Those working in corporate law earn a lot more, have swanky offices where the flower bill is more than salaries of every poster on this thread combined.

Both employ other people. Their hourly rates have to cover the offices, the bills that go with that, the salaries of others AND their salaries. Break down what you paid in that way and then you might have a better idea of what your solicitor took from the £250 an hour.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

all people on benefts are lazy scroungers and all the wealthy are bastards through and through......

that's the way it is

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"all people on benefts are lazy scroungers and all the wealthy are bastards through and through......

that's the way it is "

This is :truefact:

And a merry Christmas to one and all

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"all people on benefts are lazy scroungers and all the wealthy are bastards through and through......

that's the way it is "

Let's have a communist state where everyone gets the same amount of money, regardless of how they get it. Even footballers and barristers!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"all people on benefts are lazy scroungers and all the wealthy are bastards through and through......

that's the way it is

Let's have a communist state where everyone gets the same amount of money, regardless of how they get it. Even footballers and barristers!"

Except me because as we all know I am more equal than others

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"The solicitor that I consulted about my divorce charged £250 an hour .. So I have very little sympathy with the low pay in the legal profession argument"

I guess you chose him/ her. You could have gone to a cheaper one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Just because it took years to train doesn't mean the wages have to be enormous. Plenty other professions don't get paid that much with more years at university"

But 36k a year really isn't very much money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a mate who's a barrister and he earns nowhere NEAR this much! he makes a great cup of coffee though.

oh and by the way it's spelt BARISTA!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The solicitor that I consulted about my divorce charged £250 an hour .. So I have very little sympathy with the low pay in the legal profession argument"

That's not actually that much money for someone who is professionally qualified and *good* at what they do.

When I was a photographer working full time for an agency and photographing catalogues, I was 'sold' at over £1000 per day - about six hours in total. For a photographer. With NO training.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The solicitor that I consulted about my divorce charged £250 an hour .. So I have very little sympathy with the low pay in the legal profession argument

That's not actually that much money for someone who is professionally qualified and *good* at what they do.

When I was a photographer working full time for an agency and photographing catalogues, I was 'sold' at over £1000 per day - about six hours in total. For a photographer. With NO training."

One of the things I do is work out the day rates for different roles in organisations to ensure that they break even. Even quite junior roles come to about £50 an hour.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

People forget that an employee's hourly rate charged out isn't what they get paid.

That money has to support their firm's non-earning staff + overheads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Head above parapet and waits for it to be shot off"

The legal profession has always been portrayed as greedy and rich.

Legal Aid lawyers have always been portrayed as those that milk the system. This simply isn't the case.

There are varying rates for legal aid, depending on what category the work falls into, however, legal aid work is generally on the basis of £50 an hour, but that itself isn't reality, especially in terms of criminal legal aid, as it is billed on a fixed fee basis. Without going into huge amounts of detail, the average case at the magistrates court will be worth £170 (ish) plus VAT.

So, you would have to do a lot of cases to earn a lot of money.

As some other posters have noted, the hourly rate figure or the case figure is false as out of that, tax, disbursements and overheads have to be paid, so the actual figure is much lower.

As for barristers, yes, slightly more money, but again, billed on a graduated fee basis so a full Crown Court trial could be worth just £600 to the barrister, regardless of how much work the barrister was to put into it.

Out of that chambers rent, say 15 % (a number of chambers are higher than this), then a further 20 % tax etc etc so you can see how the reality is often very different from that which is reported in the press.

Don't get me wrong, there are a number of legal aid barristers who earn a good living, but it has to be considered how long ago that case finished as you can often wait over a year to be paid, and therefore the figures can be skewed a little for this, and other reasons.

The reality with the reforms is that access to justice is being restricted, as legal aid becomes less available, more will have to represent themselves and be without any form of assistance.

Yes, there are a number who see court cases as an occupational hazard, but, anyone can be in the wrong place at the wrong time and find themselves in court, and this is the real issue.

Sorry for going on a little.

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By *Kgirl80Woman
over a year ago

South Coast

The overheads and chambers' fees can be extremely high. Certainly an eye opener and very much against public perception.

I know many who have retrained away from the legal profession.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Barristers are saying that the change in legal aid procedure will seriously affect their income and insist that most working on legal aid cases earn an average of £36,000 and in some cases less than £20,000 per year.Pull the other one you fatcat greedy full of shite hypocrites xx Love to all & peace ;0))

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. There are very wide variations in Barristers pay and many of the figures quoted regarding their pay are before payment of overheads . However the whole legal system needs a dramatic overhaul in order to make it more cost effective. I sued a public organisation once as a ligitant in person. and the tactics adopted by the defence were nothing short of disgracefull. They included failure to prepare disclosure documents within agreed court deadlines and not disclosing a crucial document . The defence tried to claim it was a complicated case but I believe this was only to justify their excessive legal fees and time wasting tactics . I estimate that the defence spent circa. £50,000 on the case when it could have easily been settled for £5000. The barrister concerned was never going to recommend this it would have reduced his legal fees . In addition he had the cheek to claim in court that he found it extremely difficult to obtain any statements from from his client and used this an excuse to justify delaying releasing various documents relating to the case. In my case the only interest the barrister had in the case was screwing as much money out of the system as possible . Law is not particularly complicated in most cases and I cannot see why courts cannot employ salaried barristers to prepare cases. The law should also be amended to make parties in court cases responsible for their own legal fees and prevented from claiming these fees from the winning party.

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