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Josef Mengele

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Maniac...or insightful forefather of modern genetic medicine?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

or both?

but not a nice man for sure!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definate nutter. His history is more than a little pshycopathic (boiling people to see how high a temperature they could live at is somewhate on the spicey side of dubious research). He didn't do much genetic research as the genome was not realy understood before the 50's (when the structure was discovered).

It is, however, interesting to note that while the rusians picked up a lot of information about rocketry from the captured German teritory and so took a very early lead in the space race, the americans got all of Mengelers medical research and so the american space programme was very safe in comparison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have regulatory bodies for this precise reason. Scientists do have a remarkable ability to separate their work from their moral obligation to conduct research in an humane and just manner. Mengele, freed from such moral fortitude, conducted research that was abhorrent to any sane person's description of what is humane. Although his 'research' has given an insight into things that most scientists would have loved to have known, it cannot be condoned as an act of genius.

His victims certainly didn't think so.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Actually the nazi’s greatest contribution was in high altitude/low temprature medicine.

From:

Medical Experiments of the Holocaust and Nazi Medicine

The experiments were conducted under the supervision of Dr. Sigmund Rascher at Birkenau, Dachau and Auschwitz . Dr. Rascher reported directly to Himmler. Dr. Rascher publicized the results of his freezing experiments at the 1942 medical conference entitled "Medical Problems Arising from Sea and Winter".

The freezing experiments were divided into two parts. First, to establish how long it would take to lower the body temperature to death and second how to best resuscitate the frozen victim.

The two main methods used to freeze the victim were to put the person in a icy vat of water or to put the victim outside naked in sub-zero temperatures.

The icy vat method proved to be the fastest way to drop the body temperature. The selections were made of young healthly Jews or Russians. They were usually stripped naked and prepared for the experiment. A insulated probe which measured the drop in the body temperature was inserted into the rectum. The probe was held in place by a expandable metal ring which was adjusted to open inside the rectum to hold the probe firmly in place. The victim was then placed in the vat of cold water and started to freeze. It was learned that most victims lost consciousness and died when the body temperature dropped to 25 C.

Two Russian men were seen by a prisoner doctor in the cold vat. They were very strong men and had said a comment to the SS doctor performing the experiment. The prisoner doctor was shocked at how long the Russian men could take the cold without loosing consciousness. He asked the directing doctor to take them out of the tank. He did not allow this and increased the temperature slightly to prolong their pain. They died after a long painful stay in the tank.

The second way to freeze a victim was to strap them to a stretcher and place them outside naked. The extreme winters of Auschwitz made a natural place for this experiment.

The resuscitation or warming experiments were just as cruel and painful as the freezing experiments.

Sun Lamp

The victims were placed under sun lamps which were so hot they would burn the skin. One young homosexual victim was repeatedly cooled to unconsciousness then revived with lamps until he was pouring sweat. He died one evening after several test sessions.

Internal Irrigation

The frozen victim would have water heated to a near blistering temperature forcefully irrigated into the stomach, bladder, and intestines. All victims appeared to have died from the treatment.

Hot Bath

The victim was placed in warm water and the temperature was slowly increased. This method proved to be the best. Many victims died do to shock if they were warmed up to quickly.

Warming by Body Heat

Heinrich Himmler sugested to Dr. Rascher that he try to use women to warm the frozen men. He suggested that the victim and a women copulate. This perverted experiment occured with some success. However it was not as successful as the Warm Bath.

Me again,

I believe that no matter how disgusting these experiments were, that the lives lost in gathering this data has saved many thousands of lives since the 40’s and that this should be the real monument to those sacrificed by the nazi monsters in the death camps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thought you was gonna tell us he's dead lol...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe that no matter how disgusting these experiments were, that the lives lost in gathering this data has saved many thousands of lives since the 40’s and that this should be the real monument to those sacrificed by the nazi monsters in the death camps.

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There are some things that mankind just does not need to pervert himself to discover. This kind of information could have been gleaned in due course naturally by studying the effects of extreme cold and heat on people who died naturally from it, or those who were still alive when found. There can be no excuse, however 'honourable' its intentions, for treating a fellow human being in this disgusting manner.

I would be aghast if my life was saved because of information gleaned by the horrendous torture inflicted on another person.

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By *-and-KCouple
over a year ago

Back of Beyond

His hearts were in the right place

Sorry shouldn't make jokes at the expense of the many who lost their lives to him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"His hearts were in the right place

Sorry shouldn't make jokes at the expense of the many who lost their lives to him. "

But you thought you would anyway.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"I believe that no matter how disgusting these experiments were, that the lives lost in gathering this data has saved many thousands of lives since the 40’s and that this should be the real monument to those sacrificed by the nazi monsters in the death camps.

There are some things that mankind just does not need to pervert himself to discover. This kind of information could have been gleaned in due course naturally by studying the effects of extreme cold and heat on people who died naturally from it, or those who were still alive when found. There can be no excuse, however 'honourable' its intentions, for treating a fellow human being in this disgusting manner.

I would be aghast if my life was saved because of information gleaned by the horrendous torture inflicted on another person."

You are correct in what you say, but the fact is that it was done and can’t be undone.

Rather than refusing to use the data gained, or failing to acknowledge where the data came from or its significance, I believe that every time it is used to advance our knowledge and medical treatments that the exact way the information was obtained should be shouted from the rooftops so that those it saves know the price that was paid for their treatment.

For the record I am a climber and have been a volunteer number of low temp studies in the past all of which were based on and added to the knowledge of the nazi’s.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is that the bloke from neighbours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is that the bloke from neighbours "

Lol, just read the title and was going to put the very same thing

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