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"I call things as I see them...bet you don't you would hold back to some extent whether you admit it or not "What should I have to hold back? If I tell the truth to people then it shouldn't cause offence unless they want it to. | |||
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"I call things as I see them...bet you don't you would hold back to some extent whether you admit it or not
What should I have to hold back? If I tell the truth to people then it shouldn't cause offence unless they want it to. "on many occasions on here if you really speak your mind your banned or torn apart by the exact pc crew we talk about, and in real life the truth can often be frowned upon due to the pc gone mad brigade thats life now in britain  | |||
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"I call things as I see them...bet you don't you would hold back to some extent whether you admit it or not
What should I have to hold back? If I tell the truth to people then it shouldn't cause offence unless they want it to. on many occasions on here if you really speak your mind your banned or torn apart by the exact pc crew we talk about, and in real life the truth can often be frowned upon due to the pc gone mad brigade thats life now in britain " | |||
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"I still call a spade a spade, if it is indeed a spade, as I am telling the truth. "Bit racist? | |||
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"I still call a spade a spade, if it is indeed a spade, as I am telling the truth.
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"I still call a spade a spade, if it is indeed a spade, as I am telling the truth.
Bit racist?"We have a Spade and a Shovel and a Rake.. and a chainsaw must be a racist thing to have..  | |||
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"I still call a spade a spade, if it is indeed a spade, as I am telling the truth.
Bit racist? boom and it starts here "Don't be silly. These Forums are packed with people who enjoy clever wordplay. The way you talk you'd think the place was full of reactionary morons. | |||
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"I still call a spade a spade, if it is indeed a spade, as I am telling the truth.
Bit racist? boom and it starts here
Don't be silly.
These Forums are packed with people who enjoy clever wordplay.
The way you talk you'd think the place was full of reactionary morons.
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"What makes them a 'brigade' per se?" Because a few of them become a division? | |||
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"What makes them a 'brigade' per se? Because a few of them become a division? "No. They're divisive, not divisional. And some of them can be SO picky about the smallest of things. | |||
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"I still call a spade a spade, if it is indeed a spade, as I am telling the truth.
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"I call things as I see them...bet you don't you would hold back to some extent whether you admit it or not
What should I have to hold back? If I tell the truth to people then it shouldn't cause offence unless they want it to. on many occasions on here if you really speak your mind your banned or torn apart by the exact pc crew we talk about, and in real life the truth can often be frowned upon due to the pc gone mad brigade thats life now in britain "I agree but I've also said that these forums have too many restrictions and are over-moderated for an adult oriented site. Personally if someone posts something stupid I'd like to be able to tell them that they're stupid, sadly that would end badly I think... | |||
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"What makes them a 'brigade' per se? Because a few of them become a division?
No. They're divisive, not divisional.
And some of them can be SO picky about the smallest of things."I know, tut tut some even signed up for the spelling and grammar police....nice uniform though. | |||
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"I still call a spade a spade, if it is indeed a spade, as I am telling the truth.
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You know exactly what I meant. "Yes. I do. | |||
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"I still call a spade a spade, if it is indeed a spade, as I am telling the truth.
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You know exactly what I meant. "I was toying with the idea of posting the very same thing but I knew someone would accuse me of being a racist... | |||
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"I call things as I see them...bet you don't you would hold back to some extent whether you admit it or not
What should I have to hold back? If I tell the truth to people then it shouldn't cause offence unless they want it to. on many occasions on here if you really speak your mind your banned or torn apart by the exact pc crew we talk about, and in real life the truth can often be frowned upon due to the pc gone mad brigade thats life now in britain
I agree but I've also said that these forums have too many restrictions and are over-moderated for an adult oriented site. Personally if someone posts something stupid I'd like to be able to tell them that they're stupid, sadly that would end badly I think... "I am not sure what the answer is and I can see where you are coming from with wanting to be able to respond with some degree of immediacy to posts you find offensive/ silly etc - I think it would probably end in tears without moderation as unlike in real life, face to face debates/ discussions it is much easier to hide behind the anonymity of the keyboard. In other words, I think that people are more careful with what they say face to face - would you agree? | |||
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"I call things as I see them...bet you don't you would hold back to some extent whether you admit it or not
What should I have to hold back? If I tell the truth to people then it shouldn't cause offence unless they want it to. on many occasions on here if you really speak your mind your banned or torn apart by the exact pc crew we talk about, and in real life the truth can often be frowned upon due to the pc gone mad brigade thats life now in britain
I agree but I've also said that these forums have too many restrictions and are over-moderated for an adult oriented site. Personally if someone posts something stupid I'd like to be able to tell them that they're stupid, sadly that would end badly I think... I am not sure what the answer is and I can see where you are coming from with wanting to be able to respond with some degree of immediacy to posts you find offensive/ silly etc - I think it would probably end in tears without moderation as unlike in real life, face to face debates/ discussions it is much easier to hide behind the anonymity of the keyboard. In other words, I think that people are more careful with what they say face to face - would you agree? "Some are but that's only because they're afraid to speak their mind. People know exactly where they stand with me and there's too little time in life to be beating around the bush. | |||
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"It's not politically correct to say politically correct nowadays, the correct term is "issue sensitive" or so I got told on one of those don't tell your staff off workshops " | |||
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" there's too little time in life to be beating around the bush." i love beating around in a bush, to many are shaved on here nowdays | |||
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" It's been around longer than anyone posting on this forum! " Are you sure about this assumption?;-) | |||
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"I still call a spade a spade, if it is indeed a spade, as I am telling the truth.
Bit racist?"That's what I thought | |||
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"It's not politically correct to say politically correct nowadays, the correct term is "issue sensitive" or so I got told on one of those don't tell your staff off workshops " yes they are such fun aren't they. | |||
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"It's not politically correct to say politically correct nowadays, the correct term is "issue sensitive" or so I got told on one of those don't tell your staff off workshops " yes they are such fun aren't they. | |||
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"I am guided by my own integrity and values. Not by a PC brigade. " Oh God, I was guided by my own I'd be in so much trouble | |||
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"It has gone way over the top. Did you they trying to band "Blackmail and Black Labrador" " Of course "they" did | |||
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"It has gone way over the top. Did you they trying to band "Blackmail and Black Labrador" " Just don't call your dog Honky..  | |||
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"It has gone way over the top. Did you they trying to band "Blackmail and Black Labrador" " The moment somebody...anybody decides they are potentially offended by a term, a word, a symbol, a celebration it means that it becomes a "sensitive issue" - while it seems a bit infuriating I just don t know where to draw a line. How would we define what should be adopted/ changed and what should not be? What do you think? | |||
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"It has gone way over the top. Did you they trying to band "Blackmail and Black Labrador" " Only if you believe the Daily Mail. Shame they didn't ban the word 'blackshirt'. | |||
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"Well I meet someone who thinks that the word blackmail is racists and should be banned." You met an idiot, there's plenty around just tune into Jeremy Kyle... | |||
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"Well I meet someone who thinks that the word blackmail is racists and should be banned. You met an idiot, there's plenty around just tune into Jeremy Kyle..." Tell me about it. | |||
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" How would we define what should be adopted/ changed and what should not be? What do you think? "I think we should carry on as we are - and by that I mean we should continue a public and legal discussion through laws and the courts in order to determine what it means to live in a civilised society. The challenge is to decide at what point we will tolerate and protect diversity and at what point we draw a line agree that certain core ideals should be held commonly. | |||
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"I'm against blacks and jesus...
/joke."And the naughty step in 5, 4, 3..... | |||
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"Much maligned by some, but where would we be without political correctness? Are you part of the PC brigade?" I think its gone too far people should be responsible for their own actions and comments and its not the place for a third party to instruct people on what they feel is right and wrong. | |||
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"It could be argued that political correctness has been the biggest modern non violent influence on how we interact with other members of our own society. It is constantly challenging and changing our 'norms'. Change is often uncomfortable, but once a change has been accepted and bedded in, how often would any of us want to reverse the new societal norm?" Society or more specifically elements of society inflict their _iews on the rest of society in Germany in the 1930's the then political correctness regime deemed that it was un-pc to support, like or aid the Jews how does that fit into your reversal of the then new societal norm? | |||
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No sweetheart your ass doesn't look massive in those jeggings 2 sizes too small! 
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" How can ANY third party tell another that someone may be offended by what they have said? They would have to 'assume' offence was intentional, most people 'assume' that others would do or say things for the same reasons that they themselves do!
"Because often the people who may be offended or damaged by words/behaviour are those who are disenfranchised by society, those who have much less power and influence. The fight against racism and homophobia would be an awful lot harder if white and straight people weren't allowed to say to each other 'that might be offensive, maybe don't use that phrase?', if we all sat around in silence and relied at minorities to lead the way. | |||
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" How can ANY third party tell another that someone may be offended by what they have said? They would have to 'assume' offence was intentional, most people 'assume' that others would do or say things for the same reasons that they themselves do!
Because often the people who may be offended or damaged by words/behaviour are those who are disenfranchised by society, those who have much less power and influence.
The fight against racism and homophobia would be an awful lot harder if white and straight people weren't allowed to say to each other 'that might be offensive, maybe don't use that phrase?', if we all sat around in silence and relied at minorities to lead the way."But they wouldn't, they would remain victims in their own heads, because everyone else has justified them feeling sorry for themselves | |||
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" How can ANY third party tell another that someone may be offended by what they have said? They would have to 'assume' offence was intentional, most people 'assume' that others would do or say things for the same reasons that they themselves do!
Because often the people who may be offended or damaged by words/behaviour are those who are disenfranchised by society, those who have much less power and influence.
The fight against racism and homophobia would be an awful lot harder if white and straight people weren't allowed to say to each other 'that might be offensive, maybe don't use that phrase?', if we all sat around in silence and relied at minorities to lead the way.
But they wouldn't, they would remain victims in their own heads, because everyone else has justified them feeling sorry for themselves"Really? It isn't feeling sorry for yourself when you are denied housing, turned down for jobs or promotion, are bullied and belittled for your colour, gender or sexuality. Gay has become a common insult again. Is the young man coming to terms with his sexuality, being bullied and hearing the word only used in as derogatory way being a victim in his own head or is he being victimised? | |||
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" ....... But they wouldn't, they would remain victims in their own heads, because everyone else has justified them feeling sorry for themselves" I don't understand the point your trying to make here, please would you explain it. | |||
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" How can ANY third party tell another that someone may be offended by what they have said? They would have to 'assume' offence was intentional, most people 'assume' that others would do or say things for the same reasons that they themselves do!
Because often the people who may be offended or damaged by words/behaviour are those who are disenfranchised by society, those who have much less power and influence.
The fight against racism and homophobia would be an awful lot harder if white and straight people weren't allowed to say to each other 'that might be offensive, maybe don't use that phrase?', if we all sat around in silence and relied at minorities to lead the way.
But they wouldn't, they would remain victims in their own heads, because everyone else has justified them feeling sorry for themselves
Really? It isn't feeling sorry for yourself when you are denied housing, turned down for jobs or promotion, are bullied and belittled for your colour, gender or sexuality.
Gay has become a common insult again. Is the young man coming to terms with his sexuality, being bullied and hearing the word only used in as derogatory way being a victim in his own head or is he being victimised?"
Things are ridiculed as being PC often when someone wants to justify getting away with a comment that might cause offence. It's like when someone starts a sentence "I'm not racist but...... "
Whether offence is intentional or not we live in a multicultural society which relies in tolerance so yes people do need educating with regard to what is and is not acceptable. | |||
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" How can ANY third party tell another that someone may be offended by what they have said? They would have to 'assume' offence was intentional, most people 'assume' that others would do or say things for the same reasons that they themselves do!
Because often the people who may be offended or damaged by words/behaviour are those who are disenfranchised by society, those who have much less power and influence.
The fight against racism and homophobia would be an awful lot harder if white and straight people weren't allowed to say to each other 'that might be offensive, maybe don't use that phrase?', if we all sat around in silence and relied at minorities to lead the way.
But they wouldn't, they would remain victims in their own heads, because everyone else has justified them feeling sorry for themselves
Really? It isn't feeling sorry for yourself when you are denied housing, turned down for jobs or promotion, are bullied and belittled for your colour, gender or sexuality.
Gay has become a common insult again. Is the young man coming to terms with his sexuality, being bullied and hearing the word only used in as derogatory way being a victim in his own head or is he being victimised?"Nicely put. | |||
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"When did 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me' stopped being a British statement? Political Correctness, if anything, has made the country soft and weak; a nation of spineless cowards, censored by pathetic groups who are hurt by words, WORDS! that's all they are. I would say racist, sexist and homophobic feelings are probably still there in today's society, it's just people are more selective on who and where they mention their _iews. In fact, Political Correctness has probably made people less integrated, if that's what its plan was in the first place, to try and encourage integration, I would say it has completely failed. " Having your racist/sexist/homophobic _iews widely condemned by society is more likely to cause you to question and rethink them than having them accepted across the board. Your argument sounds like a cop-out. When we go back to criminalising homosexuality and take the right to vote away from women I'll consider that you're on to something. Of course inequalities still exist, but they are being eroded continually, as a result, in part, of political correctness. | |||
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"When did 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me' stopped being a British statement? Political Correctness, if anything, has made the country soft and weak; a nation of spineless cowards, censored by pathetic groups who are hurt by words, WORDS! that's all they are. I would say racist, sexist and homophobic feelings are probably still there in today's society, it's just people are more selective on who and where they mention their _iews. In fact, Political Correctness has probably made people less integrated, if that's what its plan was in the first place, to try and encourage integration, I would say it has completely failed. " You've clearly missed the point. It doesn't matter if a bigot changes what they personally believe or not. All that matters is that they should not be allowed to negatively effect the life of another member of society. I couldn't personally care less if someone is twisted by racism, as long as their bigoted _iews do not impact me. If I do not see it, hear it and am not disadvantaged by it, then I couldn't care less what goes on in their mind. Their bigoted ideas will eventually die out with them or their ilk. One further point. I can't help but question your understanding of cowardice. | |||
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"When did 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me' stopped being a British statement? Political Correctness, if anything, has made the country soft and weak; a nation of spineless cowards, censored by pathetic groups who are hurt by words, WORDS! that's all they are. I would say racist, sexist and homophobic feelings are probably still there in today's society, it's just people are more selective on who and where they mention their _iews. In fact, Political Correctness has probably made people less integrated, if that's what its plan was in the first place, to try and encourage integration, I would say it has completely failed. You've clearly missed the point. It doesn't matter if a bigot changes what they personally believe or not. All that matters is that they should not be allowed to negatively effect the life of another member of society. I couldn't personally care less if someone is twisted by racism, as long as their bigoted _iews do not impact me. If I do not see it, hear it and am not disadvantaged by it, then I couldn't care less what goes on in their mind. Their bigoted ideas will eventually die out with them or their ilk. One further point. I can't help but question your understanding of cowardice. " | |||
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" How can ANY third party tell another that someone may be offended by what they have said? They would have to 'assume' offence was intentional, most people 'assume' that others would do or say things for the same reasons that they themselves do!
Because often the people who may be offended or damaged by words/behaviour are those who are disenfranchised by society, those who have much less power and influence.
The fight against racism and homophobia would be an awful lot harder if white and straight people weren't allowed to say to each other 'that might be offensive, maybe don't use that phrase?', if we all sat around in silence and relied at minorities to lead the way.
But they wouldn't, they would remain victims in their own heads, because everyone else has justified them feeling sorry for themselves
Really? It isn't feeling sorry for yourself when you are denied housing, turned down for jobs or promotion, are bullied and belittled for your colour, gender or sexuality.
Gay has become a common insult again. Is the young man coming to terms with his sexuality, being bullied and hearing the word only used in as derogatory way being a victim in his own head or is he being victimised?"Erm...NO | |||
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"Just because someone chooses his/her words carefully so as to appear politically correct, it does not necessarily mean he/she means what he/she says/believes" That's exactly my point, If you DON'T mean what you say/believe, then WHY say it at all??? To appease, that's why!
I'm PC, Personally Correct, I don't judge others in that way, but I do ask lots of questions and if I offend or if I'm offended, I'll be super quick in letting the offender know, as should everyone else be! | |||
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"Just because someone chooses his/her words carefully so as to appear politically correct, it does not necessarily mean he/she means what he/she says/believes That's exactly my point, If you DON'T mean what you say/believe, then WHY say it at all??? To appease, that's why!
"Why?.....Look at the alternative, if one chooses to say something that is illegal or offensive which may be born out of ignorance, then there are possible ramifications. We shouldn't be able to control peoples internal beliefs, but we should be able to protect wider society from some aspects of bigoted beliefs. | |||
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"When did 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me' stopped being a British statement? Political Correctness, if anything, has made the country soft and weak; a nation of spineless cowards, censored by pathetic groups who are hurt by words, WORDS! that's all they are. I would say racist, sexist and homophobic feelings are probably still there in today's society, it's just people are more selective on who and where they mention their _iews. In fact, Political Correctness has probably made people less integrated, if that's what its plan was in the first place, to try and encourage integration, I would say it has completely failed. You've clearly missed the point. It doesn't matter if a bigot changes what they personally believe or not. All that matters is that they should not be allowed to negatively effect the life of another member of society. I couldn't personally care less if someone is twisted by racism, as long as their bigoted _iews do not impact me. If I do not see it, hear it and am not disadvantaged by it, then I couldn't care less what goes on in their mind. Their bigoted ideas will eventually die out with them or their ilk. One further point. I can't help but question your understanding of cowardice. " | |||
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"Just because someone chooses his/her words carefully so as to appear politically correct, it does not necessarily mean he/she means what he/she says/believes That's exactly my point, If you DON'T mean what you say/believe, then WHY say it at all??? To appease, that's why!
I'm PC, Personally Correct, I don't judge others in that way, but I do ask lots of questions and if I offend or if I'm offended, I'll be super quick in letting the offender know, as should everyone else be! "That misses the whole power dynamics of these things. When you are being bullied it is difficult to stand up for yourself. I didn't consciously experience real racism until I was 17 when I started looking for work and I had a white boyfriend. I sound "white" for want of a better word and secured inter_iews on the phone but when I turned up for the inter_iews I was turned away. One agency told me I would never be able to get temp work as I wasn't an English Rose and that is what their clients wanted. I went to meet my white boyfriend at Romford station and had red paint thrown over me. I was called a Paki bitch and told to get back on the train and never see my boyfriend again by his friends. I did speak out and continue to do so but I can see why my parents may have found it more difficult to challenge. Speaking out on here often gets me abuse or sly digs but that's ok because I am just being overly sensitive. | |||
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"Just because someone chooses his/her words carefully so as to appear politically correct, it does not necessarily mean he/she means what he/she says/believes That's exactly my point, If you DON'T mean what you say/believe, then WHY say it at all??? To appease, that's why!
I'm PC, Personally Correct, I don't judge others in that way, but I do ask lots of questions and if I offend or if I'm offended, I'll be super quick in letting the offender know, as should everyone else be!
That misses the whole power dynamics of these things. When you are being bullied it is difficult to stand up for yourself.
I didn't consciously experience real racism until I was 17 when I started looking for work and I had a white boyfriend.
I sound "white" for want of a better word and secured inter_iews on the phone but when I turned up for the inter_iews I was turned away. One agency told me I would never be able to get temp work as I wasn't an English Rose and that is what their clients wanted.
I went to meet my white boyfriend at Romford station and had red paint thrown over me. I was called a Paki bitch and told to get back on the train and never see my boyfriend again by his friends.
I did speak out and continue to do so but I can see why my parents may have found it more difficult to challenge. Speaking out on here often gets me abuse or sly digs but that's ok because I am just being overly sensitive.
"People don't get that not caring what is or isn't acceptable is itself being complicit. My brother in law is Egyptian. As a student he would be stopped regularly by the Police, he was spat upon. This before any of the recent events in the middle east but simply because he has foreign features and dark skin. He travels a lot with work and is constantly subjected to harassment and searches. Has been followed by police and pulled over for no reason. Prejudice, racial, sexual and towards the disabled, is rife and is not acceptable. Whether you are a racist bigot or not if it's unacceptable to voice those opinions then there is less chance of spreading your poison to others. | |||
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"Just because someone chooses his/her words carefully so as to appear politically correct, it does not necessarily mean he/she means what he/she says/believes That's exactly my point, If you DON'T mean what you say/believe, then WHY say it at all??? To appease, that's why!
Why?.....Look at the alternative, if one chooses to say something that is illegal or offensive which may be born out of ignorance, then there are possible ramifications.
We shouldn't be able to control peoples internal beliefs, but we should be able to protect wider society from some aspects of bigoted beliefs. "You can't bubble wrap society, if emotionaly weak people are offended and don't want to voice it, then maybe that IS their problem, we CAN'T keep standing up for folks that can't be arsed to stand up for themselves... It doesn't work, you end up with À society full of wimps that run away crying when they get called a name....and that's just the grown ups? 
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"Just because someone chooses his/her words carefully so as to appear politically correct, it does not necessarily mean he/she means what he/she says/believes That's exactly my point, If you DON'T mean what you say/believe, then WHY say it at all??? To appease, that's why!
Why?.....Look at the alternative, if one chooses to say something that is illegal or offensive which may be born out of ignorance, then there are possible ramifications.
We shouldn't be able to control peoples internal beliefs, but we should be able to protect wider society from some aspects of bigoted beliefs.
You can't bubble wrap society, if emotionaly weak people are offended and don't want to voice it, then maybe that IS their problem, we CAN'T keep standing up for folks that can't be arsed to stand up for themselves... It doesn't work, you end up with À society full of wimps that run away crying when they get called a name....and that's just the grown ups?
Mmmm....just the way the government like us....pathetic, stupid anid weak, then we can't resist their proposals anymore. "so at what point do folks step in to intervene..? when the name calling moves on to actual physical attacks or is that character building for the 'sensitive person'.. when someone pours petrol through someones letterbox cos they dont like that they cant park their car as the wheel chair user's parking bay albiet empty is there for a reason, do we stand by and say yes that's ok they should stand up for themselves..? standing up for people less able to do so does not weaken us as individuals or as a society.. bit like caring for the elderly and those who have critical health problems, unless your also suggesting that to do that makes us wimps..?? | |||
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"Just because someone chooses his/her words carefully so as to appear politically correct, it does not necessarily mean he/she means what he/she says/believes That's exactly my point, If you DON'T mean what you say/believe, then WHY say it at all??? To appease, that's why!
Why?.....Look at the alternative, if one chooses to say something that is illegal or offensive which may be born out of ignorance, then there are possible ramifications.
We shouldn't be able to control peoples internal beliefs, but we should be able to protect wider society from some aspects of bigoted beliefs.
You can't bubble wrap society, if emotionaly weak people are offended and don't want to voice it, then maybe that IS their problem, we CAN'T keep standing up for folks that can't be arsed to stand up for themselves... It doesn't work, you end up with À society full of wimps that run away crying when they get called a name....and that's just the grown ups?
Mmmm....just the way the government like us....pathetic, stupid anid weak, then we can't resist their proposals anymore.
so at what point do folks step in to intervene..?
when the name calling moves on to actual physical attacks or is that character building for the 'sensitive person'..
when someone pours petrol through someones letterbox cos they dont like that they cant park their car as the wheel chair user's parking bay albiet empty is there for a reason, do we stand by and say yes that's ok they should stand up for themselves..?
standing up for people less able to do so does not weaken us as individuals or as a society..
bit like caring for the elderly and those who have critical health problems, unless your also suggesting that to do that makes us wimps..?? " | |||
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"Just because someone chooses his/her words carefully so as to appear politically correct, it does not necessarily mean he/she means what he/she says/believes That's exactly my point, If you DON'T mean what you say/believe, then WHY say it at all??? To appease, that's why!
I'm PC, Personally Correct, I don't judge others in that way, but I do ask lots of questions and if I offend or if I'm offended, I'll be super quick in letting the offender know, as should everyone else be!
That misses the whole power dynamics of these things. When you are being bullied it is difficult to stand up for yourself.
I didn't consciously experience real racism until I was 17 when I started looking for work and I had a white boyfriend.
I sound "white" for want of a better word and secured inter_iews on the phone but when I turned up for the inter_iews I was turned away. One agency told me I would never be able to get temp work as I wasn't an English Rose and that is what their clients wanted.
I went to meet my white boyfriend at Romford station and had red paint thrown over me. I was called a Paki bitch and told to get back on the train and never see my boyfriend again by his friends.
I did speak out and continue to do so but I can see why my parents may have found it more difficult to challenge. Speaking out on here often gets me abuse or sly digs but that's ok because I am just being overly sensitive.
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"Just because someone chooses his/her words carefully so as to appear politically correct, it does not necessarily mean he/she means what he/she says/believes That's exactly my point, If you DON'T mean what you say/believe, then WHY say it at all??? To appease, that's why!
Why?.....Look at the alternative, if one chooses to say something that is illegal or offensive which may be born out of ignorance, then there are possible ramifications.
We shouldn't be able to control peoples internal beliefs, but we should be able to protect wider society from some aspects of bigoted beliefs.
You can't bubble wrap society, if emotionaly weak people are offended and don't want to voice it, then maybe that IS their problem, we CAN'T keep standing up for folks that can't be arsed to stand up for themselves... It doesn't work, you end up with À society full of wimps that run away crying when they get called a name....and that's just the grown ups?
Mmmm....just the way the government like us....pathetic, stupid anid weak, then we can't resist their proposals anymore.
so at what point do folks step in to intervene..?
when the name calling moves on to actual physical attacks or is that character building for the 'sensitive person'..
when someone pours petrol through someones letterbox cos they dont like that they cant park their car as the wheel chair user's parking bay albiet empty is there for a reason, do we stand by and say yes that's ok they should stand up for themselves..?
standing up for people less able to do so does not weaken us as individuals or as a society..
bit like caring for the elderly and those who have critical health problems, unless your also suggesting that to do that makes us wimps..?? "Life IS survival of the fitest....always has been, always will be! | |||
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"Just because someone chooses his/her words carefully so as to appear politically correct, it does not necessarily mean he/she means what he/she says/believes That's exactly my point, If you DON'T mean what you say/believe, then WHY say it at all??? To appease, that's why!
Why?.....Look at the alternative, if one chooses to say something that is illegal or offensive which may be born out of ignorance, then there are possible ramifications.
We shouldn't be able to control peoples internal beliefs, but we should be able to protect wider society from some aspects of bigoted beliefs.
You can't bubble wrap society, if emotionaly weak people are offended and don't want to voice it, then maybe that IS their problem, we CAN'T keep standing up for folks that can't be arsed to stand up for themselves... It doesn't work, you end up with À society full of wimps that run away crying when they get called a name....and that's just the grown ups?
Mmmm....just the way the government like us....pathetic, stupid anid weak, then we can't resist their proposals anymore.
so at what point do folks step in to intervene..?
when the name calling moves on to actual physical attacks or is that character building for the 'sensitive person'..
when someone pours petrol through someones letterbox cos they dont like that they cant park their car as the wheel chair user's parking bay albiet empty is there for a reason, do we stand by and say yes that's ok they should stand up for themselves..?
standing up for people less able to do so does not weaken us as individuals or as a society..
bit like caring for the elderly and those who have critical health problems, unless your also suggesting that to do that makes us wimps..??
Life IS survival of the fitest....always has been, always will be! "No it isn't No it hasn't No it won't be Its what separates us from animals like it or not. | |||
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"Just because someone chooses his/her words carefully so as to appear politically correct, it does not necessarily mean he/she means what he/she says/believes That's exactly my point, If you DON'T mean what you say/believe, then WHY say it at all??? To appease, that's why!
I'm PC, Personally Correct, I don't judge others in that way, but I do ask lots of questions and if I offend or if I'm offended, I'll be super quick in letting the offender know, as should everyone else be!
That misses the whole power dynamics of these things. When you are being bullied it is difficult to stand up for yourself.
I didn't consciously experience real racism until I was 17 when I started looking for work and I had a white boyfriend.
I sound "white" for want of a better word and secured inter_iews on the phone but when I turned up for the inter_iews I was turned away. One agency told me I would never be able to get temp work as I wasn't an English Rose and that is what their clients wanted.
I went to meet my white boyfriend at Romford station and had red paint thrown over me. I was called a Paki bitch and told to get back on the train and never see my boyfriend again by his friends.
I did speak out and continue to do so but I can see why my parents may have found it more difficult to challenge. Speaking out on here often gets me abuse or sly digs but that's ok because I am just being overly sensitive.
We ALL have our sob stories sweetheaart, its called life, the trick is to get on with livin it! "Well thank you for that. I must remember that the next time I am attacked with an iron bar (just another of my sob stories). I do get on with it but the point is that life doesn't HAVE to be that way if we are considerate of each other. | |||
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" We ALL have our sob stories sweetheaart, its called life, the trick is to get on with livin it!
Well thank you for that. I must remember that the next time I am attacked with an iron bar (just another of my sob stories).
I do get on with it but the point is that life doesn't HAVE to be that way if we are considerate of each other.
"Maybe you could remember that while you're waiting for someone else to fight your battles for you?
And you CAN'T make ignorant people think better without educating them first, judging them, punishing them...makes you NO better...
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We ARE animals "Animals that debate. Animals that set out different structures for living and not just one. Animals that care for the weakest in society and don't just leave them at the side of the road to live or die (mostly). Animals with more than one way of saying something. | |||
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" We ALL have our sob stories sweetheaart, its called life, the trick is to get on with livin it!
Well thank you for that. I must remember that the next time I am attacked with an iron bar (just another of my sob stories).
I do get on with it but the point is that life doesn't HAVE to be that way if we are considerate of each other.
Maybe you could remember that while you're waiting for someone else to fight your battles for you?
And you CAN'T make ignorant people think better without educating them first, judging them, punishing them...makes you NO better...
Survival of the fittest...ALWAYS wins...its the way of the universe! "Educating them is exactly what I believe. Part of that education is about the use of language. Education is the battleground and the weapons of choice that I use. Someone fought your battles for you too - you now have the right to vote because they did. You have the right to speak out here and elsewhere because someone fought that battle too. | |||
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"We not seperate from the animals..
We ARE animals
Animals that debate. Animals that set out different structures for living and not just one. Animals that care for the weakest in society and don't just leave them at the side of the road to live or die (mostly).
Animals with more than one way of saying something.
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" We ALL have our sob stories sweetheaart, its called life, the trick is to get on with livin it!
Well thank you for that. I must remember that the next time I am attacked with an iron bar (just another of my sob stories).
I do get on with it but the point is that life doesn't HAVE to be that way if we are considerate of each other.
Maybe you could remember that while you're waiting for someone else to fight your battles for you?
And you CAN'T make ignorant people think better without educating them first, judging them, punishing them...makes you NO better...
Survival of the fittest...ALWAYS wins...its the way of the universe!
Educating them is exactly what I believe. Part of that education is about the use of language. Education is the battleground and the weapons of choice that I use.
Someone fought your battles for you too - you now have the right to vote because they did. You have the right to speak out here and elsewhere because someone fought that battle too.
"Yes they fought for the right for you to NOT take responsibility for yourself, boo hoo, poor me, them bad bullies, stop moaning at others, stand up and help fight! Why should we, if you won't? | |||
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"We not seperate from the animals..
We ARE animals
Animals that debate. Animals that set out different structures for living and not just one. Animals that care for the weakest in society and don't just leave them at the side of the road to live or die (mostly).
Animals with more than one way of saying something.
Dunno what world you live in, but mines a world where humans slaughter millions of animals, people, plantlife, for money and power!
While WE stand by and allow it...everyday! Open yer eyes! "You stand by if you want - I don't. It is true I don't fight everything because I can't on my own. Instead I join up with all the other weak minded people to fight someone else's battle for them. Please don't exhort me to open my eyes when yours appear to be blinkered on the point of the OP. | |||
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" We ALL have our sob stories sweetheaart, its called life, the trick is to get on with livin it!
Well thank you for that. I must remember that the next time I am attacked with an iron bar (just another of my sob stories).
I do get on with it but the point is that life doesn't HAVE to be that way if we are considerate of each other.
Maybe you could remember that while you're waiting for someone else to fight your battles for you?
And you CAN'T make ignorant people think better without educating them first, judging them, punishing them...makes you NO better...
Survival of the fittest...ALWAYS wins...its the way of the universe!
Educating them is exactly what I believe. Part of that education is about the use of language. Education is the battleground and the weapons of choice that I use.
Someone fought your battles for you too - you now have the right to vote because they did. You have the right to speak out here and elsewhere because someone fought that battle too.
Yes they fought for the right for you to NOT take responsibility for yourself, boo hoo, poor me, them bad bullies, stop moaning at others, stand up and help fight! Why should we, if you won't? "This is getting silly. Please stop making this personal. It is your entitlement to criticise my posts but not to attack me. Nowhere have I indicated that I roll over and accept being bullied. I have pointed out my experience of being treated and SPOKEN to differently because of my colour to illustrate why changing language is important. | |||
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" We ALL have our sob stories sweetheaart, its called life, the trick is to get on with livin it!
Well thank you for that. I must remember that the next time I am attacked with an iron bar (just another of my sob stories).
I do get on with it but the point is that life doesn't HAVE to be that way if we are considerate of each other.
Maybe you could remember that while you're waiting for someone else to fight your battles for you?
And you CAN'T make ignorant people think better without educating them first, judging them, punishing them...makes you NO better...
Survival of the fittest...ALWAYS wins...its the way of the universe!
Educating them is exactly what I believe. Part of that education is about the use of language. Education is the battleground and the weapons of choice that I use.
Someone fought your battles for you too - you now have the right to vote because they did. You have the right to speak out here and elsewhere because someone fought that battle too.
Yes they fought for the right for you to NOT take responsibility for yourself, boo hoo, poor me, them bad bullies, stop moaning at others, stand up and help fight! Why should we, if you won't?
This is getting silly. Please stop making this personal. It is your entitlement to criticise my posts but not to attack me.
Nowhere have I indicated that I roll over and accept being bullied. I have pointed out my experience of being treated and SPOKEN to differently because of my colour to illustrate why changing language is important."I haven't made anything "personal"
I didn't mean YOU personally...why would I?
I was debating your point of _iew, nothing more...
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"So you're standing in the queue for the chippy and a guy walks in goes straight to the front tells an old lady to fuck off out of the way and puts his order in. He's a big lad so that's fair enough, survival of the fittest and all that. You might...I'd say "haw..big man, what ye up'te? Then, I turn to the counter assisstant and say,"we were all here before him." I speak my mind...I don't wait to be saved! "So you speak up for the old lady at the front. Because his behaviour is unacceptable. What's the difference? It's not about survival of the fittest it's about standing up for each other and looking after the weaker ones not leaving them behind for the hyenas to get rid of. | |||
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"Maybe you ARE a little over sensitive?
I've not attacked you...!! "That is the point about language and how we use it. Re-read your replies to my posts where you have quoted my posts. The use of "you" is specific. And your opening sentence to this post says it all. Of course that is my interpretation and assumption. If I felt I was oversensitive I would have clicked the report button because I felt I was being attacked. It is not something I do with you or anyone else that attacks on the forum. | |||
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"Maybe you ARE a little over sensitive?
I've not attacked you...!!
That is the point about language and how we use it. Re-read your replies to my posts where you have quoted my posts. The use of "you" is specific. And your opening sentence to this post says it all. Of course that is my interpretation and assumption.
If I felt I was oversensitive I would have clicked the report button because I felt I was being attacked. It is not something I do with you or anyone else that attacks on the forum.
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"Re-read yer own, you Made assumtions, I havn't! "Perhaps if you want people to take note of what you're actually saying you could try toning down a bit. You come across way too hostile and yes I think you have been personal and attempted to be condescending to others. To that end the whole point of what you're trying to say has gone over my head. | |||
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" So you speak up for the old lady at the front. Because his behaviour is unacceptable. What's the difference? It's not about survival of the fittest it's about standing up for each other and looking after the weaker ones not leaving them behind for the hyenas to get rid of. " I didn't stand up for the old lady, I stood up for MY place in the queue, nothing more....another assumption...that's why PC won't work, Too many "assumptions" | |||
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"Re-read yer own, you Made assumtions, I havn't!
Perhaps if you want people to take note of what you're actually saying you could try toning down a bit. You come across way too hostile and yes I think you have been personal and attempted to be condescending to others. To that end the whole point of what you're trying to say has gone over my head. " | |||
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"Re-read yer own, you Made assumtions, I havn't!
Perhaps if you want people to take note of what you're actually saying you could try toning down a bit. You come across way too hostile and yes I think you have been personal and attempted to be condescending to others. To that end the whole point of what you're trying to say has gone over my head. "Then point out where I was personal to you or hostile, you made my point pefectly... PC is based on some people assuming personal attacks are being made when actually they're not!
Why should I write differently because someone made an incorrect assumption?
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"Re-read yer own, you Made assumtions, I havn't!
Perhaps if you want people to take note of what you're actually saying you could try toning down a bit. You come across way too hostile and yes I think you have been personal and attempted to be condescending to others. To that end the whole point of what you're trying to say has gone over my head.
Then point out where I was personal to you or hostile, you made my point pefectly...
PC is based on some people assuming personal attacks are being made when actually they're not!
Why should I write differently because someone made an incorrect assumption?
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" Why should I write differently because someone made an incorrect assumption?
I think PC (not a term I am fond of) is about what is or isn't acceptable regardless of who the target is. You can post what you like but if other posters find your attitude or tone unacceptable then they are at liberty to say so. "People take offence ALL the time, I don't care how others find my posts, that's not the point of a forum, but ONE poster said my use of the word "you" was personal to her, when I'd actually used it as a 'general' term, meaning others...meaning therefore I was NOT being personal to her, she made another assumption about my intent, its not the language that the problem, its the fact that people keep "assuming" what is intended by the word, then take offence to it! Stupid really! | |||
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" Why should I write differently because someone made an incorrect assumption?
I think PC (not a term I am fond of) is about what is or isn't acceptable regardless of who the target is. You can post what you like but if other posters find your attitude or tone unacceptable then they are at liberty to say so.
People take offence ALL the time, I don't care how others find my posts, that's not the point of a forum, but ONE poster said my use of the word "you" was personal to her, when I'd actually used it as a 'general' term, meaning others...meaning therefore I was NOT being personal to her, she made another assumption about my intent, its not the language that the problem, its the fact that people keep "assuming" what is intended by the word, then take offence to it! Stupid really!"It seemed to me that some of your posts were quite personal towards the OP and it seemed that way to another poster too so maybe both of us and the OP are all stupid and or mistaken, not something I will lose sleep over. | |||
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" Why should I write differently because someone made an incorrect assumption?
I think PC (not a term I am fond of) is about what is or isn't acceptable regardless of who the target is. You can post what you like but if other posters find your attitude or tone unacceptable then they are at liberty to say so.
People take offence ALL the time, I don't care how others find my posts, that's not the point of a forum, but ONE poster said my use of the word "you" was personal to her, when I'd actually used it as a 'general' term, meaning others...meaning therefore I was NOT being personal to her, she made another assumption about my intent, its not the language that the problem, its the fact that people keep "assuming" what is intended by the word, then take offence to it! Stupid really!
It seemed to me that some of your posts were quite personal towards the OP and it seemed that way to another poster too so maybe both of us and the OP are all stupid and or mistaken, not something I will lose sleep over. "Yip...only maybe?
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"Britain's great national pastime these days is taking offence, which is the next step from PC, which in turn is just another means of control. You end up walking on eggshells and not voicing your opinion as much as you otherwise would. That's how over the last 10-15 years so many immigrants have been allowed in. The silent majority daren't say anything because the PC brigade will brand them "racist". Hey presto, your country is overrun and you're frightened to do anything about it. "'Overrun'..usual gross exaggeration fake a look at population data for the UK.. | |||
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"Britain's great national pastime these days is taking offence, which is the next step from PC, which in turn is just another means of control. You end up walking on eggshells and not voicing your opinion as much as you otherwise would. That's how over the last 10-15 years so many immigrants have been allowed in. The silent majority daren't say anything because the PC brigade will brand them "racist". Hey presto, your country is overrun and you're frightened to do anything about it. "'Overrun'..usual gross exaggeration fake a look at population data for the UK.. | |||
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"Britain's great national pastime these days is taking offence, which is the next step from PC, which in turn is just another means of control. You end up walking on eggshells and not voicing your opinion as much as you otherwise would. That's how over the last 10-15 years so many immigrants have been allowed in. The silent majority daren't say anything because the PC brigade will brand them "racist". Hey presto, your country is overrun and you're frightened to do anything about it. "'Overrun'..usual gross exaggeration fake a look at population data for the UK.. | |||
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"Britain's great national pastime these days is taking offence, which is the next step from PC, which in turn is just another means of control. You end up walking on eggshells and not voicing your opinion as much as you otherwise would. That's how over the last 10-15 years so many immigrants have been allowed in. The silent majority daren't say anything because the PC brigade will brand them "racist". Hey presto, your country is overrun and you're frightened to do anything about it. "'Overrun'..usual gross exaggeration fake a look at population data for the UK.. | |||
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"I am not politically correct in the slightest. I will give my _iews if asked and if the persons asking are offended then tough. i would not deliberately go out of my way to upset anyone but i think the term politically correct is used by the do gooders who want are trying to sanitise everything we say to point of being mute." one can be frank and concise in giving ones _iews without offending anyone, suppose its all about delivery and a bit of thought to what your saying.. the term politically correct is more likely to be used to disparage an opposing _iew, bit of an insult to prop up their 'argument' or cloud the reality of their point of _iew by folks with either an agenda or without the balls to actually say what they really think as their _iew is beyond the pale.. a cop out by folks who are happy to have their right to free speech without the responsibility for what they say.. | |||
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"Britain's great national pastime these days is taking offence, which is the next step from PC, which in turn is just another means of control. You end up walking on eggshells and not voicing your opinion as much as you otherwise would. That's how over the last 10-15 years so many immigrants have been allowed in. The silent majority daren't say anything because the PC brigade will brand them "racist". Hey presto, your country is overrun and you're frightened to do anything about it.
'Overrun'..usual gross exaggeration fake a look at population data for the UK.."The BBC now admit they got it wrong on immigration. : "They feared having a conversation about immigration, they feared the consequence." One-sided reports meant _iewer's concerns about immigration lowering wages and threatening jobs were not addressed by the broadcaster. Robinson, whose new documentary The Truth About Immigration is due to air on Tuesday, said the BBC's audience felt it had "decided these are not acceptable _iews. And that was a terrible mistake." However, he said he thought the BBC was "not getting it right" on immigration. It comes months after an official re_iew found the BBC did not accurately reflect the public's growing concern about immigration because of a "deep liberal bias". | |||
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"I am not politically correct in the slightest. I will give my _iews if asked and if the persons asking are offended then tough. i would not deliberately go out of my way to upset anyone but i think the term politically correct is used by the do gooders who want are trying to sanitise everything we say to point of being mute. What's wrong with people who do good? The term politically correct is used more often by those that aren't than those that are. Says who?
Me why? "Because unless you've went and asked EVERYONE who's used the term...you CAN'T possibly know that, so its another 'assumption' | |||
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"I am not politically correct in the slightest. I will give my _iews if asked and if the persons asking are offended then tough. i would not deliberately go out of my way to upset anyone but i think the term politically correct is used by the do gooders who want are trying to sanitise everything we say to point of being mute. What's wrong with people who do good? The term politically correct is used more often by those that aren't than those that are. " you may have misinterpreted my post i agree folk who do good must be applauded what i meant was by do gooders who whether intentionally or not are strangling free speech just for sake of risk anyone taking offence to anything just to be awkward. Offensive statements are one thing and should be dealt with but sometimes we use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. What i class as offensive is clear racial or sexual remarks. | |||
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"I am not politically correct in the slightest. I will give my _iews if asked and if the persons asking are offended then tough. i would not deliberately go out of my way to upset anyone but i think the term politically correct is used by the do gooders who want are trying to sanitise everything we say to point of being mute. What's wrong with people who do good? The term politically correct is used more often by those that aren't than those that are. you may have misinterpreted my post i agree folk who do good must be applauded what i meant was by do gooders who whether intentionally or not are strangling free speech just for sake of risk anyone taking offence to anything just to be awkward. Offensive statements are one thing and should be dealt with but sometimes we use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. What i class as offensive is clear racial or sexual remarks." Do you really believe that is what anyone is trying to do? | |||
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Me why?
Because unless you've went and asked EVERYONE who's used the term...you CAN'T possibly know that, so its another 'assumption' "So what it's my opinion I'll state it | |||
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Me why?
Because unless you've went and asked EVERYONE who's used the term...you CAN'T possibly know that, so its another 'assumption'
So what it's my opinion I'll state it"That's not an opinion, that's a random guess! | |||
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"I am not politically correct in the slightest. I will give my _iews if asked and if the persons asking are offended then tough. i would not deliberately go out of my way to upset anyone but i think the term politically correct is used by the do gooders who want are trying to sanitise everything we say to point of being mute. What's wrong with people who do good? The term politically correct is used more often by those that aren't than those that are. Says who?
Me why?
Because unless you've went and asked EVERYONE who's used the term...you CAN'T possibly know that, so its another 'assumption'
So what it's my opinion I'll state it
That's not an opinion, that's a random guess! "I disagree. It's no more random than any of your opinions. There's a post further up that says exactly the same. | |||
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"Britain's great national pastime these days is taking offence, which is the next step from PC, which in turn is just another means of control. You end up walking on eggshells and not voicing your opinion as much as you otherwise would. That's how over the last 10-15 years so many immigrants have been allowed in. The silent majority daren't say anything because the PC brigade will brand them "racist". Hey presto, your country is overrun and you're frightened to do anything about it.
'Overrun'..usual gross exaggeration fake a look at population data for the UK..
The BBC now admit they got it wrong on immigration.
: "They feared having a conversation about immigration, they feared the consequence."
One-sided reports meant _iewer's concerns about immigration lowering wages and threatening jobs were not addressed by the broadcaster.
Robinson, whose new documentary The Truth About Immigration is due to air on Tuesday, said the BBC's audience felt it had "decided these are not acceptable _iews. And that was a terrible mistake."
However, he said he thought the BBC was "not getting it right" on immigration.
It comes months after an official re_iew found the BBC did not accurately reflect the public's growing concern about immigration because of a "deep liberal bias"."That the BBC is a liberally biased organisation is irrelevant....my point was to highlight the fact that we are not being 'overrun' by immigrants. Such inflamatory statements add nothing to the serious debate that is needed over immigration. | |||
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"I am not politically correct in the slightest. I will give my _iews if asked and if the persons asking are offended then tough. i would not deliberately go out of my way to upset anyone but i think the term politically correct is used by the do gooders who want are trying to sanitise everything we say to point of being mute. What's wrong with people who do good? The term politically correct is used more often by those that aren't than those that are. Says who?
Me why?
Because unless you've went and asked EVERYONE who's used the term...you CAN'T possibly know that, so its another 'assumption' "It's not an assumption without merit though is it? It stands to reason that since being PC clearly has negative connotations attached it, people who may be regarded as being PC wouldn't wish to be identified that way, rather they'd prefer to be discussing the validity of the position they're taking. Terms such as 'PC brigade', 'liberal bias' are just as useful to a discussion as 'right wing nut', 'loony lefty', 'champagne socialist' etc....cheap phrases that dilute and generalising the debate, as if there were two distinct groups of people. Those that are always right, and everyone else. | |||
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"fransummerparties replying to Licketysplits "We ALL have our sob stories sweetheaart, its called life, the trick is to get on with livin it! " and "Yes they fought for the right for you to NOT take responsibility for yourself, boo hoo, poor me, them bad bullies, stop moaning at others, stand up and help fight! Why should we, if you won't?" I also felt these were personal and offensive remarks and have reported them as such. Is that an assumption on my part too?" Yes...that's my point, it was NOT personal to that specific poster, I've already stated it was gereral...aimed at those who feel 'offended' at the drop of a hat! | |||
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" What's wrong with people who do good? The term politically correct is used more often by those that aren't than those that are. Says who?
Me why?
Because unless you've went and asked EVERYONE who's used the term...you CAN'T possibly know that, so its another 'assumption'
It's not an assumption without merit though is it?
"Well it acually IS without ANY merit what so ever... He would have to establish PC validity in the first place, then decide if the word/phrase used was ACTUALLY offensive or derogartory, then establish the offenders intent...how many people has he done that with? | |||
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" What's wrong with people who do good? The term politically correct is used more often by those that aren't than those that are. Says who?
Me why?
Because unless you've went and asked EVERYONE who's used the term...you CAN'T possibly know that, so its another 'assumption'
It's not an assumption without merit though is it?
Well it acually IS without ANY merit what so ever...
He would have to establish PC validity in the first place, then decide if the word/phrase used was ACTUALLY offensive or derogartory, then establish the offenders intent...how many people has he done that with?
"Political Correctness: noun the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against. Generally speaking, extremism is not a trait held in high regard. Therefore, since to be called an extremist can be considered a slur on ones character, as their ability to judge a situation in a fair, balanced and rational way is being questioned... It is quite natural for a person to be offended by such a term and also to want to distance themselves from a term that suggests they are likely to or have previously reacted in an extreme manner when defending people who are socially disadvantaged or are being discriminated against. So, no, there is some merit to the assumption, and a Gallup poll (quite an extreme solution) isn't necessary. | |||
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Me why?
Because unless you've went and asked EVERYONE who's used the term...you CAN'T possibly know that, so its another 'assumption'
It's not an assumption without merit though is it?
Well it acually IS without ANY merit what so ever...
He would have to establish PC validity in the first place, then decide if the word/phrase used was ACTUALLY offensive or derogartory, then establish the offenders intent...how many people has he done that with?
Political Correctness:
noun
the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.
Generally speaking, extremism is not a trait held in high regard. Therefore, since to be called an extremist can be considered a slur on ones character, as their ability to judge a situation in a fair, balanced and rational way is being questioned... It is quite natural for a person to be offended by such a term and also to want to distance themselves from a term that suggests they are likely to or have previously reacted in an extreme manner when defending people who are socially disadvantaged or are being discriminated against.
So, no, there is some merit to the assumption, and a Gallup poll (quite an extreme solution) isn't necessary.
"Where is the merit? You've STILL not shown it!
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" What's wrong with people who do good? The term politically correct is used more often by those that aren't than those that are. Says who?
Me why?
Because unless you've went and asked EVERYONE who's used the term...you CAN'T possibly know that, so its another 'assumption'
It's not an assumption without merit though is it?
Well it acually IS without ANY merit what so ever...
He would have to establish PC validity in the first place, then decide if the word/phrase used was ACTUALLY offensive or derogartory, then establish the offenders intent...how many people has he done that with?
Political Correctness:
noun
the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.
Generally speaking, extremism is not a trait held in high regard. Therefore, since to be called an extremist can be considered a slur on ones character, as their ability to judge a situation in a fair, balanced and rational way is being questioned... It is quite natural for a person to be offended by such a term and also to want to distance themselves from a term that suggests they are likely to or have previously reacted in an extreme manner when defending people who are socially disadvantaged or are being discriminated against.
So, no, there is some merit to the assumption, and a Gallup poll (quite an extreme solution) isn't necessary.
Where is the merit? You've STILL not shown it!
Its still based on assumption! "He actually has but you can't/won't see it. That is less our problem than it is yours really ;-) | |||
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"fransummerparties replying to Licketysplits "We ALL have our sob stories sweetheaart, its called life, the trick is to get on with livin it! " and "Yes they fought for the right for you to NOT take responsibility for yourself, boo hoo, poor me, them bad bullies, stop moaning at others, stand up and help fight! Why should we, if you won't?" I also felt these were personal and offensive remarks and have reported them as such. Is that an assumption on my part too?" Ooh still going then 
Yes these were exactly the examples I myself was talking about earlier. I think the poster is well known for controversial posts though in both current and past profile.
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" What's wrong with people who do good? The term politically correct is used more often by those that aren't than those that are. Says who?
Me why?
Because unless you've went and asked EVERYONE who's used the term...you CAN'T possibly know that, so its another 'assumption'
It's not an assumption without merit though is it?
Well it acually IS without ANY merit what so ever...
He would have to establish PC validity in the first place, then decide if the word/phrase used was ACTUALLY offensive or derogartory, then establish the offenders intent...how many people has he done that with?
Political Correctness:
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the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.
Generally speaking, extremism is not a trait held in high regard. Therefore, since to be called an extremist can be considered a slur on ones character, as their ability to judge a situation in a fair, balanced and rational way is being questioned... It is quite natural for a person to be offended by such a term and also to want to distance themselves from a term that suggests they are likely to or have previously reacted in an extreme manner when defending people who are socially disadvantaged or are being discriminated against.
So, no, there is some merit to the assumption, and a Gallup poll (quite an extreme solution) isn't necessary.
Where is the merit? You've STILL not shown it!
Its still based on assumption! "I cant make it clearer. I'm 'assuming' that unless you have esteem issues, people don't like being insulted, and people who defend the socially disadvantaged (sometimes apparently to extremes) are often referred to as extremists or do-gooders by....people who don't, cos they think such acts of extremism are decisive/stupid/etc It's like, people don't like to be called insane, and will deny it because they dont accept that the characteristics that are being judged as insane and irrational. You end up with the accused stating something like, if being pc/fundamentalist/insane means I care/act on the truth/see the world as it truly is, then so be it. That's quite logically reasonable. Therein lies the merit. I'm sorry you can't understand that. | |||
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"Some are determined to argue about intent and therefore assumption, both are 'red herrings'. If person A is offended by the words or actions of person B then intent is completely irrelevant. If person A intended to offend than that is their choice. If they did not intend offence then they have acted in ignorance. If person A is then 'educated' as to why their action or words caused offence, they then have a choice. Continue to use the action or words that caused offence, but now with intent because they have been educated as to the impact, or change. The choice is their own once educated. Debates on assumptions and intent often just become smokescreens for those who are either embarrassed by their own ignorance or struggle to learn. " | |||
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"Some are determined to argue about intent and therefore assumption, both are 'red herrings'. If person A is offended by the words or actions of person B then intent is completely irrelevant. If person A intended to offend than that is their choice. If they did not intend offence then they have acted in ignorance. If person A is then 'educated' as to why their action or words caused offence, they then have a choice. Continue to use the action or words that caused offence, but now with intent because they have been educated as to the impact, or change. The choice is their own once educated. Debates on assumptions and intent often just become smokescreens for those who are either embarrassed by their own ignorance or struggle to learn. " Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok? | |||
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"Some are determined to argue about intent and therefore assumption, both are 'red herrings'. If person A is offended by the words or actions of person B then intent is completely irrelevant. If person A intended to offend than that is their choice. If they did not intend offence then they have acted in ignorance. If person A is then 'educated' as to why their action or words caused offence, they then have a choice. Continue to use the action or words that caused offence, but now with intent because they have been educated as to the impact, or change. The choice is their own once educated. Debates on assumptions and intent often just become smokescreens for those who are either embarrassed by their own ignorance or struggle to learn. Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok? "Yes I can take offence on behalf of someone else. If a guy at work makes a comment like "they ought to send em all back to bongo bongo land" I find that offensive. Not because it affects me but because it is unacceptable. Not that I expect you to get it! | |||
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"Some are determined to argue about intent and therefore assumption, both are 'red herrings'. If person A is offended by the words or actions of person B then intent is completely irrelevant. If person A intended to offend than that is their choice. If they did not intend offence then they have acted in ignorance. If person A is then 'educated' as to why their action or words caused offence, they then have a choice. Continue to use the action or words that caused offence, but now with intent because they have been educated as to the impact, or change. The choice is their own once educated. Debates on assumptions and intent often just become smokescreens for those who are either embarrassed by their own ignorance or struggle to learn. Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok? "Person D. Fuck him. Discrimination that! Very un-PC. | |||
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" He actually has but you can't/won't see it. That is less our problem than it is yours really ;-)" You couldn't even back up your OWN point, ye wanna have a go quoting his?
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"Some are determined to argue about intent and therefore assumption, both are 'red herrings'. If person A is offended by the words or actions of person B then intent is completely irrelevant. If person A intended to offend than that is their choice. If they did not intend offence then they have acted in ignorance. If person A is then 'educated' as to why their action or words caused offence, they then have a choice. Continue to use the action or words that caused offence, but now with intent because they have been educated as to the impact, or change. The choice is their own once educated. Debates on assumptions and intent often just become smokescreens for those who are either embarrassed by their own ignorance or struggle to learn. Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
Person D. Fuck him.
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"Some are determined to argue about intent and therefore assumption, both are 'red herrings'. If person A is offended by the words or actions of person B then intent is completely irrelevant. If person A intended to offend than that is their choice. If they did not intend offence then they have acted in ignorance. If person A is then 'educated' as to why their action or words caused offence, they then have a choice. Continue to use the action or words that caused offence, but now with intent because they have been educated as to the impact, or change. The choice is their own once educated. Debates on assumptions and intent often just become smokescreens for those who are either embarrassed by their own ignorance or struggle to learn. Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
Yes I can take offence on behalf of someone else.
If a guy at work makes a comment like "they ought to send em all back to bongo bongo land" I find that offensive. Not because it affects me but because it is unacceptable. Not that I expect you to get it! "Well on who's behalf would you be offended...those from bongo bongo land?
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"Some are determined to argue about intent and therefore assumption, both are 'red herrings'. If person A is offended by the words or actions of person B then intent is completely irrelevant. If person A intended to offend than that is their choice. If they did not intend offence then they have acted in ignorance. If person A is then 'educated' as to why their action or words caused offence, they then have a choice. Continue to use the action or words that caused offence, but now with intent because they have been educated as to the impact, or change. The choice is their own once educated. Debates on assumptions and intent often just become smokescreens for those who are either embarrassed by their own ignorance or struggle to learn. Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
Yes I can take offence on behalf of someone else.
If a guy at work makes a comment like "they ought to send em all back to bongo bongo land" I find that offensive. Not because it affects me but because it is unacceptable. Not that I expect you to get it!
Well on who's behalf would you be offended...those from bongo bongo land?
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Yes these were exactly the examples I myself was talking about earlier. I think the poster is well known for controversial posts though in both current and past profile.
Hey ho, so long as the majority are civilised I'm good with that "I'm known for holding my own, when people make assumptions, and see insults when none have been made, I must still be civil, or I wouldn't still be posting! | |||
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"Some are determined to argue about intent and therefore assumption, both are 'red herrings'. If person A is offended by the words or actions of person B then intent is completely irrelevant. If person A intended to offend than that is their choice. If they did not intend offence then they have acted in ignorance. If person A is then 'educated' as to why their action or words caused offence, they then have a choice. Continue to use the action or words that caused offence, but now with intent because they have been educated as to the impact, or change. The choice is their own once educated. Debates on assumptions and intent often just become smokescreens for those who are either embarrassed by their own ignorance or struggle to learn. Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
Yes I can take offence on behalf of someone else.
If a guy at work makes a comment like "they ought to send em all back to bongo bongo land" I find that offensive. Not because it affects me but because it is unacceptable. Not that I expect you to get it!
Well on who's behalf would you be offended...those from bongo bongo land?
Some folk are just waiting to be offended!!
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"Some are determined to argue about intent and therefore assumption, both are 'red herrings'. If person A is offended by the words or actions of person B then intent is completely irrelevant. If person A intended to offend than that is their choice. If they did not intend offence then they have acted in ignorance. If person A is then 'educated' as to why their action or words caused offence, they then have a choice. Continue to use the action or words that caused offence, but now with intent because they have been educated as to the impact, or change. The choice is their own once educated. Debates on assumptions and intent often just become smokescreens for those who are either embarrassed by their own ignorance or struggle to learn. Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
Yes I can take offence on behalf of someone else.
If a guy at work makes a comment like "they ought to send em all back to bongo bongo land" I find that offensive. Not because it affects me but because it is unacceptable. Not that I expect you to get it!
Well on who's behalf would you be offended...those from bongo bongo land?
Some folk are just waiting to be offended!!
Do you have empirical evidence to back up that assumption?
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Nope I have right on my side.
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" Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
What precisely is 'rubbish' about the post?
You have chosen to suggest a different dynamic by introducing person C. You have clearly stated that person C has 'taken offence'. Can you not see that that is sufficient?
If a paedophile says offensive things or acts in an offensive way to a young girl in earshot of an independent adult, should person C have the right to feel naturally offended?
If so what should they do?"I think we're flogging a dead horse to be honest | |||
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" Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
What precisely is 'rubbish' about the post?
You have chosen to suggest a different dynamic by introducing person C. You have clearly stated that person C has 'taken offence'. Can you not see that that is sufficient?
"NO its not! What you saying is that ANY offence will do?
I find overweight people on buses offensive, as their fat sits on MY seat as well as theirs, who has the right to be offended? Me or the overweight person half on my seat?
PC ...isn't that black and white, which is why it can NEVER be assumed! | |||
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" Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
What precisely is 'rubbish' about the post?
You have chosen to suggest a different dynamic by introducing person C. You have clearly stated that person C has 'taken offence'. Can you not see that that is sufficient?
NO its not!
What you saying is that ANY offence will do?
I find overweight people on buses offensive, as their fat sits on MY seat as well as theirs, who has the right to be offended? Me or the overweight person half on my seat?
PC ...isn't that black and white, which is why it can NEVER be assumed! "That's not what he's saying at all. I would spell it out but he's already done that. | |||
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" Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
What precisely is 'rubbish' about the post?
You have chosen to suggest a different dynamic by introducing person C. You have clearly stated that person C has 'taken offence'. Can you not see that that is sufficient?
NO its not!
What you saying is that ANY offence will do?
I find overweight people on buses offensive, as their fat sits on MY seat as well as theirs, who has the right to be offended? Me or the overweight person half on my seat?
PC ...isn't that black and white, which is why it can NEVER be assumed!
That's not what he's saying at all. I would spell it out but he's already done that. "Oh go on then..spell it out.. | |||
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" Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
What precisely is 'rubbish' about the post?
You have chosen to suggest a different dynamic by introducing person C. You have clearly stated that person C has 'taken offence'. Can you not see that that is sufficient?
NO its not!
What you saying is that ANY offence will do?
I find overweight people on buses offensive, as their fat sits on MY seat as well as theirs, who has the right to be offended? Me or the overweight person half on my seat?
PC ...isn't that black and white, which is why it can NEVER be assumed!
That's not what he's saying at all. I would spell it out but he's already done that.
Oh go on then..spell it out.. "As I said before if you don't get it its not my worry really. Sleep well. | |||
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" Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
What precisely is 'rubbish' about the post?
You have chosen to suggest a different dynamic by introducing person C. You have clearly stated that person C has 'taken offence'. Can you not see that that is sufficient?
NO its not!
What you saying is that ANY offence will do?
I find overweight people on buses offensive, as their fat sits on MY seat as well as theirs, who has the right to be offended? Me or the overweight person half on my seat?
PC ...isn't that black and white, which is why it can NEVER be assumed!
That's not what he's saying at all. I would spell it out but he's already done that.
Oh go on then..spell it out..
As I said before if you don't get it its not my worry really.
Sleep well."Can't you find his point either? | |||
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" Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
What precisely is 'rubbish' about the post?
You have chosen to suggest a different dynamic by introducing person C. You have clearly stated that person C has 'taken offence'. Can you not see that that is sufficient?
NO its not!
What you saying is that ANY offence will do?
I find overweight people on buses offensive, as their fat sits on MY seat as well as theirs, who has the right to be offended? Me or the overweight person half on my seat?
PC ...isn't that black and white, which is why it can NEVER be assumed!
That's not what he's saying at all. I would spell it out but he's already done that.
Oh go on then..spell it out..
As I said before if you don't get it its not my worry really.
Sleep well.
Can't you find his point either? "I can find it because I am neither obtuse nor stupid. | |||
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" Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
What precisely is 'rubbish' about the post?
You have chosen to suggest a different dynamic by introducing person C. You have clearly stated that person C has 'taken offence'. Can you not see that that is sufficient?
NO its not!
What you saying is that ANY offence will do?
I find overweight people on buses offensive, as their fat sits on MY seat as well as theirs, who has the right to be offended? Me or the overweight person half on my seat?
PC ...isn't that black and white, which is why it can NEVER be assumed! "Lol, what an enlightening example!! Do you find overweight people who steal part of your seat offensive exclusively, or would you be equally offended by somebody who sat with their legs open really wife so as to encroach on your part of the seat too??? You ask, who has the right to be offended. I wonder, why should the overweight individual be offended at all??? They've seemingly got half a seat extra for free... On the other hand you've been cheated...someone on the bus will clearly see that and may be offended on your behalf because they've identified an injustice. If you also feel there's an injustice, the issue will have legs...if you didn't care, the issue would die. | |||
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"Some are determined to argue about intent and therefore assumption, both are 'red herrings'. If person A is offended by the words or actions of person B then intent is completely irrelevant. If person A intended to offend than that is their choice. If they did not intend offence then they have acted in ignorance. If person A is then 'educated' as to why their action or words caused offence, they then have a choice. Continue to use the action or words that caused offence, but now with intent because they have been educated as to the impact, or change. The choice is their own once educated. Debates on assumptions and intent often just become smokescreens for those who are either embarrassed by their own ignorance or struggle to learn. Rubbish....in most cases..person B hasn't even been consulted...person C has taken offence on their behalf...still ok?
Yes I can take offence on behalf of someone else.
If a guy at work makes a comment like "they ought to send em all back to bongo bongo land" I find that offensive. Not because it affects me but because it is unacceptable. Not that I expect you to get it!
Well on who's behalf would you be offended...those from bongo bongo land?
Some folk are just waiting to be offended!! "Are they really?? Is there really a PC brigade, where a group of unrelated unconnected people suffer a condition whereby they always see or look for issues where non exist...?? Is it always the same group of people? Is that a logical and sensible assumption for you to make? Is it as sensible or does it have as much merit as me assuming that since PC is considered an offensive term, people who considered themselves pro active supporters of the disadvantaged would distance themselves from the term? And naturally since its an offensive term, it's likely to be used as an insult, by people who aren't or don't consider themselves PC? That's what I though too. | |||
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" Some folk are just waiting to be offended!!
Are they really??
Is there really a PC brigade, where a group of unrelated unconnected people suffer a condition whereby they always see or look for issues where non exist...??
Is it always the same group of people?
Is that a logical and sensible assumption for you to make?
Is it as sensible or does it have as much merit as me assuming that since PC is considered an offensive term, people who considered themselves pro active supporters of the disadvantaged would distance themselves from the term?
And naturally since its an offensive term, it's likely to be used as an insult, by people who aren't or don't consider themselves PC?
That's what I though too.
"I never said they "look" for issues, I said they wait to be offended.... and its not an insult to be called PC, if yer not, its simply an incorrect assumption! | |||
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"If it's politically correct to avoid discriminating against someone based on their gender, race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation and disability, then I am." | |||
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" I never said they "look" for issues, I said they wait to be offended.... and its not an insult to be called PC, if yer not, its simply an incorrect assumption!" The term PC is most commonly used as a put down as a way of belittling a particular policy as being too extreme or ridiculous. That is how it was coined that is how it is used. Feel free to argue the toss. I have every confidence in your abilities to do so however misguided that may be. Please have the last word. | |||
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" I never said they "look" for issues, I said they wait to be offended.... and its not an insult to be called PC, if yer not, its simply an incorrect assumption! The term PC is most commonly used as a put down as a way of belittling a particular policy as being too extreme or ridiculous. That is how it was coined that is how it is used. Feel free to argue the toss. I have every confidence in your abilities to do so however misguided that may be. Please have the last word. " I agree with you and was under the impression, too that th term "pc" in todays linguistic use is somewhat pejorative. It should not be but it feels as if it is. | |||
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" The term PC is most commonly used as a put down as a way of belittling a particular policy as being too extreme or ridiculous. That is how it was coined that is how it is used. I agree with you and was under the impression, too that th term "pc" in todays linguistic use is somewhat pejorative. It should not be but it feels as if it is. "Sorry, I meant I agree with that part | |||
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" Some folk are just waiting to be offended!!
Are they really??
Is there really a PC brigade, where a group of unrelated unconnected people suffer a condition whereby they always see or look for issues where non exist...??
Is it always the same group of people?
Is that a logical and sensible assumption for you to make?
Is it as sensible or does it have as much merit as me assuming that since PC is considered an offensive term, people who considered themselves pro active supporters of the disadvantaged would distance themselves from the term?
And naturally since its an offensive term, it's likely to be used as an insult, by people who aren't or don't consider themselves PC?
That's what I though too.
I never said they "look" for issues, I said they wait to be offended....
and its not an insult to be called PC, if yer not, its simply an incorrect assumption!"Oh sorry, I'll modify since semantics are so important... Are they really?? Is there really a PC brigade, where a group of unrelated unconnected people suffer a condition whereby they always waiting to be offended when no offence exists or was intended...?? Is it always the same group of people? What's the reason for this behaviour? Is that a logical and sensible assumption for you to make? The term is an insult, if the definition suggests it is. It might be untrue, but quite often hurlers of insults aren't to fussed about the accuracy of what they're saying. What do you assume it's not? What's your reasoning behind that? Hmm. | |||
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