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"A professional is someone trying to get a shag and hoping that title will help! " Perhaps I should raise my ambitions and rename myself, Baroness Tina Titz, lady of Booby Manor. I decided not to go for Dame, that is so last (panto) season | |||
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"A professional is someone trying to get a shag and hoping that title will help! " Does it ever help? | |||
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"Bodie and Doyle were the professionals. " | |||
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"A professional is someone trying to get a shag and hoping that title will help! Does it ever help?" Of course! As long as your a sexy, intelligent and fun professional. | |||
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" Although seem to have missed the oldest profession on earth... " Bullshitters? | |||
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" Although seem to have missed the oldest profession on earth... Bullshitters?" That would certainly explain the prevalence on here.. | |||
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"Why the need to point out what a person does for a living...does it make them feel more of a person than their fellow people? Sometimes it seems rude & is said in a way to make others think that are not good enough. This is a swinging site where you leave the social standing politics at the door...we are all the same naked. " I can't see why anyone would be bothered. If people want to declare their status and if it helps them find what they're looking for good for them. As for leaving 'social standing' at the door - I disagree. | |||
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"Its anyone who earns money through their profession, some while get above their station & say different but that's it in a nutshell." exactly this think the op may be getting above his loooooook at me | |||
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"Bodie and Doyle were the professionals. " lmao | |||
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"Why the need to point out what a person does for a living...does it make them feel more of a person than their fellow people? Sometimes it seems rude & is said in a way to make others think that are not good enough. This is a swinging site where you leave the social standing politics at the door...we are all the same naked. " I quite agree with you that in swinging and in social activities that include swinging it really should not matter what somebody does for a living and if they qualify as "professional" or not. That said, there is an element of seeking out people with whom you are somewhat likely to feel compatible at some level and while I personally would be happy to meet any nice person whatever they do for a living....I also recognise that I would need something in common with them, something to chat about etc in order to enjoy ensuing playtimes. I am more likely to be compatible with somebody who is intelligent and has an open outlook on life (degree holder, professional or not) than with a TV watching couch potato. Now the question remains whether the status "professional" is linked to intelligence and and interesting personality...? | |||
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"A professional is someone trying to get a shag and hoping that title will help! " Very true! | |||
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"A professional is someone trying to get a shag and hoping that title will help! Very true! " I agree as well to an extent - it certainly would not attract me more to the person if that was in their profile. | |||
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"Now the question remains whether the status "professional" is linked to intelligence and and interesting personality...? " Unquestionably no. And I can't think of anything worse than sitting about naked discussing work all evening. However I think it's nonsense to pretend that people don't tend to seek out company they're comfortable with and intelligence, education and career are all important - for those that find them important. And not so, for those that don't. | |||
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"Why the need to point out what a person does for a living...does it make them feel more of a person than their fellow people? Sometimes it seems rude & is said in a way to make others think that are not good enough. This is a swinging site where you leave the social standing politics at the door...we are all the same naked. I quite agree with you that in swinging and in social activities that include swinging it really should not matter what somebody does for a living and if they qualify as "professional" or not. That said, there is an element of seeking out people with whom you are somewhat likely to feel compatible at some level and while I personally would be happy to meet any nice person whatever they do for a living....I also recognise that I would need something in common with them, something to chat about etc in order to enjoy ensuing playtimes. I am more likely to be compatible with somebody who is intelligent and has an open outlook on life (degree holder, professional or not) than with a TV watching couch potato. Now the question remains whether the status "professional" is linked to intelligence and and interesting personality...? " im a tv watching couch potato and we would get on great love you aphro | |||
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"the use of the word usually causes a huge huff and puff from people, a lot of wasted energy. if they ain't for you, move on. the constant need to critique others is staggering " | |||
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"Now the question remains whether the status "professional" is linked to intelligence and and interesting personality...? Unquestionably no. And I can't think of anything worse than sitting about naked discussing work all evening. However I think it's nonsense to pretend that people don't tend to seek out company they're comfortable with and intelligence, education and career are all important - for those that find them important. And not so, for those that don't." this maybe so, but the question is what makes you a professional? and the fact is, if you are paid for something that you do for a living,you are a professional in that field surely. | |||
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"Now the question remains whether the status "professional" is linked to intelligence and and interesting personality...? Unquestionably no. And I can't think of anything worse than sitting about naked discussing work all evening. However I think it's nonsense to pretend that people don't tend to seek out company they're comfortable with and intelligence, education and career are all important - for those that find them important. And not so, for those that don't. this maybe so, but the question is what makes you a professional? and the fact is, if you are paid for something that you do for a living,you are a professional in that field surely. " If you want to define it so, then yes. Though I disagree. If you want the more generally accepted list it's as above. There are no doubt several more definitions that people will throw in. Seems to me that the people who are most bothered, are those supposedly least interested. | |||
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"Now the question remains whether the status "professional" is linked to intelligence and and interesting personality...? Unquestionably no. And I can't think of anything worse than sitting about naked discussing work all evening. However I think it's nonsense to pretend that people don't tend to seek out company they're comfortable with and intelligence, education and career are all important - for those that find them important. And not so, for those that don't. this maybe so, but the question is what makes you a professional? and the fact is, if you are paid for something that you do for a living,you are a professional in that field surely. If you want to define it so, then yes. Though I disagree. If you want the more generally accepted list it's as above. There are no doubt several more definitions that people will throw in. Seems to me that the people who are most bothered, are those supposedly least interested." I don't disagree with the list, its those figures in society generally are seen as professionals, doesnt mean its correct definition though. | |||
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"Why the need to point out what a person does for a living...does it make them feel more of a person than their fellow people? Sometimes it seems rude & is said in a way to make others think that are not good enough. This is a swinging site where you leave the social standing politics at the door...we are all the same naked. I can't see why anyone would be bothered. If people want to declare their status and if it helps them find what they're looking for good for them. As for leaving 'social standing' at the door - I disagree." If we were to put John was a multi award winning professional photographer / film maker with 2 film of the years under his belt & me a professional award winning porn star who has been given red carpet treatment in Hedo & Fun4Two & many UK clubs because of my job...how many would seriously want to meet us lol! Most people tone down their personal skills not to sound to uppity, we are here to swing not do business with the people we meet so social standing goes out the window as its good friendship & naughty sex we are after. | |||
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"Well you can carry a stick and call yourself a wizard. Doesn't mean others will agree." lol i am a wizard a professional wizard and its a wand i use | |||
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"Why the need to point out what a person does for a living...does it make them feel more of a person than their fellow people? Sometimes it seems rude & is said in a way to make others think that are not good enough. This is a swinging site where you leave the social standing politics at the door...we are all the same naked. I can't see why anyone would be bothered. If people want to declare their status and if it helps them find what they're looking for good for them. As for leaving 'social standing' at the door - I disagree. If we were to put John was a multi award winning professional photographer / film maker with 2 film of the years under his belt & me a professional award winning porn star who has been given red carpet treatment in Hedo & Fun4Two & many UK clubs because of my job...how many would seriously want to meet us lol! Most people tone down their personal skills not to sound to uppity, we are here to swing not do business with the people we meet so social standing goes out the window as its good friendship & naughty sex we are after. " I don't see any difference between you blowing your own trumpets and others doing so, other than that perhaps one has a snob value that you personally dislike. If so ignore them. | |||
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"Well you can carry a stick and call yourself a wizard. Doesn't mean others will agree. lol i am a wizard a professional wizard and its a wand i use " Then you most certainly are | |||
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"Well you can carry a stick and call yourself a wizard. Doesn't mean others will agree. lol i am a wizard a professional wizard and its a wand i use Then you most certainly are " lol | |||
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"Why the need to point out what a person does for a living...does it make them feel more of a person than their fellow people? Sometimes it seems rude & is said in a way to make others think that are not good enough. This is a swinging site where you leave the social standing politics at the door...we are all the same naked. I can't see why anyone would be bothered. If people want to declare their status and if it helps them find what they're looking for good for them. As for leaving 'social standing' at the door - I disagree. If we were to put John was a multi award winning professional photographer / film maker with 2 film of the years under his belt & me a professional award winning porn star who has been given red carpet treatment in Hedo & Fun4Two & many UK clubs because of my job...how many would seriously want to meet us lol! Most people tone down their personal skills not to sound to uppity, we are here to swing not do business with the people we meet so social standing goes out the window as its good friendship & naughty sex we are after. I don't see any difference between you blowing your own trumpets and others doing so, other than that perhaps one has a snob value that you personally dislike. If so ignore them." No we are simply showing loads of people would not put that they are Professionals, some people will overlook others who might even be of an higher social status due to their own snobbery & miss out on some nice people... | |||
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"We don't put any reference to our careers, or our award winning cookery, membership of prestigious bodies, subscription to Kitchen Garden magazine. But I don't have a chip on my shoulder for anybody that does choose to display such fine taste and achievements." We are here to meet nice people regardless of profession or status & we agree with you Professional statue whatever it might be is not welcomed by the status quo but is tolerated. We put what we did to show how vulgar it sounds & to show how it puts off most people. Its a swinging site which sadly as been put into social divisions. | |||
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"Why the need to point out what a person does for a living...does it make them feel more of a person than their fellow people? Sometimes it seems rude & is said in a way to make others think that are not good enough. This is a swinging site where you leave the social standing politics at the door...we are all the same naked. I quite agree with you that in swinging and in social activities that include swinging it really should not matter what somebody does for a living and if they qualify as "professional" or not. That said, there is an element of seeking out people with whom you are somewhat likely to feel compatible at some level and while I personally would be happy to meet any nice person whatever they do for a living....I also recognise that I would need something in common with them, something to chat about etc in order to enjoy ensuing playtimes. I am more likely to be compatible with somebody who is intelligent and has an open outlook on life (degree holder, professional or not) than with a TV watching couch potato. Now the question remains whether the status "professional" is linked to intelligence and and interesting personality...? im a tv watching couch potato and we would get on great love you aphro " Ace | |||
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"... I work for one of the big for professional services aka accounting firms as a Management consultant... " Did you mean "big FOUR" | |||
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"Hmmmm not sure. Do you wear Y fronts? And those braces for socks ? " Sock suspenders? They're brilliant. | |||
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"I haven't read all the thread & i'm sorry to be picky but i like the OP's post that started this off - ... I work for one of the big for professional services aka accounting firms as a Management consultant... Did you mean "big FOUR" " need say no more | |||
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" Its a swinging site which sadly as been put into social divisions." Agreed but then this is also true for other clubs and associations... they have an initial purpose, a common ground for people to gather for a shared interest but inevitably other influences (including social status) guide people's choices of whom they befriend and with whom they socialise beyond the club. It is human nature | |||
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"Its anyone who earns money through their profession, some while get above their station & say different but that's it in a nutshell." No it's not. People often make the mistake between a recognised profession and doing a job professionally. A bin man takes pride and does his job professionally and gets paid but he is not in a profession. | |||
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" To be even more blunt - no Jeremy Kyle types." Do you mean the people on the show or Jeremy Kyle himself? Just curious. | |||
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" To be even more blunt - no Jeremy Kyle types. Do you mean the people on the show or Jeremy Kyle himself? Just curious." Both in our case but I was implying the audience in the general sense! | |||
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" Its a swinging site which sadly as been put into social divisions. Agreed but then this is also true for other clubs and associations... they have an initial purpose, a common ground for people to gather for a shared interest but inevitably other influences (including social status) guide people's choices of whom they befriend and with whom they socialise beyond the club. It is human nature" You are not wrong in what you say but we can think of 3 regular parties & clubs which have shut because of people being cliquey. Are we weird then for meeting all types of people regardless of social status, And we don't appreciate how meeting just "professional" person/s could elevate our lives even more...just kidding lol! | |||
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"It's pretty obvious that people who put 'professionals only' are politely saying they don't want to meet chavs (rich or poor) and want people who behave in a socially acceptable and polite way. Therefore an unemployed musician, plumber or doctor could fit the professional tag if they behaved civilised. To be even more blunt - no Jeremy Kyle types." That would be closer to my understanding of the use of the term on here. I'd also add that even at naked clubs there are moments where social divisions can be very stark. | |||
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" Its a swinging site which sadly as been put into social divisions. Agreed but then this is also true for other clubs and associations... they have an initial purpose, a common ground for people to gather for a shared interest but inevitably other influences (including social status) guide people's choices of whom they befriend and with whom they socialise beyond the club. It is human nature You are not wrong in what you say but we can think of 3 regular parties & clubs which have shut because of people being cliquey. Are we weird then for meeting all types of people regardless of social status, And we don't appreciate how meeting just "professional" person/s could elevate our lives even more...just kidding lol!" I dont think you are weird at all. We all make choices regarding what we want from the scene... and for some people it is about sex with others, no more no less. For others it is about socialising and even friendship. There is no right or wrong in what you choose and I would not criticise anybody for their choices... I would simply choose whether I would want to meet them or not. PS I personally like a real ecclectic mix of people as it makes life more interesting and colourful. | |||
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" I'd also add that even at naked clubs there are moments where social divisions can be very stark." Absolutely agreewith you - as social differences transcend clothes and status symbols. | |||
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"I work for one of the big for professional services aka accounting firms as a Management consultant. I have a degree but no post graduate qualification. I wear a suit but no tie to work. Am I in a profession?" Now you've done it! Only barebackers get derided more on these forums. The inverted snobs loathe professionals. | |||
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"God forbid anyone who claims to be a professional on here. They'll be strung up for being too up themselves. " ...oh isn't that the truth! | |||
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" Its a swinging site which sadly as been put into social divisions. Agreed but then this is also true for other clubs and associations... they have an initial purpose, a common ground for people to gather for a shared interest but inevitably other influences (including social status) guide people's choices of whom they befriend and with whom they socialise beyond the club. It is human nature You are not wrong in what you say but we can think of 3 regular parties & clubs which have shut because of people being cliquey. Are we weird then for meeting all types of people regardless of social status, And we don't appreciate how meeting just "professional" person/s could elevate our lives even more...just kidding lol!I dont think you are weird at all. We all make choices regarding what we want from the scene... and for some people it is about sex with others, no more no less. For others it is about socialising and even friendship. There is no right or wrong in what you choose and I would not criticise anybody for their choices... I would simply choose whether I would want to meet them or not. PS I personally like a real ecclectic mix of people as it makes life more interesting and colourful. " We go for friendship over the sex any day & have friends ranging from so called council chavs to government ministers, last year among our fun we enjoyed a black tie do in Surrey as much as having a bag of chips & a cuppa in Southend...its the company that's stimulating not the job title. | |||
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"God forbid anyone who claims to be a professional on here. They'll be strung up for being too up themselves. ...oh isn't that the truth!" It's the same for people who who are not professional, god forbid if you live on a council estate lol! | |||
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"I had to go check my own profile and see if I use the 'professional' word. I do. Sorry! I am in a profession (one of those listed earlier in this thread) and I suppose I want people to know this. I'm not exactly sure why.... However, I must say it's made little difference to who I've played with over the years. Have ended up in well-to-do suburbs and edge of town council estates. Both places have offered up lovely people and fun times. " the word professional and "i have a decent sized cock"!! shouldn't really be seen in the same paragraph don't go together in many ways | |||
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"Does profession make any difference anyway? we have swinging friends ranging from people on benefits to others that are multi millionaires, all have been lovely people where money, status, title have made no difference. Its a confidence thing that makes people aim towards a certain criteria. " I was here to meet people for sex. Whether they played rugby, were soldiers, drove a Ferrari, spent ten hours in the gym every day wasn't of importance to me, but that's how some people choose to sell themselves to meet like minded people. If someone puts "professional" on their profile who am I to rib them for doing so. If I see "gym bunny" I take a bite out of my Mr Kipling and move onto the next one as they're obviously so not looking for me. People can use it as a filter instead of always having digs at how others choose to attract playmates. | |||
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"the use of the word usually causes a huge huff and puff from people, a lot of wasted energy. if they ain't for you, move on. the constant need to critique others is staggering " Lots with inferiority complexes that's why. | |||
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"We don't put any reference to our careers, or our award winning cookery, membership of prestigious bodies, subscription to Kitchen Garden magazine. But I don't have a chip on my shoulder for anybody that does choose to display such fine taste and achievements." | |||
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"the use of the word usually causes a huge huff and puff from people, a lot of wasted energy. if they ain't for you, move on. the constant need to critique others is staggering Lots with inferiority complexes that's why." | |||
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"In all the years I have been here I have never seen any comments slagging off people who live in a council house. Never. Albeit, I may have missed them. " http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/166563 | |||
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"Inverted snobbery is quite common on FAB, as can be demonstrated time and time again every time this subject matter is discussed. " | |||
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"the use of the word usually causes a huge huff and puff from people, a lot of wasted energy. if they ain't for you, move on. the constant need to critique others is staggering Lots with inferiority complexes that's why. " We did notice this lol! | |||
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"God forbid anyone who claims to be a professional on here. They'll be strung up for being too up themselves. ...oh isn't that the truth! It's the same for people who who are not professional, god forbid if you live on a council estate lol! " Up until recently I was both a professional and lived on a council estate. | |||
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"A professional is someone trying to get a shag and hoping that title will help! " | |||
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"In all the years I have been here I have never seen any comments slagging off people who live in a council house. Never. Albeit, I may have missed them. " I think we've been around for about the same time and I've not seen one either! | |||
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"I work for one of the big for professional services aka accounting firms as a Management consultant. I have a degree but no post graduate qualification. I wear a suit but no tie to work. Am I in a profession?" I don't understand what/why people add it to profiles, is it a case of 'oohh look at what we do/have' | |||
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"God forbid anyone who claims to be a professional on here. They'll be strung up for being too up themselves. ...oh isn't that the truth! It's the same for people who who are not professional, god forbid if you live on a council estate lol! Up until recently I was both a professional and lived on a council estate. " We are still professionals who live on a council estate, suppose that's why we find snobbery or inverted snobbery as low as each other. We meet anyone despite their social standing unlike some others who use barriers for a safety net due to lack of social skills. Pretty it up all you want no one finds snobbery attractive...as you guys must have found out. | |||
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"God forbid anyone who claims to be a professional on here. They'll be strung up for being too up themselves. ...oh isn't that the truth! It's the same for people who who are not professional, god forbid if you live on a council estate lol! Up until recently I was both a professional and lived on a council estate. We are still professionals who live on a council estate, suppose that's why we find snobbery or inverted snobbery as low as each other. We meet anyone despite their social standing unlike some others who use barriers for a safety net due to lack of social skills. Pretty it up all you want no one finds snobbery attractive...as you guys must have found out. " If you are professionals are you not concerned at being struck off if your other work is brought to notice? | |||
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"God forbid anyone who claims to be a professional on here. They'll be strung up for being too up themselves. ...oh isn't that the truth! It's the same for people who who are not professional, god forbid if you live on a council estate lol! Up until recently I was both a professional and lived on a council estate. We are still professionals who live on a council estate, suppose that's why we find snobbery or inverted snobbery as low as each other. We meet anyone despite their social standing unlike some others who use barriers for a safety net due to lack of social skills. Pretty it up all you want no one finds snobbery attractive...as you guys must have found out. " I don't think people use it as a barrier for a safety net due to lack of social skills. I think that is an unfair judgement. | |||
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"I work for one of the big for professional services aka accounting firms as a Management consultant. I have a degree but no post graduate qualification. I wear a suit but no tie to work. Am I in a profession?" I would love to work for the 'oldest profession'... | |||
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"God forbid anyone who claims to be a professional on here. They'll be strung up for being too up themselves. ...oh isn't that the truth! It's the same for people who who are not professional, god forbid if you live on a council estate lol! Up until recently I was both a professional and lived on a council estate. We are still professionals who live on a council estate, suppose that's why we find snobbery or inverted snobbery as low as each other. We meet anyone despite their social standing unlike some others who use barriers for a safety net due to lack of social skills. Pretty it up all you want no one finds snobbery attractive...as you guys must have found out. If you are professionals are you not concerned at being struck off if your other work is brought to notice?" No the council knows we work from home & have a studio in the back garden. they had to check it for health & safety. | |||
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"God forbid anyone who claims to be a professional on here. They'll be strung up for being too up themselves. ...oh isn't that the truth! It's the same for people who who are not professional, god forbid if you live on a council estate lol! Up until recently I was both a professional and lived on a council estate. We are still professionals who live on a council estate, suppose that's why we find snobbery or inverted snobbery as low as each other. We meet anyone despite their social standing unlike some others who use barriers for a safety net due to lack of social skills. Pretty it up all you want no one finds snobbery attractive...as you guys must have found out. I don't think people use it as a barrier for a safety net due to lack of social skills. I think that is an unfair judgement. " Yes sorry that was unfair, but some on this thread are so up themselves. | |||
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"I haven't noticed any comment that I'd consider 'up themselves'. Depends on your own outlook I guess." True...we can see some people will have a hard job on here looking for that perfect meet, we wish them all the best despite their insecurities. | |||
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"I haven't read all the thread & i'm sorry to be picky but i like the OP's post that started this off - ... I work for one of the big for professional services aka accounting firms as a Management consultant... Did you mean "big FOUR" " Lol - I think that about sums it up . I'd love to say that typo was ironic but am too honest | |||
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"God forbid anyone who claims to be a professional on here. They'll be strung up for being too up themselves. ...oh isn't that the truth! It's the same for people who who are not professional, god forbid if you live on a council estate lol! Up until recently I was both a professional and lived on a council estate. We are still professionals who live on a council estate, suppose that's why we find snobbery or inverted snobbery as low as each other. We meet anyone despite their social standing unlike some others who use barriers for a safety net due to lack of social skills. Pretty it up all you want no one finds snobbery attractive...as you guys must have found out. I don't think people use it as a barrier for a safety net due to lack of social skills. I think that is an unfair judgement. Yes sorry that was unfair, but some on this thread are so up themselves." I have briefly looked through the thread and didn't spot this. What post/s were you referring to? | |||
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" Teachers " 2 questions: 1/ When did Teachers become professionals? 2/ What is their professional body? | |||
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" Teachers 2 questions: 1/ When did Teachers become professionals? 2/ What is their professional body?" 1. No idea 2. It was the GTC until recently. Why? Does it bother you? | |||
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" Teachers 2 questions: 1/ When did Teachers become professionals? 2/ What is their professional body?" Teachers became professionals when they had to do a post graduate qualification - so for several decades at least. Their professional body us the GTC as has been said. | |||
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" Academics Accountants Actuaries Architects Clergymen Dentists Economists Engineers Language professionals Lawyers Nurses Pharmacists Physicians Physiotherapists Psychologists Scientists Social workers Statisticians Surgeons Surveyors Teachers Urban Planners Apparently. Although seem to have missed the oldest profession on earth... " Wahayyy im a Professional Do i get a Shag now ? Gary | |||
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" Teachers 2 questions: 1/ When did Teachers become professionals? 2/ What is their professional body? Teachers became professionals when they had to do a post graduate qualification - so for several decades at least. Their professional body us the GTC as has been said. " 4 subsidiary questions: 1/ When did having a post graduate qualification make you a professional? (I was always under the impression that the definition of a professional was that you had to be a member of an independent professional body, such as the RCN, RCP, RCS or the RICS to work in the profession.) 2/ When did the General Teaching Council stop being a government regulatory body and become an independent professional body? 3/ And why are teachers represented by Trade Unions if they are professionals? (Professionals are represented by their professional bodies?) 4/ Why do teachers continually claim to be professionals when clearly they are not? (A big hint being they are represented by trade unions.) | |||
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"Why the need to point out what a person does for a living...does it make them feel more of a person than their fellow people? Sometimes it seems rude & is said in a way to make others think that are not good enough. This is a swinging site where you leave the social standing politics at the door...we are all the same naked. " | |||
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" Academics Accountants Actuaries Architects Clergymen Dentists Economists Engineers Language professionals Lawyers Nurses Pharmacists Physicians Physiotherapists Psychologists Scientists Social workers Statisticians Surgeons Surveyors Teachers Urban Planners Apparently. Although seem to have missed the oldest profession on earth... " A profession is a job/field that requires formal, recognised and accredited qualifications in order to gain entry and operate legally in it. It requires more than a certificate from somone saying you are 'trained'. That's why there needs ti be a formal, nationally recognised body dishing out the qualifications. See the list above. The list is not exhaustive but most other roles would be classed as a 'trade', even if you are bloody good at it. Teachers (state, at least) do require govt qualification (BEd or PGCE). Then it requires them to pass a year of supervision in the job before the Dept of Education grants Qualified Teacher status (QTS). Those that teach without it are referred (on paper at least) as 'non-professional' teachers. This is different from being sn 'unprofessional' teacher. The fact they have union protection is a misnomer. Don't get hung up on the name. It is because these professions used to have status (1950s) that other jobs/trades aspired to be like them and so the meaning of the word morphed to imply anyone doing a thorough and good job. Nothing wrong with that. The fact someone is paid to do a job is differentiated from 'amateur' using the word, but it is in a different context, and still refers to the fact that the person is expected to do a better job than an amateur- we're back to the aspirational thing. Footballers aren't true professionals as they don't need a qualification to practice, although they are a darn sight better than me!!! | |||
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" Teachers 2 questions: 1/ When did Teachers become professionals? 2/ What is their professional body? Teachers became professionals when they had to do a post graduate qualification - so for several decades at least. Their professional body us the GTC as has been said. 4 subsidiary questions: 1/ When did having a post graduate qualification make you a professional? (I was always under the impression that the definition of a professional was that you had to be a member of an independent professional body, such as the RCN, RCP, RCS or the RICS to work in the profession.) 2/ When did the General Teaching Council stop being a government regulatory body and become an independent professional body? 3/ And why are teachers represented by Trade Unions if they are professionals? (Professionals are represented by their professional bodies?) 4/ Why do teachers continually claim to be professionals when clearly they are not? (A big hint being they are represented by trade unions.)" It is precisely because the govt itself (dept of education) WAS the regulatory body, and as such subject to a lack of independence that a union had to be formed. The govt did't like the unions so invented the GTC. This was a failure. The govt was controlling the GTC so it was not as independent as the BMC. It was fairly toothless, it could not create policy or implement changes. All it could really do was sack teachers. It was a puppet organisation, a front. The BMC has a lot more say over doctors' practices and regulations. If doctors had michael gove calling the shots (as an ex-jounalist he's as qualified to do that as he is to run teaching) they would form a union pretty sharpish! | |||
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" 4 subsidiary questions: 1/ When did having a post graduate qualification make you a professional? (I was always under the impression that the definition of a professional was that you had to be a member of an independent professional body, such as the RCN, RCP, RCS or the RICS to work in the profession.) " Almost correct. You do have to be a 'member'. How do you do that? By getting qualified. They won't let you in without the qualification. So the qually isn't the ticket to being a professional but it opens an otherwise locked door. | |||
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" Teachers 2 questions: 1/ When did Teachers become professionals? 2/ What is their professional body? Teachers became professionals when they had to do a post graduate qualification - so for several decades at least. Their professional body us the GTC as has been said. 4 subsidiary questions: 1/ When did having a post graduate qualification make you a professional? (I was always under the impression that the definition of a professional was that you had to be a member of an independent professional body, such as the RCN, RCP, RCS or the RICS to work in the profession.) 2/ When did the General Teaching Council stop being a government regulatory body and become an independent professional body? 3/ And why are teachers represented by Trade Unions if they are professionals? (Professionals are represented by their professional bodies?) 4/ Why do teachers continually claim to be professionals when clearly they are not? (A big hint being they are represented by trade unions.) It is precisely because the govt itself (dept of education) WAS the regulatory body, and as such subject to a lack of independence that a union had to be formed. The govt did't like the unions so invented the GTC. This was a failure. The govt was controlling the GTC so it was not as independent as the BMC. It was fairly toothless, it could not create policy or implement changes. All it could really do was sack teachers. It was a puppet organisation, a front. The BMC has a lot more say over doctors' practices and regulations. If doctors had michael gove calling the shots (as an ex-jounalist he's as qualified to do that as he is to run teaching) they would form a union pretty sharpish!" Just a minor correction, the BMC is not a professional body it is the regulating body of the medical professions. The Professional bodies are the Royal College of Surgeons, Royal College of Physicians etc. Regulating bodies and professional bodies are not the same things although some professional bodies are also regulating bodies. One other point is I cant think of a single professional body that does not have a royal charter. | |||
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"A qualified professional is someone who has completed a professional degree in one or more profession. The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform the role of that profession. In addition, most professionals are subject to strict codes of conduct enshrining rigorous ethical and moral obligations. Professional standards of practice and ethics for a particular field are typically agreed upon and maintained through widely recognized professional associations."" So a non professional does not have morals, codes of conduct, ethics...what planet are you on to believe this, because someone as had a better advantage in life & some not it doesn't give them a better moral integrity above others. | |||
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"A qualified professional is someone who has completed a professional degree in one or more profession. The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform the role of that profession. In addition, most professionals are subject to strict codes of conduct enshrining rigorous ethical and moral obligations. Professional standards of practice and ethics for a particular field are typically agreed upon and maintained through widely recognized professional associations." So a non professional does not have morals, codes of conduct, ethics...what planet are you on to believe this, because someone as had a better advantage in life & some not it doesn't give them a better moral integrity above others. " No where does it say that others have no morals. And it is not about better advantages in life. I came from a very poor working class background. I was a single parent surviving on minimum wage. I worked very hard to get my degree. I am the only member of my family to go to university. Does that make me better than them? Not in my mind or theirs. None of us have ever had a problem with it. It was simply a means to an end. To go into my chosen employment I needed particular qualifications so I went and got them. Some people beyond the family were quite confrontational about it and treated me very differently afterwards. Some even said I had 'got above my station'. They felt I had somehow betrayed my class. I never understood that attitude. | |||
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" I fail to see where the big hang up is ? If someone described themselves as clean, do we take umbrage at this and accuse them of thinking their cleanliness is better than others ? Let everyone describe themselves as how they wish to, and you as individuals form an opinion should you meet them. I do find it disconcerting though, the amount of ill feeling there is towards people who by luck, effort or others misfortune, are doing well in life. Best of luck to you if you're doing well in life. There's no point in being bitter towards people when they've simply achieved what you want ?" We have never once knocked professional people only tried to understand why some of them think they are different or have different ethics, lots of people we know have done equally well in life qualifications or not. Its not about who is best educated or has letters after their name but common decency & moral integrity that makes the person. And even though we have been "lucky in life" as you describe we are still down to earth people, and even though we might have achieved a lot in life there as never been bitterness either way as we address everyone as equals. | |||
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"We have never once knocked professional people" ...unless they have the temerity to display their status or state their preference for meeting similar! Why does it bother you so much? I've never ever found it to be offensive in any way. | |||
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"We have never once knocked professional people ...unless they have the temerity to display their status or state their preference for meeting similar! Why does it bother you so much? I've never ever found it to be offensive in any way." It just seems a needless thing to have to state on a profile but if it makes them feel special then so be it. | |||
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"A professional is someone trying to get a shag and hoping that title will help! " luv it ! lol | |||
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"A professional is someone trying to get a shag and hoping that title will help! luv it ! lol" Like William and Harry? | |||
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"We have never once knocked professional people ...unless they have the temerity to display their status or state their preference for meeting similar! Why does it bother you so much? I've never ever found it to be offensive in any way. It just seems a needless thing to have to state on a profile but if it makes them feel special then so be it." Perhaps they're trying to portray an attractive image to like minded people? Just like a job cv, it may attract like minded people ? They may well write it thinking its what others will find attractive as opposed to it being advertised as a status. Ultimately its down to how we portray it and personal choice. I'd find it more attractive than a profile with graphic representations of what they want. You pays your money and takes your choice. What others do or write isn't anyone else's business if noones being harmed or genuinely offended. | |||
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"It's usually possible to tell from someone's profile or their contributions to the forums (fora?) whether a member is a 'professional' in any generally accepted sense of the word." You can certainly tell when they're highly unlikely to be. | |||
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"It's usually possible to tell from someone's profile or their contributions to the forums (fora?) whether a member is a 'professional' in any generally accepted sense of the word. You can certainly tell when they're highly unlikely to be." Is it really that important to be one or be thought of as one, this thread is getting more humorous as it goes on lol! | |||
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"It's usually possible to tell from someone's profile or their contributions to the forums (fora?) whether a member is a 'professional' in any generally accepted sense of the word. You can certainly tell when they're highly unlikely to be. Is it really that important to be one or be thought of as one, this thread is getting more humorous as it goes on lol! " There are clearly some Fabsters who, in the absence of anything else, are determined to 'big' themselves up in any way possible. You're right about the humour though. Some of it worthy of the 'up their own arse' thread. | |||
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"the use of the word usually causes a huge huff and puff from people, a lot of wasted energy. if they ain't for you, move on. the constant need to critique others is staggering " 24 hours on, no change from me | |||
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"Amazing how similar to the school playground this seems." We do agree but as anyone can see from the start of this thread we wasn't the ones with chips on ours shoulders & throwing the first insults, we are just trying to show how wrong you guys are in attitude...not all the professionals on the site but the so called ones on this thread trying to make themselves look big & not succeeding. Lesson to learn guys before you start an argument in future at least have the brains to get your point across lol! | |||
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"Amazing how similar to the school playground this seems. We do agree but as anyone can see from the start of this thread we wasn't the ones with chips on ours shoulders & throwing the first insults, we are just trying to show how wrong you guys are in attitude...not all the professionals on the site but the so called ones on this thread trying to make themselves look big & not succeeding. Lesson to learn guys before you start an argument in future at least have the brains to get your point across lol! " psst - check the fourth comment...those guys sound a little resentful.. | |||
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"This topic amuses me particularly how pedantic the anti professional brigade get. I have yet to see a profile who insist they only meet people with a jag on the drive, be a doctor or be in the highest tax bracket. If people don't ask such questions then why do so many of you get so pedantic about professionals only? It's pretty obvious that people who put 'professionals only' are politely saying they don't want to meet chavs (rich or poor) and want people who behave in a socially acceptable and polite way. Therefore an unemployed musician, plumber or doctor could fit the professional tag if they behaved civilised. To be even more blunt - no Jeremy Kyle types." Hit the nail on the head. | |||
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"Amazing how similar to the school playground this seems. We do agree but as anyone can see from the start of this thread we wasn't the ones with chips on ours shoulders & throwing the first insults, we are just trying to show how wrong you guys are in attitude...not all the professionals on the site but the so called ones on this thread trying to make themselves look big & not succeeding. Lesson to learn guys before you start an argument in future at least have the brains to get your point across lol! " You were the first person on the thread to have a "dig" about people being up themselves, until that point people were having a civil discussion. You obviously have issues with how people chose to describe themselves, and are very vocal about it, that is fine - but does suggest double standards when you complain about others giving a _iew that you take as a slur on you. | |||
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"Amazing how similar to the school playground this seems. We do agree but as anyone can see from the start of this thread we wasn't the ones with chips on ours shoulders & throwing the first insults, we are just trying to show how wrong you guys are in attitude...not all the professionals on the site but the so called ones on this thread trying to make themselves look big & not succeeding. Lesson to learn guys before you start an argument in future at least have the brains to get your point across lol! You were the first person on the thread to have a "dig" about people being up themselves, until that point people were having a civil discussion. You obviously have issues with how people chose to describe themselves, and are very vocal about it, that is fine - but does suggest double standards when you complain about others giving a _iew that you take as a slur on you." No if you read the post i said " anyone who earns money through their profession, some while get above their station & say different but that's it in a nutshell." We did not insult anyone & if anyone does think they are better then they are very pedantic in their attitude. If you look at other threads on the subject the same forum trolls sabotage those also, at no time did i insult any person. It was the people who think they are above their station & better than anyone else who have spoke out, if they believe they are not above their station then no harm done as it was not aimed at them. | |||
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" Academics Accountants Actuaries Architects Clergymen Dentists Economists Engineers Language professionals Lawyers Nurses Pharmacists Physicians Physiotherapists Psychologists Scientists Social workers Statisticians Surgeons Surveyors Teachers Urban Planners Apparently. Although seem to have missed the oldest profession on earth... Wahayyy im a Professional Do i get a Shag now ? Gary" yeah off nette if your a good boy | |||
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"A professional is someone trying to get a shag and hoping that title will help! Perhaps I should raise my ambitions and rename myself, Baroness Tina Titz, lady of Booby Manor. I decided not to go for Dame, that is so last (panto) season " Tina Von Titz, has a certain ring to it. | |||
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"Amazing how similar to the school playground this seems. We do agree but as anyone can see from the start of this thread we wasn't the ones with chips on ours shoulders & throwing the first insults, we are just trying to show how wrong you guys are in attitude...not all the professionals on the site but the so called ones on this thread trying to make themselves look big & not succeeding. Lesson to learn guys before you start an argument in future at least have the brains to get your point across lol! You were the first person on the thread to have a "dig" about people being up themselves, until that point people were having a civil discussion. You obviously have issues with how people chose to describe themselves, and are very vocal about it, that is fine - but does suggest double standards when you complain about others giving a _iew that you take as a slur on you. No if you read the post i said " anyone who earns money through their profession, some while get above their station & say different but that's it in a nutshell." We did not insult anyone & if anyone does think they are better then they are very pedantic in their attitude. If you look at other threads on the subject the same forum trolls sabotage those also, at no time did i insult any person. It was the people who think they are above their station & better than anyone else who have spoke out, if they believe they are not above their station then no harm done as it was not aimed at them. " There is a delightful irony to a post claiming not to have insulted anyone and in the same sentence accusing those that disagree as being trolls. | |||
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"We have never once knocked professional people ...unless they have the temerity to display their status or state their preference for meeting similar! Why does it bother you so much? I've never ever found it to be offensive in any way. It just seems a needless thing to have to state on a profile but if it makes them feel special then so be it." i have been through this thread and i cannot understand what the issue is, people can display pretty much what they like on their profile it is their choice and if people choose to state that they prefer to meet professionals then so what. do people take offence if someone asks for only black men or big women i woud hope not and yet someone dares to place professional on their profile and people take offence with them. the life style is supposed to be non judgemental however as in life people gravitate towards people of their ilk that is just life. | |||
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"I really don't understand why people get so het up about it. It's an adjective, we use it along with multiple other terms on our profile so people get an idea of what we are like. We don't use it to judge or exclude people. Profile's should be self selecting, we pass plenty of profiles by as being not of interest to us and would hope that plenty do the same to us." bravo spot on. And the interesting fact is that out of curiosity I've briefly looked at your profile before to see who's posting on the forums, and never even picked up on the use of the adjective. Essentially if I'm not looking for words to be read in a negative context, I'm unlikely to do so. Take a profile in its whole context not just by the use of one or two words which may have been chosen badly in any case ? | |||
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"Amazing how many mind readers there are on here. A lot of statements about how people must think of others based on a single word on a profile. You don't like what's written on a profile? Block and move on. Simple. It's not about 'don't like'. They provide enormous entertainment value." Clearly from the strength of opinion on here there is a lot of 'don't like' going on. | |||
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"Funny how daring to disagree with someone counts as trolling. Look through threads guys & the same usual trolls/people cause arguments...true or false. Just because people share _iews that may lead to an argument doesn't mean they are trolls, just means they are offering a different point of _iew which others disagree with. Do I find them annoying, at times, but that's life." Yes but when sensible threads are sabotaged by the same faces every time lowering it to their standards its wrong. | |||
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"Amazing how many mind readers there are on here. A lot of statements about how people must think of others based on a single word on a profile. You don't like what's written on a profile? Block and move on. Simple. It's not about 'don't like'. They provide enormous entertainment value. Clearly from the strength of opinion on here there is a lot of 'don't like' going on. " Agreed. I was expressing a personal opinion. | |||
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"Kim and John, I think you have a bit of an inferiority complex to be honest. No one is putting down people for not being professional, the only people who are being put down are the ones who chose to use the word in their profiles. Also, you posted a link to thread higher up, stating that it demonstrated how people on this forum looked down on those who live in council housing, yet I only picked up on ONE person who did this. The only person who seems to have an issue with this is you. You need to stop worrying about how you perceive that others _iew you, and either be happy with yourself and your situation in life, or if not happy then change it. " | |||
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"Amazing how many mind readers there are on here. A lot of statements about how people must think of others based on a single word on a profile. You don't like what's written on a profile? Block and move on. Simple. It's not about 'don't like'. They provide enormous entertainment value. Clearly from the strength of opinion on here there is a lot of 'don't like' going on. Agreed. I was expressing a personal opinion." When I used 'you' it was meant generally rather than directed at a single person. | |||
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"Kim and John, I think you have a bit of an inferiority complex to be honest. No one is putting down people for not being professional, the only people who are being put down are the ones who chose to use the word in their profiles. Also, you posted a link to thread higher up, stating that it demonstrated how people on this forum looked down on those who live in council housing, yet I only picked up on ONE person who did this. The only person who seems to have an issue with this is you. You need to stop worrying about how you perceive that others _iew you, and either be happy with yourself and your situation in life, or if not happy then change it. " No we are happy with our life, our friends, we are professionals, we don't look down on council homes as we have one ourselves & if you look there is a link to trolls talking about "chavs". If this thread upsets you stop reading it simples...you sound as pedantic as some of the others on here but we don't expect any different. We find it amusing & still can't believe that some actually think they are better than others lol! As for inferiority complex, no we got fetched into this row & are just defending ourselves. | |||
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"Funny how daring to disagree with someone counts as trolling. Look through threads guys & the same usual trolls/people cause arguments...true or false. Just because people share _iews that may lead to an argument doesn't mean they are trolls, just means they are offering a different point of _iew which others disagree with. Do I find them annoying, at times, but that's life. Yes but when sensible threads are sabotaged by the same faces every time lowering it to their standards its wrong. " I think I must have been reading a parallel discussion. You made your _iew (repeatedly), I think all can be clear where you stand, including the 'trolls' that dare to disagree. You've also dropped in a fair number of personal insults, none of which have been warranted. I think you maybe need to ask of yourself who it is you're really trying to convince? Because surely nobody here really cares? | |||
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