FabSwingers.com forum: "gym fit"

By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Is this expression bugging anyone else?

I can't quite put my finger on why it bothers me. What's wrong with saying "toned" though? That seems to be what it's intended to mean most of the time.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you can be gym fit and not be toned (with out the muscles on show all the time). I think a lot of people put it on to say they aren't a bbm ( big beautiful man)

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Probably because to gym people, the word 'toned' doesn't exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe they mean they want someone who is fit in body and strength

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

not really, big fat flubber dubber would bug me more.

i go to the gym but am in no way gym fit.....gym fit for me would be someone like Jodie Marsh when she was doing her body building. I'll never look like that.

I just see it a s a term used to find the look they want. It would be silly saying 'i like girls that go to the gym', when they mean they like slim/athletic girls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like it. More descriptive and accurate than athletic.

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By *ackandkateCouple
over a year ago

Truro

I'm cafe fat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What do you mean by toned? Is it between gym fit muscular and slim or something?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe there looking for a meet with someone who has a similar hobby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gym fit basically implies to me that someone works out, will probably be slim and have plenty of muscle tone, 'toned' to me sounds like more of a buzz word.

And PandH80s that is a ridiculously hot avatar x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe it is just a polite way of saying 'not overweight' ?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't even really know what it means. I do like a man to be fit from his work like Mr N who has really good shoulders and arms from what he used to do or from a sport.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sofa fit. Is that sexy?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I'm cafe fat"

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Actually this evening I'm fit for nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gym fit basically implies to me that someone works out, will probably be slim and have plenty of muscle tone, 'toned' to me sounds like more of a buzz word.

And PandH80s that is a ridiculously hot avatar x"

Why thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm fit for the gym; - any other fit-gym's out there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm photoshop handsome

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

The problem, I think, is the ambiguity.

Not all fit people are slim. Not all people who go to the gym are slim and toned.

Using "gym fit" to say "slim and with tone" suggests that anyone who isn't slim with muscle tone doesn't go to the gym and isn't fit.

I'm tired. That's a crap way to explain what's bothering me about it. I can't put it into words.

Something about equating "slim and toned" with "gym fit" is niggling me.

People wanting/talking about gym fit people are wanting/talking about a particular body type, not meaning someone who is fit and goes to the gym.

It's frustrating me beyond belief I can't express this!!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

i wouldnt over think it VV, it will become like BBW, it will have many meanings, some will like it, some wont, some will argue that some people shouldnt use it for whatever reason

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I think you can be gym fit and not be toned (with out the muscles on show all the time). I think a lot of people put it on to say they aren't a bbm ( big beautiful man)"

People asking for gym fit people usually are wanting toned people though. That's kind of my issue. It's like saying unless you look like a fitness model you aren't fit.

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By *enny the lip lickerMan
over a year ago

bath bristol

I am cafe fat too x

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"i wouldnt over think it VV, it will become like BBW, it will have many meanings, some will like it, some wont, some will argue that some people shouldnt use it for whatever reason"

I'd rather people were clear. If they want someone who is fit and goes to the gym, great. But if they want someone with a slim toned physique then that's what they should say.

As already pointed out, you can be fit and go to the gym without being slim and toned.

And just because you aren't slim and toned doesn't mean you are unfit or a couch potato.

You know?

I hope someone bloody knows because I can't even clarify it in my own head, let alone put it into words.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

i just know if someone wants gym fit they dont want me even though i go to the gym and run etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems clearer to me than the vast definition of BBW.

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Gym fit basically implies to me that someone works out, will probably be slim and have plenty of muscle tone, 'toned' to me sounds like more of a buzz word.

And PandH80s that is a ridiculously hot avatar x"

Yeah... I get that this is what is meant by it but all sorts of people go to the gym and work out. Not all of them are slim with muscle tone.

It's kind like saying "I'm looking for a black guy" when what you actually mean is "I want someone with a big cock". It's ambiguous and misleading because as we know, not all black guys have big cocks and not all big cocks are attached to black guys.

Someone could be slim with muscle tone without having ever set foot in a gym or lifted a dumbell. Someone could train every day and be overweight.

Say what you mean people! lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I go gym a lot mainly running etc not toned but fit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think "gym fit" means "not only am I fit, but I got there through considerable effort and expense, so extra kudos to me."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Difference between attending a gym and being fit and attending a gym.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone could be slim with muscle tone without having ever set foot in a gym or lifted a dumbell."

Lucky gets

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"i just know if someone wants gym fit they dont want me even though i go to the gym and run etc"

Yes... that's kind of it. They don't want what they are asking for. And it's kind of disrespectful? rude? insulting? I dunno, something, to suggest only those that are slim with muscle tone work out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought everyone knew Gym Fit, he works down the local chippie

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Someone could be slim with muscle tone without having ever set foot in a gym or lifted a dumbell.

Lucky gets

Fucking tell me about it. I only have to look at a cake and I gain another kilo of body fat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm fit to drop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just know if someone wants gym fit they dont want me even though i go to the gym and run etc

Yes... that's kind of it. They don't want what they are asking for. And it's kind of disrespectful? rude? insulting? I dunno, something, to suggest only those that are slim with muscle tone work out."

Can't really see your point. If they ask for 'gym fit' and you're not fit and regularly working out at a gym or similar - they don't mean you. What could be clearer?

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Difference between attending a gym and being fit and attending a gym."

You can be fit but not slim though.

I know an aerobics instructor who teaches several times a week and trains every day and is a size 18.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone could be slim with muscle tone without having ever set foot in a gym or lifted a dumbell.

Lucky gets

Fucking tell me about it. I only have to look at a cake and I gain another kilo of body fat. "

I envy them simply because I wonder, if they look that good WITHOUT training, what would they look like if they did?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I knew somebody that was over 20 stone and played sport everyday. He still wasn't fit and eventually had to have a gastric band fitted.

Some people can do more while being fat but it doesn't make them 'fit' as in in ideal shape and fitness.

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"i just know if someone wants gym fit they dont want me even though i go to the gym and run etc

Yes... that's kind of it. They don't want what they are asking for. And it's kind of disrespectful? rude? insulting? I dunno, something, to suggest only those that are slim with muscle tone work out.

Can't really see your point. If they ask for 'gym fit' and you're not fit and regularly working out at a gym or similar - they don't mean you. What could be clearer?"

What if you are fit and regularly go to the gym though, but don't happen to have a slim physique with muscle tone?

For a male equivalent here - power lifters. They are fit and incredibly strong but most don't look toned because having low body fat doesn't matter to them. They train for strength and endurance not physique.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would think they mean they want to meet someone slim, toned and gorgeous.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest and I don't think it's disrespectful either.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

i'm defecting to VV's side now (not that that is a bad thing)

is being fit defined by a shape or the ability to carry out exercise at a certain level?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Difference between attending a gym and being fit and attending a gym."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i just know if someone wants gym fit they dont want me even though i go to the gym and run etc

Yes... that's kind of it. They don't want what they are asking for. And it's kind of disrespectful? rude? insulting? I dunno, something, to suggest only those that are slim with muscle tone work out.

Can't really see your point. If they ask for 'gym fit' and you're not fit and regularly working out at a gym or similar - they don't mean you. What could be clearer?

What if you are fit and regularly go to the gym though, but don't happen to have a slim physique with muscle tone?

But there is nothing to say they aren't the type of person that they are looking for. I think you are reading between the lines and could maybe be getting it wrong at times. I know where your coming from and it isn't the best way to describe the type of person that they want to meet but the same goes for people that have only looking for bbw for example. Some might think a bbw is size 16 where others could say 28+. It all comes down to individual perception.

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"i'm defecting to VV's side now (not that that is a bad thing)

is being fit defined by a shape or the ability to carry out exercise at a certain level?"

Yep, that's at least part of what's bothering me.

"Gym fit" means a look whereas fitness isn't a visual thing.

It's like the look is the most important part but calling it fitness to appear less shallow or something.

If you want a particular look, say so, it's fine.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Is this expression bugging anyone else?

I can't quite put my finger on why it bothers me. What's wrong with saying "toned" though? That seems to be what it's intended to mean most of the time. "

No, it doesn't. We are here to attract/seek playmates sexually attractive to us. How others wish to describe their playmates doesn't bug me at all and I struggle to see why it would others...if not no disrespect is shown.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"not really, big fat flubber dubber would bug me more.

i go to the gym but am in no way gym fit.....gym fit for me would be someone like Jodie Marsh when she was doing her body building. I'll never look like that.

I just see it a s a term used to find the look they want. It would be silly saying 'i like girls that go to the gym', when they mean they like slim/athletic girls. "

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"i just know if someone wants gym fit they dont want me even though i go to the gym and run etc

Yes... that's kind of it. They don't want what they are asking for. And it's kind of disrespectful? rude? insulting? I dunno, something, to suggest only those that are slim with muscle tone work out.

Can't really see your point. If they ask for 'gym fit' and you're not fit and regularly working out at a gym or similar - they don't mean you. What could be clearer?

What if you are fit and regularly go to the gym though, but don't happen to have a slim physique with muscle tone?

I hate the term BBW though and criticise that too. I'd certainly never describe myself that way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you think you fit the criteria and fancy them then ask.

Personally I've played high level sport all my life and am much fitter than most people I know of a similar age. But I'm nothing like 'gym fit' and wouldn't ever claim to be.

I think it's clear to everyone else too what's expected and I can't really understand the issue given that seemingly anyone can call themselves BBW with no dispute.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gym fit basically implies to me that someone works out, will probably be slim and have plenty of muscle tone, 'toned' to me sounds like more of a buzz word.

And PandH80s that is a ridiculously hot avatar x

Yeah... I get that this is what is meant by it but all sorts of people go to the gym and work out. Not all of them are slim with muscle tone.

Someone could be slim with muscle tone without having ever set foot in a gym or lifted a dumbell. Someone could train every day and be overweight.

Say what you mean people! lol"

How do you know that isn't exactly what they mean? You are making assumptions about what others mean....and just for the record you are way off the mark regarding preferences for black guys.......but we will leave that for another thread.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Much-a-do over nothing, really.

I mean, it's your own profile/post so who cares what others think????

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"If you think you fit the criteria and fancy them then ask.

Personally I've played high level sport all my life and am much fitter than most people I know of a similar age. But I'm nothing like 'gym fit' and wouldn't ever claim to be.

I think it's clear to everyone else too what's expected and I can't really understand the issue given that seemingly anyone can call themselves BBW with no dispute."

oh there's plenty of dispute

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you think you fit the criteria and fancy them then ask.

Personally I've played high level sport all my life and am much fitter than most people I know of a similar age. But I'm nothing like 'gym fit' and wouldn't ever claim to be.

I think it's clear to everyone else too what's expected and I can't really understand the issue given that seemingly anyone can call themselves BBW with no dispute.

oh there's plenty of dispute"

Well yes, as I said earlier at least 'gym fit' is clear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We describe ourselves as we want to be seen.

If I saw Gym Fit on a profile, it paints a picture of someone

who uses the gym regularly

will put their gym session before family, and fun.

narcissistic

So an ideal person for swinging and uncomplicated sex.

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Is this expression bugging anyone else?

I can't quite put my finger on why it bothers me. What's wrong with saying "toned" though? That seems to be what it's intended to mean most of the time.

So what does it mean then?

Sexybrain already said someone who works out, who is slim and with muscle tone.

People who use the term aren't usually looking for fit people, they are wanting a specific body type.

That body type may be created in gyms but not every regular gym user will have that body type.

This isn't a personal rant because I'm excluded. It's more about using "fit" to describe a particular body type, as though only slim and toned is fit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We describe ourselves as we want to be seen.

If I saw Gym Fit on a profile, it paints a picture of someone

who uses the gym regularly

will put their gym session before family, and fun.

narcissistic

So an ideal person for swinging and uncomplicated sex.

That reminds me of a discussion at a nudist beach about the extremes between the really buff and the really big with not much between.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And in answer to your original question. No it doesn't bug me at all. I just wish I was.....

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I would think they mean they want to meet someone slim, toned and gorgeous.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest and I don't think it's disrespectful either. "

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"If you think you fit the criteria and fancy them then ask.

Personally I've played high level sport all my life and am much fitter than most people I know of a similar age. But I'm nothing like 'gym fit' and wouldn't ever claim to be.

I think it's clear to everyone else too what's expected and I can't really understand the issue given that seemingly anyone can call themselves BBW with no dispute.

oh there's plenty of dispute

Well yes, as I said earlier at least 'gym fit' is clear."

No, it's not clear. That's my problem with it.

Like Evie said, is it about going to the gym regularly and being able to perform physical tasks at a certain level or is it about a look?

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

I just think roid monkey, the sort of person who wakes up at 6am, takes 3-4 protein and whey supplements and then goes to the gym for an hour before and after work.

someone who carb counts every single carb to go near them and the closest to a fun meal out they have ever had is Nando's !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this expression bugging anyone else?

I can't quite put my finger on why it bothers me. What's wrong with saying "toned" though? That seems to be what it's intended to mean most of the time.

So what does it mean then?

Sexybrain already said someone who works out, who is slim and with muscle tone.

People who use the term aren't usually looking for fit people, they are wanting a specific body type.

That body type may be created in gyms but not every regular gym user will have that body type.

This isn't a personal rant because I'm excluded. It's more about using "fit" to describe a particular body type, as though only slim and toned is fit."

Ah but don't forget the slang 'fit' as in sexually attractive, 'gym fit' could be used to describe someone who uses physical fitness as means of attaining/enhancing their sexiness?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's only not clear to you, and even then in truth it probably is.

Are you really arsed about somebody's recovery rate? Although now I say that perhaps that is a useful thing to know...

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

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I think it just means someone who goes to the gym and is fit

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"We describe ourselves as we want to be seen.

If I saw Gym Fit on a profile, it paints a picture of someone

who uses the gym regularly

will put their gym session before family, and fun.

narcissistic

So an ideal person for swinging and uncomplicated sex.

lol You're just a tart!

Any man willing to deliver himself into your clutches is an ideal candidate for uncomplicated sex!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see where the op is coming from as she is saying the word 'fit' could encompass not just slim people but the person in question was infact looking for slim toned women and she is saying why didnt he just say that instead? Is that right? And that she finds it annoying as he was dismissing the point that you can be bigger and fit.

In any sense he wanted a slim bird which is fair enough but then people started having a pop and went the same way these types of threads always goes, why people can't just enjoy themselves and say I lile this this and this without having to slate this this and this is beyond me.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

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"Is this expression bugging anyone else?

I can't quite put my finger on why it bothers me. What's wrong with saying "toned" though? That seems to be what it's intended to mean most of the time.

So what does it mean then?

Sexybrain already said someone who works out, who is slim and with muscle tone.

People who use the term aren't usually looking for fit people, they are wanting a specific body type.

That body type may be created in gyms but not every regular gym user will have that body type.

This isn't a personal rant because I'm excluded. It's more about using "fit" to describe a particular body type, as though only slim and toned is fit.

Ah but don't forget the slang 'fit' as in sexually attractive, 'gym fit' could be used to describe someone who uses physical fitness as means of attaining/enhancing their sexiness?"

Like looking in the mirror and training at the same time?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this expression bugging anyone else?

I can't quite put my finger on why it bothers me. What's wrong with saying "toned" though? That seems to be what it's intended to mean most of the time.

So what does it mean then?

Sexybrain already said someone who works out, who is slim and with muscle tone.

People who use the term aren't usually looking for fit people, they are wanting a specific body type.

That body type may be created in gyms but not every regular gym user will have that body type.

This isn't a personal rant because I'm excluded. It's more about using "fit" to describe a particular body type, as though only slim and toned is fit.

Ah but don't forget the slang 'fit' as in sexually attractive, 'gym fit' could be used to describe someone who uses physical fitness as means of attaining/enhancing their sexiness?

Like looking in the mirror and training at the same time?"

Its difficult to concentrate when training hard as it is, I don't think simultaneously reading a tabloid would help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I see where the op is coming from as she is saying the word 'fit' could encompass not just slim people but the person in question was infact looking for slim toned women and she is saying why didnt he just say that instead? Is that right? And that she finds it annoying as he was dismissing the point that you can be bigger and fit.

Because its nearly midnight and there's nothing better to do. Why people are ever bothered by what's said on here is beyond me.

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I think it's only not clear to you, and even then in truth it probably is.

Are you really arsed about somebody's recovery rate? Although now I say that perhaps that is a useful thing to know..."

You really can't see that it's possible to be fit and not slim with muscle tone, or to be slim without being fit?

People asking for gym fit are wanting a specific body type, not fitness.

People with that body type may be fit, they are probably more likely to be fit BUT it's not the fitness that's wanted, it's the look.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every single term used to describe someone will be understood differently by different people.

"Tall" = 6ft? 7ft? Anyone taller than me??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because its nearly midnight and there's nothing better to do. Why people are ever bothered by what's said on here is beyond me. "

Im a night owl it passes the time

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Is this expression bugging anyone else?

I can't quite put my finger on why it bothers me. What's wrong with saying "toned" though? That seems to be what it's intended to mean most of the time.

So what does it mean then?

Sexybrain already said someone who works out, who is slim and with muscle tone.

People who use the term aren't usually looking for fit people, they are wanting a specific body type.

That body type may be created in gyms but not every regular gym user will have that body type.

This isn't a personal rant because I'm excluded. It's more about using "fit" to describe a particular body type, as though only slim and toned is fit."

I don't care what it means as it doesn't mean me! My life won't be long enough to analyse in any depth what people mean.

Athletic, gym fit, toned on profiles are another filter: no fatties please ie NOT me! I mean, honestly, what more do I need to know?!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's only not clear to you, and even then in truth it probably is.

Are you really arsed about somebody's recovery rate? Although now I say that perhaps that is a useful thing to know...

You really can't see that it's possible to be fit and not slim with muscle tone, or to be slim without being fit?

People asking for gym fit are wanting a specific body type, not fitness.

People with that body type may be fit, they are probably more likely to be fit BUT it's not the fitness that's wanted, it's the look."

I have a degree in sports science so yeah I can 'see it'. But why that's of concern to you I have no clue.

As I said before if you think you're what somebody is looking for and you fancy them - let them know.

I doubt very much they're hoping to find somebody to pop round for an hour on the exercise bike.

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over a year ago

Because its nearly midnight and there's nothing better to do. Why people are ever bothered by what's said on here is beyond me.

Im a night owl it passes the time

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

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That's exactly what I'm saying. It bugs me because it's misleading.

I don't care who is looking for what. If someone wants marathon runners, people with a 36-24-36 figure or people with a body fat percentage in single figures, that's entirely up to them.

The term has been niggling at me though and I wasn't even sure why. It is exactly as you have said though. Fit does not necessarily mean slim.

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over a year ago

"I think it's only not clear to you, and even then in truth it probably is.

Are you really arsed about somebody's recovery rate? Although now I say that perhaps that is a useful thing to know...

You really can't see that it's possible to be fit and not slim with muscle tone, or to be slim without being fit?

People asking for gym fit are wanting a specific body type, not fitness.

People with that body type may be fit, they are probably more likely to be fit BUT it's not the fitness that's wanted, it's the look."

I still think you are making assumptions about what people want and getting your knickers in a twist over something that you clearly don't see yourself as, so you're not likely to contact them anyway! Does it really matter what they mean?

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over a year ago

"I think it's only not clear to you, and even then in truth it probably is.

Are you really arsed about somebody's recovery rate? Although now I say that perhaps that is a useful thing to know...

You really can't see that it's possible to be fit and not slim with muscle tone, or to be slim without being fit?

People asking for gym fit are wanting a specific body type, not fitness.

People with that body type may be fit, they are probably more likely to be fit BUT it's not the fitness that's wanted, it's the look.

this is what I was thinking. It seems like you don't like it because you know that you don't fit into the category.

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By *ee Viante OP Woman
over a year ago

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"I think it's only not clear to you, and even then in truth it probably is.

Are you really arsed about somebody's recovery rate? Although now I say that perhaps that is a useful thing to know...

You really can't see that it's possible to be fit and not slim with muscle tone, or to be slim without being fit?

People asking for gym fit are wanting a specific body type, not fitness.

People with that body type may be fit, they are probably more likely to be fit BUT it's not the fitness that's wanted, it's the look.

I have a degree in sports science so yeah I can 'see it'. But why that's of concern to you I have no clue.

As I said before if you think you're what somebody is looking for and you fancy them - let them know.

I doubt very much they're hoping to find somebody to pop round for an hour on the exercise bike."

Ah... the why is it a concern to me argument.

I could equally well ask why is what is a concern to me a concern to you.

The term bugs me. I posted to discuss it. That the term bugs me and I posted about it bugs you so you commented.

Yet you'd criticise me for posting about something that bugs me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Come on guys it is a discussion forum, if no one ever brought things to discuss we'd have to just browse through endless cock and fanny pics so I for one am thankful for that!