FabSwingers.com forum: What to do

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This might be the wrong place to post but could do with some advice

I work full time and have worked by backside off for the past six years for the same company, stuck in there through thick and thin, howevery feelings for the place have changed over the past week due to people back stabbing and acting daft and passing the book, to the stage the heavily pregnant md had me in the office yesterday advising that I am transferring offices, offering me £20 a week in fuel allowance and telling me that she is disappointed and doesn't see me working as I should be

I've applied for a number of jobs today as I have decided that I need a new direction but it has got to the stage that I feel physically ill at the thought of having to go in tomorrow, I dread everyday that I have to stay there

I have debated handing in my six weeks notice and working through and hoping to get a job, and then also thought about waiting until I have a new job inline, but I'm not sure how much longer I can keep going...

What I am asking is if it was you, what would you do?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

stick with it, seek advice from HR or the Union

it is easier to find a role when you are in a role.

good luck

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

ps.... ask for everything in writing

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

Depends their sick pay rules.nudge nudge wink wink say no more. X x X

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"ps.... ask for everything in writing"

We don't have HR or Union as its a franchise, just got to the stage I could cry daily over it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Depends their sick pay rules.nudge nudge wink wink say no more. X x X"

They don't pay x

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

apply for other jobs if you can before you decide to leave this one

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"apply for other jobs if you can before you decide to leave this one "

I've applied for 10 today, have a telephone inter_iew on Friday but its for a temp job x

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

First, Id want details of why they thought I wasnt working the way I should be and what they were going to offer to help me overcome that...

Resigning would all depend on the likelihood of getting another suitable job

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I am in a similar position. Its better to look for jobs while you've still got one so stick it out and keep applying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would hand my notice in and start looking for a new job. No one should ever do anything they don't enjoy doing... Life should be hard but full of fun and excitement, if it's not change the thing or get rid of the thing that's pissing you off. Hope this help and good luck.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Do you have a balanced scorecard that you are measured and managed against. Which part of your performance is causing her concern and is there coaching that can be provided to you.

Just moving you seems to not be plugging any developmental/performance gaps

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"First, Id want details of why they thought I wasnt working the way I should be and what they were going to offer to help me overcome that...

Resigning would all depend on the likelihood of getting another suitable job "

I've had a previous meeting with them for similar, told them I needed help, I currently run two lettings departments, and the accounts to go with them, and cover sales when days off/holidays, but the ideas they came up with wouldn't work due to people's time off etc. they have even rung/text me on my day off for something that can wait... Just had enough of feeling so low

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"Depends their sick pay rules.nudge nudge wink wink say no more. X x X

They don't pay x "
..then make yourself carry on and try no to focus on bad feelings or how you are feeling about the whole thing because a new job could be even worse if you rush into anything.its no easy but all in the power of your mind..try to be strong. X x X

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you have a balanced scorecard that you are measured and managed against. Which part of your performance is causing her concern and is there coaching that can be provided to you.

Just moving you seems to not be plugging any developmental/performance gaps"

The worst thing is the more senior managers have admitted that they wouldn't know how to do my job

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

If it's a franchise they will have centralised HR and should have policies, procedures etc. Ask for a copy of the procedures manual (ie that which relates to transferring staff to other branches etc). Get everything in writing, ask for reasons why, start compiling a log. In the meanwhile, look for another job, but I'd advise toughing it out until you get one.

Armed with the above, you may have a case for constructive dismissal, especially if they a) have no documented procedures (which is illegal), or b) have contravened them.

As a parting shot (when you have a new job), I'd let them know you're considering taking them to a tribunal for constructive dismissal and tell them you'll see them again in court

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If it's a franchise they will have centralised HR and should have policies, procedures etc. Ask for a copy of the procedures manual (ie that which relates to transferring staff to other branches etc). Get everything in writing, ask for reasons why, start compiling a log. In the meanwhile, look for another job, but I'd advise toughing it out until you get one.

Armed with the above, you may have a case for constructive dismissal, especially if they a) have no documented procedures (which is illegal), or b) have contravened them.

As a parting shot (when you have a new job), I'd let them know you're considering taking them to a tribunal for constructive dismissal and tell them you'll see them again in court"

As a franchise everything is dealt with the managing director, the reason I have been given for moving offices is to ease the pressure on who I thought was a decent colleague, until she has gone straight to the top about issues that are being dealt with and she has lied through her teeth at some of the points.

I'm a little worried about anew job though as most need immediate starters and I have to give six weeks notice x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do you have to give 6 weeks notice and who benefits from it. If you find a new job before them ... Well x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why do you have to give 6 weeks notice and who benefits from it. If you find a new job before them ... Well x "

Its written in my contract that I have to give a weeks notice for every year I have been there x

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

Most work places dont want you to actually work your notice in case you do somethin to disrupt or sabotage,. Or is that just me??. X x X

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Most work places dont want you to actually work your notice in case you do somethin to disrupt or sabotage,. Or is that just me??. X x X

I doubt they would not make me work it as no one else actually knows how to do the accounts... X

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By *ighland_RoseCouple
over a year ago

Brigadoon

Can you take some holidays? If you could it would give you a break from the place and give you more time to work on getting another job.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

good luck .. i'm sure there are managers on here who have to hire and fire .. i'm pleased being self employed i never have to control peoples lives like that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do you have to give 6 weeks notice and who benefits from it. If you find a new job before them ... Well x

Its written in my contract that I have to give a weeks notice for every year I have been there x"

And what would happen if you didn't ? Is it also written in your Contract they can make you move offices ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ok she needs to give you the opportunity to respond what is her evidence of poor performance? what support is she giving you to make changes?

by moving you she has decided to punish you without evidence you can submit a grievance as you are being singled out and the above.

hope this helps

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Google constructive dismissal. Franchise or not employment law covers all employers.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why do you have to give 6 weeks notice and who benefits from it. If you find a new job before them ... Well x

Its written in my contract that I have to give a weeks notice for every year I have been there x

And what would happen if you didn't ? Is it also written in your Contract they can make you move offices ?

Not sure but I know from past experiences she has taken colleagues to court etc. and it's written we will do as needed x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"ok she needs to give you the opportunity to respond what is her evidence of poor performance? what support is she giving you to make changes?

by moving you she has decided to punish you without evidence you can submit a grievance as you are being singled out and the above.

hope this helps"

Said she has moved me in order for the other woman not to get stressed out x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google constructive dismissal. Franchise or not employment law covers all employers."

constructive dismissal too hard to prove. you are taking too much of a risk. you will be quitting your job and hoping courts agree with you too risky

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By *uckyinlustMan
over a year ago

manchester

Some great advice on here for you .........

As for me , I went self employed in August , its not been easy but I love it , but you asked a question...........what would I do ...........

Well I'd fuck em right off, forget your six weeks notice, just resign , get the fuck out of there and , believe me , you will find another job , be brave girl ....

Whatever you decide .......I , and everyone on here wish you luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it was me I would stop blaming everyone but myself for a start,this all sounds very one sided to me.

I'm not saying you're lying or exaggerating but you come across as very hard done by and after several years of working your backside off,that seems strange imo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"First, Id want details of why they thought I wasnt working the way I should be and what they were going to offer to help me overcome that...

Resigning would all depend on the likelihood of getting another suitable job "

The company has a duty of care for all employees, and there should be written procedures which should be implemented is such situations, which should include inter_iews amongst the appropiate staff concerned and and a proposal the help ensure the situation can be monitored and any short comings be picked up on, so any additional training may be applied so the job becomes workable for all members of staff ! If you fmake a formal complaint unfortunatley it will go in your work record...

But do remember it is illegal for a employer/ ex employer to give a negative reference and you can sue the living daylights out of them if they do !

Probably better to grin and bare it find another job and leave if it is in your contract to work for six weeks. Write your resignation that they have made your employment position untenable and feel that due to hostilities you feel for your health you have no choice but to leave with immediate effect. They won't win if they decided to take you to court, besides it would cost them thousands... Stuff them and have a great Xmas looking forward to a new year and a new job... but don't just throw the towel in hang on in there till you have a job to jump too and give them as much written notice as possible !

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

but also know if you resign Thats them won. X x X

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

all i have to say is.

Its notoriously difficult to find a company that is setting on in january, the job market really dies down then and sometimes into feb too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never ever hand in your hand in your notice till you have a new job.

What does your contract say does it stat a place of work i.e. the address.

as other have send get everything in writing. as for the reason why they want you to move. if it due to not working is disappointing as why it is and how you can improve it.

If someone has made a compliant they have to tell you who and what the compliant is as you have a right to put your side of it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If it was me I would stop blaming everyone but myself for a start,this all sounds very one sided to me.

I'm not saying you're lying or exaggerating but you come across as very hard done by and after several years of working your backside off,that seems strange imo."

I'm not saying I am right by all means I have my fault but could you manage 600 properties and ther accounts with no support from higher management that don't even know what my job entails? X

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By *uckyinlustMan
over a year ago

manchester

"First, Id want details of why they thought I wasnt working the way I should be and what they were going to offer to help me overcome that...

Resigning would all depend on the likelihood of getting another suitable job

But do remember it is illegal for a employer/ ex employer to give a negative reference and you can sue the living daylights out of them if they do !

Well said, and well put .........

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"never ever hand in your hand in your notice till you have a new job.

What does your contract say does it stat a place of work i.e. the address.

as other have send get everything in writing. as for the reason why they want you to move. if it due to not working is disappointing as why it is and how you can improve it.

If someone has made a compliant they have to tell you who and what the compliant is as you have a right to put your side of it.

I have tried to put my side to it but no one wants to know. X

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

And to top it off I have just been called into a meeting on Friday morning, well this lass can't be strong no more, I will have my notice written x

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By *uckyinlustMan
over a year ago

manchester

"And to top it off I have just been called into a meeting on Friday morning, well this lass can't be strong no more, I will have my notice written x"

Go girl...........

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

Dont be silly......torch the place with them in it.. X x X.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just have to hope and pray I find a new job x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"never ever hand in your hand in your notice till you have a new job.

What does your contract say does it stat a place of work i.e. the address.

as other have send get everything in writing. as for the reason why they want you to move. if it due to not working is disappointing as why it is and how you can improve it.

If someone has made a compliant they have to tell you who and what the compliant is as you have a right to put your side of it.

I have tried to put my side to it but no one wants to know. X"

Make sure all your complaints are put via email preferably so it is dated and timed they can't deny you did nothing to hepl sort situation, they won't have a leg to stand on. If they ring you immediately you put phone down write up a journal with all info in it re telephone conversation... it will be admissable if it goes before court or an ombudsman ! You are in control as long as all is documented !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Well just dug my contract out and its four weeks notice, I have a telephone inter_iew for elsewhere on Friday so will see if they want me to work my notice or not x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not get a sick note from dr till after Xmas . My last job I was so wound up that I told my wife's boss to shove works do up her arse . Didn't go down well and I resigned that was 10 yrs ago jobs were Easyer to find . Oh ps when I left that job they relised what they'd lost !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why not get a sick note from dr till after Xmas . My last job I was so wound up that I told my wife's boss to shove works do up her arse . Didn't go down well and I resigned that was 10 yrs ago jobs were Easyer to find . Oh ps when I left that job they relised what they'd lost ! "

Because I'd rather just walk away if I'm honest, it's been a long time coming x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because I'd rather just walk away if I'm honest, it's been a long time coming x"
I can understand that nothing worse than work stress can ruin ur life Iv been there .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Because I'd rather just walk away if I'm honest, it's been a long time coming xI can understand that nothing worse than work stress can ruin ur life Iv been there . "

It's making me low and I haven't even got dressed today as all I can think about is work, I'm living on three hours sleep a night due to it, so think new year new start x

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

I must admit to skimming through the bulk of the thread so may have missed it but...

Have you thought of starting up on your own? I know it's not easy, however if you have the skills, knowledge and contacts it could be worth considering....

Good luck xxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I must admit to skimming through the bulk of the thread so may have missed it but...

Have you thought of starting up on your own? I know it's not easy, however if you have the skills, knowledge and contacts it could be worth considering....

Good luck xxx"

I've often wondered about this but not got the funds to do so, just going to take the plunge and hope for the best x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im in a very similar position to yourself,The bitching and backbiting at my place of work (I work for a Charity) has made me physically ill.Im looking for other openings but at the same time I suggest that you look at the government website on bullying in the workplace as ive discovered that my Employers meet all the criteria for being bullies and I shan't hesitate to persue them down that route when I do leave.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Im in a very similar position to yourself,The bitching and backbiting at my place of work (I work for a Charity) has made me physically ill.Im looking for other openings but at the same time I suggest that you look at the government website on bullying in the workplace as ive discovered that my Employers meet all the criteria for being bullies and I shan't hesitate to persue them down that route when I do leave."

Thank you for this, I guess you live and learn overtime x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you've answered it yourself, no job is worth that & if you end up doing a couple of temp jobs until you find something permanent so be it. Life is to short to be unhappy, unappreciated & your health & self esteem are far more important.

Go make yourself happy! And you're allowed to be a little smug that they are going to be really stuck without you!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think you've answered it yourself, no job is worth that & if you end up doing a couple of temp jobs until you find something permanent so be it. Life is to short to be unhappy, unappreciated & your health & self esteem are far more important.

Go make yourself happy! And you're allowed to be a little smug that they are going to be really stuck without you!!"

It's making me sad that it has come to this but wish I had taken the chance earlier on in the year when was offered another job... Stayed as I am loyal and am the last standing member from the opening six years ago... Oh well hopefully onwards and upwards x

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Well feel like a weight has started to lift, told the parents today but mum is being really supportive, notice is written ready for tomorrow so hopefully will feel even better soon x

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Well feel like a weight has started to lift, told the parents today but mum is being really supportive, notice is written ready for tomorrow so hopefully will feel even better soon x"

If you are, as you say, a fairly substantial cog in their machine, then use that, tell them that you will walk away tomorrow if it isnt sorted.

Be polite, be calm, state your case, explain the situation, and let them see what it is they could be losing if they let you go.

When faced with the harsh reality of trying to replace you at the drop of a hat, they might be a little bit more agreeable!

Whatever happens.... good luck.

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

north Down

Sounds like your co-worker, is under stress with her duties. And has jumped in and put her problems, with her job and blamed them on you .

I would try and stick with it, doing my very best, to show how valuable my roll was within the company. While doing so, I'd be looking for something somewhere else. Then give my notice and go. All the best in whatever you decide.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thanks for all the nice posts, everyone is stressed at the moment but when I dread going to work I know its the end, plus when I've been applying I've found lower jobs paying a load more so who knows x

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