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"To be fair, Jane, maybe the OP mis-heard the news item, and they were actually announcing the latest attempt to stifle Joanna Lumley - banning swearing about Ghurkas in the House of Commons " LOL......love it | |||
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" Just on the news that a committee of the HoC has voted to ban the wearing of the Islamic burka in public. About time too, I say, any comments? " It said Belgium on the news, not the UK | |||
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" Just on the news that a committee of the HoC has voted to ban the wearing of the Islamic burka in public. About time too, I say, any comments? " This patently isn't the case - but can I ask why you feel it's a good thing? Z | |||
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" A ban on dungarees? Z" Too bloody right!! dungarees are hideous! As for the burkas,It surely cant work,who is anyone to tell someone they can't wear an item of clothing that THEY choose to wear Although Bluewater shopping centre did ban anyone wearing hoodies from going there | |||
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"You cant wear hoodies, you have to remove crash helmets when entering shops yet your allowed to walk round in something where you can only see your eyeslits. Plus they wear them out of choice and its not a religious prerequisit. Let them do what they like at home or in there culture enviroment. But in public places they should show their faces. Plus they give me the willies especially the ones that wear glasses" You forgot to mention, you can’t wear your pyjamas in tescos | |||
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"It won't hold up in Belgium either, like the French attempt it will fall foul of EU Human Rights legislation. We live in a tolerant society where many thousands of men and women have died to preserve our rights of freedom, they didn't lay down their lives so that we can ban clothing just because it doesn't suit all our beliefs. " Wished that was the case, try doing you’re shopping wearing a balaclava and see how far you get | |||
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"Hang on just had thought here. Hoodies were banned not too long ago weren't they? At least in places like garage forcourts and shopping malls. Maybe the same could be used for burkas?" Probably on the grounds of security, which is understandable because they were often being used to carry out crimes against both persons and property. I think your average muslim woman walking along the streets of Luton wearing a burkha isn't doing so to carry out a 'happy slap' or a street robbery. | |||
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"Hang on just had thought here. Hoodies were banned not too long ago weren't they? At least in places like garage forcourts and shopping malls. Maybe the same could be used for burkas? Probably on the grounds of security, which is understandable because they were often being used to carry out crimes against both persons and property. I think your average muslim woman walking along the streets of Luton wearing a burkha isn't doing so to carry out a 'happy slap' or a street robbery." Thats true, but whats to stop someone dressing up as a muslim woman for whatever reasons. You cant even tell if they are male or female or their race with all that lot on. Wasnt there a case of the guy who got through passport control a few years ago dressed in a burka | |||
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"One country, one law for all I say. " Or one country, one religion? That seems to be what you are saying here. The thing that makes us different from anyone else is that we CAN have diversity here and our own way of life isn't threatened by it. Take a closer look at Muslim countries and their laws are so draconian that it could be said that their religion is so insecure that they need to prop it up with such laws. | |||
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"You cant wear hoodies, you have to remove crash helmets when entering shops yet your allowed to walk round in something where you can only see your eyeslits. Plus they wear them out of choice and its not a religious prerequisit. Let them do what they like at home or in there culture enviroment. But in public places they should show their faces. Plus they give me the willies especially the ones that wear glasses" Was about to say the same thing, and also caps aren't allowed in a lot of places either. | |||
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"Thing is where does it end?, either we are a tolerant nation or we are not. Do we ban the building of mosques in Britain? Do we ban the sale or possession of the Koran? The proposed ban in both France and Belgium was a general ban in public places, not just in places of security like airports, government buildings, banks etc.....but a blanket ban on the wearing of burkhas in the street. The truth is that British people have been scared into distrusting Muslims because of recent events, but is that enough reason to ban headwear on the grounds of religion?" I agree we are generally a tollerant society, but maybe we mistrust because "some" others abuse that tolerance. I'm not racist in the slightest, but I was sent this short recording www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZM2SA4QOXw of Shahid Malik, Justice Minister explaining what sort of Britain he'd like to see. It sent a shudder up my spine. | |||
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"This is a realy complex subject, and the head scarf birka and hijab (one is a heavy headscarf and one if an all over covering including a veil) are, from my understanding, mre acultural thing than a religious one as there isn't anything in the Koran that demands them. To second the previous posters coments, we are a tolerant nation and so i don't see any way we can ban these coverings and remain tolerant. That having been said, imigration policy for the last 50 years or so has been based on integration and asimilation of foreign nationalities and i do see the scarf to be no problem, the all over covering is, i feel, a major obstacle to that integration." Your understanding that wearing of the birka and hijab is purely cultural and not religious, is correct according to a muslim friend of mine. | |||
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"When I see the Islamic Mullahs preaching in British mosques advocating Sharia law in the UK I see them just as bad as the Ultra Right bodies that practise bigotry. They are no better than each other, but I would like to think that British people can raise themselves above that and show both extremeties that they have no place in our society." I agree, but discontent on either side, breeds radicalism and rise of people like Adolf Hitler. I think it is foolish to ignore the elephant in the room and just hope it' will go away. It's a fact that there are "some" people who would like to see us all ruled by Sharier (not sure of spelling) law. To ignore it might mean Enoch Powells prophesy may come true, then God help us all. | |||
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"NO! ONE COUNTRY ONE LAW! I actually said you can practice any religion you like! But I object to anyone being given the right to claim that they are not subject to the same laws as the rest of us on the grounds of religion! It started about 30 years ago with Sheiks not having to wear crash helmets on motorcycles and at some point in time it has to stop, or maybe you also think that Rastas should be allowed grow, buy, sell and smoke cannabis? Or how about I get 10,000 to put their religion down as “Church of Christ the Psychopath” in the next census, then as a recognised religion under our present laws I claim that it gives me the right to have sex in public outside schools at play time, would that be OK with you? I think not, so why is it OK for anyone to use religion as a reason to claim that they are above any law? I say again ONE COUNTRY, ONE LAW for all. To paraphrase an old adage: Either everyone is equal under the law or there is only tyranny. Sorry about the shouting, but it seems ……… " As there are current laws in place that already outlaw sex in public or growing cannabis then that is no arguement, but there IS NOT a current law that forbids the wearing of a burkha in a public place so they ARE acting within our laws. What if the Church of England pushed for swinging to be prohibited by law in England and Wales?, there are enough MP's that have very close connections to the church that would make this far more likely than Sharia law ever being introduced into the nation. Because a few extremist Islamic preachers rattle on about Sharia law being introduced into British sociaty it doesn't make it any more likely that it ever will. Ask your average British born Muslim if he agrees with Sharia law......I would guess the vast majority of young British Muslims would laugh | |||
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"You cant wear hoodies, you have to remove crash helmets when entering shops yet your allowed to walk round in something where you can only see your eyeslits. Plus they wear them out of choice and its not a religious prerequisit. Let them do what they like at home or in there culture enviroment. But in public places they should show their faces. Plus they give me the willies especially the ones that wear glasses" Here Here! It could be any bugger hidden in there,how the Hell do we know if its a woman or some bloke wanted for terrorist activities? When in Rome and all that..... XXXX | |||
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"You cant wear hoodies, you have to remove crash helmets when entering shops yet your allowed to walk round in something where you can only see your eyeslits. Plus they wear them out of choice and its not a religious prerequisit. Let them do what they like at home or in there culture enviroment. But in public places they should show their faces. Plus they give me the willies especially the ones that wear glasses Here Here! It could be any bugger hidden in there,how the Hell do we know if its a woman or some bloke wanted for terrorist activities? When in Rome and all that..... XXXX" The two women who bombed the Russian Metro system yesterday were not wearing burkhas even though they are suspected of being Muslims, one of them was shown on TV last night wearing a Nike track top. The English lad who bombed the restaurant in Exeter the year before last was wearing a coat he probably brought in a charity shop. The British Pakistani lads who bombed London on 7/7 were wearing everyday clothes that any guy on here could be seen wearing. The wearing of a burkha doesn't make you more likely to be a terrorist, probably less likely. | |||
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"You cant wear hoodies, you have to remove crash helmets when entering shops yet your allowed to walk round in something where you can only see your eyeslits. Plus they wear them out of choice and its not a religious prerequisit. Let them do what they like at home or in there culture enviroment. But in public places they should show their faces. Plus they give me the willies especially the ones that wear glasses Here Here! It could be any bugger hidden in there,how the Hell do we know if its a woman or some bloke wanted for terrorist activities? When in Rome and all that..... XXXX The two women who bombed the Russian Metro system yesterday were not wearing burkhas even though they are suspected of being Muslims, one of them was shown on TV last night wearing a Nike track top. The English lad who bombed the restaurant in Exeter the year before last was wearing a coat he probably brought in a charity shop. The British Pakistani lads who bombed London on 7/7 were wearing everyday clothes that any guy on here could be seen wearing. The wearing of a burkha doesn't make you more likely to be a terrorist, probably less likely. " Again I agree, but wasn't there a terrorist (the one that got caught in Rome I think) who escaped and flew out of Britain dressed in a Burka? | |||
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"You cant wear hoodies, you have to remove crash helmets when entering shops yet your allowed to walk round in something where you can only see your eyeslits. Plus they wear them out of choice and its not a religious prerequisit. Let them do what they like at home or in there culture enviroment. But in public places they should show their faces. Plus they give me the willies especially the ones that wear glasses Here Here! It could be any bugger hidden in there,how the Hell do we know if its a woman or some bloke wanted for terrorist activities? When in Rome and all that..... XXXX The two women who bombed the Russian Metro system yesterday were not wearing burkhas even though they are suspected of being Muslims, one of them was shown on TV last night wearing a Nike track top. The English lad who bombed the restaurant in Exeter the year before last was wearing a coat he probably brought in a charity shop. The British Pakistani lads who bombed London on 7/7 were wearing everyday clothes that any guy on here could be seen wearing. The wearing of a burkha doesn't make you more likely to be a terrorist, probably less likely. Again I agree, but wasn't there a terrorist (the one that got caught in Rome I think) who escaped and flew out of Britain dressed in a Burka?" The newspapers did report that, but not so sure if that was confirmed by the security agencies....trouble is we have the press printing all sorts of crap just to get headlines. | |||
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" Just on the news that a committee of the HoC has voted to ban the wearing of the Islamic burka in public. About time too, I say, any comments? " UUUMMM...I would love to wear a burka...not so great on a hot day maybe....but girls...just think.. No more rummaging in the wardrobe....wondering what to wear... No more "Bad Hair" days.. Problem Skin..??? Who would Know..??? Having a "Fat Day"...who would notice those bulges..or muffin tops...??? Fecking Splendid Idea...and you can pull faces at peeps you are talking to..they will never know.. I WANT ONE.. | |||
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"You cant wear hoodies, you have to remove crash helmets when entering shops yet your allowed to walk round in something where you can only see your eyeslits. Plus they wear them out of choice and its not a religious prerequisit. Let them do what they like at home or in there culture enviroment. But in public places they should show their faces. Plus they give me the willies especially the ones that wear glasses Here Here! It could be any bugger hidden in there,how the Hell do we know if its a woman or some bloke wanted for terrorist activities? When in Rome and all that..... XXXX The two women who bombed the Russian Metro system yesterday were not wearing burkhas even though they are suspected of being Muslims, one of them was shown on TV last night wearing a Nike track top. The English lad who bombed the restaurant in Exeter the year before last was wearing a coat he probably brought in a charity shop. The British Pakistani lads who bombed London on 7/7 were wearing everyday clothes that any guy on here could be seen wearing. The wearing of a burkha doesn't make you more likely to be a terrorist, probably less likely. Again I agree, but wasn't there a terrorist (the one that got caught in Rome I think) who escaped and flew out of Britain dressed in a Burka? The newspapers did report that, but not so sure if that was confirmed by the security agencies....trouble is we have the press printing all sorts of crap just to get headlines." This is true, you can't trust anyone. What a world we live in ...big sigh! | |||
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" Just on the news that a committee of the HoC has voted to ban the wearing of the Islamic burka in public. About time too, I say, any comments? UUUMMM...I would love to wear a burka...not so great on a hot day maybe....but girls...just think.. No more rummaging in the wardrobe....wondering what to wear... No more "Bad Hair" days.. Problem Skin..??? Who would Know..??? Having a "Fat Day"...who would notice those bulges..or muffin tops...??? Fecking Splendid Idea...and you can pull faces at peeps you are talking to..they will never know.. I WANT ONE.." You could even sit at work with a midget hidden underneath licking away at your pussy.....wants one too | |||
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"You cant wear hoodies, you have to remove crash helmets when entering shops yet your allowed to walk round in something where you can only see your eyeslits. Plus they wear them out of choice and its not a religious prerequisit. Let them do what they like at home or in there culture enviroment. But in public places they should show their faces. Plus they give me the willies especially the ones that wear glasses Here Here! It could be any bugger hidden in there,how the Hell do we know if its a woman or some bloke wanted for terrorist activities? When in Rome and all that..... XXXX The two women who bombed the Russian Metro system yesterday were not wearing burkhas even though they are suspected of being Muslims, one of them was shown on TV last night wearing a Nike track top. The English lad who bombed the restaurant in Exeter the year before last was wearing a coat he probably brought in a charity shop. The British Pakistani lads who bombed London on 7/7 were wearing everyday clothes that any guy on here could be seen wearing. The wearing of a burkha doesn't make you more likely to be a terrorist, probably less likely. " But it doesn't alter the FACT that its the best disguise you could get away with from showing your true identity. Coupled with the probability that its a male orientated idea and prerequisite and nothing to do with religion. Bearing that in mind,the banning of it is a small price to pay if it gives just one degree of extra safety and security to the people of this country. Any Muslim who genuinely wants to integrate into our society would surely find it well worth the sacrifice. | |||
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"You cant wear hoodies, you have to remove crash helmets when entering shops yet your allowed to walk round in something where you can only see your eyeslits. Plus they wear them out of choice and its not a religious prerequisit. Let them do what they like at home or in there culture enviroment. But in public places they should show their faces. Plus they give me the willies especially the ones that wear glasses Here Here! It could be any bugger hidden in there,how the Hell do we know if its a woman or some bloke wanted for terrorist activities? When in Rome and all that..... XXXX The two women who bombed the Russian Metro system yesterday were not wearing burkhas even though they are suspected of being Muslims, one of them was shown on TV last night wearing a Nike track top. The English lad who bombed the restaurant in Exeter the year before last was wearing a coat he probably brought in a charity shop. The British Pakistani lads who bombed London on 7/7 were wearing everyday clothes that any guy on here could be seen wearing. The wearing of a burkha doesn't make you more likely to be a terrorist, probably less likely. But it doesn't alter the FACT that its the best disguise you could get away with from showing your true identity. Coupled with the probability that its a male orientated idea and prerequisite and nothing to do with religion. Bearing that in mind,the banning of it is a small price to pay if it gives just one degree of extra safety and security to the people of this country. Any Muslim who genuinely wants to integrate into our society would surely find it well worth the sacrifice." Yes, but where do you stop on that basis? My wife read the other day that breast implants could be seen as a security risk, and a way of carrying explosives, that can't be seen by the new scanners. | |||
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". Bearing that in mind,the banning of it is a small price to pay if it gives just one degree of extra safety and security to the people of this country. Any Muslim who genuinely wants to integrate into our society would surely find it well worth the sacrifice." Speechless!! | |||
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" Just on the news that a committee of the HoC has voted to ban the wearing of the Islamic burka in public. About time too, I say, any comments? UUUMMM...I would love to wear a burka...not so great on a hot day maybe....but girls...just think.. No more rummaging in the wardrobe....wondering what to wear... No more "Bad Hair" days.. Problem Skin..??? Who would Know..??? Having a "Fat Day"...who would notice those bulges..or muffin tops...??? Fecking Splendid Idea...and you can pull faces at peeps you are talking to..they will never know.. I WANT ONE.. You could even sit at work with a midget hidden underneath licking away at your pussy.....wants one too" Is there no end to its versitility... | |||
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" Just on the news that a committee of the HoC has voted to ban the wearing of the Islamic burka in public. About time too, I say, any comments? UUUMMM...I would love to wear a burka...not so great on a hot day maybe....but girls...just think.. No more rummaging in the wardrobe....wondering what to wear... No more "Bad Hair" days.. Problem Skin..??? Who would Know..??? Having a "Fat Day"...who would notice those bulges..or muffin tops...??? Fecking Splendid Idea...and you can pull faces at peeps you are talking to..they will never know.. I WANT ONE.. You could even sit at work with a midget hidden underneath licking away at your pussy.....wants one too Is there no end to its versitility... " Not in my eyes.... | |||
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"The lads who carried out the London bombings never needed to hide their identities to kill all those people. The truth is that the extremists that are the most dangerous to our security are the ones that none of us know, it's not as if Osama Bin Laden is going to walk into central London wearing a burkha having to hide the fact he is a bomb carrying terrorist, but it is very possible that the young boy sitting on the top deck of a number 38 bus driving along Oxford Street in London is carrying an explosive device. All the burkha wearer is doing is bringing attention to herself when entering a high security area, the bomb is more likely to be carried by the 21 year old British born Pakistani wearing the jacket he brought from Matalan." Perhaps it's because we are so tolerant and there is discontent and mistrust on both sides, that Britain is Europes breeding ground for Islamic terrorism. Just wondering how many times this thread with all it's keywords has flashed up on GCHQ's computers today. | |||
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". Bearing that in mind,the banning of it is a small price to pay if it gives just one degree of extra safety and security to the people of this country. Any Muslim who genuinely wants to integrate into our society would surely find it well worth the sacrifice. Speechless!! " Why speechless? Go to Dewsbury market and try to strike up a conversation with a woman wearing a Burka,you'll probably find that its they who will be speechless. Either that or they won't understand a word your saying,even though many will have lived here for several years. Do you call that integration? | |||
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"The lads who carried out the London bombings never needed to hide their identities to kill all those people. The truth is that the extremists that are the most dangerous to our security are the ones that none of us know, it's not as if Osama Bin Laden is going to walk into central London wearing a burkha having to hide the fact he is a bomb carrying terrorist, but it is very possible that the young boy sitting on the top deck of a number 38 bus driving along Oxford Street in London is carrying an explosive device. All the burkha wearer is doing is bringing attention to herself when entering a high security area, the bomb is more likely to be carried by the 21 year old British born Pakistani wearing the jacket he brought from Matalan. Perhaps it's because we are so tolerant and there is discontent and mistrust on both sides, that Britain is Europes breeding ground for Islamic terrorism. Just wondering how many times this thread with all it's keywords has flashed up on GCHQ's computers today. " The chaps at MI5....are all choking on their custard creams as we speak... | |||
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" Just wondering how many times this thread with all it's keywords has flashed up on GCHQ's computers today. The chaps at MI5....are all choking on their custard creams as we speak... " And then choking their turkeys perving all the pics on here | |||
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". Speechless!! Why speechless? Go to Dewsbury market and try to strike up a conversation with a woman wearing a Burka,you'll probably find that its they who will be speechless. Either that or they won't understand a word your saying,even though many will have lived here for several years. Do you call that integration?" So all the Brits that go to live in Spain (hundreds of thousands) learn to speak Spanish? My best friends live on Ibiza, neither of them speak more than a few words of Spanish despite having lived in Ibiza Town since 2003. Call that intergration either? | |||
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" Just wondering how many times this thread with all it's keywords has flashed up on GCHQ's computers today. The chaps at MI5....are all choking on their custard creams as we speak... And then choking their turkeys perving all the pics on here " And I'm sure they could get access to all areas, lol! | |||
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"Hang on just had thought here. Hoodies were banned not too long ago weren't they? At least in places like garage forcourts and shopping malls. Maybe the same could be used for burkas? Probably on the grounds of security, which is understandable because they were often being used to carry out crimes against both persons and property. I think your average muslim woman walking along the streets of Luton wearing a burkha isn't doing so to carry out a 'happy slap' or a street robbery." But how do you when you can't see who is underneath it? | |||
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" Just wondering how many times this thread with all it's keywords has flashed up on GCHQ's computers today. The chaps at MI5....are all choking on their custard creams as we speak... And then choking their turkeys perving all the pics on here And I'm sure they could get access to all areas, lol! " Good Afternoon Mr Bond...where do I get my application form lol | |||
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". Speechless!! Why speechless? Go to Dewsbury market and try to strike up a conversation with a woman wearing a Burka,you'll probably find that its they who will be speechless. Either that or they won't understand a word your saying,even though many will have lived here for several years. Do you call that integration? So all the Brits that go to live in Spain (hundreds of thousands) learn to speak Spanish? My best friends live on Ibiza, neither of them speak more than a few words of Spanish despite having lived in Ibiza Town since 2003. Call that intergration either? " I've lived and worked in Saudi and Spain, learned a little Arabic and little Spanish and tried to integrate and on the whole was welcomed for at least making an attempt. | |||
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" Just wondering how many times this thread with all it's keywords has flashed up on GCHQ's computers today. The chaps at MI5....are all choking on their custard creams as we speak... And then choking their turkeys perving all the pics on here And I'm sure they could get access to all areas, lol! " OOOOhHHH...shite...busted again...Private pics of me binge eating flumps..in my Burka.... | |||
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" Just wondering how many times this thread with all it's keywords has flashed up on GCHQ's computers today. The chaps at MI5....are all choking on their custard creams as we speak... And then choking their turkeys perving all the pics on here And I'm sure they could get access to all areas, lol! Good Afternoon Mr Bond...where do I get my application form lol " Not many jobs goig at GCHQ just now..i checked...lol | |||
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"Last week, I was in Manchester and a lady wearing a burkha crossed the road by where I was working. She did look both ways but was inches from been run down by a car that was not speeding etc. She just didnt see him. So whos fault would it of been if the driver hadnt of swerved and braked to miss her? Steve" I'm not sure I would have swerved OR braked... too hard.. hehehe | |||
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"Because we are a tolerant society, Iran cannot say the same. They are a repressive regime, we are a country that practices votes for all, equality for women, the right to practice your own religion. They are not" And let's face it, you gotta have a bit of a death wish to want to go to Iran or Iraq anyway! | |||
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"Because we are a tolerant society, Iran cannot say the same. They are a repressive regime, we are a country that practices votes for all, equality for women, the right to practice your own religion. They are not And let's face it, you gotta have a bit of a death wish to want to go to Iran or Iraq anyway! " Nearly got to go to Iran with work a few years ago...sadly client pulled out of the business deal they were doing...lol...will go there and have a nosey about one day....will try and stay out of gaol | |||
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"I think this strayed to terrorists rather then what the issue was. If I had a hoodie on or a cap most shopping places wouldn't let me in..........so why is it any different with someone who covers themselves top to bottom." Those old words 'The Management reserve the right to refuse entry'.... but has got me wondering what shopping centres don't allow people to wear a baseball cap? Maybe if we never had all these scallywags and junkies stealing so much we wouldn't have people scared of hoodies. | |||
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"Because we are a tolerant society, Iran cannot say the same. They are a repressive regime, we are a country that practices votes for all, equality for women, the right to practice your own religion. They are not And let's face it, you gotta have a bit of a death wish to want to go to Iran or Iraq anyway! " I would avoid it like the plague | |||
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"I think this strayed to terrorists rather then what the issue was. If I had a hoodie on or a cap most shopping places wouldn't let me in..........so why is it any different with someone who covers themselves top to bottom. Those old words 'The Management reserve the right to refuse entry'.... but has got me wondering what shopping centres don't allow people to wear a baseball cap? Maybe if we never had all these scallywags and junkies stealing so much we wouldn't have people scared of hoodies." Yeah there are a few shops who don't allow caps, mainly as they can't see a face on a camera if they had to trace them. Then I suppose the same logic would apply to burkhas. | |||
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"I think this strayed to terrorists rather then what the issue was. If I had a hoodie on or a cap most shopping places wouldn't let me in..........so why is it any different with someone who covers themselves top to bottom. Those old words 'The Management reserve the right to refuse entry'.... but has got me wondering what shopping centres don't allow people to wear a baseball cap? Maybe if we never had all these scallywags and junkies stealing so much we wouldn't have people scared of hoodies." Exactly, just proves that everyones has their fair share of arseholes. My Muslim mate was beaten to near death with a cricket bat and size tens by a group of young white adult scum. You'd think he'd be resentful, but he recognises it for what it was. | |||
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"I think this strayed to terrorists rather then what the issue was. If I had a hoodie on or a cap most shopping places wouldn't let me in..........so why is it any different with someone who covers themselves top to bottom. Those old words 'The Management reserve the right to refuse entry'.... but has got me wondering what shopping centres don't allow people to wear a baseball cap? Maybe if we never had all these scallywags and junkies stealing so much we wouldn't have people scared of hoodies. Exactly, just proves that everyones has their fair share of arseholes. My Muslim mate was beaten to near death with a cricket bat and size tens by a group of young white adult scum. You'd think he'd be resentful, but he recognises it for what it was." Btw, he was nine years old when this happened | |||
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"With regard to integration, complying with local laws etc... If I go to Saudi Arabia...I know not to drink, or show too much amorous affection in public If I go to Israel...I know that at certain places I'll have to cover my head, wear long trousers etc And the list could go on. In UK there are no laws (that I am aware of) that say that people are not allowed to practice their religions, or to wear national/local dress to them. We are, last time I looked, a multi cultural society, and regardless of what we may think as individuals think, we have thrown open the doors to welcome anyone of any race, colour, religious persuasion etc. Again, regardless of individual opinion, we did sign up to the European Convention Of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, and we did incorporate this into UK law in the late 90's. We also introduced equality (both sexual and racial) legislation, and I am not sure there are many here that would suggest this legislation was wrong? Why then, should we discriminate against those muslims who wish to wear their burka in public any more than we should legislate to discriminate against fat blokes walking about in the summer displaying their beer bellies? Burka wearing women are about as likely to be sat in the high street with TNT strapped to them as a garden gnome is likely to be hiding a bomb down at the local garden centre." Well done Stu....you have managed to put into one post what I have struggled to put in twenty on the subject. | |||
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"With regard to integration, complying with local laws etc... If I go to Saudi Arabia...I know not to drink, or show too much amorous affection in public If I go to Israel...I know that at certain places I'll have to cover my head, wear long trousers etc And the list could go on. In UK there are no laws (that I am aware of) that say that people are not allowed to practice their religions, or to wear national/local dress to them. We are, last time I looked, a multi cultural society, and regardless of what we may think as individuals think, we have thrown open the doors to welcome anyone of any race, colour, religious persuasion etc. Again, regardless of individual opinion, we did sign up to the European Convention Of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, and we did incorporate this into UK law in the late 90's. We also introduced equality (both sexual and racial) legislation, and I am not sure there are many here that would suggest this legislation was wrong? Why then, should we discriminate against those muslims who wish to wear their burka in public any more than we should legislate to discriminate against fat blokes walking about in the summer displaying their beer bellies? Burka wearing women are about as likely to be sat in the high street with TNT strapped to them as a garden gnome is likely to be hiding a bomb down at the local garden centre." While I agree with most of your post and a very good post it is too......but I don't think anyone suggested that a woman wearing a burkha would have a hidden bomb. Now while I would also agree that there are no laws passed on what clothes we can all wear, but in certain areas people cannot wear clothes that would hide their faces for various reasons, so I think that should apply to everyone. | |||
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"Western governments have to tread very carefully on the issue of banning burkhas as even though there are hundreds of legitimate reasons for banning them, the Muslims can always cite religious intolerance to oppose such a ban, and that's where the govt are on a sticky wicket. The only way we can impose such a ban is to become a hard line Christian state and demand that any such paraphenalia is contradictory to Christian Law and is hence not permitted - but we all know that this will never happen. My own personal views on the Muslim -v- Christian debate is that eventually it will come to a head - we're human and, like we've always done in the past when there is a deep dividing issue, we'll end fighting for it. I honestly believe that at some point in mankind's future there will be a Religious War encompassing the entire planet. Our inability to live in harmony despite our obvious differences has always provided the reason for men to wage war." As these aren't religious garments, I guess the issue of this thread is, should they be banned in the same way you can't walk into a bank wearing a balaclava, or a crash helmet. Or my son can't go into a shopping center in a hoodie, or a baseball cap. Isn't it all about equality????? | |||
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". Speechless!! Why speechless? Go to Dewsbury market and try to strike up a conversation with a woman wearing a Burka,you'll probably find that its they who will be speechless. Either that or they won't understand a word your saying,even though many will have lived here for several years. Do you call that integration? So all the Brits that go to live in Spain (hundreds of thousands) learn to speak Spanish? My best friends live on Ibiza, neither of them speak more than a few words of Spanish despite having lived in Ibiza Town since 2003. Call that intergration either? " No I don't. However,I do know that if we were going to live in a non English speaking country,European or otherwise,we'd learn the language before we went for the benefit of ourselves and the locals. Thats what true integration is all about,benefiting each other. | |||
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"Funny, when I heard the news and started this thread I did not for one minute think of terrorism or integration into this country. I know full well that the best way to infiltrate any place is to blend in. I also know that those who choose to wear the burka have no intention in integrating. Now this may sound callus but I have no problem with this, if someone comes to live in OUR country and then chooses to set up a racial or national ghetto that is up to them and they can get on with it, PROVIDED they accept that they have to obey our laws and either learn our language or they loose their right to access OUR social security system, and that includes the NHS, or they should have to provide and pay for their own interpreters if they want to access services. My personal belief is that everyone should be equal under the law and that nobody should feel that they have a right to be treated any differently to the rest of us on the grounds of race, nationality, religion or economic status. There is no such thing as positive discrimination; there is only discrimination in my view! I am fed up of the widening 2 tier Britton that is being set up in this country that always favours the minority. Maybe I am stupid, but I think we are all being right royally screwed in the name of political correctness, and multi-culturisum. The reason that this country has had such a good reputation all over the world is because everyone was equal in the eyes of the law, this is no longer the case and we need to put this right. Or at least that is my belief. " Well said. | |||
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"Can't see why any one would want to ban a particular piece of clothing - if these women want to wear them then let them, I would imagine that some want to wear it and some are forced to but it's still nothing to do with Government - what ever next? A ban on dungarees? Z" oh come on eileen!!!! | |||
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" Just on the news that a committee of the HoC has voted to ban the wearing of the Islamic burka in public. About time too, I say, any comments? UUUMMM...I would love to wear a burka...not so great on a hot day maybe....but girls...just think.. No more rummaging in the wardrobe....wondering what to wear... No more "Bad Hair" days.. Problem Skin..??? Who would Know..??? Having a "Fat Day"...who would notice those bulges..or muffin tops...??? Fecking Splendid Idea...and you can pull faces at peeps you are talking to..they will never know.. I WANT ONE.." me too!! imagine how quick a que would move if you were standing there in the burkha with a backpack and your i pod ear phone cables dangling lol!!! i dont really care who wears what its there choice to me its no worse than a size 24 girl in wet look leggings! obviously for security there needs to be somethin in place where the veil whatever can be removed its sad but its a sign of the time that we need to be security concious xx | |||
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" Again I agree, but wasn't there a terrorist (the one that got caught in Rome I think) who escaped and flew out of Britain dressed in a Burka? The newspapers did report that, but not so sure if that was confirmed by the security agencies....trouble is we have the press printing all sorts of crap just to get headlines." Says more about processes and systems than anything else. During exam periods at work we always have a female member of staff available to check the id of students wearing a veil after they have signed into the exam. To date we have not come across someone trying to pull a fast one by substituting people. | |||
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"I think if everyone was honest and saw these Muslim women uncovered we'd be forming a queue a mile long down at Whitehall pressing a law for them to be covered up again. They've all got moustaches just like their husbands you know! " Didn't I mention...problem skin...well said that man...add..troublesome stubburn...facial hair....think of the money we can save girls on immac and make up... Maybe we should campaign for the compulsory wearing of burkas...for all mingers...male,and female....what ever their religion...its a human rights issue...these mingers are an eyesore..just my 2p | |||
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"b an it ban it ban it if they dont want to adhere to british law then send them back to thier country of origin after all when we visit other countries we do respect thier laws etc we dont try and get it changed do we ?" So exactly what law are they breaking? This is way too easy, like shooting fish in a barrel..... | |||
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"I think if everyone was honest and saw these Muslim women uncovered we'd be forming a queue a mile long down at Whitehall pressing a law for them to be covered up again. They've all got moustaches just like their husbands you know! Didn't I mention...problem skin...well said that man...add..troublesome stubburn...facial hair....think of the money we can save girls on immac and make up... Maybe we should campaign for the compulsory wearing of burkas...for all mingers...male,and female....what ever their religion...its a human rights issue...these mingers are an eyesore..just my 2p " I couldn't agree more but why stop there, let's sterilise the ugly twats so they can't reproduce either! hehehe | |||
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"What about the turbans that Sikh's wear, or Rastas colourful hats, or the Yarmulkes some Jews wear? Where would this end? Z" At it's logical conclusion - anyone with hair will be banned. We'll all be forced to shave our heads and go around bald. Sommat sexy about a woman with a shaven head - sort of prison-issue like. I like that thought. | |||
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"its no more offence to me than wearing stripes with spots," Im sorry but stripes with spots is almost offensive as dungarees | |||
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"its no more offence to me than wearing stripes with spots, Im sorry but stripes with spots is almost offensive as dungarees " now have images of veiled clowns - not good | |||
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"I think if everyone was honest and saw these Muslim women uncovered we'd be forming a queue a mile long down at Whitehall pressing a law for them to be covered up again. They've all got moustaches just like their husbands you know! Didn't I mention...problem skin...well said that man...add..troublesome stubburn...facial hair....think of the money we can save girls on immac and make up... Maybe we should campaign for the compulsory wearing of burkas...for all mingers...male,and female....what ever their religion...its a human rights issue...these mingers are an eyesore..just my 2p I couldn't agree more but why stop there, let's sterilise the ugly twats so they can't reproduce either! hehehe " Wishy...you utter fascist....sterilizing mingers....NO NEED..they will eventually die out....survival of the prettiest.... | |||
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"its no more offence to me than wearing stripes with spots, Im sorry but stripes with spots is almost offensive as dungarees " AAAArrrrrggghhh.....my god thats the ultimate fashion crime....Dont you read the fashion pages of "Take a Break"... | |||
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"I think if everyone was honest and saw these Muslim women uncovered we'd be forming a queue a mile long down at Whitehall pressing a law for them to be covered up again. They've all got moustaches just like their husbands you know! Didn't I mention...problem skin...well said that man...add..troublesome stubburn...facial hair....think of the money we can save girls on immac and make up... Maybe we should campaign for the compulsory wearing of burkas...for all mingers...male,and female....what ever their religion...its a human rights issue...these mingers are an eyesore..just my 2p I couldn't agree more but why stop there, let's sterilise the ugly twats so they can't reproduce either! hehehe Wishy...you utter fascist....sterilizing mingers....NO NEED..they will eventually die out....survival of the prettiest.... " so what's wrong with giving nature a helping hand to speed up the process then huh huh huh? | |||
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"I think if everyone was honest and saw these Muslim women uncovered we'd be forming a queue a mile long down at Whitehall pressing a law for them to be covered up again. They've all got moustaches just like their husbands you know! Didn't I mention...problem skin...well said that man...add..troublesome stubburn...facial hair....think of the money we can save girls on immac and make up... Maybe we should campaign for the compulsory wearing of burkas...for all mingers...male,and female....what ever their religion...its a human rights issue...these mingers are an eyesore..just my 2p I couldn't agree more but why stop there, let's sterilise the ugly twats so they can't reproduce either! hehehe Wishy...you utter fascist....sterilizing mingers....NO NEED..they will eventually die out....survival of the prettiest.... so what's wrong with giving nature a helping hand to speed up the process then huh huh huh? " AAAggghh...you are such a MAN...flounces off to the biscuit tin in frustration...shaking head... | |||
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"just realised what needs to be done - everyone has to wear grey overalls - have shaved heads - no adornment allowed AT ALL - no free will or 'ideas' - no religion is to be followed - erm - any one see any flaws yet? Z" Sounds ideal. Not too sure about the no adornment rule though as I like my leather scrotum strap!! Siren does too as it makes my balls slap hard against her labias when I'm shagging her from behind!! Sod your plan, we ain't giving that up!!! | |||
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"just realised what needs to be done - everyone has to wear grey overalls - have shaved heads - no adornment allowed AT ALL - no free will or 'ideas' - no religion is to be followed - erm - any one see any flaws yet? Z" Used to it...it sounds like where I work..... | |||
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"just realised what needs to be done - everyone has to wear grey overalls - have shaved heads - no adornment allowed AT ALL - no free will or 'ideas' - no religion is to be followed - erm - any one see any flaws yet? Z Sounds ideal. Not too sure about the no adornment rule though as I like my leather scrotum strap!! Siren does too as it makes my balls slap hard against her labias when I'm shagging her from behind!! Sod your plan, we ain't giving that up!!! " Well - if it's hidden then you'd be fine! Z | |||
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"just realised what needs to be done - everyone has to wear grey overalls - have shaved heads - no adornment allowed AT ALL - no free will or 'ideas' - no religion is to be followed - erm - any one see any flaws yet? Z Sounds ideal. Not too sure about the no adornment rule though as I like my leather scrotum strap!! Siren does too as it makes my balls slap hard against her labias when I'm shagging her from behind!! Sod your plan, we ain't giving that up!!! Well - if it's hidden then you'd be fine! Z" But these new body scanners will see it! I'm fucked ain't I? There's something horny about going through officialdom and when they ask, "Are you carrying any concealed items?" you think, "Ah, if only you knew!" | |||
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"Sorry to drag this one up again, but I still haven't had a satisfactory reply to the question of WHY people want this item of clothing to be banned. If you think it should be banned, i am really interested to hear the reasons why. Thank you in advance. Z" I think it should be banned for a number of reasons: 1) It is against the culture of their adopting country (The UK) to disguise facial features in conversation. 2) It is discriminatory against me because I cannot enter a petrol station, bank or post office with my face hidden. 3) It is alien to the concept of integration into our society because by its very nature it is divisive. 4) In the current security climate where the terror threat is very real and comes from the Muslim race it is against all basic security precautions to allow vast numbers of people to be unidentifiable in public to the point that the person under the gear could be male or female. Those are the reasons why I think it should be banned. | |||
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"In my view it’s a matter of equality under the law" Does it really matter? in all honesty, does it? Why can't people just live and let live? | |||
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"there are some people who should be forced to wear one for the sake of the rest of us!! xx " Sounds a bit of a sn*bby statement to me | |||
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"OK - so in your case it's purely for security reasons? Z" I am sure I have already answered this but here I go again. No this is not about security, it is not about intolerance. It is purely and simply about equality under the law. I do not believe that ANYONE should be treated as “special cases” because of race or religion! You live in Bolton, you may want to check out how much it has cost you so that a sheik (who did not have to be riot trained) gets to do the training but does not have to wear a riot helmet that everyone else does have to wear! Just to help you, there was the race/religious discrimination hearing The compensation awarded to the little shit The cost of a special health and safety assessment for him The extra insurance costs to cover him if injured All paid for by us so he can play hard man in a turban! Of course I am sure that you are totally happy that if you choose to ride without a helmet you commit an offence, but not a sheik! At what point do we the majority say if you want to live here abide by our laws! BTW I believe the cost to GMP has been around £2.5million+ the ongoing costs. That’s about £10 per household in Greater Manchester so far or how many police officers on the beat? I would respectfully suggest that we all need to grow a collective backbone and tell all these “special interest groups” that everyone has to be equally subject to the same laws. | |||
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"4) In the current security climate where the terror threat is very real and comes from the Muslim race it is against all basic security precautions to allow vast numbers of people to be unidentifiable in public to the point that the person under the gear could be male or female. Those are the reasons why I think it should be banned." Dont think you can use the security issue as a reason. The IRA carried out a succesful bombing campaign in England most probably without wearing there trade mark Balaclava's.... | |||
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"4) In the current security climate where the terror threat is very real and comes from the Muslim race it is against all basic security precautions to allow vast numbers of people to be unidentifiable in public to the point that the person under the gear could be male or female. Those are the reasons why I think it should be banned. Dont think you can use the security issue as a reason. The IRA carried out a succesful bombing campaign in England most probably without wearing there trade mark Balaclava's...." In those days we did not have the same surveillance sophistication that we have today. You can be identified and arrested in any town centre in the UK for the most trivial of offences - unless you are a Burka wearing Muslim. | |||
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"4) In the current security climate where the terror threat is very real and comes from the Muslim race it is against all basic security precautions to allow vast numbers of people to be unidentifiable in public to the point that the person under the gear could be male or female. Those are the reasons why I think it should be banned. Dont think you can use the security issue as a reason. The IRA carried out a succesful bombing campaign in England most probably without wearing there trade mark Balaclava's...." I agree with you, there is only one watertight reason to control the wearing of the burka in public, and that is that EVERYONE regardless of race or religion must be equally subject to the law, and that race or religion should not be acceptable defences for any actions! | |||
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"there are some people who should be forced to wear one for the sake of the rest of us!! xx Sounds a bit of a sn*bby statement to me " nah not snobby just prejudice against ugly people!! xx | |||
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"All this they should'nt wear the Burka comes from the hysteria of 9/11 & our own London bombings.... How many ppl were shouting the odds about face coverings before this all happened?" Well they are a pretty good couple of reasons to change anyone's mind. | |||
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"All this they should'nt wear the Burka comes from the hysteria of 9/11 & our own London bombings.... How many ppl were shouting the odds about face coverings before this all happened?" Not in my case. It comes from a growing anger over years as I see minorities use our equality laws to twist everything that used to make this country such a wonderful place. Why can a Muslim walk down a road dressed from head to foot in a shapeless garment that hides all their features without being stopped by the police and forced to revile their faces. While if anyone else did the same they would be subject to an immediate stop and search, and I believe in most cases arrest under the public order act or the PACE until their identities had been confirmed. As for people shouting the odds over face covering and other acts of positive discrimination, it’s been going on for years only we used to be shouted down as racists. | |||
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"All this they should'nt wear the Burka comes from the hysteria of 9/11 & our own London bombings.... How many ppl were shouting the odds about face coverings before this all happened? Not in my case. It comes from a growing anger over years as I see minorities use our equality laws to twist everything that used to make this country such a wonderful place. Why can a Muslim walk down a road dressed from head to foot in a shapeless garment that hides all their features without being stopped by the police and forced to revile their faces. While if anyone else did the same they would be subject to an immediate stop and search, and I believe in most cases arrest under the public order act or the PACE until their identities had been confirmed. As for people shouting the odds over face covering and other acts of positive discrimination, it’s been going on for years only we used to be shouted down as racists. " Well you could walk down the road in a full gown yourself with your face covered.....give it a try, the police would have no idea you are a non feckin' Muslim.....and a bloke dressed in womens clothing! | |||
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"What about if I walk down the street with a balaclava on.......I am guessing that would attract a few police and I would be told to take it off. " Walk into a bank and I'll lay money that they won't serve you .. | |||
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"Will try it then and see. The 5 lads who got stopped in the street with hoodies on by the police, were all told to take them down as they wanted to chat to them, so I am assuming a balaclava would be asked to be removed. I wonder if I refused or those lads had refused, what would have happened. Probably be removed to the station to be positively identified then maybe a charge of 'Obstucting a police officer in the course of his duty' ?" Exactly Redhot..and no doubt even the people who are all for PC would secretly know the answer too. | |||
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"Will try it then and see. The 5 lads who got stopped in the street with hoodies on by the police, were all told to take them down as they wanted to chat to them, so I am assuming a balaclava would be asked to be removed. I wonder if I refused or those lads had refused, what would have happened. Probably be removed to the station to be positively identified then maybe a charge of 'Obstucting a police officer in the course of his duty' ? Exactly Redhot..and no doubt even the people who are all for PC would secretly know the answer too." Of course they can see it but they choose not to admit the fact in an effort to further reinforce their PC stance. When in Rome .... | |||
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" Of course they can see it but they choose not to admit the fact in an effort to further reinforce their PC stance. When in Rome .... " Nothing to do with being PC, everything to do with having opinions of our own. | |||
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"And have the same treatment for everyone? " Yes, but we as a society were the ones that banned hoodies, not Muslims. There are many things that are unfair and unequal, like pensioners that have worked their whole lives and can't afford to feed and heat themselves, and so and so on.... Hoddies, burkhas, etc, it's a distraction from the real issues and what we are really talking about is FEAR! Why don't we have more Police instead, why don't we give the security service unlimited budgets - because we want things like an NHS and so, we don't have a bottomless pit of money and we don't want to pay more in out taxes. | |||
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"Exactly 'Dand' - fair play, which means if we have to wear crash helmets, so do Seikhs, if we have to uncover our faces whilst in certain establishments, so should everyone else - regardless of religion. I'm all for fair play .." I agree, but thn surely you should prtest about too much regulation. And I understand why you should uncover in certain establishments. But are we just saying, "it's not fair", sounds it little like my teenage son. And you're right it's not, but in the grand scheme of things does it really matter that much??? | |||
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"And have the same treatment for everyone? Yes, but we as a society were the ones that banned hoodies, not Muslims. There are many things that are unfair and unequal, like pensioners that have worked their whole lives and can't afford to feed and heat themselves, and so and so on.... Hoddies, burkhas, etc, it's a distraction from the real issues and what we are really talking about is FEAR! Why don't we have more Police instead, why don't we give the security service unlimited budgets - because we want things like an NHS and so, we don't have a bottomless pit of money and we don't want to pay more in out taxes." The reason why shops and the like banned hats etc is because they want to see peoples faces on CCTV if they need to, for whatever reason. It has nothing to do with fear for the ordinary person in the street. I didn't fear the woman ( or man because you couldn't tell who was under it) last week who stood behind me in a shop with the burkha on, but I would have been really pissed off if I had had a hat /hoodie or balaclava on and they had thrown me out because of it and she had been allowed to stay and be served. Making it out to be something else has happened all along this thread, but that just makes people be loath to say what they really want to.....which is, why should there be one rule for one and one for another. | |||
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"Exactly 'Dand' - fair play, which means if we have to wear crash helmets, so do Seikhs, if we have to uncover our faces whilst in certain establishments, so should everyone else - regardless of religion. I'm all for fair play .. I agree, but thn surely you should prtest about too much regulation. And I understand why you should uncover in certain establishments. But are we just saying, "it's not fair", sounds it little like my teenage son. And you're right it's not, but in the grand scheme of things does it really matter that much???" Sorry, I realise I've come full circle from earlier posts, before anyone quotes me. Dag nam it Jane, you've turned me lol. | |||
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"And have the same treatment for everyone? " As a matter of interest you cannot enter many UK establishments wearing any kind of veil, you can no longer enter Passport Control wearing one....you cannot enter a Crown Court or High Court wearing one...you cannot enter any UK military establishment wearing one....you cannot enter any Metroplitan Police Staion wearing one..... You cannot wear a veil whilst teaching in a UK mainstream school anymore....you cannot wear a veil on a hospital ward in England or Wales anymore if you are employed by the hospital. and as for banks and building societies, they reserve the right to refuse entry to whoever they please in the UK. | |||
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"And have the same treatment for everyone? Yes, but we as a society were the ones that banned hoodies, not Muslims. There are many things that are unfair and unequal, like pensioners that have worked their whole lives and can't afford to feed and heat themselves, and so and so on.... Hoddies, burkhas, etc, it's a distraction from the real issues and what we are really talking about is FEAR! Why don't we have more Police instead, why don't we give the security service unlimited budgets - because we want things like an NHS and so, we don't have a bottomless pit of money and we don't want to pay more in out taxes. The reason why shops and the like banned hats etc is because they want to see peoples faces on CCTV if they need to, for whatever reason. It has nothing to do with fear for the ordinary person in the street. I didn't fear the woman ( or man because you couldn't tell who was under it) last week who stood behind me in a shop with the burkha on, but I would have been really pissed off if I had had a hat /hoodie or balaclava on and they had thrown me out because of it and she had been allowed to stay and be served. Making it out to be something else has happened all along this thread, but that just makes people be loath to say what they really want to.....which is, why should there be one rule for one and one for another." I agree with you, it's not fair. But that no reason to penalise another person. Where do you stop???? | |||
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"When it gets the same treatment for everyone for EVERY situation, then we will be able to say that everyone is getting the same treatment. " Ask any 18 year old British born black lad in South London if he is getting the same treatment as an 18 year old British born white lad when he gets stopped by the police night after night for walking the streets after dark.... Or the hundreds of British born Indians who were turned away from boarding flights to the US and Canada during the two years after 9/11..... They don't feel any less let down or any less that they are being treated differently. Like most things in life, it works both ways. | |||
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"When it gets the same treatment for everyone for EVERY situation, then we will be able to say that everyone is getting the same treatment. " Oh come on!!!! ...You're talking about the perfect world - it doesn't exist and never will. We can't even agree and I'm sure you get things others don't, or get treated better in certain circles? | |||
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"When it gets the same treatment for everyone for EVERY situation, then we will be able to say that everyone is getting the same treatment. Oh come on!!!! ...You're talking about the perfect world - it doesn't exist and never will. We can't even agree and I'm sure you get things others don't, or get treated better in certain circles?" The equal treatment applied to being able to shop the same way/ use facilities the same way. | |||
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"I think we are to liberal in this country and try and please everyone for fear of reprisals. We certainly wouldnt get the same treatment abroad because we are british. In fact , sometimes its because we are british that we get an unfair deal. If we chose to live in a muslim country would be given license to build our churches and wear short skirts and boob tubes etc. No we wouldnt. We would have to abide by the laws of the land. ANd thats how it should be here. Regardless of culture. Treat every one the same irispective of religion " When I lived and worked in Saudi I was treated better because I was British, over and above the locals. And I'm not so sure we are that liberal. And they do have Christain, Anglican and Catholic churches out there and a lot of Arabs that are Christain. And apart from the "MAD" secular countries out there, they are more tolerant than we are sometimes. | |||
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"Women who wear the burqa are clearly telling us something. Does anyone have any ideas as to what they are saying to us?" That because of their husbands..we have no right to look at them. Nowt to do with religion. | |||
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"Women who wear the burqa are clearly telling us something. Does anyone have any ideas as to what they are saying to us?" Yup. They're saying, "I'm happy to wear this garment and if I'm happy wearing it why can't you?" | |||
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"Women who wear the burqa are clearly telling us something. Does anyone have any ideas as to what they are saying to us? Yup. They're saying, "I'm happy to wear this garment and if I'm happy wearing it why can't you?"" Yes, what happened to womens rights to choose for themselves. Next some right wing Christain movement will be banning high heels, because it leads to lewd behaviour and corrupts our youngsters, ...actually, maybe they've got a point, lol. | |||
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"Women who wear the burqa are clearly telling us something. Does anyone have any ideas as to what they are saying to us? Yup. They're saying, "I'm happy to wear this garment and if I'm happy wearing it why can't you?" Yes, what happened to womens rights to choose for themselves. Next some right wing Christain movement will be banning high heels, because it leads to lewd behaviour and corrupts our youngsters, ...actually, maybe they've got a point, lol. " Well i knows victoria beckham gonna be crippled with arthritus when she older. lmao Have to seen them shoes | |||
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"Lets be serious here for a minute, experience tells us that on multiple occasions in the past people have walked into banks, post offices and building societies and robbed them whilst wearing masks/balaclavas/hoods. Same goes for lads in hoodies mugging thousands of people on our streets in the past. This is a common fact. What, as far as I know at least, is not a known occurance is a Muslim woman walking into any financial institution in the UK and robbing it at gunpoint whilst wearing a burkha. If you can show me any evidence that this is a common occurance, or has ever happened once....then I will see your point. It's not a case of other members being 'pc' more that they see the obvious here. What is obvious is this....that when the indigenous people of a country have to live by a set code or laws and aliens to that country do not....you WILL get animosity leading to division leading to racism,even from people who hitherto didn't have a racist bone in their bodies. Permitting immigrants,especially muslims in the present climate,to be exempt from laws that the rest of us have to abide by is the fast track to racial intolerance. And thats the bottom line. Who's the indiginous race here, my blood is Celtic, does that give me more rights?" I'm also a Celt but we're British Celts aren't we? | |||
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"Women who wear the burqa are clearly telling us something. Does anyone have any ideas as to what they are saying to us?" They're ugly fuckers and are trying not to scare the shit out of us ??? | |||
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"Lets be serious here for a minute, experience tells us that on multiple occasions in the past people have walked into banks, post offices and building societies and robbed them whilst wearing masks/balaclavas/hoods. Same goes for lads in hoodies mugging thousands of people on our streets in the past. This is a common fact. What, as far as I know at least, is not a known occurance is a Muslim woman walking into any financial institution in the UK and robbing it at gunpoint whilst wearing a burkha. If you can show me any evidence that this is a common occurance, or has ever happened once....then I will see your point. It's not a case of other members being 'pc' more that they see the obvious here. What is obvious is this....that when the indigenous people of a country have to live by a set code or laws and aliens to that country do not....you WILL get animosity leading to division leading to racism,even from people who hitherto didn't have a racist bone in their bodies. Permitting immigrants,especially muslims in the present climate,to be exempt from laws that the rest of us have to abide by is the fast track to racial intolerance. And thats the bottom line. Who's the indiginous race here, my blood is Celtic, does that give me more rights? I'm also a Celt but we're British Celts aren't we? " Are we, or are French, gawd forbid???? | |||
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"Lets be serious here for a minute, experience tells us that on multiple occasions in the past people have walked into banks, post offices and building societies and robbed them whilst wearing masks/balaclavas/hoods. Same goes for lads in hoodies mugging thousands of people on our streets in the past. This is a common fact. What, as far as I know at least, is not a known occurance is a Muslim woman walking into any financial institution in the UK and robbing it at gunpoint whilst wearing a burkha. If you can show me any evidence that this is a common occurance, or has ever happened once....then I will see your point. It's not a case of other members being 'pc' more that they see the obvious here. What is obvious is this....that when the indigenous people of a country have to live by a set code or laws and aliens to that country do not....you WILL get animosity leading to division leading to racism,even from people who hitherto didn't have a racist bone in their bodies. Permitting immigrants,especially muslims in the present climate,to be exempt from laws that the rest of us have to abide by is the fast track to racial intolerance. And thats the bottom line. Who's the indiginous race here, my blood is Celtic, does that give me more rights? I'm also a Celt but we're British Celts aren't we? Are we, or are French, gawd forbid???? " My point being, the British are a real melting pot of races, including Arabic. | |||
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"Women who wear the burqa are clearly telling us something. Does anyone have any ideas as to what they are saying to us? They're ugly fuckers and are trying not to scare the shit out of us ???" More likely....."This bloody outfit does my head in but my insecure old man won't let me wear owt else!" | |||
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"Lets be serious here for a minute, experience tells us that on multiple occasions in the past people have walked into banks, post offices and building societies and robbed them whilst wearing masks/balaclavas/hoods. Same goes for lads in hoodies mugging thousands of people on our streets in the past. This is a common fact. What, as far as I know at least, is not a known occurance is a Muslim woman walking into any financial institution in the UK and robbing it at gunpoint whilst wearing a burkha. If you can show me any evidence that this is a common occurance, or has ever happened once....then I will see your point. It's not a case of other members being 'pc' more that they see the obvious here. What is obvious is this....that when the indigenous people of a country have to live by a set code or laws and aliens to that country do not....you WILL get animosity leading to division leading to racism,even from people who hitherto didn't have a racist bone in their bodies. Permitting immigrants,especially muslims in the present climate,to be exempt from laws that the rest of us have to abide by is the fast track to racial intolerance. And thats the bottom line. Who's the indiginous race here, my blood is Celtic, does that give me more rights? I'm also a Celt but we're British Celts aren't we? " Sorry, can't resist this! No such thing as a 'Celt'. The word was introduced by a Welsh 'historian/political activist' in the mid C18th because of his terrible scholarship. Edward Llyudd took the term 'Keltoi' from the Classical Greek and thought it referred to the peoples of NW Europe - in fact it was a sneering term used by the city state dwellers to refer to the primitive inland dwellers of mainland Greece, basically it meant 'barbarian'. Neither Caesar, his generals or the writer Tacitus ever used the word 'Celt' in their writings about Britannia. In fact the only common word they used was Britonculli, which roughly translates as horrible little Briton! We use the term now because we don't know what term - if any - the native people used. They certainly didn't use bronze age Greek terms though. | |||
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"Lets be serious here for a minute, experience tells us that on multiple occasions in the past people have walked into banks, post offices and building societies and robbed them whilst wearing masks/balaclavas/hoods. Same goes for lads in hoodies mugging thousands of people on our streets in the past. This is a common fact. What, as far as I know at least, is not a known occurance is a Muslim woman walking into any financial institution in the UK and robbing it at gunpoint whilst wearing a burkha. If you can show me any evidence that this is a common occurance, or has ever happened once....then I will see your point. It's not a case of other members being 'pc' more that they see the obvious here. What is obvious is this....that when the indigenous people of a country have to live by a set code or laws and aliens to that country do not....you WILL get animosity leading to division leading to racism,even from people who hitherto didn't have a racist bone in their bodies. Permitting immigrants,especially muslims in the present climate,to be exempt from laws that the rest of us have to abide by is the fast track to racial intolerance. And thats the bottom line. Who's the indiginous race here, my blood is Celtic, does that give me more rights? I'm also a Celt but we're British Celts aren't we? Sorry, can't resist this! No such thing as a 'Celt'. The word was introduced by a Welsh 'historian/political activist' in the mid C18th because of his terrible scholarship. Edward Llyudd took the term 'Keltoi' from the Classical Greek and thought it referred to the peoples of NW Europe - in fact it was a sneering term used by the city state dwellers to refer to the primitive inland dwellers of mainland Greece, basically it meant 'barbarian'. Neither Caesar, his generals or the writer Tacitus ever used the word 'Celt' in their writings about Britannia. In fact the only common word they used was Britonculli, which roughly translates as horrible little Briton! We use the term now because we don't know what term - if any - the native people used. They certainly didn't use bronze age Greek terms though." Well we live and learn. Everyday is a school day. I'll tell that to the Cornish pasties down here | |||
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"Lets be serious here for a minute, experience tells us that on multiple occasions in the past people have walked into banks, post offices and building societies and robbed them whilst wearing masks/balaclavas/hoods. Same goes for lads in hoodies mugging thousands of people on our streets in the past. This is a common fact. What, as far as I know at least, is not a known occurance is a Muslim woman walking into any financial institution in the UK and robbing it at gunpoint whilst wearing a burkha. If you can show me any evidence that this is a common occurance, or has ever happened once....then I will see your point. It's not a case of other members being 'pc' more that they see the obvious here. What is obvious is this....that when the indigenous people of a country have to live by a set code or laws and aliens to that country do not....you WILL get animosity leading to division leading to racism,even from people who hitherto didn't have a racist bone in their bodies. Permitting immigrants,especially muslims in the present climate,to be exempt from laws that the rest of us have to abide by is the fast track to racial intolerance. And thats the bottom line. Who's the indiginous race here, my blood is Celtic, does that give me more rights? I'm also a Celt but we're British Celts aren't we? Sorry, can't resist this! No such thing as a 'Celt'. The word was introduced by a Welsh 'historian/political activist' in the mid C18th because of his terrible scholarship. Edward Llyudd took the term 'Keltoi' from the Classical Greek and thought it referred to the peoples of NW Europe - in fact it was a sneering term used by the city state dwellers to refer to the primitive inland dwellers of mainland Greece, basically it meant 'barbarian'. Neither Caesar, his generals or the writer Tacitus ever used the word 'Celt' in their writings about Britannia. In fact the only common word they used was Britonculli, which roughly translates as horrible little Briton! We use the term now because we don't know what term - if any - the native people used. They certainly didn't use bronze age Greek terms though." "horrible little Briton", I think that's what my dad used to call me, lol. | |||
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" Who's the indiginous race here, my blood is Celtic, does that give me more rights? I'm also a Celt but we're British Celts aren't we? Are we, or are French, gawd forbid???? My point being, the British are a real melting pot of races, including Arabic." I know those living in Brittany consider themselves Celts and that they're pretty bolshi when unpopular new laws or legislation are on the horizon. Its a pity us Brit Celts can't be as spirited as them in that way! | |||
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" Who's the indiginous race here, my blood is Celtic, does that give me more rights? I'm also a Celt but we're British Celts aren't we? Are we, or are French, gawd forbid???? My point being, the British are a real melting pot of races, including Arabic. I know those living in Brittany consider themselves Celts and that they're pretty bolshi when unpopular new laws or legislation are on the horizon. Its a pity us Brit Celts can't be as spirited as them in that way! " From what i remember the peoples of that part of France are originally descended from the Brythonic tribes of Britain rather than the Germanic Frankish tribes that became the French. | |||
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"If your not happy and want tp hide your face wear a crash helmet. I am just waiting for an armed rob job done in them burka things it has to come." LMAO. The funniest thing I ever saw was a woman in Saudi waterskiing just off the beach with the full black robe on, or rather flowing behind in the wind, showing her bikini beneath. | |||
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"If your not happy and want tp hide your face wear a crash helmet. I am just waiting for an armed rob job done in them burka things it has to come." Was thinking just that! How easy...in an area where they're common place....for two guys to walk into a shop/bank,etc, dressed in burkas hold it up then run outside and mingle with the rest. The thought of the police asking them all to lift their veils.........No chance! | |||
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" Who's the indiginous race here, my blood is Celtic, does that give me more rights? I'm also a Celt but we're British Celts aren't we? Are we, or are French, gawd forbid???? My point being, the British are a real melting pot of races, including Arabic. I know those living in Brittany consider themselves Celts and that they're pretty bolshi when unpopular new laws or legislation are on the horizon. Its a pity us Brit Celts can't be as spirited as them in that way! From what i remember the peoples of that part of France are originally descended from the Brythonic tribes of Britain rather than the Germanic Frankish tribes that became the French." Well I'm not old enough to remember that! | |||
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". Speechless!! Why speechless? Go to Dewsbury market and try to strike up a conversation with a woman wearing a Burka,you'll probably find that its they who will be speechless. Either that or they won't understand a word your saying,even though many will have lived here for several years. Do you call that integration? So all the Brits that go to live in Spain (hundreds of thousands) learn to speak Spanish? My best friends live on Ibiza, neither of them speak more than a few words of Spanish despite having lived in Ibiza Town since 2003. Call that intergration either? " What has that to do with this post??? None of the posters are in Spain and what Spain and the Spanish do is up to them! We are in the UK and WE should have a say in what happens HERE!!! In this country we have always had a tradition of open communication and if someone comes to live here, they should fit in with us, not us fit in with them! There is so much PC crap spouted on posts like this that I wonder why we don't just cave in and let everyone else rule us! Immigrants have brought a lot to this country, but I don't want to see our traditions eroded just because it may offend someone who had decided to come here for a better life. If we allow that to happen, the UK will be no better than many middle eastern countries that these people have left! | |||
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". Speechless!! Why speechless? Go to Dewsbury market and try to strike up a conversation with a woman wearing a Burka,you'll probably find that its they who will be speechless. Either that or they won't understand a word your saying,even though many will have lived here for several years. Do you call that integration? So all the Brits that go to live in Spain (hundreds of thousands) learn to speak Spanish? My best friends live on Ibiza, neither of them speak more than a few words of Spanish despite having lived in Ibiza Town since 2003. Call that intergration either? What has that to do with this post??? None of the posters are in Spain and what Spain and the Spanish do is up to them! We are in the UK and WE should have a say in what happens HERE!!! In this country we have always had a tradition of open communication and if someone comes to live here, they should fit in with us, not us fit in with them! There is so much PC crap spouted on posts like this that I wonder why we don't just cave in and let everyone else rule us! Immigrants have brought a lot to this country, but I don't want to see our traditions eroded just because it may offend someone who had decided to come here for a better life. If we allow that to happen, the UK will be no better than many middle eastern countries that these people have left!" So you can't see a similarity between Foreigners settling in the UK and not speaking any or little English and British people moving to Spain and speaking little or no Spanish? It's EXACTLY the same thing, but one rule for foreigners and one for the often hypocritical Brits? | |||
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"i'm a motorcylist, and i've been refused service in petrol stations across the country because i hadn't removed my crash helmet, yet on quiet a few times there have been women wearing burkhas who had been served without and request for them to remove them and show their face to the cctv in use, which is the excuse i've been give for the reason for my removal of the crash helmet, now i will add that the type of helmet i wear is of the flip front type which exposes the full features of my face without the need to remove it, and this is always raised when i enter the paypoint, on three different accations now i've offered my payment and had it refused by the cashier, and having offered three times to make my payment and been refused i've gone and sat out on the forecourt out of site of the cctv and awaited the arrival of the police, twice the police have stood with me after examining my identity and seeing my face in the same manor as i had presented it to the cashier and still the cashier has refused payment, at which point the office ( a motorcyle cop) asked may he make payment on my behalf and got asked to remove his helmet also, at which point the officer pointed out he would be out of uniform if he removed it, but still the cashier refused payment, after taking statements from both myself and oters there at the time the officer has said that i may leave without paying as i'd made every reasonable attempt to make the payment and that it was the cashier who was being unreasonable and should he want to get his money he would have to take it through the court of the land, and he said i doubt after hearing the evidence of myself and the wittness's hany court would uphold a theft claim. so i for one don't hold with people saying that the burkah should be removed but i do hold with that all who wear any head gear of any kind be treated equally " You made all that fuss and wasted police time rather than take off your crash helmet?.... How do you get on when you ride your motorbike to the dentist? What adventures you have... | |||
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" It's EXACTLY the same thing, but one rule for foreigners and one for the often hypocritical Brits? " Yes i agree totally the often hypocritical Brits as you put it often have the rule of no say in this country | |||
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