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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Of those accused of killing lee rigby, must be so horrendous for his family.

Ive always advocated bringing back the death penalty in such cases and this just makes my decision a correct one for me.

I realise there will always be those against the death penalty and have their own reasons.

Does this trial make any difference to your stance ???

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

No it doesn't.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

No.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

the details of this trial show it wouldnt work.

this killing was done 'an eye for an eye'. if we kill him because he killed lee because soldier killed muslims because some muslims killed some other people....where will it end?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

It was a horrendous crime, but aren't a lot of crimes horrendous?

It doesn't change my opinion. Capital punishment should remain in the past.

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

The death penalty is fair aslong as the judgement is fair. Remember the reasons why it was banished?

I know a guy well who was imprisoned for 10 years for something he didn't do!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not at all

revenge has no place within the law

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

surely they can only plead not guilty if they are saying they didnt do it, but they are giving the trial the details and reasons behind why they did it, so why are the courts even entertaining their plea?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keep them in prison and let the cons deal with them with all their times in prison, he wants to die rather than be sentenced, lets make it hell for them and they deserve it after their appalling actions on a defenceless man minding his own buisness, R.I.P Lee Rigby

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers"

To those who watched them nearly decapitate this young soldier, their guilt is proven.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does this trial make any difference to your stance ??? "

If anything it has strengthened my resolve that the death sentence has no place in a civilised justice system.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

because they have to. thats how the law works.

he plead not guilty so he would get his day in court

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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago

Masked and Distant

No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

The plea is not recognising the charge of murder as they believe the killing to be an act of war rather than a denial of actually killing him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

The plea is not recognising the charge of murder as they believe the killing to be an act of war rather than a denial of actually killing him"

thank you for clearing that up, i didnt actually think of that.

saying that, under the Geneva convention, they are still guilty of murder, or does that not apply to the current problems we are having?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I'd rather they stayed in prison for the whole of their lives. I think life should mean just that. Carry 'em out in a box.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of those accused of killing lee rigby, must be so horrendous for his family.

Ive always advocated bringing back the death penalty in such cases and this just makes my decision a correct one for me.

I realise there will always be those against the death penalty and have their own reasons.

Does this trial make any difference to your stance ??? "

No because if a mistake is made somebody innocent would die. Are you comfortable with that?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

The plea is not recognising the charge of murder as they believe the killing to be an act of war rather than a denial of actually killing him

thank you for clearing that up, i didnt actually think of that.

saying that, under the Geneva convention, they are still guilty of murder, or does that not apply to the current problems we are having?"

So was the soldier who killed the unarmed insurgent in Afghanistan, although the opinions on his sentence has been slightly different on most sites.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion."

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

The plea is not recognising the charge of murder as they believe the killing to be an act of war rather than a denial of actually killing him

thank you for clearing that up, i didnt actually think of that.

saying that, under the Geneva convention, they are still guilty of murder, or does that not apply to the current problems we are having?

So was the soldier who killed the unarmed insurgent in Afghanistan, although the opinions on his sentence has been slightly different on most sites. "

absolutely agree.

guilty of murder too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not at all

revenge has no place within the law"

I totally agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an advocate of the return of the death penalty, this case strengthens my resolve.

The bastard wants to be a martyr and hide behind his religious fanaticism... I would gladly help him towards his forty virgins... He'll be forgotten old news tomorrow...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They pleaded guilty because A: they see it as an act of war & B: they don't recognise our law.

There's certainly question marks over them actually living here when they don't recognise our judicial system, - that should be a prerequisite for residency; but in retrospect, there's been countless others who've seen injustice in our so-called 'Justice' system.

Whenever politics are added - it does tend to simulate that of a rogue nation!

To be honest, I cannot follow this story too closely - it's way, way too gruesome for me!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

to be fair there are thousands of cell full of people wo dont accept our laws....thats what a criminal is

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

This case, nor any others, change my stance. The death penalty is wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As an advocate of the return of the death penalty, this case strengthens my resolve.

The bastard wants to be a martyr and hide behind his religious fanaticism... I would gladly help him towards his forty virgins... He'll be forgotten old news tomorrow...

to us he would be old news, for those that fight for the same misguided cause, they would be held up as something to emulate.

no, they should be left to rot in prison, as has been said, and show their ilk there is no easy way to allah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"to be fair there are thousands of cell full of people wo dont accept our laws....thats what a criminal is"

Unless it's you, and you happen to be innocent, of course!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion."

And what other aspects of sharia law should Britain adopt ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seriously people actually agree with death penalty? In this case would mean the criminal own and were as bad as they are. Yes they should suffer but prison(no luxuarys tv etc) for the rest of their days. Death is a get out for people like that.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Obviously they will be found guilty as Lee Rigby he was unarmed and not in a combative situation at the time. Similar circumstances to the execution by the British sergeant of a wounded prisoner. Thus their sentences should be similar

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should be hung. I don't see that as being "as bad as them" or "revenge within the law" it's common sense. I don't want my taxes paying for such filth. If it was a dog that had mauled someone to death, everybody would agree that the dog should be put down. By executing him, not only would be rid of this filth, but it may also be a lesson to others, therefore reducing further potential crime.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

I feel for Lee's family having to re live the horror over again, my thoughts are with them.

Surely we are dealing with mentally ill people who committed this disgusting crime, not criminals. Would it be right to give the death penalty to the mentally ill? I'm not convinced.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"to be fair there are thousands of cell full of people wo dont accept our laws....thats what a criminal is

Unless it's you, and you happen to be innocent, of course! "

They'd have to catch me first

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

I don't think they're mentally ill, well, not any more so than anyone else who believes in a fictitious pan dimensional ubiquitous omnipotent super being.

They believe they are soldiers and that their actions are justifiable in the context of prosecuting an armed struggle against an oppressor.

I don't agree with their stance, but that is how they see things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no place for the death penalty in civilised society...an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

They will no doubt be jailed for the whole of their lives and spend all of that time segregated from the other inmates. I think it unlikely they will survive to serve their sentence as there will be no shortage of hardened lifers with nothing to lose.

The untold suffering they are causing his family and little-mentioned fiancee by pleading not guilty is what makes this trial even more appalling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel for Lee's family having to re live the horror over again, my thoughts are with them.

Surely we are dealing with mentally ill people who committed this disgusting crime, not criminals. Would it be right to give the death penalty to the mentally ill? I'm not convinced."

If them killing someone makes them mentally ill then everyone who's killed someone is mentally ill. Wouldn't their executioner be mentally ill to kill someone because he was told to by his boss

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By *ung hiMan
over a year ago

Northwest

Simply this person is no Muslim

Brainwashed . Puts everyone in trouble.

All walks of life. Why people put religion first ?

It does not say in Islam at all what this animal did.

R.I.P. Lee Rigby .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No there is no place for the death penalty in a civilized society. Any enforced death is barbaric and although the law can sometimes seem unfair,it's spot on with the abolishment of the death penalty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No don't give them the martyrdom they desire, in fact they should be offered first class food and drink every day for the rest of their lives. Roast Pork and vegetables prepared in the finest pork fat washed down with fine wines would seem appropriate.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"I don't think they're mentally ill, well, not any more so than anyone else who believes in a fictitious pan dimensional ubiquitous omnipotent super being.

They believe they are soldiers and that their actions are justifiable in the context of prosecuting an armed struggle against an oppressor.

I don't agree with their stance, but that is how they see things"

I agree that they "believe" that they are soldiers, but they are not.

Soldiers don't run someone over in a car then try to hack the persons head off. That is why I believe that they are mentally ill. I am not a psychiatrist however but what i'm saying is that that is not the behavior of someone who is of sound mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

If a soldier kills an enemy, he would say he wasn't guilty of murder, same thing.

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By * times sexyCouple
over a year ago

Staffs

Im sure you noticed that in his evidence he asked to deported or executed. you see thats exactly what he wants , to be made a martyr for the cause the last thing he wants is to be locked up for the rest of his natural. A lifetime in solitary till you die is worse than a quick exit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

If a soldier kills an enemy, he would say he wasn't guilty of murder, same thing."

would that not be in a warzone, in a battle situation, not in a city street, on the way back from costa coffee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

.....take not life which God has made sacred, except by way of justice and law.....Qur'an 6:151

Sharia law or British law, its a simple choice really. Our law has moved on, its not perfect, but its providing a solution closer to my beliefs than Sharia law.

I don't want anyone to kill in my name and I don't believe in State revenge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And what other aspects of sharia law should Britain adopt ? "

It certainly doesn't offend me,

Emotional knee jerk reactions are to be expected.

People kill every minute of every day of every year,

Maybe whats happened in this case will focus peoples outrage of killing, and help stop further killing around the world.

The sad thing is each and everyone of us supports murder on a daily basis by paying taxes and financing wars, our money is used to train people to kill.

All killing is murder.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"I feel for Lee's family having to re live the horror over again, my thoughts are with them.

Surely we are dealing with mentally ill people who committed this disgusting crime, not criminals. Would it be right to give the death penalty to the mentally ill? I'm not convinced.

If them killing someone makes them mentally ill then everyone who's killed someone is mentally ill. Wouldn't their executioner be mentally ill to kill someone because he was told to by his boss "

I disagree, soldiers/executioners etc are people at work, doing a job.

What makes them mentally ill in my opinion is selecting a person, mowing him down in a car and then hacking his head off with knives. Then standing around and waiting to be shot by the Police.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

If a soldier kills an enemy, he would say he wasn't guilty of murder, same thing.

would that not be in a warzone, in a battle situation, not in a city street, on the way back from costa coffee"

To many the war is happening in their streets outside their cafe's and homes, the location is irrelavent, killing is murder, the fact that it has happened in front of us, will hopefully help end murder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel for Lee's family having to re live the horror over again, my thoughts are with them.

Surely we are dealing with mentally ill people who committed this disgusting crime, not criminals. Would it be right to give the death penalty to the mentally ill? I'm not convinced.

If them killing someone makes them mentally ill then everyone who's killed someone is mentally ill. Wouldn't their executioner be mentally ill to kill someone because he was told to by his boss

I disagree, soldiers/executioners etc are people at work, doing a job.

What makes them mentally ill in my opinion is selecting a person, mowing him down in a car and then hacking his head off with knives. Then standing around and waiting to be shot by the Police.

I don't think they are less sane than anyone else, they were trying to bring attention to the atrocities commited on a daily basis, away from the camera, they chose a very public place, they felt as if they were doing a job. and hopefully it will make people think.

So you think it is right that you pay people to kill women, children and innocent people who are not involved in a war, now that does sound slightly odd.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or partial to a Costa in Baghdad or Belfast? Has a ring, eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

If a soldier kills an enemy, he would say he wasn't guilty of murder, same thing.

would that not be in a warzone, in a battle situation, not in a city street, on the way back from costa coffee"

U S drone attacks have killed children in Pakistan (who we are not at war with).

The real tragedy is that there are people in Muslim countries today who would attack the next 'Lee Rigby' if they could because of what they see or hear about on their streets.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"I feel for Lee's family having to re live the horror over again, my thoughts are with them.

Surely we are dealing with mentally ill people who committed this disgusting crime, not criminals. Would it be right to give the death penalty to the mentally ill? I'm not convinced.

If them killing someone makes them mentally ill then everyone who's killed someone is mentally ill. Wouldn't their executioner be mentally ill to kill someone because he was told to by his boss

I disagree, soldiers/executioners etc are people at work, doing a job.

What makes them mentally ill in my opinion is selecting a person, mowing him down in a car and then hacking his head off with knives. Then standing around and waiting to be shot by the Police.

So you think it is right that you pay people to kill women, children and innocent people who are not involved in a war, now that does sound slightly odd."

I didn't say that I stated a fact. If soldiers kill innocent women and children then they would also be guilty of murder

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

If a soldier kills an enemy, he would say he wasn't guilty of murder, same thing.

would that not be in a warzone, in a battle situation, not in a city street, on the way back from costa coffee

U S drone attacks have killed children in Pakistan (who we are not at war with).

....... "

The US works on the basis of 'my enemy's friend is my enemy'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel for Lee's family having to re live the horror over again, my thoughts are with them.

Surely we are dealing with mentally ill people who committed this disgusting crime, not criminals. Would it be right to give the death penalty to the mentally ill? I'm not convinced.

If them killing someone makes them mentally ill then everyone who's killed someone is mentally ill. Wouldn't their executioner be mentally ill to kill someone because he was told to by his boss

I disagree, soldiers/executioners etc are people at work, doing a job.

What makes them mentally ill in my opinion is selecting a person, mowing him down in a car and then hacking his head off with knives. Then standing around and waiting to be shot by the Police.

So you think it is right that you pay people to kill women, children and innocent people who are not involved in a war, now that does sound slightly odd.

I didn't say that I stated a fact. If soldiers kill innocent women and children then they would also be guilty of murder "

That's my point exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This immotive subject always brings out the boot hill brigade . What mostly identifies a civilised society is how we treat the people on the margins of that society ..the elderly the infirm the poor etc and the murderous even . Do we want a society like america ...a vengeful ideology that cheapens the human life and contravenes all christian doctine . My obgection comes not from a religious imperative but a humanistic one

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"As an advocate of the return of the death penalty, this case strengthens my resolve.

The bastard wants to be a martyr and hide behind his religious fanaticism... I would gladly help him towards his forty virgins... He'll be forgotten old news tomorrow...

to us he would be old news, for those that fight for the same misguided cause, they would be held up as something to emulate.

no, they should be left to rot in prison, as has been said, and show their ilk there is no easy way to allah"

But they wont rot in prison.

Either some "lifer" or "lifers" will slit their throats...or they will hang themselves .

If.....they do manage to spend a considerable time locked away on rule 49 ? for their own safety (thats a laugh) then they will manipulate the system and their "human rights" for a better deal.

What abut lee rigbys "human rights" to go about his life without being subjected to the appalling and horrific death he suffered.

The trial itself is their public speaking platform ,which shouldnt be allowed. Just the facts should be allowed. But it seems we give more rights and a better public platform to those commiting these kinds of atrocities , than those who suffer at the hands of.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"As an advocate of the return of the death penalty, this case strengthens my resolve.

The bastard wants to be a martyr and hide behind his religious fanaticism... I would gladly help him towards his forty virgins... He'll be forgotten old news tomorrow...

to us he would be old news, for those that fight for the same misguided cause, they would be held up as something to emulate.

no, they should be left to rot in prison, as has been said, and show their ilk there is no easy way to allah

But they wont rot in prison.

Either some "lifer" or "lifers" will slit their throats...or they will hang themselves .

If.....they do manage to spend a considerable time locked away on rule 49 ? for their own safety (thats a laugh) then they will manipulate the system and their "human rights" for a better deal.

What abut lee rigbys "human rights" to go about his life without being subjected to the appalling and horrific death he suffered.

Lowering ourselves to their standards isn't the answer.

As a nation, we're better than that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

......But it seems we give more rights and a better public platform to those commiting these kinds of atrocities , than those who suffer at the hands of. "

No we don't. We give the same rights to everyone. People who take away the rights of others are called criminals and punished for doing so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As an advocate of the return of the death penalty, this case strengthens my resolve.

The bastard wants to be a martyr and hide behind his religious fanaticism... I would gladly help him towards his forty virgins... He'll be forgotten old news tomorrow...

to us he would be old news, for those that fight for the same misguided cause, they would be held up as something to emulate.

no, they should be left to rot in prison, as has been said, and show their ilk there is no easy way to allah

But they wont rot in prison.

Either some "lifer" or "lifers" will slit their throats...or they will hang themselves .

If.....they do manage to spend a considerable time locked away on rule 49 ? for their own safety (thats a laugh) then they will manipulate the system and their "human rights" for a better deal.

What abut lee rigbys "human rights" to go about his life without being subjected to the appalling and horrific death he suffered.

Lowering ourselves to their standards isn't the answer.

As a nation, we're better than that."
I agree but as a nation we should also nt allow our government a mandate to be duplicit in the crimes of the american and israeli administrations and there foreign policies that make us all targets for extremists

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"As an advocate of the return of the death penalty, this case strengthens my resolve.

The bastard wants to be a martyr and hide behind his religious fanaticism... I would gladly help him towards his forty virgins... He'll be forgotten old news tomorrow...

to us he would be old news, for those that fight for the same misguided cause, they would be held up as something to emulate.

no, they should be left to rot in prison, as has been said, and show their ilk there is no easy way to allah

But they wont rot in prison.

Either some "lifer" or "lifers" will slit their throats...or they will hang themselves .

If.....they do manage to spend a considerable time locked away on rule 49 ? for their own safety (thats a laugh) then they will manipulate the system and their "human rights" for a better deal.

What abut lee rigbys "human rights" to go about his life without being subjected to the appalling and horrific death he suffered.

Lowering ourselves to their standards isn't the answer.

As a nation, we're better than that.I agree but as a nation we should also nt allow our government a mandate to be duplicit in the crimes of the american and israeli administrations and there foreign policies that make us all targets for extremists "

We're part of NATO. An attack on one is deemed to be an attack on all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm an advocate of the death penalty for anything that is proven beyond reasonable doubt , and in this case it would warrant it !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm an advocate of the death penalty for anything that is proven beyond reasonable doubt , and in this case it would warrant it ! "
By that premise bush blair and obama ,who by the way despite the slick rhetoric is worse than his predecessors should all be sent to the gallows

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?"

No I would had them over to the family and the friends and colleges of Lee to deal with them. If it was my child I would enact medevil punishment on them let them be hung, drawn and quartered. If the law is seen as too soft this type of thing will continue

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm an advocate of the death penalty for anything that is proven beyond reasonable doubt , and in this case it would warrant it ! "

Would that include the Marine recently convicted?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

The punishment has little effect on the incidence of crime.

Criminals don't expect to be caught, far less punished. Look at the murder rate in the US states where capital punishment is still in use.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not at all

revenge has no place within the law"

It is not revenge it is punishment, they knew what they were doing and stood in front of a camera with the blood dripping off the knife, Lees blood and said that they had done it case closed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.Strange how women supposed nurturers and usually more thoughtful than men are very often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

The punishment has little effect on the incidence of crime.

Criminals don't expect to be caught, far less punished. Look at the murder rate in the US states where capital punishment is still in use."

I am not saying that it should be brought in for all cases but when there is no doubt of the guilt and lack of remorse of these men why do they deserve to continue to live untouched for their crime

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.Strange how women supposed nurturers and usually more thoughtful than men are very often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

strange how women seen as nurturers and very often more thoughtful than men are often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

The punishment has little effect on the incidence of crime.

Criminals don't expect to be caught, far less punished. Look at the murder rate in the US states where capital punishment is still in use.

I am not saying that it should be brought in for all cases but when there is no doubt of the guilt and lack of remorse of these men why do they deserve to continue to live untouched for their crime"

What will that achieve? Will it stop others from committing similar crimes? The evidence says no.

Will it quench the blood thirst of the mob? Possibly - but that's revenge, not punishment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As an advocate of the return of the death penalty, this case strengthens my resolve.

The bastard wants to be a martyr and hide behind his religious fanaticism... I would gladly help him towards his forty virgins... He'll be forgotten old news tomorrow...

to us he would be old news, for those that fight for the same misguided cause, they would be held up as something to emulate.

no, they should be left to rot in prison, as has been said, and show their ilk there is no easy way to allah

But they wont rot in prison.

Either some "lifer" or "lifers" will slit their throats...or they will hang themselves .

If.....they do manage to spend a considerable time locked away on rule 49 ? for their own safety (thats a laugh) then they will manipulate the system and their "human rights" for a better deal.

What abut lee rigbys "human rights" to go about his life without being subjected to the appalling and horrific death he suffered.

Lowering ourselves to their standards isn't the answer.

As a nation, we're better than that."

As a nation we are trying to mimic America in everyway. We are not better than that we used to be but now we don't have any identity. We are too PC for our own good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As an advocate of the return of the death penalty, this case strengthens my resolve.

The bastard wants to be a martyr and hide behind his religious fanaticism... I would gladly help him towards his forty virgins... He'll be forgotten old news tomorrow...

to us he would be old news, for those that fight for the same misguided cause, they would be held up as something to emulate.

no, they should be left to rot in prison, as has been said, and show their ilk there is no easy way to allah

But they wont rot in prison.

Either some "lifer" or "lifers" will slit their throats...or they will hang themselves .

If.....they do manage to spend a considerable time locked away on rule 49 ? for their own safety (thats a laugh) then they will manipulate the system and their "human rights" for a better deal.

What abut lee rigbys "human rights" to go about his life without being subjected to the appalling and horrific death he suffered.

Lowering ourselves to their standards isn't the answer.

As a nation, we're better than that.

As a nation we are trying to mimic America in everyway. We are not better than that we used to be but now we don't have any identity. We are too PC for our own good"
to our great cost ...america is not a civilised nation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.Strange how women supposed nurturers and usually more thoughtful than men are very often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

strange how women seen as nurturers and very often more thoughtful than men are often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

The punishment has little effect on the incidence of crime.

Criminals don't expect to be caught, far less punished. Look at the murder rate in the US states where capital punishment is still in use.

I am not saying that it should be brought in for all cases but when there is no doubt of the guilt and lack of remorse of these men why do they deserve to continue to live untouched for their crime

What will that achieve? Will it stop others from committing similar crimes? The evidence says no.

Will it quench the blood thirst of the mob? Possibly - but that's revenge, not punishment."

If it does quell the blood thirst of the mob then it has served a purpose.

And no it will not stop people from committing the same crimes but it may just stop a few. We are a wicked people and killing is in our nature

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.Strange how women supposed nurturers and usually more thoughtful than men are very often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

strange how women seen as nurturers and very often more thoughtful than men are often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

Lol I wish that was true, but women can be the backbone behind many a great man, but can also be the most vicious of people when crossed, hell have no fury line a woman scorned, never has there been spoken a truer term"
admitting your shortcomings dosnt mitigate ...vengefulness bloodlust vitriol ..they are among though most insidious of human frailties not strengths

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WOW forums certainly help you suss people out, a mother who would torture her own children, that has to be a first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.Strange how women supposed nurturers and usually more thoughtful than men are very often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

strange how women seen as nurturers and very often more thoughtful than men are often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

Lol I wish that was true, but women can be the backbone behind many a great man, but can also be the most vicious of people when crossed, hell have no fury line a woman scorned, never has there been spoken a truer termadmitting your shortcomings dosnt mitigate ...vengefulness bloodlust vitriol ..they are among though most insidious of human frailties not strengths"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"WOW forums certainly help you suss people out, a mother who would torture her own children, that has to be a first."

? What are you talking about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"WOW forums certainly help you suss people out, a mother who would torture her own children, that has to be a first.

? What are you talking about"

I read this as if "my child "had committed the murder.

" If it was my child I would enact medevil punishment on them let them be hung, drawn and quartered. If the law is seen as too soft this type of thing will continue "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Their karma will come and no I do not believe in capital punishment at all...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"WOW forums certainly help you suss people out, a mother who would torture her own children, that has to be a first.

? What are you talking about

I read this as if "my child "had committed the murder.

" If it was my child I would enact medevil punishment on them let them be hung, drawn and quartered. If the law is seen as too soft this type of thing will continue "

No if had been my child that had been beheaded and mutalated in the street that would be the punishment I would want and not for revenge to send a message to others that would attack others in the same way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is shit!!!

Move on, I say!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.Strange how women supposed nurturers and usually more thoughtful than men are very often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

strange how women seen as nurturers and very often more thoughtful than men are often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

Lol I wish that was true, but women can be the backbone behind many a great man, but can also be the most vicious of people when crossed, hell have no fury line a woman scorned, never has there been spoken a truer termadmitting your shortcomings dosnt mitigate ...vengefulness bloodlust vitriol ..they are among though most insidious of human frailties not strengths

I never calmed to be a strength, I personally see them as a weekness, but when you boldly and on camera admit to the world that you have committed cold blooded murder then you deserve to be punished. Religious beliefs do not give you a ticket to hold yourself above the law. "
:-I agree therefore isreal has no right to use a 3000 year old divine mandate from a supernatural entity to evict the palestinians frommthere own territory and subsequently persecute there arab neighbours . Nor have the american right the mandate to murder innocent people in iraq iran pakistan yemen etc under the guise of being a christian moral police force . This issue is not seperate from the lee rigby case but central to it and as i said before under the premise of being caught red handed bush blair and obama have murdered far more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"WOW forums certainly help you suss people out, a mother who would torture her own children, that has to be a first.

? What are you talking about

I read this as if "my child "had committed the murder.

" If it was my child I would enact medevil punishment on them let them be hung, drawn and quartered. If the law is seen as too soft this type of thing will continue "

and what would you want to happen to your child if he or she had committed the killing? because of his or her beliefs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.Strange how women supposed nurturers and usually more thoughtful than men are very often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

strange how women seen as nurturers and very often more thoughtful than men are often the most vociferous hang em high lobbyists

Lol I wish that was true, but women can be the backbone behind many a great man, but can also be the most vicious of people when crossed, hell have no fury line a woman scorned, never has there been spoken a truer termadmitting your shortcomings dosnt mitigate ...vengefulness bloodlust vitriol ..they are among though most insidious of human frailties not strengths

I never calmed to be a strength, I personally see them as a weekness, but when you boldly and on camera admit to the world that you have committed cold blooded murder then you deserve to be punished. Religious beliefs do not give you a ticket to hold yourself above the law. :-I agree therefore isreal has no right to use a 3000 year old divine mandate from a supernatural entity to evict the palestinians frommthere own territory and subsequently persecute there arab neighbours . Nor have the american right the mandate to murder innocent people in iraq iran pakistan yemen etc under the guise of being a christian moral police force . This issue is not seperate from the lee rigby case but central to it and as i said before under the premise of being caught red handed bush blair and obama have murdered far more "

I agree the heads of the nations should be held responsible especially when the public opinion was over ridden for Blair's own public image.

Commuting murder is wrong but not punishing it is worse it sends a message that it is ok the murder or mame just at a whim

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"WOW forums certainly help you suss people out, a mother who would torture her own children, that has to be a first.

? What are you talking about

I read this as if "my child "had committed the murder.

" If it was my child I would enact medevil punishment on them let them be hung, drawn and quartered. If the law is seen as too soft this type of thing will continue "

and what would you want to happen to your child if he or she had committed the killing? because of his or her beliefs."

For one thing if my child believed that murder was ok in any form I would be very disappointed in myself and them, I have taught them better. And I would expect them to be punished. You do the crime you do the time.

I love my children with all my heart and it would kill me to know and have seen them on the tv do such a terrible thing to another human being. But there is no doubt of these men's guilt they admitted it, no one have them the right to take another's life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dya know what?

I hated posting on this, hated that grotesque vision/s - but maybe we can understand what it feels like ourselves - having our homes bombed consistently in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ulster ......... we're all humans & no different, - OR DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK WE ARE?

........If you really do,- don't scream so loud; your sounding ssssoooooooo hypocritical!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dya know what?

........If you really do,- don't scream so loud; your sounding ssssoooooooo hypocritical!!! "

This from the person that advocated killing people in the Brighton hotel bombings

Do you know what hypocrite means

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dya know what?

........If you really do,- don't scream so loud; your sounding ssssoooooooo hypocritical!!! "

Oh we are humans no matter the colour of our skin or religion or sexual preference, I just wish everyone in the world would see it that way and see none are any better than the others then maybe we would all get along

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dya know what?

........If you really do,- don't scream so loud; your sounding ssssoooooooo hypocritical!!!

This from the person that advocated killing people in the Brighton hotel bombings

Do you know what hypocrite means "

Actually I do not advocated any bombing any where in the world.

And I sure as hell do not agree with the Northern Irish factions bombing the GB or Northern Ireland. Take it from someone who has seen the devastation first hand. And kindly do not tar all northern Irish people with the same brush 90% of our population are peace loving and the other 10% as in every nation are the trouble makers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Discussing this is not going to make any difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Discussing this is not going to make any difference."

If people don't discuss things, nothing will ever change, keeping quiet is how atrocities happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Discussing this is not going to make any difference.

If people don't discuss things, nothing will ever change, keeping quiet is how atrocities happen."

On a swingers site yes will make a lot of difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Discussing this is not going to make any difference.

If people don't discuss things, nothing will ever change, keeping quiet is how atrocities happen.

On a swingers site yes will make a lot of difference."

If you have an open mind, you can learn a lot by reading what people say, when you stop learning you die.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Discussing this is not going to make any difference.

If people don't discuss things, nothing will ever change, keeping quiet is how atrocities happen.

On a swingers site yes will make a lot of difference."

I agree, it is just venting and no real harm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dya know what?

........If you really do,- don't scream so loud; your sounding ssssoooooooo hypocritical!!!

This from the person that advocated killing people in the Brighton hotel bombings

Do you know what hypocrite means "

And this from someone who doesn't understand KARMA? ......Oh dear!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Discussing this is not going to make any difference.

If people don't discuss things, nothing will ever change, keeping quiet is how atrocities happen.

On a swingers site yes will make a lot of difference.

If you have an open mind, you can learn a lot by reading what people say, when you stop learning you die."

Not necessary everyone has an opinion but most would not carry them through

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How sad are people who just don't understand that; WHAT YOU GIVE IS WHAT YOU GET!!! ............they're probably greaving .........??????

but quite understand, UNBELIEVABLY - that we're all the same!!

.......only the idiotic could argue??????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1 2many gold watches?

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over a year ago

It is important to debate and contest and to acknowledge everyones opinions ..governments rely on ambivalance and apathy to carry out there atrocities using propagandic tools and stealth to placate and anaethatise the populace ,so swingers site or not lets chew the fat

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Of those accused of killing lee rigby, must be so horrendous for his family.

Ive always advocated bringing back the death penalty in such cases and this just makes my decision a correct one for me.

I realise there will always be those against the death penalty and have their own reasons.

Does this trial make any difference to your stance ??? "

No!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

They were caught doing it.

They were filmed doing it.

They pleaded not guilty.

They have shown no remorse.

They knew what they were doing.

They are not of diminished responsibility.

They should suffer the same fate as their victim.

And if I had my way it would be under the same circumstances as their victim.

Sorry if that offends anyone but it is my opinion.

And you'd do it would you? You'd happily machete two men to death?

Oh the irony!

Many post things like that from safely behind a keyboard, and usually after someone they don't even know has been killed.

"If anyone touched my kids I'd kill them", but once the initial fog of rage has cleared how many people could look into anothers eyes as they kill them.

And if you could how does that make you any different?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not at all

revenge has no place within the law

It is not revenge it is punishment, they knew what they were doing and stood in front of a camera with the blood dripping off the knife, Lees blood and said that they had done it case closed "

Your post before this advocates that they be hung drawnnand quartered. How is that punishment and not revenge?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I don't think they're mentally ill, well, not any more so than anyone else who believes in a fictitious pan dimensional ubiquitous omnipotent super being.

They believe they are soldiers and that their actions are justifiable in the context of prosecuting an armed struggle against an oppressor.

I don't agree with their stance, but that is how they see things

I agree that they "believe" that they are soldiers, but they are not.

No. They drag a wounded insurgent off the path they were on, wait for the helicopters to go away and then shoot him at point blank range bragging about the fact that they broke the Geneva convention.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These scum aren't worth the cost of the rope to hang them. Lock them in a cell and if their god thinks they did his bidding, he will feed and sustain them. Otherwise, jet-wash their stinking carcasses into the sewers a few months later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not at all

revenge has no place within the law

It is not revenge it is punishment, they knew what they were doing and stood in front of a camera with the blood dripping off the knife, Lees blood and said that they had done it case closed

Your post before this advocates that they be hung drawnnand quartered. How is that punishment and not revenge? "

No that is what I would want done if it was my child that had been beheaded and mamed in such a barbaric way

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over a year ago

Think people are straying far from the point. Military doing their job is totally different to these disgusting people why cold blooded killed a man for no reason then stayed Around encouraging people to film their _iews. They are playing the system to get maximum fame. They are proud of what they did and think it's normal behaviours he asked to be deported to his country which by sound of it would reward him and he won't get any punishment or by killed. Why inflict death penalty and do as he asks? He should be made to suffer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

These deluded humans are obviously mentally ill.

They should however be removed from society for ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think people are straying far from the point. Military doing their job is totally different to these disgusting people why cold blooded killed a man for no reason then stayed Around encouraging people to film their _iews. They are playing the system to get maximum fame. They are proud of what they did and think it's normal behaviours he asked to be deported to his country which by sound of it would reward him and he won't get any punishment or by killed. Why inflict death penalty and do as he asks? He should be made to suffer. "

and that is exactly what the soldier described above did.

shot an injured man then bragged about it.

rightly or wrongly, shit like this happens when there are conflicts, just look at some of the shit that went down in vietnam.

i beleive in punishment, someone is suggesting they will not be, well imprisonment is punishment.

how is not hanging them from the branch of the nearest tree NOT punishing them?

i thought i was living in 2014 not 1614.

lock them up and throw away the key.

put them in separate prisons and let them fend for themselves like every other prisoner does, no special treatment or protection, and let their god have mercy on them, because you know others wont be so forgiving.

oh, and the base for all of the crap that is in the world just now is American foreign policy.

it was in the 80's and it still is now

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

A bullet for each, simple, cheap and job done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

These deluded humans are obviously mentally ill.

They should however be removed from society for ever."

Branding these brutal disgusting idiots mentally Ill is an insult to people who are genuinely mentally ill. They are not ill the are deluded idiots who were brought up in country where it's acceptable to kill random innocent people because u disagree with the government

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"A bullet for each, simple, cheap and job done."

Ex-Royal Marine Blackman thought that too.

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

True, i'm not saying it is legal or morally correct but sometimes the world has gone PC mad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A bullet for each, simple, cheap and job done."

Agreed!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have always been behind the death penalty, but only for the right crimes. In my opinion this is one of those crimes.

This was premedated, the people went out with the purpose to kill a squaddie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They'll get a tag and 120 hours of community service if history has told us anything about the state of our punishment system, some person who writes the law will still think they can be 'rehabilitated', and prison would breach their human rights wouldn't it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They'll get a tag and 120 hours of community service if history has told us anything about the state of our punishment system, some person who writes the law will still think they can be 'rehabilitated', and prison would breach their human rights wouldn't it"

dont talk absolute nonsense.

they will get a stiff penalty of incarceration, if not life, on an open ended tariff.

they will have to prove they are no longer a danger to society before they are released, which they wont because their beliefs wont change, so i firmly expect these men to spend the rest of their natural life behind bars.

not allowing them their place in heaven, giving them their reward for serving Islam in the way they have decided to.

a bullet isnt the answer, and neither is the misguided thought they will be released easily.

this place has opened our eyes sexually, it also opens them very much socially too.

no wonder there is still so much hatred on our streets

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say hand them over to the squad Lee Rigby was attached too and let them carry out the punishment.

This was an act of war do let it be dealt as such.

The marine who has been found guilty of unlawfully killing an insurgent is shocking!!!

We are at war! People die in war.

As for the death penalty in the UK....

From someone who works in the criminal justice system I believe that it should be brought back.

Prisons are over crowded with persons who would fit the criteria and have been found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

Reoffending of schedule 1 offenders (the most violent, murderers, rape and sexual offenders) is at an all time high and these people are living in society today.

It may sound barbaric but look at the offending of countries with the death penalty for these crimes.

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over a year ago

"i dont even understand the killers not guilty plea.

The plea is not recognising the charge of murder as they believe the killing to be an act of war rather than a denial of actually killing him

thank you for clearing that up, i didnt actually think of that.

saying that, under the Geneva convention, they are still guilty of murder, or does that not apply to the current problems we are having?

So was the soldier who killed the unarmed insurgent in Afghanistan, although the opinions on his sentence has been slightly different on most sites.

absolutely agree.

guilty of murder too"

And if you listen to some on here he should be hung too?

The death penalty belongs where it is, in our past.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd say hand them over to the squad Lee Rigby was attached too and let them carry out the punishment.

This was an act of war do let it be dealt as such.

The marine who has been found guilty of unlawfully killing an insurgent is shocking!!!

We are at war! People die in war.

As for the death penalty in the UK....

From someone who works in the criminal justice system I believe that it should be brought back.

Prisons are over crowded with persons who would fit the criteria and have been found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

Reoffending of schedule 1 offenders (the most violent, murderers, rape and sexual offenders) is at an all time high and these people are living in society today.

It may sound barbaric but look at the offending of countries with the death penalty for these crimes.

so you suggest handing the marine that killed the insurgents over to them too?

one rule for us, one for them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd say hand them over to the squad Lee Rigby was attached too and let them carry out the punishment.

This was an act of war do let it be dealt as such.

The marine who has been found guilty of unlawfully killing an insurgent is shocking!!!

We are at war! People die in war.

As for the death penalty in the UK....

From someone who works in the criminal justice system I believe that it should be brought back.

Prisons are over crowded with persons who would fit the criteria and have been found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

Reoffending of schedule 1 offenders (the most violent, murderers, rape and sexual offenders) is at an all time high and these people are living in society today.

It may sound barbaric but look at the offending of countries with the death penalty for these crimes.

so you suggest handing the marine that killed the insurgents over to them too?

one rule for us, one for them?"

Don't you think that's what happens to our soldiers if they are captured??? Do you think they get a fair trial??? I'd say it's very naive of you if that is the case

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marine convicted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung."

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Curtains are hung, humans are hanged.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

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You can not have one law for Muslim's committing murder in this country and one gor our service personnel committing the sane offence. Both were premeditated and both callous. If you are saying Lee Rigby's murderers should be hung then by the sane argument the marine should also be hung.

You can not pick and choose who receives capital punishment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't you think that's what happens to our soldiers if they are captured??? Do you think they get a fair trial??? I'd say it's very naive of you if that is the case"

i dont suggest one thing or another happens to anyone anywhere.

however, what you are suggesting has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with revenge.

and revenge has nothing to do with punishing horrible crimes that happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As an advocate of the return of the death penalty, this case strengthens my resolve.

The bastard wants to be a martyr and hide behind his religious fanaticism... I would gladly help him towards his forty virgins... He'll be forgotten old news tomorrow...

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over a year ago

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marine convicted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung.

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job? "

DOING HIS JOB!!!!!???

our kid was in the forces.

dont think it was in his terms to shoot an unarmed man in the back of his head down a back alley.

and you really work in the justice system?

we really are fucked then

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marine convicted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung.

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job? "

What are you talking about, "doing his job"? Shooting and unarmed wounded combatant, who posed no threat us not doing his job. It is a breach of both military law and the Geneva convention. FFS they actually moved the injured man under cover so he could be executed without witnesses. That is not a soldiers "job".

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marine convicted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung.

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job?

DOING HIS JOB!!!!!???

our kid was in the forces.

dont think it was in his terms to shoot an unarmed man in the back of his head down a back alley.

and you really work in the justice system?

we really are fucked then"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marine convicted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung.

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job?

If that RM didn't kill that enemy soldier, how many of our soldiers do you think he would have killed by now???

A soldiers job in my eyes is to eliminate threats to save those from it. I'd say job well done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marine convicted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung.

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marine convicted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung.

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job?

If that RM didn't kill that enemy soldier, how many of our soldiers do you think he would have killed by now???

A soldiers job in my eyes is to eliminate threats to save those from it. I'd say job well done"

in which case, i hope you are polishing all your nazi memorabillia as you must be holding them up in such high regard.

thats what they did in the big wars,you know. eliminated people htey saw as a threat to their aerean utopia.

the insurgent should have been detained and taken as a POW as per the convention, NOT executed in the field in a cowardly act.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marine convicted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung.

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job?

If that RM didn't kill that enemy soldier, how many of our soldiers do you think he would have killed by now???

A soldiers job in my eyes is to eliminate threats to save those from it. I'd say job well done"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marine convicted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung.

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job?

If that RM didn't kill that enemy soldier, how many of our soldiers do you think he would have killed by now???

A soldiers job in my eyes is to eliminate threats to save those from it. I'd say job well done

in which case, i hope you are polishing all your nazi memorabillia as you must be holding them up in such high regard.

thats what they did in the big wars,you know. eliminated people htey saw as a threat to their aerean utopia.

the insurgent should have been detained and taken as a POW as per the convention, NOT executed in the field in a cowardly act."

So because I believe that we shouldn't be punishing our own soldiers for taking out someone that had been trying to kill them I'm a Nazi???

Well if that's your thought process I can see why you are responding the way you are.

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over a year ago

So because I believe that we shouldn't be punishing our own soldiers for taking out someone that had been trying to kill them I'm a Nazi???

Well if that's your thought process I can see why you are responding the way you are. "

no, im saying because you are supporting the cold blooded murder of someone that should have been a POW, and treated as such, then you are no better than the bullshit ideology they prepetrated all those years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and all this from a man from the country they let a cold blooded killer free to go home, in the interests of compassion, to live out the last few months of his life, and where the man is now treated as a national treasure.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"I'd say hand them over to the squad Lee Rigby was attached too and let them carry out the punishment.

This was an act of war do let it be dealt as such.

The marine who has been found guilty of unlawfully killing an insurgent is shocking!!!

We are at war! People die in war.

As for the death penalty in the UK....

From someone who works in the criminal justice system I believe that it should be brought back.

Prisons are over crowded with persons who would fit the criteria and have been found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

Reoffending of schedule 1 offenders (the most violent, murderers, rape and sexual offenders) is at an all time high and these people are living in society today.

It may sound barbaric but look at the offending of countries with the death penalty for these crimes.

Like America,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and all this from a man from the country they let a cold blooded killer free to go home, in the interests of compassion, to live out the last few months of his life, and where the man is now treated as a national treasure."

Hahahahaha how very pre judgemental. Like I said war is war. And I hope you never have to see the real ugly side of society and war in it's most ugly form. That RM made that decision to eliminate that threat there and then.

As regards to the Lockerbie bombing, a political decision is not the decision of a single man. If your making reference that it was only the scottish government that ok'd his release then again I'm afraid you are highlighting your naive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd say hand them over to the squad Lee Rigby was attached too and let them carry out the punishment.

This was an act of war do let it be dealt as such.

The marine who has been found guilty of unlawfully killing an insurgent is shocking!!!

We are at war! People die in war.

As for the death penalty in the UK....

From someone who works in the criminal justice system I believe that it should be brought back.

Prisons are over crowded with persons who would fit the criteria and have been found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

Reoffending of schedule 1 offenders (the most violent, murderers, rape and sexual offenders) is at an all time high and these people are living in society today.

It may sound barbaric but look at the offending of countries with the death penalty for these crimes.

Like America,"

States in America with the death penalty have low offending rates for these crimes.

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over a year ago

I (f) that the death penalty should be brought back but only be used with the lowest of the low that have committed the worst and most depraved crimes anyone can think of as personally I dont think they deserve to be kept at her majesty's pleasure where they are warm and fed three times a day with snacks and able to earn luxuries that some people can only hope for, but in this case the death penalty would make them hero's in their religious leaders eyes and they are unworthy of that title, they wanted their day in court so they could brag and boast about the horrific way they committed the act of murder, let the prison population take care of them in the worst ways possible but then they will be put on rule 43 and therefore protected so really in essence how do you punish them

Its that good old double edged sword again!

RIP Lee Rigby

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over a year ago

and his decision has been correctly judged as wrong.

ike the men in questions decision to step in and eliminate the potential threat, to their countrymen, of the soldier Lee Rigby.

do you not see the similarities in the cases?

how many insurgents do you reckon Lee could have killed had he gone on to serve in active duty?

5? 10? 15? so, in your own words, they have done no more than the RM 'chose' to do, hidden in a back street, out of the way of prying eyes, so he knew his actions were incorrect.

at least these pair of horrible individuals, did it in full _iew of people, and didnt need to hide their actions.

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and his decision has been correctly judged as wrong.

ike the men in questions decision to step in and eliminate the potential threat, to their countrymen, of the soldier Lee Rigby.

do you not see the similarities in the cases?

how many insurgents do you reckon Lee could have killed had he gone on to serve in active duty?

5? 10? 15? so, in your own words, they have done no more than the RM 'chose' to do, hidden in a back street, out of the way of prying eyes, so he knew his actions were incorrect.

at least these pair of horrible individuals, did it in full _iew of people, and didnt need to hide their actions."

You said your son was in the forces... How many did he kill???

He was doing his job, he is a soldier and to that and your son I am eternally grateful!

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over a year ago

and his decision has been correctly judged as wrong.

ike the men in questions decision to step in and eliminate the potential threat, to their countrymen, of the soldier Lee Rigby.

do you not see the similarities in the cases?

how many insurgents do you reckon Lee could have killed had he gone on to serve in active duty?

5? 10? 15? so, in your own words, they have done no more than the RM 'chose' to do, hidden in a back street, out of the way of prying eyes, so he knew his actions were incorrect.

at least these pair of horrible individuals, did it in full _iew of people, and didnt need to hide their actions.

You said your son was in the forces... How many did he kill???

He was doing his job, he is a soldier and to that and your son I am eternally grateful! "

brother and none.

he thankfully never went out.

and he still wasnt carrying out his duty.

he killed an unarmed man in a back alley.

IF the insurgent was still fighting then i would be on your side on that subject, but by all accounts he was too badly injured to put up a fight

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"I'd say hand them over to the squad Lee Rigby was attached too and let them carry out the punishment.

This was an act of war do let it be dealt as such.

The marine who has been found guilty of unlawfully killing an insurgent is shocking!!!

We are at war! People die in war.

As for the death penalty in the UK....

From someone who works in the criminal justice system I believe that it should be brought back.

Prisons are over crowded with persons who would fit the criteria and have been found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

Reoffending of schedule 1 offenders (the most violent, murderers, rape and sexual offenders) is at an all time high and these people are living in society today.

It may sound barbaric but look at the offending of countries with the death penalty for these crimes.

Like America,

States in America with the death penalty have low offending rates for these crimes. "

You probably meant re-offending.

But I excuse your ignorance.

http://m.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/234

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and his decision has been correctly judged as wrong.

ike the men in questions decision to step in and eliminate the potential threat, to their countrymen, of the soldier Lee Rigby.

do you not see the similarities in the cases?

how many insurgents do you reckon Lee could have killed had he gone on to serve in active duty?

5? 10? 15? so, in your own words, they have done no more than the RM 'chose' to do, hidden in a back street, out of the way of prying eyes, so he knew his actions were incorrect.

at least these pair of horrible individuals, did it in full _iew of people, and didnt need to hide their actions.

You said your son was in the forces... How many did he kill???

He was doing his job, he is a soldier and to that and your son I am eternally grateful!

brother and none.

he thankfully never went out.

and he still wasnt carrying out his duty.

he killed an unarmed man in a back alley.

IF the insurgent was still fighting then i would be on your side on that subject, but by all accounts he was too badly injured to put up a fight"

If he was badly injured he did him a favour putting him out of his misery and killed him quickly and humanely.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

and his decision has been correctly judged as wrong.

ike the men in questions decision to step in and eliminate the potential threat, to their countrymen, of the soldier Lee Rigby.

do you not see the similarities in the cases?

how many insurgents do you reckon Lee could have killed had he gone on to serve in active duty?

5? 10? 15? so, in your own words, they have done no more than the RM 'chose' to do, hidden in a back street, out of the way of prying eyes, so he knew his actions were incorrect.

at least these pair of horrible individuals, did it in full _iew of people, and didnt need to hide their actions.

You said your son was in the forces... How many did he kill???

He was doing his job, he is a soldier and to that and your son I am eternally grateful!

brother and none.

he thankfully never went out.

and he still wasnt carrying out his duty.

he killed an unarmed man in a back alley.

IF the insurgent was still fighting then i would be on your side on that subject, but by all accounts he was too badly injured to put up a fight

If he was badly injured he did him a favour putting him out of his misery and killed him quickly and humanely."

Ok maybe do the same for car accidents and hospitals.

Bit like the vets

Just put people out there misery

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........

IF the insurgent was still fighting then i would be on your side on that subject, but by all accounts he was too badly injured to put up a fight

If he was badly injured he did him a favour putting him out of his misery and killed him quickly and humanely."

Not their call to make.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and his decision has been correctly judged as wrong.

ike the men in questions decision to step in and eliminate the potential threat, to their countrymen, of the soldier Lee Rigby.

do you not see the similarities in the cases?

how many insurgents do you reckon Lee could have killed had he gone on to serve in active duty?

5? 10? 15? so, in your own words, they have done no more than the RM 'chose' to do, hidden in a back street, out of the way of prying eyes, so he knew his actions were incorrect.

at least these pair of horrible individuals, did it in full _iew of people, and didnt need to hide their actions.

You said your son was in the forces... How many did he kill???

He was doing his job, he is a soldier and to that and your son I am eternally grateful!

brother and none.

he thankfully never went out.

and he still wasnt carrying out his duty.

he killed an unarmed man in a back alley.

IF the insurgent was still fighting then i would be on your side on that subject, but by all accounts he was too badly injured to put up a fight

If he was badly injured he did him a favour putting him out of his misery and killed him quickly and humanely.

Ok maybe do the same for car accidents and hospitals.

Bit like the vets

Just put people out there misery "

Not quite the same thing, is it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and his decision has been correctly judged as wrong.

ike the men in questions decision to step in and eliminate the potential threat, to their countrymen, of the soldier Lee Rigby.

do you not see the similarities in the cases?

how many insurgents do you reckon Lee could have killed had he gone on to serve in active duty?

5? 10? 15? so, in your own words, they have done no more than the RM 'chose' to do, hidden in a back street, out of the way of prying eyes, so he knew his actions were incorrect.

at least these pair of horrible individuals, did it in full _iew of people, and didnt need to hide their actions.

You said your son was in the forces... How many did he kill???

He was doing his job, he is a soldier and to that and your son I am eternally grateful!

brother and none.

he thankfully never went out.

and he still wasnt carrying out his duty.

he killed an unarmed man in a back alley.

IF the insurgent was still fighting then i would be on your side on that subject, but by all accounts he was too badly injured to put up a fight

If he was badly injured he did him a favour putting him out of his misery and killed him quickly and humanely.

Ok maybe do the same for car accidents and hospitals.

Bit like the vets

Just put people out there misery

Not quite the same thing, is it.

yes

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over a year ago

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marincted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung.

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job?

If that RM didn't kill that enemy soldier, how many of our soldiers do you think he would have killed by now???

A soldiers job in my eyes is to eliminate threats to save those from it. I'd say job well done"

So you're happy to excuse any crimes committed during conflict then? Out of some idiotic _iew of what a soldier's job is.

Part of a british servicemans job is to uphold the Geneva convention, and lead by example. Because after that trial, all trainee insurgents are now being told that we execute our POWs.

Just because there was a war on it doesn't excuse all behaviour.

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"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marincted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung.

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job?

If that RM didn't kill that enemy soldier, how many of our soldiers do you think he would have killed by now???

A soldiers job in my eyes is to eliminate threats to save those from it. I'd say job well done

So you're happy to excuse any crimes committed during conflict then? Out of some idiotic _iew of what a soldier's job is.

Part of a british servicemans job is to uphold the Geneva convention, and lead by example. Because after that trial, all trainee insurgents are now being told that we execute our POWs.

Just because there was a war on it doesn't excuse all behaviour."

No your absolutely right it doesn't , which is why he's in jail . But who cares about the rights of a scum Taliban bastard like that anyway .

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over a year ago

I not seen much of it. But they did say they army part of the army of god and this is war. Well they are not in uniform and they are hiding among civilians so they can be seen as spies or saboteurs and not as prisoner of war.

Under the Geneva convention spies can be executed at the end of a trial.

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over a year ago

"Nope! if proven beyond a doubt Hang the Buggers

By that argument the marincted of murdering the enemy combatant should also be hung.

As I said if that marine was captured, he would be brutally tortured and murdered. Why are we as a nation persecuting the man for doing his own job?

If that RM didn't kill that enemy soldier, how many of our soldiers do you think he would have killed by now???

A soldiers job in my eyes is to eliminate threats to save those from it. I'd say job well done

So you're happy to excuse any crimes committed during conflict then? Out of some idiotic _iew of what a soldier's job is.

Part of a british servicemans job is to uphold the Geneva convention, and lead by example. Because after that trial, all trainee insurgents are now being told that we execute our POWs.

Just because there was a war on it doesn't excuse all behaviour.

No your absolutely right it doesn't , which is why he's in jail . But who cares about the rights of a scum Taliban bastard like that anyway . "

People who believe in the rule of law?

The scum Taliban probably doesn't want his land occupied....and the sooner our soldiers let them deal with their problems the better.

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over a year ago

"I not seen much of it. But they did say they army part of the army of god and this is war. Well they are not in uniform and they are hiding among civilians so they can be seen as spies or saboteurs and not as prisoner of war.

Under the Geneva convention spies can be executed at the end of a trial.

That's a shitty defence...it was a crazy and cowardly act. If they thought it was a war, they would have to publicly declare it, and as you say, not hide amongst civilians.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

Answer to OP no

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