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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

wants a gastric band on the NHS unbelievable!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

she should learn some self control.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"she should learn some self control. "

gastric bands don't work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She doesn't deserve to breath, let alone a gastric band.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wanted one and was refused

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"she should learn some self control.

gastric bands don't work. "

family member had one and got bigger!!!!! but point is she didn't cost NHS 7000 as she had it private

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire


"I wanted one and was refused "

i asked years ago and got refused too

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

What has this got to do with the public?

I'd understand maybe if the news was that she was pregnant but I don't give a toss that she wants a gastric band.

Is it relevant to the fact that she is baby p's mother? No. Is it just another band wagon to jump on. No one that's ever been in prison can ever access the nb.s. again!!!!

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By *exySwing3rsCouple
over a year ago

In Your Hearts

All she deserves is a band on both wrists tied together.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"What has this got to do with the public?

I'd understand maybe if the news was that she was pregnant but I don't give a toss that she wants a gastric band.

Is it relevant to the fact that she is baby p's mother? No. Is it just another band wagon to jump on. No one that's ever been in prison can ever access the nb.s. again!!!! "

I'm inclined to agree with this. Also she might want one that doesn't mean she'll get one.

At what point does anyone suggest that her access to NHS treatment is cut off?

I have a feeling I know what lots of answers to that will be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can it be right that someone can put on weight while they are in prison

then there are lots of decent people who cant afford to eat that much.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"How can it be right that someone can put on weight while they are in prison

then there are lots of decent people who cant afford to eat that much. "

Because you don't do anything.....excersise is limited the food is not nutritional they have to feed people on something like 20p per head...you are constantly bored etc....so I can understand why people put on weight...some loose some gain...

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Everyone is entitled to NHS treatment including those that have been in prison...it might be that she is refused and told to try dieting...

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By *uby0000 OP   Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

the only op she should have is to be sterilized

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"How can it be right that someone can put on weight while they are in prison

then there are lots of decent people who cant afford to eat that much. "

Did she? I thought she was overweight before she went in.

I would never defend her but our justice system doesn't allow us to deny food to prisoners or medical treatment.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Everyone is entitled to NHS treatment including those that have been in prison...it might be that she is refused and told to try dieting..."

Even while in prison. Shocking isn't it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Everyone is entitled to NHS treatment including those that have been in prison...it might be that she is refused and told to try dieting...

Even while in prison. Shocking isn't it "

I know...I can't believe it....

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"the only op she should have is to be sterilized"

That's a ridiculous statement.

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.


"All she deserves is a band on both wrists tied together. "

Or a rope one round her neck for what she did to that poor child.

It's nice to know she's full of remorse for the child she killed and not just interested in herself isn't it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her? "

She isnt ill though she is just overweight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

how on earth do people get to know about what treatments people have applied for?...confidential information!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight. "

I knew someone would say that. So on that basis no one should be entitled to one on the NHS?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I don't agree with what she did...I certainly don't like her....but she is entitled to get care like the rest of us. I also don't agree with capital punishment and I certainly don't wish anyone to die. She has served her punishment and will now live the rest of her life looking over her shoulder but I'd rather worry about the things that are going on around me rather then worry if a convicted criminal is going to get a gastric band off the NHS...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how on earth do people get to know about what treatments people have applied for?...confidential information!"

I assume they read it something like tge sun and take it at face value?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How can it be right that someone can put on weight while they are in prison

then there are lots of decent people who cant afford to eat that much.

Because you don't do anything.....excersise is limited the food is not nutritional they have to feed people on something like 20p per head...you are constantly bored etc....so I can understand why people put on weight...some loose some gain..."

Well she has put on more weight since she went to prison and i think you would have to be eating a lot to get to the size she is now.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"how on earth do people get to know about what treatments people have applied for?...confidential information!"

Because like the saying goes light lips sink ships...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with what she did...I certainly don't like her....but she is entitled to get care like the rest of us. I also don't agree with capital punishment and I certainly don't wish anyone to die. She has served her punishment and will now live the rest of her life looking over her shoulder but I'd rather worry about the things that are going on around me rather then worry if a convicted criminal is going to get a gastric band off the NHS..."

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"How can it be right that someone can put on weight while they are in prison

then there are lots of decent people who cant afford to eat that much.

Because you don't do anything.....excersise is limited the food is not nutritional they have to feed people on something like 20p per head...you are constantly bored etc....so I can understand why people put on weight...some loose some gain...

Well she has put on more weight since she went to prison and i think you would have to be eating a lot to get to the size she is now."

Might be....it might be that she has some medical condition I don't know and I don't really care

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight.

I knew someone would say that. So on that basis no one should be entitled to one on the NHS?"

Maybe not.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight.

I knew someone would say that. So on that basis no one should be entitled to one on the NHS?

Maybe not."

And you have access to her medical records?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight.

I knew someone would say that. So on that basis no one should be entitled to one on the NHS?"

Only if their weight is life threatening and they have virtually no chance of being able to lose the weight by other means, I'd say.

I don't know how big the woman is, what her health is like and what methods of weight loss she's tried, so I can't comment on her alleged request.

I have mixed feelings about gastric bands anyway. I don't think they are the magic easy fix a lot of people seem to think they are. Treating the causes of the over-eating and adapting the person to a healthy diet to achieve gradual weight loss seems more sensible to me.

I haven't heard the matter discussed from the point of _iew of someone who wants/has a gastric band though so my outlook is one-sided.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually this has got me thinking, in these times of austerity maybe tge NHS should be more selectice in who they treat. Smokers and drinkers could be a good starting point - afterall it's their own choices that have made them ill. And the mentally ill, just institutionise them out of the way. Children with a clearly limites life expectancy - fuck em, their going to die anyway. And pensioners for the same reason. And maybe the unemployed as it's not like they pay any taxes. Mind you those that do work could probably afford to go private and if they can't they should kust work harder...

Sorted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Actually this has got me thinking, in these times of austerity maybe tge NHS should be more selectice in who they treat. Smokers and drinkers could be a good starting point - afterall it's their own choices that have made them ill. And the mentally ill, just institutionise them out of the way. Children with a clearly limites life expectancy - fuck em, their going to die anyway. And pensioners for the same reason. And maybe the unemployed as it's not like they pay any taxes. Mind you those that do work could probably afford to go private and if they can't they should kust work harder...

Sorted."

that IS the perfect society some dreamed of many years ago lol

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight. "

I'm pretty sure that if she meets the criteria for having a gastric band, her weight will be making her very ill indeed. They don't do them on the NHS for cosmetic reasons.

Ok so the weight gain could be seen as self-inflicted. So are sports injuries, smoking related illness, alcohol related illness, drug addiction and related complications, and a whole host of other injuries and ailments. Should the NHS refuse to treat everything that could be considered self-inflicted?

Also, consider the potential ongoing cost of treating her for all the health problems she is likely to experience throughout her life if she doesn't lose the weight, and of providing care if she needs it, (which is likely). Spending the money to help her lose the weight now may save the NHS money overall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight.

I'm pretty sure that if she meets the criteria for having a gastric band, her weight will be making her very ill indeed. They don't do them on the NHS for cosmetic reasons.

Ok so the weight gain could be seen as self-inflicted. So are sports injuries, smoking related illness, alcohol related illness, drug addiction and related complications, and a whole host of other injuries and ailments. Should the NHS refuse to treat everything that could be considered self-inflicted?

Also, consider the potential ongoing cost of treating her for all the health problems she is likely to experience throughout her life if she doesn't lose the weight, and of providing care if she needs it, (which is likely). Spending the money to help her lose the weight now may save the NHS money overall."

some dont think she should have health problems anyway..ie, she should be executed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All she deserves is a band on both wrists tied together.

Or a rope one round her neck for what she did to that poor child.

It's nice to know she's full of remorse for the child she killed and not just interested in herself isn't it ?"

I agree with you, but then some people seem to care more about people like her than they do kids that have been abused and murdered.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"And maybe the unemployed as it's not like they pay any taxes."

I'll be sure to mention that next time I buy fuel or anything VAT rated and ask for the tax to be deducted. I'll be wanting my road fund licence fee back too. Oh, and the council tax I pay, since unemployed and those on low incomes are expected to pay up to about 20% of that now.

(PS I know you are joking. So am I.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is always a chance this story is not true and just another media hype, i'm sure there will be countless other sorties about her till they find someone new to jump on and she's just yesterdays news to them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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It's nice to know she's full of remorse for the child she killed and not just interested in herself isn't it ?"

How on earth does the fact she supposedly wants a gastric band demonstrate thar she is lacking in remorse?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"How can it be right that someone can put on weight while they are in prison

then there are lots of decent people who cant afford to eat that much.

Because you don't do anything.....excersise is limited the food is not nutritional they have to feed people on something like 20p per head...you are constantly bored etc....so I can understand why people put on weight...some loose some gain...

Well she has put on more weight since she went to prison and i think you would have to be eating a lot to get to the size she is now."

Your attempts at fat bashing do amuse me.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight.

I'm pretty sure that if she meets the criteria for having a gastric band, her weight will be making her very ill indeed. They don't do them on the NHS for cosmetic reasons.

Ok so the weight gain could be seen as self-inflicted. So are sports injuries, smoking related illness, alcohol related illness, drug addiction and related complications, and a whole host of other injuries and ailments. Should the NHS refuse to treat everything that could be considered self-inflicted?

Also, consider the potential ongoing cost of treating her for all the health problems she is likely to experience throughout her life if she doesn't lose the weight, and of providing care if she needs it, (which is likely). Spending the money to help her lose the weight now may save the NHS money overall.

some dont think she should have health problems anyway..ie, she should be executed "

I have my own _iew on that, and my own feelings about the woman, but it's not relevant to this discussion.

She hasn't been executed and won't be. She has health problems. Treating them now may be cheaper than treating the ongoing effects over a lifetime.

She's served her time according to this country's judicial system.

Don't like the judicial system? Campaign for changes. Don't like NHS policy? Campaign for changes.

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By *ingerbicky69Woman
over a year ago

EXETER

Bring back gulags for scum like her. She would soon get rid of her fat arse then.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"All she deserves is a band on both wrists tied together.

Or a rope one round her neck for what she did to that poor child.

It's nice to know she's full of remorse for the child she killed and not just interested in herself isn't it ?

I agree with you, but then some people seem to care more about people like her than they do kids that have been abused and murdered. "

I don't think that's the case..I think people see things in many different colours other then black and white...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"there is always a chance this story is not true and just another media hype "

I always wondered who those people were who blindly believe everything they read in the tabloids. The fab forums have at least partially answered the question

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I am sure a clinical decision will be made by professionals, it may actually save money in the long run if it prevents other illness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight.

I'm pretty sure that if she meets the criteria for having a gastric band, her weight will be making her very ill indeed. They don't do them on the NHS for cosmetic reasons.

Ok so the weight gain could be seen as self-inflicted. So are sports injuries, smoking related illness, alcohol related illness, drug addiction and related complications, and a whole host of other injuries and ailments. Should the NHS refuse to treat everything that could be considered self-inflicted?

Also, consider the potential ongoing cost of treating her for all the health problems she is likely to experience throughout her life if she doesn't lose the weight, and of providing care if she needs it, (which is likely). Spending the money to help her lose the weight now may save the NHS money overall.

some dont think she should have health problems anyway..ie, she should be executed

I have my own _iew on that, and my own feelings about the woman, but it's not relevant to this discussion.

She hasn't been executed and won't be. She has health problems. Treating them now may be cheaper than treating the ongoing effects over a lifetime.

She's served her time according to this country's judicial system.

Don't like the judicial system? Campaign for changes. Don't like NHS policy? Campaign for changes."
it is relevant to the discussion, and I'm agreeing with you.

I just fail to see why it is news.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"there is always a chance this story is not true and just another media hype

I always wondered who those people were who blindly believe everything they read in the tabloids. The fab forums have at least partially answered the question"

Some people will believe anything which suits their agenda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh dear the condemnations are out in force.

Have you lot not noticed how many people are being prosecuted in children's deaths lately? The actual murderer is being convicted AND so are the mothers because they have not prevented the deaths. It seems to have become irrelevant that the mothers may have not been able to prevent it.

The point is that the court did not convict baby P's mother for murder, but don't let those facts get in the way of your condemnations!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"All she deserves is a band on both wrists tied together.

Or a rope one round her neck for what she did to that poor child.

It's nice to know she's full of remorse for the child she killed and not just interested in herself isn't it ?

I agree with you, but then some people seem to care more about people like her than they do kids that have been abused and murdered. "

That's bollocks. Just because some people are enlightened enough yo see through the media hype and see that this is really a nothing story designed to anger the masses doesn't mean that we feel more for the perpetrator than the victim

This story has no relevance to the crimes committed. Like I said, if the story was about her being pregnant again I could see the relevance.

I do find it interesting that people who failed to see the positive news stories behind Tom Daley being in a relationship with a man and Susan Boyle having aspergers have jumped on this non news story with such abandon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and the end of the day if she had a gastric band or if she does not it wont affect my life and there's nothing I can do about it either way so what's the point in letting it bother me, she did the crime, she's paid her time and as far as the laws concerned she's now a free woman to live like the rest of us, fair or not deal with it there is no other choice

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By *heScotandthegirlCouple
over a year ago

London & Edinburgh


"oh dear the condemnations are out in force.

The point is that the court did not convict baby P's mother for murder, but don't let those facts get in the way of your condemnations!"

I agree that we have to believe in our justice system and am proud of our NHS (we are lucky to have it), however for me a mother standing by and watching what happened to her child i find incomprehensible...

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight.

I'm pretty sure that if she meets the criteria for having a gastric band, her weight will be making her very ill indeed. They don't do them on the NHS for cosmetic reasons.

Ok so the weight gain could be seen as self-inflicted. So are sports injuries, smoking related illness, alcohol related illness, drug addiction and related complications, and a whole host of other injuries and ailments. Should the NHS refuse to treat everything that could be considered self-inflicted?

Also, consider the potential ongoing cost of treating her for all the health problems she is likely to experience throughout her life if she doesn't lose the weight, and of providing care if she needs it, (which is likely). Spending the money to help her lose the weight now may save the NHS money overall.

some dont think she should have health problems anyway..ie, she should be executed

I have my own _iew on that, and my own feelings about the woman, but it's not relevant to this discussion.

She hasn't been executed and won't be. She has health problems. Treating them now may be cheaper than treating the ongoing effects over a lifetime.

She's served her time according to this country's judicial system.

Don't like the judicial system? Campaign for changes. Don't like NHS policy? Campaign for changes. it is relevant to the discussion, and I'm agreeing with you.

I just fail to see why it is news."

I agree. My comments were aimed at people who say she doesn't deserve treatment because she shouldn't be alive. Sorry if it sounded like I was ranting at you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Actually this has got me thinking, in these times of austerity maybe tge NHS should be more selectice in who they treat. Smokers and drinkers could be a good starting point - afterall it's their own choices that have made them ill. And the mentally ill, just institutionise them out of the way. Children with a clearly limites life expectancy - fuck em, their going to die anyway. And pensioners for the same reason. And maybe the unemployed as it's not like they pay any taxes. Mind you those that do work could probably afford to go private and if they can't they should kust work harder...

Sorted.

that IS the perfect society some dreamed of many years ago lol "

Sometimes if feels as though there are still people on here who share that dream!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Actually this has got me thinking, in these times of austerity maybe tge NHS should be more selectice in who they treat. Smokers and drinkers could be a good starting point - afterall it's their own choices that have made them ill. And the mentally ill, just institutionise them out of the way. Children with a clearly limites life expectancy - fuck em, their going to die anyway. And pensioners for the same reason. And maybe the unemployed as it's not like they pay any taxes. Mind you those that do work could probably afford to go private and if they can't they should kust work harder...

Sorted.

that IS the perfect society some dreamed of many years ago lol

Sometimes if feels as though there are still people on here who share that dream! "

me too and people I talk to in "real" life

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"

It's nice to know she's full of remorse for the child she killed and not just interested in herself isn't it ?

How on earth does the fact she supposedly wants a gastric band demonstrate thar she is lacking in remorse?"

Lol! I know you didn't intend this to be funny but it made me laugh. This and other threads have demonstrated peoples ability to draw conclusions that they obviously absolutely believe and are prepared to act upon from one line of "evidence".

Our justice system may be flawed but I'd take my chances in court over trial by armchair judiciary

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight.

I'm pretty sure that if she meets the criteria for having a gastric band, her weight will be making her very ill indeed. They don't do them on the NHS for cosmetic reasons.

Ok so the weight gain could be seen as self-inflicted. So are sports injuries, smoking related illness, alcohol related illness, drug addiction and related complications, and a whole host of other injuries and ailments. Should the NHS refuse to treat everything that could be considered self-inflicted?

Also, consider the potential ongoing cost of treating her for all the health problems she is likely to experience throughout her life if she doesn't lose the weight, and of providing care if she needs it, (which is likely). Spending the money to help her lose the weight now may save the NHS money overall.

some dont think she should have health problems anyway..ie, she should be executed

I have my own _iew on that, and my own feelings about the woman, but it's not relevant to this discussion.

She hasn't been executed and won't be. She has health problems. Treating them now may be cheaper than treating the ongoing effects over a lifetime.

She's served her time according to this country's judicial system.

Don't like the judicial system? Campaign for changes. Don't like NHS policy? Campaign for changes."

Would this served their time so let them be policy still apply if a known paedophile moved in next door to you ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight.

I'm pretty sure that if she meets the criteria for having a gastric band, her weight will be making her very ill indeed. They don't do them on the NHS for cosmetic reasons.

Ok so the weight gain could be seen as self-inflicted. So are sports injuries, smoking related illness, alcohol related illness, drug addiction and related complications, and a whole host of other injuries and ailments. Should the NHS refuse to treat everything that could be considered self-inflicted?

Also, consider the potential ongoing cost of treating her for all the health problems she is likely to experience throughout her life if she doesn't lose the weight, and of providing care if she needs it, (which is likely). Spending the money to help her lose the weight now may save the NHS money overall.

some dont think she should have health problems anyway..ie, she should be executed

I have my own _iew on that, and my own feelings about the woman, but it's not relevant to this discussion.

She hasn't been executed and won't be. She has health problems. Treating them now may be cheaper than treating the ongoing effects over a lifetime.

She's served her time according to this country's judicial system.

Don't like the judicial system? Campaign for changes. Don't like NHS policy? Campaign for changes.

Would this served their time so let them be policy still apply if a known paedophile moved in next door to you ?"

What about all the paedophiles that haven't been caught..... yet.

I'm more bothered about those.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"wants a gastric band on the NHS unbelievable!!!!!"

Let her have the op and just by accident something may go wrong and she will die on the table. I am sure nobody will miss her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight. "

Exactly. There are millions of obese people. She would probably benefit more from psychiatric help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Actually this has got me thinking, in these times of austerity maybe tge NHS should be more selectice in who they treat. Smokers and drinkers could be a good starting point - afterall it's their own choices that have made them ill. And the mentally ill, just institutionise them out of the way. Children with a clearly limites life expectancy - fuck em, their going to die anyway. And pensioners for the same reason. And maybe the unemployed as it's not like they pay any taxes. Mind you those that do work could probably afford to go private and if they can't they should kust work harder...

Sorted.

that IS the perfect society some dreamed of many years ago lol "

Yeah. I seem to remember a woman prime minister.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"oh dear the condemnations are out in force.

Have you lot not noticed how many people are being prosecuted in children's deaths lately? The actual murderer is being convicted AND so are the mothers because they have not prevented the deaths. It seems to have become irrelevant that the mothers may have not been able to prevent it.

The point is that the court did not convict baby P's mother for murder, but don't let those facts get in the way of your condemnations!"

Maybe she wasn't convicted of his murder, but she certainly doesn't appear to have done much to prevent it. She probably is of low intellect, and maybe preventing the brutal actions were in some ways beyond her control, but being the boys mother comes with responsibilities. She must be prepared to face years of condemnation.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Condemnation yes but not removal of access to national services such as the NHS which is what this 'news' story seems to be concerned about.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I would hope that the NHS base a decision primarily on medical needs rather than criminal records.

People do realise that prisoners get NHS treatment if they get ill. So why on earth should a criminal record exclude her?

She isnt ill though she is just overweight.

Exactly. There are millions of obese people. She would probably benefit more from psychiatric help."

And some of them opt for gastric bands on the NHS as well.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"I wanted one and was refused "

...whilst I'm offered bariatric surgery all the time. I tell them to get lost!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Everyone is entitled to NHS treatment including those that have been in prison...it might be that she is refused and told to try dieting...

Even while in prison. Shocking isn't it "

What?!! You'll be telling me they don't have to dig their own latrines next!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it. "

and deprive the mob their chance to grandstand their outrage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror"

oh in the mirror why didn't you say, in that case it must be true

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

and deprive the mob their chance to grandstand their outrage "

Absolutely. I just bought a brand new pitchfork!

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

and deprive the mob their chance to grandstand their outrage

Absolutely. I just bought a brand new pitchfork! "

Aw. Ya mean I can't light me burning torch?

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By *iceguy 1966Man
over a year ago

in pa postcode

I would put it round the rats neck and tighten it until the twitching stops, that way baby P gets justice and she loses weight by never being able to eat again :O

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I would put it round the rats neck and tighten it until the twitching stops, that way baby P gets justice and she loses weight by never being able to eat again :O"

You clearly have no comprehension of justice.

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By *iceguy 1966Man
over a year ago

in pa postcode

Trust me I know the justice system extremely well and way too many of these social lepers get off far too light and the tax payer has to pay to keep these rodents alive for years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

and deprive the mob their chance to grandstand their outrage

Absolutely. I just bought a brand new pitchfork!

Aw. Ya mean I can't light me burning torch?"

yeaaarrrr

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Trust me I know the justice system extremely well and way too many of these social lepers get off far too light and the tax payer has to pay to keep these rodents alive for years. "

'gets justice' and 'the justice system' are two wholly different things.

What you want is revenge. Don't try dress it up as anything else.

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By *iceguy 1966Man
over a year ago

in pa postcode

I obviously see life and certain "people" in society in a different light to you do, maybe an occupational trait of mine but as this is an open forum I am entitled to have an opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I obviously see life and certain "people" in society in a different light to you do, maybe an occupational trait of mine but as this is an open forum I am entitled to have an opinion "

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I obviously see life and certain "people" in society in a different light to you do, maybe an occupational trait of mine but as this is an open forum I am entitled to have an opinion "

Of course you are but trying to disguise revenge as justice is wrong.

If you want revenge, say so. Don't pretend it's justice.

reposted 'cos , appeared in wrong place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I obviously see life and certain "people" in society in a different light to you do, maybe an occupational trait of mine but as this is an open forum I am entitled to have an opinion "

an occupational trait thats sees "people" in a different light?-dont mention that to ur bosses I'm sure they dont have anything plastered in their manifesto of how they conduct operations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"wants a gastric band on the NHS unbelievable!!!!!"

Its a pity she cant have a lethal injection on the NHS.

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over a year ago

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By *aisy100Woman
over a year ago

wakefield


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it. "

I dont think people are stupid or gulible for believing what they read or hear on the news, how are the general public suppose to know whats true and what isnt?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

I dont think people are stupid or gulible for believing what they read or hear on the news, how are the general public suppose to know whats true and what isnt?"

Why do you need to know whether someone who's in prison is having an operation, if indeed she is?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

I dont think people are stupid or gulible for believing what they read or hear on the news, how are the general public suppose to know whats true and what isnt?"

Have you read the story? And story really is the operative word?

The source is another anonymous resident in the bail hostel she supposedly lives in who has allegedly said that she eats crap all day and wants a gastric band so she can meet a new man but doesn;t want to diet.

It is journalism at it's very, very worst with every word designed to incite hatred and contempt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

I dont think people are stupid or gulible for believing what they read or hear on the news, how are the general public suppose to know whats true and what isnt?

Have you read the story? And story really is the operative word?

The source is another anonymous resident in the bail hostel she supposedly lives in who has allegedly said that she eats crap all day and wants a gastric band so she can meet a new man but doesn;t want to diet.

It is journalism at it's very, very worst with every word designed to incite hatred and contempt.

"

the journalist probably accidentally mixed up the on bail persons details with the target...accidentally of course

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

I dont think people are stupid or gulible for believing what they read or hear on the news, how are the general public suppose to know whats true and what isnt?

Why do you need to know whether someone who's in prison is having an operation, if indeed she is?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

I dont think people are stupid or gulible for believing what they read or hear on the news, how are the general public suppose to know whats true and what isnt?

Why do you need to know whether someone who's in prison is having an operation, if indeed she is?

"

Well you could say why do we need to know anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She doesn't deserve to breath, let alone a gastric band. "
here! Here!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

I dont think people are stupid or gulible for believing what they read or hear on the news, how are the general public suppose to know whats true and what isnt?

Why do you need to know whether someone who's in prison is having an operation, if indeed she is?

Well you could say why do we need to know anything."

no you couldnt. there are thing that are in the public interest for people to know. This is not one of them.

This is like someone telling us where you are going to go for dinner tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

I dont think people are stupid or gulible for believing what they read or hear on the news, how are the general public suppose to know whats true and what isnt?

Why do you need to know whether someone who's in prison is having an operation, if indeed she is?

Well you could say why do we need to know anything.

no you couldnt. there are thing that are in the public interest for people to know. This is not one of them.

This is like someone telling us where you are going to go for dinner tomorrow."

If you say so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Out of curiosity I just read this article in the mirror. It is clearly fictitious and sensationalist. Im not sure what is more depressing that this crap is passed off as journalism or that people are gullible and/or stupid enough to believe it.

I dont think people are stupid or gulible for believing what they read or hear on the news, how are the general public suppose to know whats true and what isnt?

Why do you need to know whether someone who's in prison is having an operation, if indeed she is?

Well you could say why do we need to know anything.

no you couldnt. there are thing that are in the public interest for people to know. This is not one of them.

This is like someone telling us where you are going to go for dinner tomorrow.

If you say so. "

Ok assuming that this non-story is actually true - tell us why you feel that you need to know or why you should know?

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By *aisy100Woman
over a year ago

wakefield

But theres lots of stories in papers and stuff on the news that we probably dont need to know, but people still buy papers and watch the news, ive not actually read the story and to be honest couldnt really care less about her or what shes doing. People must be interested in what goes on in criminals/celebrities lives otherwise the papers/magazines wouldnt sell

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