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What do you think should be done about food poverty

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By *aravancouple OP   Man
over a year ago

A Secret Hideaway In the caravan of love

Aside from fuel bills always going through the roof, dramatically rising food bills are also a big issue. Worryingly, there's been a lot in the press recently about how busy food banks have become. In the extreme situation, if you were to find yourself having to ask for help, where would you turn first? Family, food banks, your local community? Suspect there are probably many people who are too proud to ask for help and are making do on very little.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

id go without as I usually do

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

IF I had to ask for help it would be family. Thankfully I'm not in that position

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having witnessed at first hand the victims of famine and drought which were the results of both man made and natural causes….

I feel so sad that food poverty even exists in this country ……

We have choices in this country and yet we still allow some of our citizens to suffer unnecessarily because greed comes before need in the eyes of so many….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I honestly don't understand how anyone can not afford food, I know a few unemployed people who smoke, if benefits gives you enough to buy fags how can you not afford food?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

COMMUTERS arriving at Glasgow’s Central Station “overwhelmed” rail and charity bosses with food donations within minutes of the start of a 12-hour charity drive.

As soon as the food bank opened at 7am today, there was a flurry of passengers handing over bags of groceries to a Network Rail trailer set up in the middle of the station.

Within an hour, rail staff were having to move the donations to another area of the station to make way for more donations.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/u/glasgows-central-station-turns-into-foodbank.1394697355

I'm enormously proud of the way Scots have rallied to this cause but it's a bloody disgrace it should be necessary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we need a population cull

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When you have a choice between keeping your home warm for your children, buying them clothes and paying for school supplies and uniform or food you go without food yourself. I've done it and don't drink or smoke. Unexpected bills turn up and the only thing you can cut back on is your own meals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think people need to take responsibility for themselves and those who depend on them. If you are unemployed you should not be thinking of having children.

The state should work as a safety net for unforeseen circumstances such as illness or temporary unemployment not as an alternative to getting a job and putting in an honest day's work.

The vast majority of ppl in the UK have it far too easy; council house, benefits, all sorts of allowances and exemptions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"we need a population cull"

yes indeed.

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By *raggleRocCouple
over a year ago

Morpeth


"I think people need to take responsibility for themselves and those who depend on them. If you are unemployed you should not be thinking of having children.

The state should work as a safety net for unforeseen circumstances such as illness or temporary unemployment not as an alternative to getting a job and putting in an honest day's work.

The vast majority of ppl in the UK have it far too easy; council house, benefits, all sorts of allowances and exemptions. "

What a load of absolute nonsense,since when is a council house easy

? What allowances and exemptions are you referring to?

Could you tell me what people that have had worked then have children then fine themselves unemployed or divorced supposed to do with their children?

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire


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The vast majority of ppl in the UK have it far too easy; council house, benefits, all sorts of allowances and exemptions. "

I'd be interested in that source

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Food poverty is going to get worse due to drought eating habits and money.

I actually think gm foods could help but is it a good way and financially viable way ?

Better use of land for farming and sensible eating could help but who knows ?

The future is ours no matter how bleak they try make it look

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people need to take responsibility for themselves and those who depend on them. If you are unemployed you should not be thinking of having children.

The state should work as a safety net for unforeseen circumstances such as illness or temporary unemployment not as an alternative to getting a job and putting in an honest day's work.

The vast majority of ppl in the UK have it far too easy; council house, benefits, all sorts of allowances and exemptions.

What a load of absolute nonsense,since when is a council house easy

? What allowances and exemptions are you referring to?

Could you tell me what people that have had worked then have children then fine themselves unemployed or divorced supposed to do with their children?

"

I don't think you read that right. It should be a safety net for people who find themselves in trouble. Not just another way to do things without working and helping yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly don't understand how anyone can not afford food, I know a few unemployed people who smoke, if benefits gives you enough to buy fags how can you not afford food? "

You don't understand because you haven't been in that situation. No one is safe as this life is full of unexpected surprises. If you think that someone who is getting £300 a month from benefits can afford food just cause you see them smoking then your jumping into quick judgement. Smoking is an addiction. I used to smoke when I had £0.00 income. Means nothing. Also the benefit system is becoming very harsh these days. Most are not getting them regularly and their benefit get stopped for any rubish reason. People are starving indeed. They need sympathy support and solidarity not judgements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly don't understand how anyone can not afford food, I know a few unemployed people who smoke, if benefits gives you enough to buy fags how can you not afford food?

You don't understand because you haven't been in that situation. No one is safe as this life is full of unexpected surprises. If you think that someone who is getting £300 a month from benefits can afford food just cause you see them smoking then your jumping into quick judgement. Smoking is an addiction. I used to smoke when I had £0.00 income. Means nothing. Also the benefit system is becoming very harsh these days. Most are not getting them regularly and their benefit get stopped for any rubish reason. People are starving indeed. They need sympathy support and solidarity not judgements. "

How did you smoke with no money?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely one solution would be utilising the excessive waste from supermarkets...Tesco has admitted dumping 28 tonnes of food in a 6 month period!! Add that to all the others and there would be "fresh" food for a lot of people on a daily basis?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly like most single mothers, they never asked to be in that position.

Circumstances change ( unless of course they laid on their back on purpose )

I find it annoying how some think your holding your hand out on the scrounge, even your average married couple with 2.4 children are having to use food banks.

Council accomadation is not freely given lightly either.

Go without to give to your kids, as long as they have a good meal warmth, and a lot of love that's all that matters.

Her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly don't understand how anyone can not afford food, I know a few unemployed people who smoke, if benefits gives you enough to buy fags how can you not afford food?

You don't understand because you haven't been in that situation. No one is safe as this life is full of unexpected surprises. If you think that someone who is getting £300 a month from benefits can afford food just cause you see them smoking then your jumping into quick judgement. Smoking is an addiction. I used to smoke when I had £0.00 income. Means nothing. Also the benefit system is becoming very harsh these days. Most are not getting them regularly and their benefit get stopped for any rubish reason. People are starving indeed. They need sympathy support and solidarity not judgements. "

I agree with you totally people should be helped, but not just families single men as well. i do think that people should be more responsible and think more before they have children and how much they will cost and not expect to be given hand outs for everything all the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people need to take responsibility for themselves and those who depend on them. If you are unemployed you should not be thinking of having children.

The state should work as a safety net for unforeseen circumstances such as illness or temporary unemployment not as an alternative to getting a job and putting in an honest day's work.

The vast majority of ppl in the UK have it far too easy; council house, benefits, all sorts of allowances and exemptions. "

People that do an honest day's work still get fuck all at the end of it. People need an incentive. The gap between rich and poor is greater than ever before. Conduct a proper overhaul of the financial system and you might find that there's enough money to pay the bottom tier of society properly.

Or blame the poor, because that's easier. Ask yourself "what would the Daily Mail do?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When you have a choice between keeping your home warm for your children, buying them clothes and paying for school supplies and uniform or food you go without food yourself. I've done it and don't drink or smoke. Unexpected bills turn up and the only thing you can cut back on is your own meals"
I have gone without food just to make sure my son would eat. The longest was 3 days as there was only enough for him till I got paid. Yes I was working and no I don't drink or smoke just very poor pay and part time as was single parent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It might be worth noting; to those of you who wanna blame the poor, and those on benefits that more and more WORKING families have been reduced to having to use foodbanks as they are on disgustingly low pay or those lovely and not at all humiliating zero hour contracts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people need to take responsibility for themselves and those who depend on them. If you are unemployed you should not be thinking of having children.

The state should work as a safety net for unforeseen circumstances such as illness or temporary unemployment not as an alternative to getting a job and putting in an honest day's work.

The vast majority of ppl in the UK have it far too easy; council house, benefits, all sorts of allowances and exemptions. "

Whilst I agree about the part about the state being a safety net I think the rest of this statement is utter tosh. The vast majority ? From the ministry of made up daily mail statistics ? Unemployed not having children ? Unemployment may happen after you have planned children. Just a thought to think .............

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been unemployed. It's a shit existence, job hunting costs money and when you've less than 70 quid a week and each inter_iew costs a fiver in public transport it soon starts to disappear. I'd walk home several miles to save a couple of quid

Add in you need a working mobile and internet connection and bills to pay then how much is left? I lived on cheap pasta, cheap veg, cheap bread and the occasional treat of what ever was available in the reduced section.

It was a crap existence, no luxuries, no socialising, horrible. And I lived it for only a few months. I feel for anyone in that situation longterm. And I would have used foodbanks like a shock had they been an option.

I'm not denying there are scroungers but they are in the minority. People who have never been unemployed should stop being so fucking judgemental and speak to people in the real world rather than believe the crap they read in a biased media or on sensationalist tv.

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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I truly feel for the genuine and wish them better fortune soon.

For the scroungers, I feel very little.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"we need a population cull"

who is volunteering first then lol

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey

When Mr B lost his job and he was unemployed for a few months it was a huge struggle.

We were only entitled to basic job seekers allowance, which doesn't go far when you have a mortgage and all the household bills to pay.

Food shopping was depressing...only brought value range or reduced goods, we lived more of less on pasta and cereal.

It was a truly depressing and stressful few months and one I hope we don't have to repeat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else "

In what way?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I truly feel for the genuine and wish them better fortune soon.

For the scroungers, I feel very little.

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This and there are far to many scroungers. They need to be sorted out

Its not just statistics we may read about. I'll bet we all know someone that is taking the p*** out of the system in one way or another

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

In what way?"

Not sending money to India so they can have a space program and a huge aircraft carrier for starters

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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago

Blackpool


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

In what way?"
i think we should cancel foreign aid and spend it on this country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

In what way? i think we should cancel foreign aid and spend it on this country "

Yes yes yes. While it's so sad to see little kids in other countries starving etc. We have people here made homeless by disasters, old people dying from the cold , children suffering through no fault of their own. Help ours first !!!!

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By *oulou45Woman
over a year ago

Bucks


"I've been unemployed. It's a shit existence, job hunting costs money and when you've less than 70 quid a week and each inter_iew costs a fiver in public transport it soon starts to disappear. I'd walk home several miles to save a couple of quid

Add in you need a working mobile and internet connection and bills to pay then how much is left? I lived on cheap pasta, cheap veg, cheap bread and the occasional treat of what ever was available in the reduced section.

It was a crap existence, no luxuries, no socialising, horrible. And I lived it for only a few months. I feel for anyone in that situation longterm. And I would have used foodbanks like a shock had they been an option.

I'm not denying there are scroungers but they are in the minority. People who have never been unemployed should stop being so fucking judgemental and speak to people in the real world rather than believe the crap they read in a biased media or on sensationalist tv."

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By *uslaffMan
over a year ago

manchester


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

In what way?

Not sending money to India so they can have a space program and a huge aircraft carrier for starters "

Everyone's entitled to a space programme. Why shouldn't they seek help if they can't really afford one.

Its colonial aid and long may it continue.

New Zealand should have one too !

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

In what way? i think we should cancel foreign aid and spend it on this country "

I never understand this line of thinking. Why is somebody in the uk more deserving of help than someone in another country ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The best thing would be to find people real jobs with living wages for those who are able to work and look after pensioners properly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

In what way? i think we should cancel foreign aid and spend it on this country

I never understand this line of thinking. Why is somebody in the uk more deserving of help than someone in another country ?"

well its just not possible to look after everyone is it. so it makes sense to look after people in this country first. if your family were starving, you wouldnt ignore them and feed others would you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been unemployed. It's a shit existence, job hunting costs money and when you've less than 70 quid a week and each inter_iew costs a fiver in public transport it soon starts to disappear. I'd walk home several miles to save a couple of quid

Add in you need a working mobile and internet connection and bills to pay then how much is left? I lived on cheap pasta, cheap veg, cheap bread and the occasional treat of what ever was available in the reduced section.

It was a crap existence, no luxuries, no socialising, horrible. And I lived it for only a few months. I feel for anyone in that situation longterm. And I would have used foodbanks like a shock had they been an option.

I'm not denying there are scroungers but they are in the minority. People who have never been unemployed should stop being so fucking judgemental and speak to people in the real world rather than believe the crap they read in a biased media or on sensationalist tv."

There are times where I survived eating smart price asda's porridge and boiled water.for a whole week. Other times I didnt even have that. When I was on job seakers for over a year they stop my benefit for stupid reasons. Like being 5mn late on the signing day or the confusion I get from their constant change to the way you record your job search activity. They are there to judge you not to help and they dont give a shit if you starve as a concequance of cutting your benefit.Once I was helping a friend with some DIY work and I was wearing my diy jeans which have lots of old paint in them that u can see in one of my pics. I had to go signing wearing them and for my surpise I have been harshly i.terogated and accused of working while on benefits no matter how I tried to explain. Any way I was supposed to earn 70 a week from benefit. I only got 600 and odd in 12 months from sunctions and wrong unfair judgements. When you're working. You pay 20% tax on your income plus 20% of the rest on every item you buy in the market plus tax for having a roof on your head plus tax for water, tv and for walking on the paivement you pay tax. We might even pay tax for breathing without knowing it and when you dont find a job because of this failed government you get the blame for everything and all sorts of judgements. Ppl should show more empathy and stop jumping to judging ppl who they think are less fortunate cause they might be in the same situation in the future. I've seen it happen to the best.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

In what way? i think we should cancel foreign aid and spend it on this country

I never understand this line of thinking. Why is somebody in the uk more deserving of help than someone in another country ?

well its just not possible to look after everyone is it. so it makes sense to look after people in this country first. if your family were starving, you wouldnt ignore them and feed others would you."

Nope, still don't get it. What has location got to do with a persons needs ? Of course I would want my family looking after first, regardless of where they lived.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I've been unemployed. It's a shit existence, job hunting costs money and when you've less than 70 quid a week and each inter_iew costs a fiver in public transport it soon starts to disappear. I'd walk home several miles to save a couple of quid

Add in you need a working mobile and internet connection and bills to pay then how much is left? I lived on cheap pasta, cheap veg, cheap bread and the occasional treat of what ever was available in the reduced section.

It was a crap existence, no luxuries, no socialising, horrible. And I lived it for only a few months. I feel for anyone in that situation longterm. And I would have used foodbanks like a shock had they been an option.

I'm not denying there are scroungers but they are in the minority. People who have never been unemployed should stop being so fucking judgemental and speak to people in the real world rather than believe the crap they read in a biased media or on sensationalist tv. "

Could not agree more. Seems like empathy is a thing of the past.

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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago

Blackpool


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

In what way? i think we should cancel foreign aid and spend it on this country

I never understand this line of thinking. Why is somebody in the uk more deserving of help than someone in another country ?

well its just not possible to look after everyone is it. so it makes sense to look after people in this country first. if your family were starving, you wouldnt ignore them and feed others would you."
well said

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"we need a population cull

yes indeed."

Just for clarity - are either of you volunteering to be culled or to do the culling?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

In what way? i think we should cancel foreign aid and spend it on this country

I never understand this line of thinking. Why is somebody in the uk more deserving of help than someone in another country ?

well its just not possible to look after everyone is it. so it makes sense to look after people in this country first. if your family were starving, you wouldnt ignore them and feed others would you."

Actually it's perfectly possible. But the way the world's wealth is distributed makes it impractical.

Similarly there is no need for anyone to be impoverished within the UK, but those at the top take and don't give back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

In what way? i think we should cancel foreign aid and spend it on this country "

That old chestnut.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A society where people need to use food banks is arguably far from a civilised one, a society where people demonise and resent people that use food banks is the very definition of fucked up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i think the uk should look after its self not everybody else

In what way? i think we should cancel foreign aid and spend it on this country

Yes yes yes. While it's so sad to see little kids in other countries starving etc. We have people here made homeless by disasters, old people dying from the cold , children suffering through no fault of their own. Help ours first !!!!"

Oh yeah, coz it's like the Syrian crisis here everyday, isn't it?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"A society where people need to use food banks is arguably far from a civilised one, a society where people demonise and resent people that use food banks is the very definition of fucked up."

Agreed.

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

An offender manager (probation officer) I work alonside broke down last week at a union meeting after admitting he had to use a food bank.

He also had to walk out in embarrassment after one of the offenders he manages also went to the food bank for help.

Poverty is effecting everyone, we need a solution before it's too late.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

throw a loaf of bread down on the ground in a famine stricken country

throw one down here........

can anyone envisage both outcomes?

*be careful what u wish for people..when people are truly on the hunger line, they will get desperate/dangerous...thankfully our benefits system does work(on the grand scheme of things)..imagine we took everyones money away that didnt work?

Imagine if our money wasnt spent on securing profit in other parts of the world

Imagine there was no greedy people who have more than enough of what they need?

we dont live in perfect societies in any current age...but we are not a 3rd world country

and to be honest?..with such a large amount of indigenous people(any race)in Britain..theres lots of people who will take up and contribute to society that come from 3rd world countries

hard one to figure out eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately for Britain, the gullible believed Tony B.Liar & Gormless Brown when he said “things can only get better” & voted them in for 13 years.

Let’s have a look at what those 13 years did for the working class that voted for them

Let in millions of immigrants nailing the poorest workers wages to the floor. Harry Enfield used to take the piss with a character called “loads of money”- a working class plasterer. Now British plasterers & tradesman are skint competing against eastern Europeans.

Taxed the best pensions industry in the world by £5 billion a year until it collapsed.

Taxed the beer in pubs so much that half the pubs have been wiped out.

More than doubled Council tax.

More than doubled house prices-where was Brown’s “Socialist moral compass” when he was pricing the poor out of affordable housing?

Indulged Britain with a massive expansion of credit. People used to have savings. Now they manage debt.

Increased National insurance.

Doubled the income tax the poorest workers paid.

Over a hundred new stealth taxes that we all pay.

Increased the duty on fuel & trebled the price of petrol.

Brought in “No win no fee” lawyers, which has dramatically increased insurance costs for everyone.

Left the largest peace time deficit in history £169 billion every year which goes on top of the huge National debt which is now well over one trillion.

Depreciated the pound by 25% because of the fuck-witted running of the economy.

Created a million public sector non jobs & lavished money on people on the dole creating the “Client state” of grateful Labour supporters.

Gave away our rebate & we now give £50 million a day to Europe.

Licked the EU’s arse so much that it was positively gleaming.

That’s just what’s come off the top of my head without research No wonder the poor are so poor. To say that the Labour party is the party of the working class is a fucking joke, they’ve treated them like shit.

The fact of the matter is that the British worker never ever had it so good as they did under Maggie Thatcher. Socialism always runs out of other people’s money. We learnt that lesson once, it looks like people will have to get even poorer to re-learn the lesson. If socialism is so good, why is North Korea so poor?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"....We learnt that lesson once, it looks like people will have to get even poorer to re-learn the lesson. If socialism is so good, why is North Korea so poor?

"

It's not. It's rich, a bit like here.

It's just the government which keeps the people poor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Unfortunately for Britain, the gullible believed Tony B.Liar & Gormless Brown when he said “things can only get better” & voted them in for 13 years.

Let’s have a look at what those 13 years did for the working class that voted for them

Let in millions of immigrants nailing the poorest workers wages to the floor. Harry Enfield used to take the piss with a character called “loads of money”- a working class plasterer. Now British plasterers & tradesman are skint competing against eastern Europeans.

Taxed the best pensions industry in the world by £5 billion a year until it collapsed.

Taxed the beer in pubs so much that half the pubs have been wiped out.

More than doubled Council tax.

More than doubled house prices-where was Brown’s “Socialist moral compass” when he was pricing the poor out of affordable housing?

Indulged Britain with a massive expansion of credit. People used to have savings. Now they manage debt.

Increased National insurance.

Doubled the income tax the poorest workers paid.

Over a hundred new stealth taxes that we all pay.

Increased the duty on fuel & trebled the price of petrol.

Brought in “No win no fee” lawyers, which has dramatically increased insurance costs for everyone.

Left the largest peace time deficit in history £169 billion every year which goes on top of the huge National debt which is now well over one trillion.

Depreciated the pound by 25% because of the fuck-witted running of the economy.

Created a million public sector non jobs & lavished money on people on the dole creating the “Client state” of grateful Labour supporters.

Gave away our rebate & we now give £50 million a day to Europe.

Licked the EU’s arse so much that it was positively gleaming.

That’s just what’s come off the top of my head without research No wonder the poor are so poor. To say that the Labour party is the party of the working class is a fucking joke, they’ve treated them like shit.

The fact of the matter is that the British worker never ever had it so good as they did under Maggie Thatcher. Socialism always runs out of other people’s money. We learnt that lesson once, it looks like people will have to get even poorer to re-learn the lesson. If socialism is so good, why is North Korea so poor?

"

You need to recheck half of that a big chunk was outside the Blair era. You also forgot all the energy companies, council houses and the rest of our assets Thatcher sold to balance the books. And wasn't lods a money from the late Thatcher era?

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over a year ago


"....We learnt that lesson once, it looks like people will have to get even poorer to re-learn the lesson. If socialism is so good, why is North Korea so poor?

It's not. It's rich, a bit like here.

It's just the government which keeps the people poor."

Yeah North Korea is really rich isn't it! A socialist paradise!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"we need a population cull"

Yeah...start with the fucking politicians on inflated salaries cutting pensions and everything else under the sun that enables the poor to remain poor!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Unfortunately for Britain, the gullible believed Tony B.Liar & Gormless Brown when he said “things can only get better” & voted them in for 13 years.

Let’s have a look at what those 13 years did for the working class that voted for them

Let in millions of immigrants nailing the poorest workers wages to the floor. Harry Enfield used to take the piss with a character called “loads of money”- a working class plasterer. Now British plasterers & tradesman are skint competing against eastern Europeans.

Taxed the best pensions industry in the world by £5 billion a year until it collapsed.

Taxed the beer in pubs so much that half the pubs have been wiped out.

More than doubled Council tax.

More than doubled house prices-where was Brown’s “Socialist moral compass” when he was pricing the poor out of affordable housing?

Indulged Britain with a massive expansion of credit. People used to have savings. Now they manage debt.

Increased National insurance.

Doubled the income tax the poorest workers paid.

Over a hundred new stealth taxes that we all pay.

Increased the duty on fuel & trebled the price of petrol.

Brought in “No win no fee” lawyers, which has dramatically increased insurance costs for everyone.

Left the largest peace time deficit in history £169 billion every year which goes on top of the huge National debt which is now well over one trillion.

Depreciated the pound by 25% because of the fuck-witted running of the economy.

Created a million public sector non jobs & lavished money on people on the dole creating the “Client state” of grateful Labour supporters.

Gave away our rebate & we now give £50 million a day to Europe.

Licked the EU’s arse so much that it was positively gleaming.

That’s just what’s come off the top of my head without research No wonder the poor are so poor. To say that the Labour party is the party of the working class is a fucking joke, they’ve treated them like shit.

The fact of the matter is that the British worker never ever had it so good as they did under Maggie Thatcher. Socialism always runs out of other people’s money. We learnt that lesson once, it looks like people will have to get even poorer to re-learn the lesson. If socialism is so good, why is North Korea so poor?

You need to recheck half of that a big chunk was outside the Blair era. You also forgot all the energy companies, council houses and the rest of our assets Thatcher sold to balance the books. And wasn't lods a money from the late Thatcher era? "

All in the B.Liar & Brown era I'm afraid. Please check facts before critising & please point out exactly which points you refer to so I can prove you wrong. Oh & the Councils kept the money for Council houses. Not central Government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brought in “No win no fee” lawyers, which has dramatically increased insurance costs for everyone.

"

How did the government bring them in? Or did they just emerge under their administration? And was that emergence not down to a society that has blindly followed America's compensation culture?

I could challenge some of the others just as easily, but it's late

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Unfortunately for Britain, the gullible believed Tony B.Liar & Gormless Brown when he said “things can only get better” & voted them in for 13 years.

Let’s have a look at what those 13 years did for the working class that voted for them

Let in millions of immigrants nailing the poorest workers wages to the floor. Harry Enfield used to take the piss with a character called “loads of money”- a working class plasterer. Now British plasterers & tradesman are skint competing against eastern Europeans.

Taxed the best pensions industry in the world by £5 billion a year until it collapsed.

Taxed the beer in pubs so much that half the pubs have been wiped out.

More than doubled Council tax.

More than doubled house prices-where was Brown’s “Socialist moral compass” when he was pricing the poor out of affordable housing?

Indulged Britain with a massive expansion of credit. People used to have savings. Now they manage debt.

Increased National insurance.

Doubled the income tax the poorest workers paid.

Over a hundred new stealth taxes that we all pay.

Increased the duty on fuel & trebled the price of petrol.

Brought in “No win no fee” lawyers, which has dramatically increased insurance costs for everyone.

Left the largest peace time deficit in history £169 billion every year which goes on top of the huge National debt which is now well over one trillion.

Depreciated the pound by 25% because of the fuck-witted running of the economy.

Created a million public sector non jobs & lavished money on people on the dole creating the “Client state” of grateful Labour supporters.

Gave away our rebate & we now give £50 million a day to Europe.

Licked the EU’s arse so much that it was positively gleaming.

That’s just what’s come off the top of my head without research No wonder the poor are so poor. To say that the Labour party is the party of the working class is a fucking joke, they’ve treated them like shit.

The fact of the matter is that the British worker never ever had it so good as they did under Maggie Thatcher. Socialism always runs out of other people’s money. We learnt that lesson once, it looks like people will have to get even poorer to re-learn the lesson. If socialism is so good, why is North Korea so poor?

"

Also what on earth has any of that got to do with this thread? Or are you saying people who use foodbanks brought on themselves if they voted labour?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simply because the bill in Parliament was passed in 2003. B.Liar & his hideous wife were both Lawyers & so made a fucking great big gravy train for lawyers. Challenge any other point & I will gladly educate you in more detail!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"....We learnt that lesson once, it looks like people will have to get even poorer to re-learn the lesson. If socialism is so good, why is North Korea so poor?

It's not. It's rich, a bit like here.

It's just the government which keeps the people poor.

Yeah North Korea is really rich isn't it! A socialist paradise! "

Korea has money for everything it needs, except wages for the population.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Simply because the bill in Parliament was passed in 2003. B.Liar & his hideous wife were both Lawyers & so made a fucking great big gravy train for lawyers. Challenge any other point & I will gladly educate you in more detail! "

You educate me lmfao yeh right love it what in cut and pasting things you don't understand from other websites lol right go for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brought in “No win no fee” lawyers, which has dramatically increased insurance costs for everyone.

How did the government bring them in? Or did they just emerge under their administration? And was that emergence not down to a society that has blindly followed America's compensation culture?

I could challenge some of the others just as easily, but it's late"

The no win no fee was passed by parliament prior to the labor government you are right on that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Simply because the bill in Parliament was passed in 2003. B.Liar & his hideous wife were both Lawyers & so made a fucking great big gravy train for lawyers. Challenge any other point & I will gladly educate you in more detail! "

Are you sure about that? Because a quick Google search throws up countless references from a variety of sources all suggesting that you are a decade out?

Oh and I think it was the Jackson Report commissionwd while Labour were in control that tried to limit the rise of compensation culture...

Anything else you care to "educate" me about?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Conditional fee arrangements were proposed in the UK in 1990 and introduced about 5 years later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Conditional fee arrangements were proposed in the UK in 1990 and introduced about 5 years later."

Mind you we have already established that he seems to have trouble correlating dates to events...

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No win no fee was introduced in the 90's, but it was the B.Liar Government that upgraded it so that his lawyer mates could chase ambulances to earn huge fees. Here is the official Labour party propaganda machine giving the facts...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7387796.stm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No win no fee was introduced in the 90's, but it was the B.Liar Government that upgraded it so that his lawyer mates could chase ambulances to earn huge fees. Here is the official Labour party propaganda machine giving the facts...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7387796.stm"

But that's not what you said earlier in this thread you said Blair and his hideous missis did it in 2003. Make your mind up you are contradicting your self now. Oh and I take it now you agree it was passed by the Tories in the 1990's now.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

It's ok folks, I have the solution. We should invade the Yanks and steal all their burgers.

Ryan is our leader

Having said that, we might not actually manage to bring that many back

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

Simple solution - Soylent Green

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham


"Unfortunately for Britain, the gullible believed Tony B.Liar & Gormless Brown when he said “things can only get better” & voted them in for 13 years.

Let’s have a look at what those 13 years did for the working class that voted for them

Let in millions of immigrants nailing the poorest workers wages to the floor. Harry Enfield used to take the piss with a character called “loads of money”- a working class plasterer. Now British plasterers & tradesman are skint competing against eastern Europeans.

Taxed the best pensions industry in the world by £5 billion a year until it collapsed.

Taxed the beer in pubs so much that half the pubs have been wiped out.

More than doubled Council tax.

More than doubled house prices-where was Brown’s “Socialist moral compass” when he was pricing the poor out of affordable housing?

Indulged Britain with a massive expansion of credit. People used to have savings. Now they manage debt.

Increased National insurance.

Doubled the income tax the poorest workers paid.

Over a hundred new stealth taxes that we all pay.

Increased the duty on fuel & trebled the price of petrol.

Brought in “No win no fee” lawyers, which has dramatically increased insurance costs for everyone.

Left the largest peace time deficit in history £169 billion every year which goes on top of the huge National debt which is now well over one trillion.

Depreciated the pound by 25% because of the fuck-witted running of the economy.

Created a million public sector non jobs & lavished money on people on the dole creating the “Client state” of grateful Labour supporters.

Gave away our rebate & we now give £50 million a day to Europe.

Licked the EU’s arse so much that it was positively gleaming.

That’s just what’s come off the top of my head without research No wonder the poor are so poor. To say that the Labour party is the party of the working class is a fucking joke, they’ve treated them like shit.

The fact of the matter is that the British worker never ever had it so good as they did under Maggie Thatcher. Socialism always runs out of other people’s money. We learnt that lesson once, it looks like people will have to get even poorer to re-learn the lesson. If socialism is so good, why is North Korea so poor?

"

The gold.

Don't forget the moron sold all our gold

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people need to take responsibility for themselves and those who depend on them. If you are unemployed you should not be thinking of having children.

The state should work as a safety net for unforeseen circumstances such as illness or temporary unemployment not as an alternative to getting a job and putting in an honest day's work.

The vast majority of ppl in the UK have it far too easy; council house, benefits, all sorts of allowances and exemptions. "

Whilst I agree with most of what you say, not all council tenants have it easy or on benefits. I work hard, don't claim a penny and when times were tough got a pt job

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people need to take responsibility for themselves and those who depend on them. If you are unemployed you should not be thinking of having children.

The state should work as a safety net for unforeseen circumstances such as illness or temporary unemployment not as an alternative to getting a job and putting in an honest day's work.

The vast majority of ppl in the UK have it far too easy; council house, benefits, all sorts of allowances and exemptions. "

Whilst I agree with most of what you say, not all council tenants have it easy or on benefits. I work hard, don't claim a penny and when times were tough got a pt job

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Unfortunately for Britain, the gullible believed Tony B.Liar & Gormless Brown when he said “things can only get better” & voted them in for 13 years.

Let’s have a look at what those 13 years did for the working class that voted for them

Let in millions of immigrants nailing the poorest workers wages to the floor. Harry Enfield used to take the piss with a character called “loads of money”- a working class plasterer. Now British plasterers & tradesman are skint competing against eastern Europeans.

Taxed the best pensions industry in the world by £5 billion a year until it collapsed.

Taxed the beer in pubs so much that half the pubs have been wiped out.

More than doubled Council tax.

More than doubled house prices-where was Brown’s “Socialist moral compass” when he was pricing the poor out of affordable housing?

Indulged Britain with a massive expansion of credit. People used to have savings. Now they manage debt.

Increased National insurance.

Doubled the income tax the poorest workers paid.

Over a hundred new stealth taxes that we all pay.

Increased the duty on fuel & trebled the price of petrol.

Brought in “No win no fee” lawyers, which has dramatically increased insurance costs for everyone.

Left the largest peace time deficit in history £169 billion every year which goes on top of the huge National debt which is now well over one trillion.

Depreciated the pound by 25% because of the fuck-witted running of the economy.

Created a million public sector non jobs & lavished money on people on the dole creating the “Client state” of grateful Labour supporters.

Gave away our rebate & we now give £50 million a day to Europe.

Licked the EU’s arse so much that it was positively gleaming.

That’s just what’s come off the top of my head without research No wonder the poor are so poor. To say that the Labour party is the party of the working class is a fucking joke, they’ve treated them like shit.

The fact of the matter is that the British worker never ever had it so good as they did under Maggie Thatcher. Socialism always runs out of other people’s money. We learnt that lesson once, it looks like people will have to get even poorer to re-learn the lesson. If socialism is so good, why is North Korea so poor?

The gold.

Don't forget the moron sold all our gold

"

And let's not forget that thousands of children were lifted OUT of the poverty which nearly 2 years of Tory government had plunged them in. And which has been rapidly and savagely undone by this Tory government.

Whilst I loathed Blair (the false Labourite) he did more to relieve poverty than any other recent PM.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

*nearly 2 decades of tory government that should say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Let in millions of immigrants nailing the poorest workers wages to the floor. Harry Enfield used to take the piss with a character called “loads of money”- a working class plasterer. Now British plasterers & tradesman are skint competing against eastern Europeans.

"

Surely you can see that does not make sense? How can British labourers be skint because of Eastern immigrant competition? Wouldn't the others be skint as well? If someone is doing a good job for a lower price you need to get your act together and compete by either doing a better job or having a lower price.

I remember many years ago, my female friends saying that it was not worth getting a job because British nannies and nurseries were so expensive they might as well stay home (these were highly educated career women who were fortunate to be able to live off their husbands' income alone). Then ten years later there was a massive influx of eastern European au-pairs and all of a sudden these sort of women were able to get back to work. I see this as a good thing.

Many of the jobs and small businesses that immigrants start were there for the taking, just tasks that Brits did not want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No win no fee was introduced in the 90's, but it was the B.Liar Government that upgraded it so that his lawyer mates could chase ambulances to earn huge fees. Here is the official Labour party propaganda machine giving the facts...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7387796.stm

But that's not what you said earlier in this thread you said Blair and his hideous missis did it in 2003. Make your mind up you are contradicting your self now. Oh and I take it now you agree it was passed by the Tories in the 1990's now. "

to everyone else reading it, it's not even close to what he said, yet according to Betrie it's the same thing

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

'We will eradicate poverty'..Donald Dewar Labour politician...a pre election promise back in the nineties.....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"'We will eradicate poverty'..Donald Dewar Labour politician...a pre election promise back in the nineties....."

As I recall, he said we will eradicate THE CAUSES of poverty.

Donald died in late 2000. Much missed.

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham


"

Let in millions of immigrants nailing the poorest workers wages to the floor. Harry Enfield used to take the piss with a character called “loads of money”- a working class plasterer. Now British plasterers & tradesman are skint competing against eastern Europeans.

Surely you can see that does not make sense? How can British labourers be skint because of Eastern immigrant competition? Wouldn't the others be skint as well? If someone is doing a good job for a lower price you need to get your act together and compete by either doing a better job or having a lower price. "

The word "skint" is misleading.

It's more a case of being a whole load poorer now that there's so much competition from the additions to the UK workforce.

Someone mentioned that many more people use foodbanks that are now working, one of the reasons for that would be the previous governments open door policy on our borders which has certainly "nailed the poorest workers wages to the floor"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"'We will eradicate poverty'..Donald Dewar Labour politician...a pre election promise back in the nineties.....

As I recall, he said we will eradicate THE CAUSES of poverty.

Donald died in late 2000. Much missed."
That is exactly what he said! I can and have been accused of being a bleeding heart Liberal but I have a good life and work hard but I am happy to pay my taxes as long as they are put to good use.

If I had the balls I would withhold around 7% of my tax contribution as I disagree with the nuclear arsenal this country has and maintains and circa 7% from direct tax revenue is spent on that gross misuse of the tax I pay. A country that has over 80,000 children below the WHO poverty indicators cannot afford to have WMD? Its not like we will use them as the Russian have gone into the Ukraine and they are not being nuked?

I am with late great Antony Wedgewood Benn and a member of CND and eradicating the causes of poverty!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most of us are only a few pay packets away from poverty. If I lost my job I'd struggle but I'd get by some how. If it meant me starving or losing my pride and asking family for help against my kids going without. It's a no brainer. All I think is that in a civilised society we should help those in need until they are on their feet.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Seriously though, I'm not entirely sure what the answer is, but I know for sure there is enough food in the world to stop people having to use "food banks"

Shame on governments around the world

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

like Motörhead says in their song .... "come on baby and eat the rich"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most of us are only a few pay packets away from poverty. If I lost my job I'd struggle but I'd get by some how. If it meant me starving or losing my pride and asking family for help against my kids going without. It's a no brainer. All I think is that in a civilised society we should help those in need until they are on their feet."
But is this not an inditement of the way we run society when you as a hard working mother have no buffer to help if things take a turn for the worse?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Most of us are only a few pay packets away from poverty. If I lost my job I'd struggle but I'd get by some how. If it meant me starving or losing my pride and asking family for help against my kids going without. It's a no brainer. All I think is that in a civilised society we should help those in need until they are on their feet.But is this not an inditement of the way we run society when you as a hard working mother have no buffer to help if things take a turn for the worse?"

This is the Tory way. Pretend there's no money (or food or ....... ) and make poor folk fight each other for the crumbs from Tory tables.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Seriously though, I'm not entirely sure what the answer is, but I know for sure there is enough food in the world to stop people having to use "food banks"

Shame on governments around the world "
The other thing that I thought was crass was the TV programme last evening when so called millionaire went into the homes of people who were on hard times. What is the point of such rubbish? It serves no useful purpose other than present rich people with egoitis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Most of us are only a few pay packets away from poverty. If I lost my job I'd struggle but I'd get by some how. If it meant me starving or losing my pride and asking family for help against my kids going without. It's a no brainer. All I think is that in a civilised society we should help those in need until they are on their feet.But is this not an inditement of the way we run society when you as a hard working mother have no buffer to help if things take a turn for the worse?"

It is. Thats what the welfare state was set up as. However that's totally broken now. God knows how to fix it! There is so much waste in this country. Then you hear about mp's expenses and it makes my blood boil! Like they have ever made a decision between going without lunch or buying a school cardigan for your child. They are the bloody parasites leaching the country dry! (I'll step away from the keyboard now lol)

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"'We will eradicate poverty'..Donald Dewar Labour politician...a pre election promise back in the nineties.....

As I recall, he said we will eradicate THE CAUSES of poverty.

Donald died in late 2000. Much missed."

And did they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've heard a rumour that Labour's latest policy is to eradicate child poverty by getting Harriet Harman to give all the kids PIE!

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend


"like Motörhead says in their song .... "come on baby and eat the rich" "

Was that not Aerosmith???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been unemployed. It's a shit existence, job hunting costs money and when you've less than 70 quid a week and each inter_iew costs a fiver in public transport it soon starts to disappear. I'd walk home several miles to save a couple of quid

Add in you need a working mobile and internet connection and bills to pay then how much is left? I lived on cheap pasta, cheap veg, cheap bread and the occasional treat of what ever was available in the reduced section.

It was a crap existence, no luxuries, no socialising, horrible. And I lived it for only a few months. I feel for anyone in that situation longterm. And I would have used foodbanks like a shock had they been an option.

I'm not denying there are scroungers but they are in the minority. People who have never been unemployed should stop being so fucking judgemental and speak to people in the real world rather than believe the crap they read in a biased media or on sensationalist tv."

thank you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What needs to be remembered though, when you're unemployed, you do not have to pay two of the biggest costs of living - rent and council tax. Ok I appreciate that some people have to pay a contribution to it which I have to say is more than a bit shitty to say the list, however we cannot change that because apparently it is the law. But ..... if I didn't have to pay my rent and council tax, that would equate to almost £600 per month - enough for my wife to stop working and we'd be no worse off. So whilst the benefit system is knocked for paying inadequate amounts of money, it needs to be remembered that whilst maybe you don't see all your benefits in cold hard cash but there are a lot of unseen, hidden amounts which are still classed as benefits, and to be perfectly honest, I have no desire to pay my taxes so that people can live like kings and queens, so if it means walking a few miles to a job inter_iew in order to save the bus fare, or buying from the 'oops' section at ASDA then so be it. I don't want to sound harsh, I've been on benefits in the past and am well aware of what it's like, but after all, it's only designed to give people a basic standard of living.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been unemployed. It's a shit existence, job hunting costs money and when you've less than 70 quid a week and each inter_iew costs a fiver in public transport it soon starts to disappear. I'd walk home several miles to save a couple of quid

Add in you need a working mobile and internet connection and bills to pay then how much is left? I lived on cheap pasta, cheap veg, cheap bread and the occasional treat of what ever was available in the reduced section.

It was a crap existence, no luxuries, no socialising, horrible. And I lived it for only a few months. I feel for anyone in that situation longterm. And I would have used foodbanks like a shock had they been an option.

I'm not denying there are scroungers but they are in the minority. People who have never been unemployed should stop being so fucking judgemental and speak to people in the real world rather than believe the crap they read in a biased media or on sensationalist tv.

thank you!"

There's enough to go round. People need to be honest about the things they want and need. That goes for the bottom all the way to the very top.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Seriously though, I'm not entirely sure what the answer is, but I know for sure there is enough food in the world to stop people having to use "food banks"

Shame on governments around the world The other thing that I thought was crass was the TV programme last evening when so called millionaire went into the homes of people who were on hard times. What is the point of such rubbish? It serves no useful purpose other than present rich people with egoitis"

I agree. It was patronising and I wish I hadn't watched it. It was vile _iewing, especially when the celebrities turned in to fairy godmothers ! I'm sure it raised lots of money for Sportrelief though . However, I will be donating directly to my local food bank.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"like Motörhead says in their song .... "come on baby and eat the rich"

Was that not Aerosmith???"

was a motörhead tune used in the film of the same name by peter richardson for "comic strip presents" in 1987..... Aerosmith covered it in the 90's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Seriously though, I'm not entirely sure what the answer is, but I know for sure there is enough food in the world to stop people having to use "food banks"

Shame on governments around the world The other thing that I thought was crass was the TV programme last evening when so called millionaire went into the homes of people who were on hard times. What is the point of such rubbish? It serves no useful purpose other than present rich people with egoitis"

think it was to make people aware of the work that sport relief/red nose do in this country and not just in Africa etc

http://www.sportrelief.com/latest/news/uk-food-poverty-be-explored-famous-rich-and-hungry-tv-tonight

Must have worked because your discussing it on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish food banks did not have to exist - but Im glad they do.

Why?

Because they are a symptom of this country's failure to be able to provide jobs and a decent living wage for all those people that want to just that - work, earn, feed themselves and their families and not have to resort to charity handouts. That this country cannot support those who find themselves out of work or unable to work.

Its not even people out of work. Its those in work too. Spiraling costs of everything from fuel to clothes to public transport are crippling many people in work. The root of which is a Government determined to privatise the public sector by the back door and employment laws which allow the abhorrence that is Zero hour contracts to even exist. How is anyone expected to know if they can afford to feed their family for that week if they don't know how much money they will have at the end of it?

Its a ridiculous Dickensian Workhouse state we are spiraling toward and instead of Poor Houses we have Food Banks. We have a Government more intent on refusing to pay out money to those who need it and obsessed with clawing back £1.6bn in alleged benefit fraud than it is in levying interest payments and charges on the hundreds of billions of pounds we sunk into the private banking industry which could be used to shore up the pensions system which is the vast majority of the welfare budget. £208 billion in pension and benefits payments to people who can still barely afford to heat their homes and feed themselves. At its height, this country gave £955 billion to the banks - its still owen £500 billion and is paying loans of around £127bn. £955 billion would run the welfare system for nearly five years.

At the same time this country's elected leaders take it upon themselves to give those people who keep our front line services running a 1 percent pay rise driving even more of them into debt, poverty and ending up relying on institutions such as food banks.

I commend all those who give to food banks, run them and volunteer in them.

To those who find themselves in the dire circumstances of having to use them - the shame is not yours and you should not carry it - the shame is with the leaders and officials of this country. Shame too on those media outlets that find ANY entertainment value in showing those in plight.

When Jesus turns back up can someone tell him to go into politics - because this country needs some divine leadership.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I wish food banks did not have to exist - but Im glad they do.

Why?

Because they are a symptom of this country's failure to be able to provide jobs and a decent living wage for all those people that want to just that - work, earn, feed themselves and their families and not have to resort to charity handouts. That this country cannot support those who find themselves out of work or unable to work.

Its not even people out of work. Its those in work too. Spiraling costs of everything from fuel to clothes to public transport are crippling many people in work. The root of which is a Government determined to privatise the public sector by the back door and employment laws which allow the abhorrence that is Zero hour contracts to even exist. How is anyone expected to know if they can afford to feed their family for that week if they don't know how much money they will have at the end of it?

Its a ridiculous Dickensian Workhouse state we are spiraling toward and instead of Poor Houses we have Food Banks. We have a Government more intent on refusing to pay out money to those who need it and obsessed with clawing back £1.6bn in alleged benefit fraud than it is in levying interest payments and charges on the hundreds of billions of pounds we sunk into the private banking industry which could be used to shore up the pensions system which is the vast majority of the welfare budget. £208 billion in pension and benefits payments to people who can still barely afford to heat their homes and feed themselves. At its height, this country gave £955 billion to the banks - its still owen £500 billion and is paying loans of around £127bn. £955 billion would run the welfare system for nearly five years.

At the same time this country's elected leaders take it upon themselves to give those people who keep our front line services running a 1 percent pay rise driving even more of them into debt, poverty and ending up relying on institutions such as food banks.

I commend all those who give to food banks, run them and volunteer in them.

To those who find themselves in the dire circumstances of having to use them - the shame is not yours and you should not carry it - the shame is with the leaders and officials of this country. Shame too on those media outlets that find ANY entertainment value in showing those in plight.

When Jesus turns back up can someone tell him to go into politics - because this country needs some divine leadership. "

Absolutely fucking ace post! Three cheers to that man.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".........At its height, this country gave £955 billion to the banks - its still owen £500 billion and is paying loans of around £127bn. £955 billion would run the welfare system for nearly five years.

............ "

Whilst I take your point and at the risk of accusation of pedantry, we didn't actually GIVE all that money to the banks, we LENT it to them in the expectation, likely to be correct, of getting it back at some point.

Had we not lent them the money, that Monday morning would have seen queues at cash machines and no money coming out, no wages being paid, no bills being paid and so on.

If you think a shortage of food is bad (and it is!) zero money going through the system is far worse.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"I wish food banks did not have to exist - but Im glad they do.

Why?

Because they are a symptom of this country's failure to be able to provide jobs and a decent living wage for all those people that want to just that - work, earn, feed themselves and their families and not have to resort to charity handouts. That this country cannot support those who find themselves out of work or unable to work.

Its not even people out of work. Its those in work too. Spiraling costs of everything from fuel to clothes to public transport are crippling many people in work. The root of which is a Government determined to privatise the public sector by the back door and employment laws which allow the abhorrence that is Zero hour contracts to even exist. How is anyone expected to know if they can afford to feed their family for that week if they don't know how much money they will have at the end of it?

Its a ridiculous Dickensian Workhouse state we are spiraling toward and instead of Poor Houses we have Food Banks. We have a Government more intent on refusing to pay out money to those who need it and obsessed with clawing back £1.6bn in alleged benefit fraud than it is in levying interest payments and charges on the hundreds of billions of pounds we sunk into the private banking industry which could be used to shore up the pensions system which is the vast majority of the welfare budget. £208 billion in pension and benefits payments to people who can still barely afford to heat their homes and feed themselves. At its height, this country gave £955 billion to the banks - its still owen £500 billion and is paying loans of around £127bn. £955 billion would run the welfare system for nearly five years.

At the same time this country's elected leaders take it upon themselves to give those people who keep our front line services running a 1 percent pay rise driving even more of them into debt, poverty and ending up relying on institutions such as food banks.

I commend all those who give to food banks, run them and volunteer in them.

To those who find themselves in the dire circumstances of having to use them - the shame is not yours and you should not carry it - the shame is with the leaders and officials of this country. Shame too on those media outlets that find ANY entertainment value in showing those in plight.

When Jesus turns back up can someone tell him to go into politics - because this country needs some divine leadership. "

Sorry, but an Utopian rant that offers no realistic solution to food poverty

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"I wish food banks did not have to exist - but Im glad they do.

Why?

Because they are a symptom of this country's failure to be able to provide jobs and a decent living wage for all those people that want to just that - work, earn, feed themselves and their families and not have to resort to charity handouts. That this country cannot support those who find themselves out of work or unable to work.

Its not even people out of work. Its those in work too. Spiraling costs of everything from fuel to clothes to public transport are crippling many people in work. The root of which is a Government determined to privatise the public sector by the back door and employment laws which allow the abhorrence that is Zero hour contracts to even exist. How is anyone expected to know if they can afford to feed their family for that week if they don't know how much money they will have at the end of it?

Its a ridiculous Dickensian Workhouse state we are spiraling toward and instead of Poor Houses we have Food Banks. We have a Government more intent on refusing to pay out money to those who need it and obsessed with clawing back £1.6bn in alleged benefit fraud than it is in levying interest payments and charges on the hundreds of billions of pounds we sunk into the private banking industry which could be used to shore up the pensions system which is the vast majority of the welfare budget. £208 billion in pension and benefits payments to people who can still barely afford to heat their homes and feed themselves. At its height, this country gave £955 billion to the banks - its still owen £500 billion and is paying loans of around £127bn. £955 billion would run the welfare system for nearly five years.

At the same time this country's elected leaders take it upon themselves to give those people who keep our front line services running a 1 percent pay rise driving even more of them into debt, poverty and ending up relying on institutions such as food banks.

I commend all those who give to food banks, run them and volunteer in them.

To those who find themselves in the dire circumstances of having to use them - the shame is not yours and you should not carry it - the shame is with the leaders and officials of this country. Shame too on those media outlets that find ANY entertainment value in showing those in plight.

When Jesus turns back up can someone tell him to go into politics - because this country needs some divine leadership. "

Sorry, but an Utopian rant that offers no realistic solution to food poverty

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

there is probably no answer to food poverty ... i hope i'm wrong. I just hope people who throw food away, no matter how small an amount, even if it's unfinished scraps from their plate, feel suitably guilty when they do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"there is probably no answer to food poverty ... i hope i'm wrong. I just hope people who throw food away, no matter how small an amount, even if it's unfinished scraps from their plate, feel suitably guilty when they do it."

nobody wants my donner bits after I've slobbered over it on the bus..cant be that hiccup hungry

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"nobody wants my donner bits after I've slobbered over it on the bus..cant be that hiccup hungry "

lol. I can dig your joke for what it is, however, this is the point, there ARE people who are so hungry even in this country who would want them. maybe you should rethink your d*unken gluttony next time you order an extra large elephant leg and downsize to summut smaller

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"there is probably no answer to food poverty ... i hope i'm wrong. I just hope people who throw food away, no matter how small an amount, even if it's unfinished scraps from their plate, feel suitably guilty when they do it."

If Morrisons can cut prices 'to compete with Aldi and Lidl' while still 'being fair to suppliers', why couldn't they cut prices just to make food more affordable?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

Onny .... I don't have the answer to that, but the whole food waste issue concerns everyone from growers, producers, sellers right through to consumers. everyone who throws food out wether it's from over growing excessive amounts of cash crops, over stocking retail outlets, impulse buying and simply having eyes bigger than their bellys are complicit in this. it's a shame that habbits seem to be so difficult to change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"nobody wants my donner bits after I've slobbered over it on the bus..cant be that hiccup hungry

lol. I can dig your joke for what it is, however, this is the point, there ARE people who are so hungry even in this country who would want them. maybe you should rethink your d*unken gluttony next time you order an extra large elephant leg and downsize to summut smaller"

did u read my post earlier about throwing bread on the floor???

another thing is people are so ignorant of food types , especially within the western world...a documentary I watched basically gives one of the best sources of food over the world,,,cheaper to produce, easier to produce and high in protein

INSECTS!

there are plenty of examples of the food that goes to waste, such as offal etc from chefs like hugh whitshisnamie etc etc

annd..if we have so many hungry people...why are we exporting food?

how many burgers does McDonalds have to throw out at the end of the night

How many foods are perfectly acceptable to eat but are thrown away because of some silly avoidance of lawsuits due to their sell-by date?

Price the value of a MP lunch get together......

*so thats a few reasons why I dont buy into the blaming other countries or those coming to this country having some knock on effect of making 'our' people hungry.

the government/media also send out mixed messages.. eat healthy etc etc..it costs to eat healthy..then we are told dont eat chicken nuggets etc

I buy value branded items alot..who knows what I'm getting...at least its something though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Simply because the bill in Parliament was passed in 2003. B.Liar & his hideous wife were both Lawyers & so made a fucking great big gravy train for lawyers. Challenge any other point & I will gladly educate you in more detail! "

Mrs Blair is a Barrister not a Lawyer

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By *ampWithABrainWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

I don't know if what I'm about to suggest would work, but thinking could be worth trying.

Reclaim the money owed by the banks to central govt-no wushu washy payment plans.

Pay people a decent living wage, nmw needs to be much higher than it is now. Then people would spend more and pay more taxes which can be invested in the country and used to help those who need it.

Make it much easier to return to work. Anyone who's been on benefits knows what I mean. There needs to be a decent 'run in' time for people going back to work not just a couple weeks ... Plus majority of time benefits just get stopped and the money you're supposed to get at this time isn't available and ppl left struggling desperately until pay day.

Ban 0 hours contracts. Taking the Michael!!!

A serious re_iew of 'rolling shifts'. These seriously disadvantage people wanting to work who have dependants be they kids, disabled partner or elderly parents. If someone can explain to me why employers like these I'm all ears. Studies worldwide show employees treated well work better/more productively.

Why are so many jobs dependant on credit check?! I've poor credit for a variety of reasons...doesn't make me a thief!!! And if I was working I could clear my debts! Last time I was working I made clearing debt a priority just below necessities (food rent et al).

Absolutely no organised childcare in this country outside mon - fri 8-6pm very few jobs now operate solely between 9-5!

To finish bear in mind...according to shelter most families are only 3 pay days away from becoming homeless.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

share more, consume less would be simpler

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By *ampWithABrainWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Luvesmuffin a barrister is a type of lawyer.

A person who practises or studies law, especially (in the UK) a solicitor or a barrister or (in the US) an attorney.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't know if what I'm about to suggest would work, but thinking could be worth trying.

Reclaim the money owed by the banks to central govt-no wushu washy payment plans.

Pay people a decent living wage, nmw needs to be much higher than it is now. Then people would spend more and pay more taxes which can be invested in the country and used to help those who need it.

Make it much easier to return to work. Anyone who's been on benefits knows what I mean. There needs to be a decent 'run in' time for people going back to work not just a couple weeks ... Plus majority of time benefits just get stopped and the money you're supposed to get at this time isn't available and ppl left struggling desperately until pay day.

Ban 0 hours contracts. Taking the Michael!!!

A serious re_iew of 'rolling shifts'. These seriously disadvantage people wanting to work who have dependants be they kids, disabled partner or elderly parents. If someone can explain to me why employers like these I'm all ears. Studies worldwide show employees treated well work better/more productively.

Why are so many jobs dependant on credit check?! I've poor credit for a variety of reasons...doesn't make me a thief!!! And if I was working I could clear my debts! Last time I was working I made clearing debt a priority just below necessities (food rent et al).

Absolutely no organised childcare in this country outside mon - fri 8-6pm very few jobs now operate solely between 9-5!

To finish bear in mind...according to shelter most families are only 3 pay days away from becoming homeless. "

0 hours contracts suit some people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely one solution would be utilising the excessive waste from supermarkets...Tesco has admitted dumping 28 tonnes of food in a 6 month period!! Add that to all the others and there would be "fresh" food for a lot of people on a daily basis?

x "

I know it's a complete disgrace. All these supermarkets that throw away perfectly good food could feed thousands of people. This world is truly fucked up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know it's a complete disgrace. All these supermarkets that throw away perfectly good food could feed thousands of people. This world is truly fucked up.

You think they have a choice? If you knew anything about our health and safety system you would know this isn't the case! Supermarkets used to donate this food, but are now not allowed to because of H&S!!!

OMG, this whole thread is full of opinions by no real facts!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know it's a complete disgrace. All these supermarkets that throw away perfectly good food could feed thousands of people. This world is truly fucked up.

You think they have a choice? If you knew anything about our health and safety system you would know this isn't the case! Supermarkets used to donate this food, but are now not allowed to because of H&S!!!

OMG, this whole thread is full of opinions by no real facts!!!

"

Well, yeah. It's the Forums!

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple
over a year ago

markinch

Heres a fact , single at the time , 9 months unemployed, £65 per week , mortgage and bills to pay, and the ex still wanted her £150 month maintenance, compassion shown here lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know it's a complete disgrace. All these supermarkets that throw away perfectly good food could feed thousands of people. This world is truly fucked up.

You think they have a choice? If you knew anything about our health and safety system you would know this isn't the case! Supermarkets used to donate this food, but are now not allowed to because of H&S!!!

OMG, this whole thread is full of opinions by no real facts!!!

"

You sound like you are having a go at me! !!!! Yes it is my opinion thank you. This site is not a facts only site. So I will share my opinion and I can do without a lot of bullshit from you. You know you could have put that in a nicer way.

Well then h and s needs to re_iew their rules. Simple.

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