FabSwingers.com forum: £10 to use A&E

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would you get your £10 back if you hit the criteria of what was classed as an emergency?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As well as the extortionate car park fees?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't be against actually it but fear it's another step away from free healthcare.

Maybe if you are noticable d*unk you should have to pay something!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will they not charge those deemed to be genuine or those sent to A&E by their GP?

Those that get pissed and end up there, yes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"As well as the extortionate car park fees? "

Good point!!

I don't know any more details, just read the headline and thought it would be an interesting discussion.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

So if someone runs over your foot in their car coz they are d*unk (for example) you'd have to pay £10??

Seems flawed to me!

Although there should be something in place to prevent people going there for every tiny little ailment that could be dealt with my a doctor or even sorted over the phone using 111 but what I don't know...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

only ever used A&E twice.. id not mind paying £10 i fit meant getting a decent service once there

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By *ebsCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Orpington/london

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?"

Yep I think it is. If you're genuinely ill you get the money back.

Before people say it people on benefits /low income, budget for it. The ones I see/know always seem to have cash for cigarettes and/or beer at the wknd?

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

this will be put up as an administration charge at first, then it will go up each year in the budget till it costs £50/60 per visit and we then have a privatised NHS by the back door

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By *uckoldandWifeCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

wouldn't mind paying if you got £2 back for every hour you wait. You could end up coming out with a tenner profit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems to me that the A&E crisis is directly related to gp's not giving out of hours or even sensible in hours appointments. My GP currently is taking appointments for march! And calling nhs direct for a splinter results in a recommendation to go to A&E

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wouldn't mind paying if you got £2 back for every hour you wait. You could end up coming out with a tenner profit."

...with that 10 quid, we could just jump on Ryanair and end up in Hungary. Get treated there and come back - then see that our name hasn't even been called yet at the A&E.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

what if you couldn't pay the tenner?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just a dig at all the d*unks who stretch A&E to breaking point,especially at weekends. Sort that problem out then no need for ridiculous money grabbing ideas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a regular user of A & E I'm going to say I'm for it. The amount of people I've seen with nothing with them is amazing. Last time I was there a lady next to me had had enough of waiting (2 hours) and decided to go, I asked what was the matter, "I think I sprained my ankle". She then walked out perfectly...

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's probably no more than an attempt to distract attention from Thatcher's papers being released under the 30 year rule.

Gove's up to something re WWI too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lots of things like this have been thought of, but everything goes against the ethos of the NHS which is free at the point of use.

i already pay for a&e with my taxes, no other money pays for the service.

its not privately funded or subsidised by the EU, but out of all of our wage packets, so to then charge again for it, is a no.

tbh the amount i have used a&e, if they charged me £1000 to use it, but stopped taking the tax to pay for it, i would be massively in profit.

so no, i dont think anyone that pays for the service by working in this country, should be charged for it.

anyone else, on the other hand, is another debate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't the fire and rescue services make some charges now?

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By *ightkitty4uWoman
over a year ago

Epsom

What about people who have on going health issues? such as diabetics...

My dad is diabetic, I'd hate to think how many times I've called 999 or driven him to A&E, because he's had a hypo and we've not been able to get his sugar level up or down as case might be.

One occasion I drove him to A&E as didn't want to "bother" the ambulance service with something so trivial, Upon arrival I got told of by A&E staff and informed, this isn't a trivial matter and to call and ambulance that's what they are for...

Also what if it's the day before payday and you don't have £10? or you just simply don't have it...

We should present our NHS number upon arrival to prove we are entitled to the NHS service, that would cut out the "health tourists"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?

Yep I think it is. If you're genuinely ill you get the money back.

Before people say it people on benefits /low income, budget for it. The ones I see/know always seem to have cash for cigarettes and/or beer at the wknd?

How is someone supposed to budget for something they may not need or end up needing several times a month.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally if I needed a and e I wouldn't care how much they charged to resolve my issue and stop me suffering. Sadly though it shouldn't be that way but too many people misuse the service with alcohol related issues causing massive delays.

One concern would be if it did start to charge could you rightfully complain when misdiagnosed? Kept waiting for long periods of time or just fobbed off?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My daughter get sent quite often to ae quite often by her gp as they dont know which way is best to treat her condition ..to me accidents and situations like this should not pay but if you are up there for been d*unk yes you should ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could you offer £15 and go further up the list..............?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What about people who have on going health issues? such as diabetics...

My dad is diabetic, I'd hate to think how many times I've called 999 or driven him to A&E, because he's had a hypo and we've not been able to get his sugar level up or down as case might be.

Also what if it's the day before payday and you don't have £10? or you just simply don't have it...

We should present our NHS number upon arrival to prove we are entitled to the NHS service, that would cut out the "health tourists" "

I think the reason A&E like you to call an ambulance is that they can act as an early triage to stop a problem getting to hospital.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

what if someone was in a car accident and unconscious would they refuse to treat them unless they paid the uk has always been proud of its NHS this would be another nail in the coffin

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By *randmrsminxyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"It's probably no more than an attempt to distract attention from Thatcher's papers being released under the 30 year rule.

Gove's up to something re WWI too."

oooooooooo so on the money with that quote .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what if someone was in a car accident and unconscious would they refuse to treat them unless they paid the uk has always been proud of its NHS this would be another nail in the coffin"

The insurance company already pay for this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do it as in Germany Switzerland and elsewhere. If you are pissed and out you have to pay the costs in Germany it's Euro 400 and 2nd time it is even more. Would stop "bing drinking" flat free time up at A&E problem solved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a bad idea, sad as it is to imagine but the most vulnerable of people don't have £10 to spare and it would put them off going when they probably really need to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So the poeple who have to choose between heating or food now have to keep a tenner back in case they need a&e as well!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My daughter get sent quite often to ae quite often by her gp as they dont know which way is best to treat her condition ..to me accidents and situations like this should not pay but if you are up there for been d*unk yes you should .."

why?

can d*unk people not have accidents?

what if the accident they had wasnt drink related, ie, sat at home, with a beer, ceiling falls in, is that the fault of the person for drinking?

and thats the problem, its either all or nothing. you cant say 'well if they are fat/thin/tall/short/smoke/drink/gay/straight/black/white/british/foreign then they have to pay, as there will always be circumstance which SHOULD mean someone in the catagory shouldnt have to pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do it as in Germany Switzerland and elsewhere. If you are pissed and out you have to pay the costs in Germany it's Euro 400 and 2nd time it is even more. Would stop "bing drinking" flat free time up at A&E problem solved.

sorry, but no it wouldnt.

how many times have you gone out drinking and thought 'oo, best not have to much in case i fall off a kerb and twist my ankle'

i will answer for you,

never

when people go out for a drink they either have the mindfullness not to drink loads, or they keep up with their mates, get shitfaced and to hell with the consequences.

never in my life have i not d*unk in case i end up in hospital although i havent properly d*unk for over 10 years now)

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

i thought bing crosby was dead?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?"

The government needs to destroying the health service by cutting it back in order to create headlines like this, just so that privatisation seems like a good idea to the easily led.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having used A&E 3 weeks ago.

I would be very upset at being charged £10 for having a heart attack.

I only went because the pain had got to bad to handle.

Was bad enough being in hospital with all the extra cost involved,never mind £10 charge on top.

Sounds like another idea thought up in the cheap bar in the commons.

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By *ightkitty4uWoman
over a year ago

Epsom

"What about people who have on going health issues? such as diabetics...

My dad is diabetic, I'd hate to think how many times I've called 999 or driven him to A&E, because he's had a hypo and we've not been able to get his sugar level up or down as case might be.

Also what if it's the day before payday and you don't have £10? or you just simply don't have it...

We should present our NHS number upon arrival to prove we are entitled to the NHS service, that would cut out the "health tourists"

I think the reason A&E like you to call an ambulance is that they can act as an early triage to stop a problem getting to hospital."

I've never looked at it like that... Normally a first response car attends and a few times they have to call an ambulance to take him in....

Hospital is only two miles up the road so never looked at it like that before.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would pay it, but would you get a discount for being a clumsy person. Sort of frequent visitor status?

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

I think this would be a very negative step. I can see massive knock on implication when people delay emergency treatment leading to serious medical conditions escalating. Almost all emergency medical conditions become more complicated and therefore ultimatley expensive to deal with if not treated early.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?"

I agree something needs to be done as the service can't cope as it is, but not sure this is the answer. Too many people use AandE because they can't get an appointment with their own GP. Maybe that needs looking at. As for using it for trivial things that needs addressing so maybe a charge would help.

A and E have saved my life four times this year. £40 seems a fair amount to still be hear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's probably no more than an attempt to distract attention from Thatcher's papers being released under the 30 year rule.

Gove's up to something re WWI too."

Are you self Medicating ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you define an emergency though?? Everyone has a different point of _iew. I think personally it would benefit the government to have a seperate department in a&e, you go in get triaged by a senior nurse if she deems it to be an emergency she directs you to a specific waiting area to be seen by a&e staff. If she feels it's not an emergency she sends you to another area to see a gp on call at that time. People are using a&e departments as gp surgerys and not the way they are supposed to be used. For instance your child had a temperature you take it to a&e to be looked at turns out it's a common cold just needs paracetamol which hadn't been given. In the mean time someone else is waiting who could possibly be seriously ill and needing emergency treatment. The same goes for the ambulance service, they get slagged of beyond belief in the press etc yet how many calls do they get every day to silly things they shouldn't be called out to??? Some people use the ambulance service as a free taxi ride into hospital as they know they will get treated quicker. It's all wrong! The gmc need to toughen up give the Drs the right to say sorry your not an emergency see your gp or the gp on call. This way waiting times in a&e departments would be sorter and money wouldn't be wasted.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I understood it to be only people that misused it had to pay not genuine cased

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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago

Neath

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?

A and E have saved my life four times this year. £40 seems a fair amount to still be hear."

I agree in thinking the root of a big part of the problem lays in the fact that gp surgeries only open monday to friday 9 til 5. Why not start opening evenings and weekends? I would imagine that would ease a lot of pressure on a & e departments for a start.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?

A and E have saved my life four times this year. £40 seems a fair amount to still be hear.

Who'd pay the doctors to work the extra hours?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wouldn't mind paying if you got £2 back for every hour you wait. You could end up coming out with a tenner profit."

That's Brilliant we will all me rich

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe a way to help would be to fine the d*unk and disorderly when they make it stupidly busy over the weekends.

The could breath test the rouges and over a certain level fine as I like a drink like the rest but have never been in that sort of state that you get taken to A & E.

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By *rsK69Woman
over a year ago

Neath

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?

A and E have saved my life four times this year. £40 seems a fair amount to still be hear.

Who'd pay the doctors to work the extra hours? "

In the long run the money that a and e departments would save??

Or if I had my way a little pay cut for MPs should cover it

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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Who'd pay the doctors to work the extra hours?

In the long run the money that a and e departments would save??

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That might be the case in mathematical terms but can you really see THIS government directing savings from A&E to GPs?

Any savings will go straight into Treasury coffers to fund pre-election bribes.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

Excellent idea. Of course as a paying customer if I feel the quality of service is shite I will demand my money back and a free return visit to compensate me

I think some members of the medical profession need to realise that commercialisation of medical services comes with a different set of patient attitudes that the less able or diligent amongst them might find difficult to work with.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

It may be a good idea to some but it is heading for private healthcare, fine if you can afford it but shit if you are on a low income.

We already get people from London using our hospital as its only a 20 min wait, even the 90 min journey there & back is quicker than waiting 5-6 hours in London hospitals.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"..........

Who'd pay the doctors to work the extra hours?

In the long run the money that a and e departments would save??

.............

That might be the case in mathematical terms but can you really see THIS government directing savings from A&E to GPs?

Any savings will go straight into Treasury coffers to fund pre-election bribes."

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Excellent idea. Of course as a paying customer if I feel the quality of service is shite I will demand my money back and a free return visit to compensate me

Beware of advocating what amounts to a work to rule. The NHS as we know it only functions on the basis of a high degree of flexibility (on both sides).

Can you imagine, for example, a situation where a surgeon's maximum number of permitted/ contracted hours of work expire during an operation which has taken longer than anticipated?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

10 squid is fcuk all considering the service. i`d pay it

aslong as the money goes back into the NHS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"10 squid is fcuk all considering the service. i`d pay it

aslong as the money goes back into the NHS"

It will, BUT the admin cost of collecting it and chasing debt for those that turn up without £10 in their pocket will average out at £11.73p. Then in the next government the cost of £11.73 per patient in admin costs will be disputed and presented as too much management so they will sack the administrators and make it a nurses responsibility to collect the money resulting in less nursing hours available for A&E medical work and the total budget for the NHS will be short by £31,659,328.70p and nobody will be able to work out why

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

"10 squid is fcuk all considering the service. i`d pay it

aslong as the money goes back into the NHS

Ooh so cynical!

But absolutely spot on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't agree with charging upfront as that will put the most vulnerable people at risk. But I do agree that something needs to be done to prevent inappropriate use. Perhaps billing people who are discharged after triage as they don't actually need acute care. Might make people think more carefully before going.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't the fire and rescue services make some charges now?"

One of my close friends had to go to hospital because she could not stop being sick and the out of hours Doctor instead of coming out told her to phone an Ambulance and was charged for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brilliant idea.

If you really need A&E then £10 is neither here nor there. Obviously with exceptions, i.e pregnancy, children etc.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

from me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Brilliant idea.

If you really need A&E then £10 is neither here nor there. Obviously with exceptions, i.e pregnancy, children etc."

Would you count heart attack as an exception? what about broken bones?? think my estimate of £11.73 collection charge may have to double to allow the admin of the complex exception lists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't the fire and rescue services make some charges now?

One of my close friends had to go to hospital because she could not stop being sick and the out of hours Doctor instead of coming out told her to phone an Ambulance and was charged for it.

Your friend should forward the invoice to the GP who advised her to call an ambulance!

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"this will be put up as an administration charge at first, then it will go up each year in the budget till it costs £50/60 per visit and we then have a privatised NHS by the back door

Back door, front door, kitchen door, or whatever. The sooner the better.

This National (or is it international?) Health Service that everybody is so proud of is bankrupting the nation.

Proud that Britain is the only country in the world to have one? Yeah right, there is no other country stupid enough to have one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How do you define an emergency though?? Everyone has a different point of _iew. I think personally it would benefit the government to have a seperate department in a&e, you go in get triaged by a senior nurse if she deems it to be an emergency she directs you to a specific waiting area to be seen by a&e staff. If she feels it's not an emergency she sends you to another area to see a gp on call at that time. People are using a&e departments as gp surgerys and not the way they are supposed to be used. For instance your child had a temperature you take it to a&e to be looked at turns out it's a common cold just needs paracetamol which hadn't been given. In the mean time someone else is waiting who could possibly be seriously ill and needing emergency treatment. The same goes for the ambulance service, they get slagged of beyond belief in the press etc yet how many calls do they get every day to silly things they shouldn't be called out to??? Some people use the ambulance service as a free taxi ride into hospital as they know they will get treated quicker. It's all wrong! The gmc need to toughen up give the Drs the right to say sorry your not an emergency see your gp or the gp on call. This way waiting times in a&e departments would be sorter and money wouldn't be wasted. "

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By *heScotandthegirlCouple
over a year ago

London & Edinburgh

My fear is a slippery slope... How long before a "menu" of services, premium fast tracking...

We are on course for a class segregation

Ruby x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If u go to A&E here in ireland you have to pay €100 and if you go to out patient clinics its another €100 so i think £10 is very cheap for you to pay in the uk if it was brought in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it is a genuine reason, such as cuts that need stiches or suspected broken bone or just a genuine ccident then I don't think the fee would be charged. It'sd those that are d*unk or taken drugs that should pay. AND dare I say, those pathetic ungrateful people that insult and assault the nurses & doctors should definitely be charged.... by the police. xx

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By *hoe_nixCouple
over a year ago

leeds

charges yes in total agreement -- but administration ??? how could it be practically administrated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh great more to pay out. I think they should keep it the way it is. But I would bring in the £10 charge for all that arnt from this country taking all our fucking jobs and getting shit loads on benefits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well that's another £50+ a year to spend

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By *irtyAndCh33kyCouple
over a year ago

North Wales

Having worked in an A&E department in the past....you wouldn't believe the stupid things people attend with! many of which could wait until a GP appointment can be made.

Some are just totally pointless....one lady couldn't stop crying because her cat had died ffs as sad as it was I have no idea what she thought A&E staff could do about

The clue is in the title Accident & Emergency! if it's neither of these then don't attend....simples.

Mrs Dirty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To all those who think you should pay if you have a drink i would ask how much tax is paid per bottle already which goes towards the overall picture? same with ciggies! What about those that get injured doing "dangerous" activities such as running for a bus, cycling down hill, driving a car (then again thats well taxed) etc etc. lighten up lovelies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

often i have no Money as its been Spent on my children However i suffer with asthma a pneumonia often hits me hard and often i end up in a and e. if they where to try and charge me i couldnt pay so would Probably die

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can see where people are coming from about those that don't need to go to A&E and are wasting time, but how do you know what is a waste of time and what isn't without being assessed by a medical professional? Who decides what is and isn't an emergency and whether said emergency is the fault of the injured/ill? When I broke my ankle a few years back I was convinced it was just a sprain and I would be fine if I rested it...it needed to be pinned and plated. If there had been a charge I might not have gone until I couldn't bear the pain any longer and so could have irritated the problem even more.

Would the homeless go without treatment until they had managed to find a tenner to pay their entry? How many people forfeit dental treatment because they can't afford 6mthly checkups and so end up having to visit an emergency dentist for something that would have probably been repairable for a fraction of the cost and next to none of the pain? £10 may not seem much to some, but on the 29th of the month it can seem a hell of a lot to me so can only imagine others will feel the same.

And I agree that upkeep of the system would never be cost effective and it would make life more difficult for A&E staff as they'd have to spend all their shift hearing people complain about paying £10 to visit when they already pay for the services in tax.

Many A&E's do have out of hours GP services so maybe this needs to be utilised better...the assessments for GP or A&E suggested previously makes the most sense to me. Have a medical professional decide which queue you need to be in rather than people risking further harm because they're worried about wasting £10

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over a year ago

What the doctors think won't get into law. They are just venting their frustration at having people with 5 day old sore toes filling up time when serious cases need more time. I'd be with them tbh. Maybe a better idea would be to make the obvious non-essentials wait for hours or be referred on to the GP out of hours.

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over a year ago

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?"

If everyone gets a £20 tax rebate why not though some will miss out. In all fairness you only have to go in late on a Saturday night to see how many are misusing it or the system.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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there have been times in our life when paying ten pounds would have been beyond us even if we could have afforded the car park. So I'm against it.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"this will be put up as an administration charge at first, then it will go up each year in the budget till it costs £50/60 per visit and we then have a privatised NHS by the back door

Back door, front door, kitchen door, or whatever. The sooner the better.

This National (or is it international?) Health Service that everybody is so proud of is bankrupting the nation.

Proud that Britain is the only country in the world to have one? Yeah right, there is no other country stupid enough to have one.

For a couple based most of the time in other countries of course you would agree with this...

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"If u go to A&E here in ireland you have to pay €100 and if you go to out patient clinics its another €100 so i think £10 is very cheap for you to pay in the uk if it was brought in. "

In fairness, the Irish economy really IS fucked whilst the UK economy is only pretendy Tory fucked.

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over a year ago

makes me think some people may not go when they should because what if their wrong

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over a year ago

What next sorry poor child i know you have hurt yourself and split your head open and broke your nose but go get 10 pound off you mum and come back later and then wait another 4 hours yeah that would really go down well or what about them on the bread line who are gen skint cant pay it yeah getting even more like a yank state god what next

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over a year ago

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?"

Surely the whole point of the NHS is getting things on the health service for free? Yes it maybe slower, but the patient still gets treated properly, etc? If you want to pay then fair enough as that's what going private is all about. In dont believe though in paying taxes for the NHS if I have to pay again just to be seen. That's just flawed int opinion.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"this will be put up as an administration charge at first, then it will go up each year in the budget till it costs £50/60 per visit and we then have a privatised NHS by the back door

Back door, front door, kitchen door, or whatever. The sooner the better.

This National (or is it international?) Health Service that everybody is so proud of is bankrupting the nation.

Proud that Britain is the only country in the world to have one? Yeah right, there is no other country stupid enough to have one.

For a couple based most of the time in other countries of course you would agree with this... "

Yes because in every other country we have used health care (Germany, France, Spain) the system WORKS a damn site better than the ridiculous sacred cow called the NHS.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?

In an ideal world you would be right. The problem with the NHS is that there are far too many users who don't pay for it, and far too few that do.

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over a year ago

The nhs is a great service and does a great job well the staff do what they can no fault there but we as the tax payer do pay for it its the geverment that messes with it like everything else and god theteis ways of inproving everything without shafting us lot at the same time

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over a year ago

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?

In an ideal world you would be right. The problem with the NHS is that there are far too many users who don't pay for it, and far too few that do."

Maybe they should work out a system where the "users" have to pay. Easier said than done i know or we could do what they do in the states and Australia. Pay nothing to the NHS and pay a lot when we go in or pay a little amount and not so much when we go into hospital.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

How about a system where the NHS pay you NOT to ask for attention?

You present, get assessed and a decision is made about the expected cost of your treatment/ care.

They make you an offer and, if you accept, you go home.

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over a year ago

I would pay £20 for a fantastic service knowing I will not have to wait behind a d*unk or a druggie , they will be outside having spent all funds on chosen substances whilst the rest of us grafters get our treatment if we need it and get on with our lives ,the staff will be happier as no abuse given from sober sane patients . Simples

Can I now apply for the position of senior hospital administrator please with its fat cat salary

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over a year ago

"It's probably no more than an attempt to distract attention from Thatcher's papers being released under the 30 year rule.

Gove's up to something re WWI too."

The most likely reason.

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over a year ago

"this will be put up as an administration charge at first, then it will go up each year in the budget till it costs £50/60 per visit and we then have a privatised NHS by the back door

Back door, front door, kitchen door, or whatever. The sooner the better.

This National (or is it international?) Health Service that everybody is so proud of is bankrupting the nation.

Proud that Britain is the only country in the world to have one? Yeah right, there is no other country stupid enough to have one.

So, the NHS is bankrupting the nation, not the corrupt banking?

I suppose these thoughts spring to mind when you're floating on a yacht somewhere in the med eyeing your stock options.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"this will be put up as an administration charge at first, then it will go up each year in the budget till it costs £50/60 per visit and we then have a privatised NHS by the back door

Back door, front door, kitchen door, or whatever. The sooner the better.

This National (or is it international?) Health Service that everybody is so proud of is bankrupting the nation.

Proud that Britain is the only country in the world to have one? Yeah right, there is no other country stupid enough to have one.

So, the NHS is bankrupting the nation, not the corrupt banking?

I suppose these thoughts spring to mind when you're floating on a yacht somewhere in the med eyeing your stock options. "

Motor cruiser actually, can't be doing with all them ropes and rags

Drug company stocks seem to be doing OK though. One of the sectors tipped to perform well in 2014.

Remember you heard it here first.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".......

I suppose these thoughts spring to mind when you're floating on a yacht somewhere in the med eyeing your stock options.

Motor cruiser actually, can't be doing with all them ropes and rags

.............. "

That why proper sailors have crew.

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By *heScotandthegirlCouple
over a year ago

London & Edinburgh

I don't deny that people abuse the system, but those that do will continue to find loopholes/carry on while genuine users are being penalised.

As others have said, too many grey areas. So a person is out on the town having fun and a couple of drinks then gets bottled by some idiot without any provocation. Charge or no charge for getting stitches?

R x

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

".......

I suppose these thoughts spring to mind when you're floating on a yacht somewhere in the med eyeing your stock options.

Motor cruiser actually, can't be doing with all them ropes and rags

..............

That why proper sailors have crew."

Proper sailing!!!!

Bollox to that, far too energetic for me, all that pulling ropes, tic tacking about, and get there next week malarkey. Turn a key, push the lever, and 30 knots in an instant, now that's more like it.

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By *an and wifeyCouple
over a year ago

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So if you turn up with no money what will they do turn you away. What do you pay national insurance for exactly because you end up paying over the odds for every thing in this country and still get poor quality. Doctors at local gp and local hospital is crap. At least our way they are rubbish. They don't work weekends when most people can only get to doctors because of work purposes so have to use a&e it's just another way to tax the frack out of us

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over a year ago

On the news last night that GP's are being paid up to £1500 for doing ONE shift at A&E.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".......

I suppose these thoughts spring to mind when you're floating on a yacht somewhere in the med eyeing your stock options.

Motor cruiser actually, can't be doing with all them ropes and rags

..............

That why proper sailors have crew.

Proper sailing!!!!

Bollox to that, far too energetic for me, all that pulling ropes, tic tacking about, and get there next week malarkey. Turn a key, push the lever, and 30 knots in an instant, now that's more like it.

Perhaps, if I ever get old and past it, I'll feel the same way

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

So a third of gps think its a good idea.

What ever happened to popular vote.

Prob these same gps are money grabbers and want to see the destruction of the NHS as is happening.

Don't be fooled by these

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over a year ago

".......

I suppose these thoughts spring to mind when you're floating on a yacht somewhere in the med eyeing your stock options.

Motor cruiser actually, can't be doing with all them ropes and rags

..............

That why proper sailors have crew.

Proper sailing!!!!

Bollox to that, far too energetic for me, all that pulling ropes, tic tacking about, and get there next week malarkey. Turn a key, push the lever, and 30 knots in an instant, now that's more like it.

Perhaps, if I ever get old and past it, I'll feel the same way

Hahaha.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So a third of gps think its a good idea.

What ever happened to popular vote.

Prob these same gps are money grabbers and want to see the destruction of the NHS as is happening.

Don't be fooled by these "

I'm not convinced this is a real story but, assuming it is, why don't those GPs who support the idea go for it and let patients decide whether or not to stay on their list?

I suspect a number of patients would vote with their feet and the resulting drop in the GP's income would point out the folly of paying for A&E.

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over a year ago

"So a third of gps think its a good idea.

What ever happened to popular vote.

Prob these same gps are money grabbers and want to see the destruction of the NHS as is happening.

Don't be fooled by these "

When Aneurin Bevan was asked how he would deal with widespread opposition to the creation of the NHS from GPs, he remarked that he would "stuff their mouths with gold". The coalition has employed the same tactic to dismantle it.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

".......

I suppose these thoughts spring to mind when you're floating on a yacht somewhere in the med eyeing your stock options.

Motor cruiser actually, can't be doing with all them ropes and rags

..............

That why proper sailors have crew.

Proper sailing!!!!

Bollox to that, far too energetic for me, all that pulling ropes, tic tacking about, and get there next week malarkey. Turn a key, push the lever, and 30 knots in an instant, now that's more like it.

Perhaps, if I ever get old and past it, I'll feel the same way

Hahaha. "

Hahaha. Yep that's exactly what I think over a large Gin & Tonic while deciding whether to snorkel or water ski today

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

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We already pay for the Nhs ...enough said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nice to know that those considerate scum (MPs)

Would like a system that only the well off can use for free.

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over a year ago

It's a sad but very realistic thought that the NHS as we've all known and used is a doomed creation.

Drug companies profit- as private companies are supposed to do-, the public misuse it constantly and the nurses, doctors and surgeons by and large are poorly trained and idle, compared to past times, however, extremely well paid. Not to mention widespread thieving, tourist surgery by NHS employees' families, a failure of competent internal regulation of procedures and widespread loss of job satisfaction due to various factors.

Can you honestly see such an organisation continuing in its present form? If it were a private company it would have been declared bankrupt many years ago.

This report about 'what doctors think' has no value. It is a newspaper story made to look like fact and there is no reason to think this levy might ever happen.

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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago

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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago

north west

"wouldn't mind paying if you got ?2 back for every hour you wait. You could end up coming out with a tenner profit."

Haha love it very true

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Nice to know that those considerate scum (MPs)

Would like a system that only the well off can use for free.

The Tories have hated the NHS since its inception.

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over a year ago

They hate anything that gives something to those less well off.

If Dave had his way,we would simply bring back work houses.

The guy has no morals what so ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Morals vs votes and power- a politician's dilemma.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Morals vs votes and power- a politician's dilemma.

TORY MP with morals, now thats a brand new concept.

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over a year ago

"It's a sad but very realistic thought that the NHS as we've all known and used is a doomed creation.

Can you honestly see such an organisation continuing in its present form? If it were a private company it would have been declared bankrupt many years ago.

This report about 'what doctors think' has no value. It is a newspaper story made to look like fact and there is no reason to think this levy might ever happen."

Really

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over a year ago

In Ireland there is a €100 charge if you aren't referred by your GP.

The NHS will have to reform as the populations ages and some charges are unfortunately inevitable.

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over a year ago

"Nice to know that those considerate scum (MPs)

Would like a system that only the well off can use for free.

The Tories have hated the NHS since its inception."

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"this will be put up as an administration charge at first, then it will go up each year in the budget till it costs £50/60 per visit and we then have a privatised NHS by the back door

Yep,thin end of the wedge.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"They hate anything that gives something to those less well off.

If Dave had his way,we would simply bring back work houses.

The guy has no morals what so ever."

If Dave had his way, he'd bring back slavery. Oh, wait a minute ........

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"In Ireland there is a €100 charge if you aren't referred by your GP.

The NHS will have to reform as the populations ages and some charges are unfortunately inevitable. "

How do you get referred in the middle of the night?

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over a year ago

Only those on benefits will get it free for those hard workers get nothing. It's a silly comment to make. They should actually push NHS direct and out if hours doctors harder. I think for non uk born people there should be a small fee. I mean I go visit a doctor in Spain €50 euro fee. Why should it be free here - not very equal...

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Morals vs votes and power- a politician's dilemma.

TORY MP with morals, now thats a brand new concept.

Labour MP's with brains, now that is even more incredible

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over a year ago

"In Ireland there is a €100 charge if you aren't referred by your GP.

The NHS will have to reform as the populations ages and some charges are unfortunately inevitable.

How do you get referred in the middle of the night?"

You don't. Point I am trying to make is that compared to many countries we have a brilliant system which no doubt a small number of people abuse. A small charge is not unreasonable.

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over a year ago

"Morals vs votes and power- a politician's dilemma.

TORY MP with morals, now thats a brand new concept.

Labour MP's with brains, now that is even more incredible

Certainly is, who else would have thought of a welfare state and the NHS.

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over a year ago

"Reading the headlines.... xx% of doctors think it would be a good idea to charge people £10 to use A&E.

The intention being to stop people misusing the service and therefore freeing it up for people with a genuine emergency.

Good idea?"

Should be a £100, refunded if person is actually in need of A&E

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over a year ago

"In Ireland there is a €100 charge if you aren't referred by your GP.

The NHS will have to reform as the populations ages and some charges are unfortunately inevitable.

How do you get referred in the middle of the night?

You don't. Point I am trying to make is that compared to many countries we have a brilliant system which no doubt a small number of people abuse. A small charge is not unreasonable."

I doubt its a small percent of people abusing the A&E alcohol abuse is self inflicted and lots of people in A&E have d*unk too much.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"It's a sad but very realistic thought that the NHS as we've all known and used is a doomed creation.

Can you honestly see such an organisation continuing in its present form? If it were a private company it would have been declared bankrupt many years ago.

This report about 'what doctors think' has no value. It is a newspaper story made to look like fact and there is no reason to think this levy might ever happen.

Really

Yes REALLY.

The NHS will die.

It cannot go on in its present form, and irrespective of which party is in power at the time. IT WILL DIE.

OK various governments will keep feeding it happy pills (AKA cash) but that will only forestall the inevitable.

Oh and as for the wonderful care in the NHS. Go and ask the relatives of 1200 dead in Staffordshire and those on the Liverpool "care" pathway about the wonderful care.

The NHS is a stinking cesspit run only for the benefit of its employees, and that is only the fault of the left wing bigots who try to play the "care" card when anyone with an ounce of real compassion tries to reform it.

Bottom line is the NHS has been hijacked by the left as a political football, and judging by some of the comments above, they've got more fans than Man Utd.

But as every football supporter knows, the cups are won by the players on the field, not the supporters in the stands.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's a sad but very realistic thought that the NHS as we've all known and used is a doomed creation.

Can you honestly see such an organisation continuing in its present form? If it were a private company it would have been declared bankrupt many years ago.

This report about 'what doctors think' has no value. It is a newspaper story made to look like fact and there is no reason to think this levy might ever happen.

Really

Yes REALLY.

The NHS will die.

It cannot go on in its present form, and irrespective of which party is in power at the time. IT WILL DIE.

OK various governments will keep feeding it happy pills (AKA cash) but that will only forestall the inevitable.

Oh and as for the wonderful care in the NHS. Go and ask the relatives of 1200 dead in Staffordshire and those on the Liverpool "care" pathway about the wonderful care.

Bottom line is the NHS has been hijacked by the left as a political football, and judging by some of the comments above, they've got more fans than Man Utd.

But as every football supporter knows, the cups are won by the players on the field, not the supporters in the stands."

Seldom have I read such nonsense (even on Fab).

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By *plpxp2Couple
over a year ago

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Its rather funny that GP's think this is a good idea, but baulk at charging people who have no right to use the NHS as they "don't want to be tax collectors" - what's all that about?

The basic problem with A & E is that staff allow anyone to use the service. Triage should be 1: are you an emergency; yes / no; 2. If the answer is no then you should be sent to a walk in clinic, simples. I spent a few hours in A & E, in agony whilst waiting for them to deal with folks in a far worse condition. One rather impatient woman wanted to be seen because she had a cough, she'd had it for 2 weeks!

There is a direct link between the change to GP contracts and pressure on hospitals increasing. Out of hours GP's who don't know a patient and don't know the medical history are far more likely to admit to A & E.

Charging isn't the answer to this little mess.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Its rather funny that GP's think this is a good idea, but baulk at charging people who have no right to use the NHS as they "don't want to be tax collectors" - what's all that about?

Charging isn't the answer to this little mess."

That rather assumes the original message isn't made up. I'd ask for a link to a reputable news source but I doubt it'd be forthcoming.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"It's a sad but very realistic thought that the NHS as we've all known and used is a doomed creation.

Can you honestly see such an organisation continuing in its present form? If it were a private company it would have been declared bankrupt many years ago.

This report about 'what doctors think' has no value. It is a newspaper story made to look like fact and there is no reason to think this levy might ever happen.

Really

Yes REALLY.

The NHS will die.

It cannot go on in its present form, and irrespective of which party is in power at the time. IT WILL DIE.

OK various governments will keep feeding it happy pills (AKA cash) but that will only forestall the inevitable.

Oh and as for the wonderful care in the NHS. Go and ask the relatives of 1200 dead in Staffordshire and those on the Liverpool "care" pathway about the wonderful care.

Bottom line is the NHS has been hijacked by the left as a political football, and judging by some of the comments above, they've got more fans than Man Utd.

But as every football supporter knows, the cups are won by the players on the field, not the supporters in the stands.

Seldom have I read such nonsense (even on Fab)."

Nonsense Eh.

So which bit would that be?

You think the NHS can survive as it is?

Maybe you think Staffordshire and Liverpool are a right wing plot as is usually the case whenever the left get caught with their pants down.

Maybe I'm wrong about the cesspit bit, but oh no, the abuse and death threats to the whistleblower are fine in left wing circles, are they?

And any one with an ounce of real compassion DOES get shouted down every time the try to reform the vested interests of the left, whether it be in health or education.

Smear and innuendo are the WMD's of the left and I am well used to them, as I've been fighting the scourge of Socialism my whole life.

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over a year ago

WOW, someone hit a raw nerve ONNY

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over a year ago

There is a huge crisis within A&E departments in part because of cuts forced on them by this government. So let's blame people for using them rather than blame the cuts.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's a sad but very realistic thought that the NHS as we've all known and used is a doomed creation.

Can you honestly see such an organisation continuing in its present form? If it were a private company it would have been declared bankrupt many years ago.

This report about 'what doctors think' has no value. It is a newspaper story made to look like fact and there is no reason to think this levy might ever happen.

Really

Yes REALLY.

The NHS will die.

It cannot go on in its present form, and irrespective of which party is in power at the time. IT WILL DIE.

OK various governments will keep feeding it happy pills (AKA cash) but that will only forestall the inevitable.

Oh and as for the wonderful care in the NHS. Go and ask the relatives of 1200 dead in Staffordshire and those on the Liverpool "care" pathway about the wonderful care.

Bottom line is the NHS has been hijacked by the left as a political football, and judging by some of the comments above, they've got more fans than Man Utd.

But as every football supporter knows, the cups are won by the players on the field, not the supporters in the stands.

Seldom have I read such nonsense (even on Fab).

Nonsense Eh.

So which bit would that be?

You think the NHS can survive as it is?

Maybe you think Staffordshire and Liverpool are a right wing plot as is usually the case whenever the left get caught with their pants down.

Maybe I'm wrong about the cesspit bit, but oh no, the abuse and death threats to the whistleblower are fine in left wing circles, are they?

And any one with an ounce of real compassion DOES get shouted down every time the try to reform the vested interests of the left, whether it be in health or education.

Smear and innuendo are the WMD's of the left and I am well used to them, as I've been fighting the scourge of Socialism my whole life.

I believe that's popular in Spain and Germany. Italy too, lest anyone feels left* out.

* sorry

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over a year ago

"what if you couldn't pay the tenner?"

Where I am, you don't pay there at the hospital...

They send a bill to your home address, (which everyone supplies on arrival)

And it's 100€ here!

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over a year ago

Not read the whole thread, or much of this (although i did see the headline on the front of a paper the other day).

My thoughts;

* This is likely to be lead by the fact that GPs now 'commission' health services, in particular acute/hospital services. As such, they are now aware of the cost implications of running the service as it comes out of their budgets.

* If GPs were more flexible regarding their surgery hours (or you could actually get through to the reception before 9am) people wouldn't chance going to A&E in no emergency services.

* Shutting walk in centres hasn't helped either.

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And any one with an ounce of real compassion DOES get shouted down every time the try to reform the vested interests of the left, whether it be in health or education.

Smear and innuendo are the WMD's of the left and I am well used to them, as I've been fighting the scourge of Socialism my whole life.

What about the vested interest's of the conservative government? A surprising amount of cabinet members and MP's have interests in companies that will benefit from the privitisation of the NHS.

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over a year ago

My two pennies worth-

While one laudable aim of this proposal may be to reduce the number of d*unks who clutter & bed-block A&E the damage that such a proposal COULD do is so great as to negate the benefits. I can envisage situations where people neglect/defer going to A&E when in serious danger simply for fear of the cost. Furthermore, it is entirely conceivable that a person with a relatively minor condition won't go to A&E and will then develop a complication that is more expensive to treat.

If one person dies then all the financial savings won't be worth it. There must be more to life than money and politicians should not be in the business of floating reductive populist policies that have no place in humane society- and I say all this as a higher-rate tax payer so I have more cause than many to resent the feckless and stupid abusing services & benefits!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"what if you couldn't pay the tenner?

Where I am, you don't pay there at the hospital...

They send a bill to your home address, (which everyone supplies on arrival)

And it's 100€ here!

How much of what's owed is ever actually collected, and at what cost?

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over a year ago

The whole system needs a proper re_iew and change, the world today is very different to when the NHS was established. We as a nation are much less resilient, want to rush to the doctor at the merest sniffle, the population is much bigger and we are all getting older meaning the demands on the health service will continue to increase. But no political party will have the balls to do it, partly because of stupid comments from people saying they will gain personally, and mainly because it is such a hot potato and the right answer is not an easy answer.

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over a year ago

Should anyone have doubts about any of the facts of my last post, I can assure them that every word is true and verifiable

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

And any one with an ounce of real compassion DOES get shouted down every time the try to reform the vested interests of the left, whether it be in health or education.

Smear and innuendo are the WMD's of the left and I am well used to them, as I've been fighting the scourge of Socialism my whole life.

What about the vested interest's of the conservative government? A surprising amount of cabinet members and MP's have interests in companies that will benefit from the privitisation of the NHS.

Like who?

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over a year ago

The NHS has always and still is, brilliant at point of need, we are soo very lucky to have it.

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over a year ago

"The NHS has always and still is, brilliant at point of need, we are soo very lucky to have it."

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Should anyone have doubts about any of the facts of my last post, I can assure them that every word is true and verifiable"

Which post is that?

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over a year ago

Its one third of gp saying they think it will help deter folk who turn up for stuff like colds etc and should the person be deemed as being in real need of hospital treatment anyone like this will geta refund.

That means two thirds still believe in the nhs should as was set up as free at point of service and thats how it should remain.

No doubt there is issue with folk that attend a and e without genuinely needing treatment but other ways have to be found.

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And any one with an ounce of real compassion DOES get shouted down every time the try to reform the vested interests of the left, whether it be in health or education.

Smear and innuendo are the WMD's of the left and I am well used to them, as I've been fighting the scourge of Socialism my whole life.

What about the vested interest's of the conservative government? A surprising amount of cabinet members and MP's have interests in companies that will benefit from the privitisation of the NHS.

Like who?"

The links break the forum rules but a simple Google search of "MP's who will benefit from the privitisation of the NHS" will bring up a list of around around 70 with all but a handful being from the coalition government.

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By *oulou45Woman
over a year ago

Bucks

I think it's a good idea. Its not nice when it's full of d*unks.

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over a year ago

And any one with an ounce of real compassion DOES get shouted down every time the try to reform the vested interests of the left, whether it be in health or education.

Smear and innuendo are the WMD's of the left and I am well used to them, as I've been fighting the scourge of Socialism my whole life.

What about the vested interest's of the conservative government? A surprising amount of cabinet members and MP's have interests in companies that will benefit from the privitisation of the NHS.

Like who?

It must be true then!!

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"It's a sad but very realistic thought that the NHS as we've all known and used is a doomed creation.

Can you honestly see such an organisation continuing in its present form? If it were a private company it would have been declared bankrupt many years ago.

This report about 'what doctors think' has no value. It is a newspaper story made to look like fact and there is no reason to think this levy might ever happen.

Really

Yes REALLY.

The NHS will die.

It cannot go on in its present form, and irrespective of which party is in power at the time. IT WILL DIE.

OK various governments will keep feeding it happy pills (AKA cash) but that will only forestall the inevitable.

Oh and as for the wonderful care in the NHS. Go and ask the relatives of 1200 dead in Staffordshire and those on the Liverpool "care" pathway about the wonderful care.

Bottom line is the NHS has been hijacked by the left as a political football, and judging by some of the comments above, they've got more fans than Man Utd.

But as every football supporter knows, the cups are won by the players on the field, not the supporters in the stands.

Seldom have I read such nonsense (even on Fab).

Nonsense Eh.

So which bit would that be?

You think the NHS can survive as it is?

Maybe you think Staffordshire and Liverpool are a right wing plot as is usually the case whenever the left get caught with their pants down.

Maybe I'm wrong about the cesspit bit, but oh no, the abuse and death threats to the whistleblower are fine in left wing circles, are they?

And any one with an ounce of real compassion DOES get shouted down every time the try to reform the vested interests of the left, whether it be in health or education.

Smear and innuendo are the WMD's of the left and I am well used to them, as I've been fighting the scourge of Socialism my whole life.

I believe that's popular in Spain and Germany. Italy too, lest anyone feels left* out.

* sorry

Last time I looked Merkels centre right party was in charge in Germany, The Partido Popular (centre right) were running Spain, clearing up the socialist PSOE's mess BTW. and Italy after Berlusconi (I really wouldn't know what label to attach to him) has been a political basket case for decades.

The one you (maybe deliberately) missed out was France. There the Socialists are in charge, and the shit that they are in doesn't bear thinking about.

Another point worth mentioning is that Greece was socialist controlled before the EU puppet government was imposed, and Portugal was also a left wing government before their crisis.

Funny isn't it, bankruptcy follows Socialism like a dog follows its master.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Spain, an hour ahead and 70 years behind.

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By *atelotmanMan
over a year ago

Chatham

"So the poeple who have to choose between heating or food now have to keep a tenner back in case they need a&e as well!"

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By *oulou45Woman
over a year ago

Bucks

"If u go to A&E here in ireland you have to pay €100 and if you go to out patient clinics its another €100 so i think £10 is very cheap for you to pay in the uk if it was brought in. "

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"Should anyone have doubts about any of the facts of my last post, I can assure them that every word is true and verifiable

Which post is that?"

"The last one". You quoted it as 'nonsense', I think

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By *oulou45Woman
over a year ago

Bucks

"So the poeple who have to choose between heating or food now have to keep a tenner back in case they need a&e as well!

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I work full time I struggle to pay my bills etc. Yet I still think its a good idea. Chances are I would have to borrow a tenner from a family member so I know I wouldn't go to a&e unless I thought it was an emergency.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Should anyone have doubts about any of the facts of my last post, I can assure them that every word is true and verifiable

Which post is that?

"The last one". You quoted it as 'nonsense', I think"

The post I said was nonsense was _otlovefun42's.

The rest are just quotes of quotes.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So the poeple who have to choose between heating or food now have to keep a tenner back in case they need a&e as well!

I work full time I struggle to pay my bills etc. Yet I still think its a good idea. Chances are I would have to borrow a tenner from a family member so I know I wouldn't go to a&e unless I thought it was an emergency. "

Surely you wouldn't go to A&E anyway, unless you thought it was an emergency.

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over a year ago

The NHS is a wonderful service for those that don't pay for it. It's a disgrace for those that do. I've worked for the NHS for 22 years, and had private health insurance for 20 years. I value my life and health, and that of those I hold dear.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Spain, an hour ahead and 70 years behind."

On that we agree.

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over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Should anyone have doubts about any of the facts of my last post, I can assure them that every word is true and verifiable

Which post is that?

"The last one". You quoted it as 'nonsense', I think

The post I said was nonsense was _otlovefun42's.

The rest are just quotes of quotes."

Yes but you didn't fancy taking on the detail

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over a year ago

To the poster who says bankruptcy follows socialism lets have reminder of capitalism and the free market at work.

Black thursday when tories had majority in one day due to incompetence interest rates went up five times in one day killing off thousands of jobs and businesses in one foul stroke.

Fonanciak sector now banks and their unregulated free reign to do as they wish caused the financial melton in 2008 from which we will not fully recover.

Privatisation now energy companies since privatisation have rode roughshod over folk to point of mess we are in cost wise and not regulated enough.

Railways another example of failed privatisation which has only helped shareholdets and not the users and taxpayers.

So whrn criticising socialism et remember the above.

Do not get me wrong socialism has had failures too.

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