FabSwingers.com forum: India's Gay Laws

By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I have been a little shocked and saddened that India has taken a backwards step on Gay Rights with the courts reversing the 2009 decision to decriminalise homosexual acts. What are they using? The old 150 year old colonial laws.

Is this healthy for a country moving forward, with such a large population and becoming a 'superpower'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its ironic because it was actually the British who created the law in India when they ruled.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Its ironic because it was actually the British who created the law in India when they ruled. "

I know.

It just feels like large parts of the world are moving backwards and I wonder what fear is driving that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its ironic because it was actually the British who created the law in India when they ruled.

I know.

It just feels like large parts of the world are moving backwards and I wonder what fear is driving that."

yes i think this also,and more so in the uk.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I think because we have liberal views we expect the rest of the world to fall in step. Before we start criticising other "backward" countries, read some of the comments posted by liberal swingers on the bi threads!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

India's decision is positively medieval. However it is in line with other medieval attitudes which still go unpunished in that country eg caste system, female infanticide, gender selective abortion, forced prostitution and slavery, child brides, rape and sadly also extremely violent gang rape (as was highlighted in the news recently).

So, it does not surprise me one bit.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Reprehensible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think because we have liberal views we expect the rest of the world to fall in step. Before we start criticising other "backward" countries, read some of the comments posted by liberal swingers on the bi threads!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should focus on crimes against women by men. That's what India has been notorious for this year after that student died from rape on a bus.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"They should focus on crimes against women by men. That's what India has been notorious for this year after that student died from rape on a bus."

When we start dealing with men committing crimes against children we can start taking the moral high ground and dictate to others how they should conduct their business!

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I am not saying the country is backwards at all, just this action is reversing a relatively new freedom and making it a criminal activity again. That is the retrograde step I don't understand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should focus on crimes against women by men. That's what India has been notorious for this year after that student died from rape on a bus.

When we start dealing with men committing crimes against children we can start taking the moral high ground and dictate to others how they should conduct their business! "

Or indeed women committing crimes against children.

Or do you condone those?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"They should focus on crimes against women by men. That's what India has been notorious for this year after that student died from rape on a bus.

When we start dealing with men committing crimes against children we can start taking the moral high ground and dictate to others how they should conduct their business!

Or indeed women committing crimes against children.

Or do you condone those?"

My point obviously went over your head.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is very saddening, I wonder if Russia has had any influence. I went yo India in June and it's an amazing country and everyone I met was very forward thinking. This does seem like a very strange decision & step. I agree with the OP that a lot of countries seem to be taking backward steps regarding gay rights....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To some degree homosexuality is illegal in 41 of the 53 commonwealth countries including a number of countries where our Queen is head of state …

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should focus on crimes against women by men. That's what India has been notorious for this year after that student died from rape on a bus."

that's not eveyday life in India what happened there could have been in any country, they was just evil lads that happened to be indian not indian lads doing normal everyday stuff in their country

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"I have been a little shocked and saddened that India has taken a backwards step on Gay Rights with the courts reversing the 2009 decision to decriminalise homosexual acts. What are they using? The old 150 year old colonial laws.

Is this healthy for a country moving forward, with such a large population and becoming a 'superpower'?"

Not that i'm condoning the act but which country or person as the moral high ground to question them

Name a country that has fair rights for all people regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation etc etc etc. Everyone has their issues.

The fact that India is taking a backward step isn't really healthy but what can you do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this healthy for a country moving forward, with such a large population and becoming a 'superpower'?

Not that i'm condoning the act but which country or person as the moral high ground to question them

Name a country that has fair rights for all people regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation etc etc etc. Everyone has their issues.

The fact that India is taking a backward step isn't really healthy but what can you do

Its not even a backwards step as such. Courts legalised it and a higher court reinstated old law making it ilegal because quite rightly, it is down to the government to step up and change it, not the courts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What I think of it doesn't matter, same for anyone else here as we can't exactly change the law in this country. Let alone another country.

The sad thing is though you can't please everyone as it is possible to make sure you don't discriminate against someone's sexuality, which can only be a good thing right? But if you do that. You may end uo arguing with someone who doesn't like that sort of thing or think it isn't right, etc. Yet some religions think that is the case. So by back one thing aren't you discriminating another?

I agree though all forms of discrimination should be wiped out as there's no reason for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But as a gay or bi person would you suddenly turn straight if having same sex relations became an illegal act……….

I'd become a criminal ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But as a gay or bi person would you suddenly turn straight if having same sex relations became an illegal act……….

I'd become a criminal ....

I think if someone was gay. They will hide it or move country. So the country wins that way as less "crimes" will be committed and bis will probably only make moves on people who are a different gender to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats it....were having fish and chips for dinner. Was going for a curry but fuck em!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We in uk are not in position to lecture or condemn other nations for what rules they have even though i strongly disagree with their stance.

We moan if others try interfere etc so we can raise questions and wring our hands in disgust but thats all we should do.

As for them being a superpower not sure how that matters just look at russia and chinas human rights records yet government snuggling up to china.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"We in uk are not in position to lecture or condemn other nations for what rules they have even though i strongly disagree with their stance.

We moan if others try interfere etc so we can raise questions and wring our hands in disgust but thats all we should do.

As for them being a superpower not sure how that matters just look at russia and chinas human rights records yet government snuggling up to china.

I personally dont think the OP was lecturing or condemning but just instigating a debate on gay rights in a country that's meant to be advancing

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple
over a year ago

markinch

So long as were getting oil or even cheaper labor than here then any country will be able to do as they wish in there own laws

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is, and I'm not just talking about India this goes for many countries, because homosexuality goes against many religions a lot of counties will never accept it as for a lot religion comes above everything else including law so law will always stay inline with religion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem is, and I'm not just talking about India this goes for many countries, because homosexuality goes against many religions a lot of counties will never accept it as for a lot religion comes above everything else including law so law will always stay inline with religion"

You want a debate on this. You have more or less said it here though. Read my post above.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We in uk are not in position to lecture or condemn other nations for what rules they have even though i strongly disagree with their stance.

We moan if others try interfere etc so we can raise questions and wring our hands in disgust but thats all we should do.

As for them being a superpower not sure how that matters just look at russia and chinas human rights records yet government snuggling up to china.

I personally dont think the OP was lecturing or condemning but just instigating a debate on gay rights in a country that's meant to be advancing "

If it seemed i was havong go at op not intended was more a general gripe at uk double standards.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

True but isn't the law, as in its origins, start off on religious rights & wrongs & then evolve to what we have today?

Even here in the UK homosexuality and now same sex marriage (i think) is accepted in the law but not by religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

True but isn't the law, as in its origins, start off on religious rights & wrongs & then evolve to what we have today?

Even here in the UK homosexuality and now same sex marriage (i think) is accepted in the law but not by religion."

that's because a lot of English people don't give a toss about religion and don't care if laws go against it, not all counties are like that

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

In a lot of countries the law is based on religion. In some countries the leaders of the religion are also the leaders of the country.

In the UK we moved away from this years ago but look how long some of the laws have taken to change and reflect current thinking.

What hope have people got in countries where the laws are made by old conservative men... and how many of those men practice what they preach against...

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

True but isn't the law, as in its origins, start off on religious rights & wrongs & then evolve to what we have today?

Even here in the UK homosexuality and now same sex marriage (i think) is accepted in the law but not by religion.

that's because a lot of English people don't give a toss about religion and don't care if laws go against it, not all counties are like that "

Again very true, my comment wasn't casting judgement on the british legal system, it has its flaws but is a lot better than some 'super power' countries. I meant the origin of law in general spans from religion. Some countries have moved on others are still catching up

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple
over a year ago

markinch

Think we need to worry more inregards to what is happening on our own doorstep before concerning ourselves about other countries , i .e. Trying to lower the age of concentual sex to 15 , where to stop , when we are inline with france at 12 , think not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a super power that has many of its people in extreme poverty and is sending rockets into space, is backward in my view

I'm all for science,exploring etc..but they have to tackle a lot of things before start wasting billions...

and we are talking third world poverty for a HUGE population..I think its quite obvious how money is distributed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this healthy for a country moving forward, with such a large population and becoming a 'superpower'?"

It Pre-Dates Colonial laws by Centuries its a Religious thing, I personally may not agree but most Religions class it as a Sin

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Is this healthy for a country moving forward, with such a large population and becoming a 'superpower'?

It Pre-Dates Colonial laws by Centuries its a Religious thing, I personally may not agree but most Religions class it as a Sin"

It's the fact that it was decriminalised by a lower court in 2009 and not really challenged in law after that until now. Those that came out can't just pop back in again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this healthy for a country moving forward, with such a large population and becoming a 'superpower'?

It Pre-Dates Colonial laws by Centuries its a Religious thing, I personally may not agree but most Religions class it as a Sin

It's the fact that it was decriminalised by a lower court in 2009 and not really challenged in law after that until now. Those that came out can't just pop back in again.

I agree, but whether we think its right or wrong India is one of those very complicated Countries, Governed by Law but ruled by Religion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In recent history, India has been governed by multi coalitions of 20-30 political bodies; there's so much back scratching going on that the resulting laws & rulings are usually laughable.

And by far the biggest problem for India as a nation is the vast overpopulation - some might say that the more gay relationships, the merrier for that very problem!!!

That's India; full of ironys & contradictions - & far too many people!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Is this healthy for a country moving forward, with such a large population and becoming a 'superpower'?

It Pre-Dates Colonial laws by Centuries its a Religious thing, I personally may not agree but most Religions class it as a Sin

It's the fact that it was decriminalised by a lower court in 2009 and not really challenged in law after that until now. Those that came out can't just pop back in again.

I agree, but whether we think its right or wrong India is one of those very complicated Countries, Governed by Law but ruled by Religion"

Scotland's a bit like that.

Politicians ignore the power of the pulpit at their peril.

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