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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

With the recent death of Nelson Mandella, I asked my 16yr old if she knew anything about him. Her reply was that she didn't even know who he was.

All i seem recall is her doing the two world wars and the Victorians over and over again!!

I think this is bad and that History should be compulsary in the later years of school instead of being an option

What to you lovely fabbers think ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I Totally agree, History is the Subject that tells us all where we come from and why we are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i did ancient greece and egypt, the romans,stuarts & tudors, victorians, stuff of native americans and world wars 1 and 2

wont be long before schools concentrate more on more british based conflicts

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Ahhh but the complication then comes of deciding which parts of history are in the curriculum and which bits are left out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With the recent death of Nelson Mandella, I asked my 16yr old if she knew anything about him. Her reply was that she didn't even know who he was.

All i seem recall is her doing the two world wars and the Victorians over and over again!!

I think this is bad and that History should be compulsary in the later years of school instead of being an option

What to you lovely fabbers think ??"

He has been all over the media for years maybe young people have other things on their minds

Maybe social studies would have been the place to learn this as it is the news of the day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't expect schools to teach every thing thats ever happened

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I Totally agree, History is the Subject that tells us all where we come from and why we are"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You can't expect schools to teach every thing thats ever happened"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahhh but the complication then comes of deciding which parts of history are in the curriculum and which bits are left out. "

Leave out the bad only teach the good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You can't expect schools to teach every thing thats ever happened

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With the recent death of Nelson Mandella, I asked my 16yr old if she knew anything about him. Her reply was that she didn't even know who he was.

All i seem recall is her doing the two world wars and the Victorians over and over again!!

I think this is bad and that History should be compulsary in the later years of school instead of being an option

What to you lovely fabbers think ??"

Nelson Mandela will have been in the news throughout her life. Not sure how her lack of knowledge of him is a shortcoming in history lessons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My brain is working over time on this so please excuse me. While I understand history is where we come from and what we are what real baring has it on our everyday life ( obviously let's excuse all those that want to be historians in this). How is knowing who Nelson Mandela is going to affect most peoples chance of getting a job.

I think more time should be given to learning maths, English and IT as they would be more of a benefit than history.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"You can't expect schools to teach every thing thats ever happened"

And what's wrong with parents telling kids about him. I never learned about WWII at school but knew loads from parents and grandparents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahhh but the complication then comes of deciding which parts of history are in the curriculum and which bits are left out.

Leave out the bad only teach the good

I wish that were possible but certain parts of human history are very ugly and it would be wrong to leave it out the bad parts as it wouldn't tell the full story.

Fair and balanced I say.

Silk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With the recent death of Nelson Mandella, I asked my 16yr old if she knew anything about him. Her reply was that she didn't even know who he was.

All i seem recall is her doing the two world wars and the Victorians over and over again!!

I think this is bad and that History should be compulsary in the later years of school instead of being an option

What to you lovely fabbers think ??"

Before schools worry about teaching history, maybe they should get the basics right, like spelling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I seem to remember being taught about the Tolpuddle Martyrs and the invention of the Bessemer Converter.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can always give your own children an insight into current affairs hopefully non biased so they can make up their own minds when judging history

If they have any interest that is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My brain is working over time on this so please excuse me. While I understand history is where we come from and what we are what real baring has it on our everyday life ( obviously let's excuse all those that want to be historians in this). How is knowing who Nelson Mandela is going to affect most peoples chance of getting a job.

I think more time should be given to learning maths, English and IT as they would be more of a benefit than history. "

Sometimes learning about iconic figures in history (whether good or bad) can inspire future young politicians in this country to follow or learn from their mistakes and not follow their example.

Life lessons

Silk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahhh but the complication then comes of deciding which parts of history are in the curriculum and which bits are left out.

Leave out the bad only teach the good

Leave out what you want and only teach what you want.

History is written by the winners.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"Ahhh but the complication then comes of deciding which parts of history are in the curriculum and which bits are left out. "

this..

it leave's whatever is being taught open to bias..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahhh but the complication then comes of deciding which parts of history are in the curriculum and which bits are left out.

Leave out the bad only teach the good

I wish that were possible but certain parts of human history are very ugly and it would be wrong to leave it out the bad parts as it wouldn't tell the full story.

Fair and balanced I say.

Silk "

See my wink? I was being sarcastic lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

History can cover such a broad range of subjects including maths,science etc etc

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Ahhh but the complication then comes of deciding which parts of history are in the curriculum and which bits are left out.

this..

it leave's whatever is being taught open to bias.. "
Exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahhh but the complication then comes of deciding which parts of history are in the curriculum and which bits are left out.

Leave out the bad only teach the good

I wish that were possible but certain parts of human history are very ugly and it would be wrong to leave it out the bad parts as it wouldn't tell the full story.

Fair and balanced I say.

Silk

See my wink? I was being sarcastic lol"

Lol my bad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With the recent death of Nelson Mandella, I asked my 16yr old if she knew anything about him. Her reply was that she didn't even know who he was.

All i seem recall is her doing the two world wars and the Victorians over and over again!!

I think this is bad and that History should be compulsary in the later years of school instead of being an option

What to you lovely fabbers think ??"

I think forcing kids to do subjects they don't like is wrong. Quite a few will probably disrupt or bunk the lesson anyway. With the exception of English and Maths they should have more of a choice.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I really love history. It was my favourite topic at school and I'm glad I took it further.

I think Mandela's been in the news a lot, but not so much for the last few years. After he retired, he took a step back and it is only recently he has been making headlines again. I think for people of a certain age who missed him being in prison, released and then president he was probably not that prominent.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Ahhh but the complication then comes of deciding which parts of history are in the curriculum and which bits are left out.

this..

it leave's whatever is being taught open to bias.. Exactly.

imagine the History of the World according to Gove..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would love to know who decides what history is taught.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I would love to know who decides what history is taught."

In the west of Scotland, what history is taught will depend to an extent on which school you attend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would love to know who decides what history is taught.

In the west of Scotland, what history is taught will depend to an extent on which school you attend."

The catholic school up the road would teach about the child abuse then ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I would love to know who decides what history is taught.

In the west of Scotland, what history is taught will depend to an extent on which school you attend."

Similar to when I was a boy in Liverpool, the impact that the slave trade had on the cities prosperity..

conveniently omitted from any lessons taught..

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

Everyone has their versions of history and unfortunately a lot is taught via western values, to me it stinks of propaganda

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

And I suppose a lot of recent history is classified still

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am still learning the real truths about my own country's history and not the history we were taught as kids from when the country was colonised.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"And I suppose a lot of recent history is classified still"

yeh but no but cant have us plebs n oiks questioning how the 'establishment' have behaved can we.. ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And I suppose a lot of recent history is classified still"

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

My daughter is in her early teens and she already knows that she wants to do her doctorate in History. We've told her that she'll lad need good English grades so as to be able to give full expression to her ideas. I know that she learnt a great deal from her dad and I as the years have gone on. It is both the schools and ourselves who have fostered this enthusiasm. Education belongs at school and at home!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very recent history is taught as Modern Studies in Scotland.

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

I was very pleasantly surprised that my 13yr old knew a lot about Mandela when it came on the news, we had a great discussion about it all and they had been talking about it in school

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"With the recent death of Nelson Mandella, I asked my 16yr old if she knew anything about him. Her reply was that she didn't even know who he was.

All i seem recall is her doing the two world wars and the Victorians over and over again!!

I think this is bad and that History should be compulsary in the later years of school instead of being an option

What to you lovely fabbers think ??"

If i were to credit my history teacher with anything it would be this - history is a based on a point of view & one should explore all points of view/facts and assess any biases before making up my own mind on things

OP i agree with your thoughts about history not being an option but a mandatory subject but how much history and what time period is trickier as it cant all be covered in school. Maybe a this discussion with your daughter will get her interested in more modern society and events

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By *hite SnakeMan
over a year ago

leeds

"I was very pleasantly surprised that my 13yr old knew a lot about Mandela when it came on the news, we had a great discussion about it all and they had been talking about it in school

But did they know the truth or the sanitised version painting him a hero.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"I was very pleasantly surprised that my 13yr old knew a lot about Mandela when it came on the news, we had a great discussion about it all and they had been talking about it in school

But did they know the truth or the sanitised version painting him a hero."

What's the truth & whats the sanitised version?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

I think they teach Victorian to tell you, you've never had it better, however some places especially work houses are returning to their values

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

"I was very pleasantly surprised that my 13yr old knew a lot about Mandela when it came on the news, we had a great discussion about it all and they had been talking about it in school

But did they know the truth or the sanitised version painting him a hero.

What's the truth & whats the sanitised version?"

Exactly.... But as it happens he knew all about him being imprisoned and why, and he came to the conclusion ( by himself) that sometimes things that aren't right have to be done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they teach Victorian to tell you, you've never had it better, however some places especially work houses are returning to their values"

They could save loads of time and just say that's what David Cameron says lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You can't expect schools to teach every thing thats ever happened"

I also think parents can be responsible for their child's education too, there's nothing to stop any of us teaching our kids about things if we aren't happy with the way the school is doing it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love history, but I have learnt far more about it since I left school as the school based curriculum was restricted and dull.

With regards Mandela and global history, I think he is insignificant.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

And then you've got Hollywood/cia version of events and then that throws everything out of the window

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I was very pleasantly surprised that my 13yr old knew a lot about Mandela when it came on the news, we had a great discussion about it all and they had been talking about it in school

But did they know the truth or the sanitised version painting him a hero."

The 12 year old in my life knew about why he was imprisoned in Robben Island, what was happening in South Africa and what Mandela did and was after his release. He views him as a hero. Context can be taught in history too.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"You can't expect schools to teach every thing thats ever happened

I also think parents can be responsible for their child's education too, there's nothing to stop any of us teaching our kids about things if we aren't happy with the way the school is doing it"

Absolutely. Everything has some learning value to it. When I ask the children what they would like to do one on one with me as a treat they usually pick a museum or gallery (when it's not shopping). We then talk... a lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love history, but I have learnt far more about it since I left school as the school based curriculum was restricted and dull.

With regards Mandela and global history, I think he is insignificant. "

What do you base this on?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love history, but I have learnt far more about it since I left school as the school based curriculum was restricted and dull.

With regards Mandela and global history, I think he is insignificant.

What do you base this on?

base what on his thoughts? since when did you have to back up an opinion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You can't expect schools to teach every thing thats ever happened

I also think parents can be responsible for their child's education too, there's nothing to stop any of us teaching our kids about things if we aren't happy with the way the school is doing it

Will have to take my son to a museum and a gallery maybe then I will get something out of him lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love history, but I have learnt far more about it since I left school as the school based curriculum was restricted and dull.

With regards Mandela and global history, I think he is insignificant.

What do you base this on?

base what on his thoughts? since when did you have to back up an opinion?

Did I ask you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmm not sure a good way to honour him is in a discussion on a swinging site.. Amongst pictures of nudity, creampies and other debauchery. We dishonour him by sandwiching his name between threads on kinky sex and dogging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I learnt in history was how to trace buildings . But I take a keen interest in it now . History that is not tracing pics of buildings lol .

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"You can't expect schools to teach every thing thats ever happened

I also think parents can be responsible for their child's education too, there's nothing to stop any of us teaching our kids about things if we aren't happy with the way the school is doing it

Will have to take my son to a museum and a gallery maybe then I will get something out of him lol"

Happily, unless he dawdles.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Hmmm not sure a good way to honour him is in a discussion on a swinging site.. Amongst pictures of nudity, creampies and other debauchery. We dishonour him by sandwiching his name between threads on kinky sex and dogging. "

We can honour him wherever we like.

are you forum police

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I sincerely hope that he isn't irrelevant. Not only was he humble, forgiving and an example to us all but he also led by example.

There is a big reason why he is not commonly taught on the history syllabus, which is unfortunately a symptom of our education system and a reason that Vietnam recently overtook us on national education assessments.

South African history is hard and difficult to both understand and pass. German and Russian History is far easier and adopted by the easiest examination boards and therefore you could easily gain a doctorate in history and never have studied it.

Having visited South Africa a couple of times and seeing how divided it is (boars hate English who don't get on with immigrants from Africa and tribes have reason to also stir up disputes for financial gain) it is amazing that a man with such political astuteness was able to flourish when faced with seemingly insurmountable adversity.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"All I learnt in history was how to trace buildings . But I take a keen interest in it now . History that is not tracing pics of buildings lol . "

Are you sure you were in a history lesson? Tracing anything ceased in primary school and never in history.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"You can't expect schools to teach every thing thats ever happened

I also think parents can be responsible for their child's education too, there's nothing to stop any of us teaching our kids about things if we aren't happy with the way the school is doing it

Will have to take my son to a museum and a gallery maybe then I will get something out of him lol"

I used to take my daughter to museums and galleries regularly and now in her 30s she still loves to go to them. A few years back we did a driving tour of Normandy taking in the Dunkirk beach of Malo les Bain where our troops wrre rescued, the Somme, Agincourt, the D Day landing beaches, William the Conquerors csstle in Caen, the hill town of Cassel famous for being the hill the Grand Old Duke of York marched up, and Rouen where Joan of Arc was executed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can honour him wherever we like.

are you forum police "

Do you not think somewhere where the next thread is about whether it is ok to swing when pregnant may not be the right place to talk about the death of a man of great integrity? Where you are one click away from a vagina full of 10 men's semen ? what would he want, I suspect he would sooner be discussed in a history forum, not a swing one !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You can't expect schools to teach every thing thats ever happened

I also think parents can be responsible for their child's education too, there's nothing to stop any of us teaching our kids about things if we aren't happy with the way the school is doing it

Will have to take my son to a museum and a gallery maybe then I will get something out of him lol

Loved my backpacking trip around Europe visiting and seeing so many things and places that I learnt in history lessons.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

We can honour him wherever we like.

are you forum police

I'd thought the Lounge was the place for general chat and discussion and that there are plenty of other forums for all sorts of discussions of a sexual/ swinging nature.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

We can honour him wherever we like.

are you forum police "

And whilst we are at it we can honour the innocent men, women and children murdered at his command...

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

We can honour him wherever we like.

are you forum police

And whilst we are at it we can honour the innocent men, women and children murdered at his command..."

Do you have a list of their names?

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can honour him wherever we like.

are you forum police

And whilst we are at it we can honour the innocent men, women and children murdered at his command...

Do you have a list of their names?"

You make me laugh

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

We can honour him wherever we like.

are you forum police

And whilst we are at it we can honour the innocent men, women and children murdered at his command...

Do you have a list of their names?"

Strangely enough. Why am I not surprised that it's you making a stupid comment. Just because we don't know their name s makes them no less important as human beings...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally valid point....history is written by the victors or at least used to be.

Technology now means no one should not have access to recent history at least....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love history, but I have learnt far more about it since I left school as the school based curriculum was restricted and dull.

With regards Mandela and global history, I think he is insignificant. "

Me too - I think history within school should just aim to provoke an interest in it and help people understand how to filter out the crap.

re. Mandela, Like him or not he'll probably be the most famous political leader of his era. Although British history in South Africa, in fact most of Africa remains too unpalatable for the school curriculum.

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

I don't know about the National Curriculum for Secondary schools but in terms of the new curriculum for teaching primary history, there is a greater focus on teaching children historical inquiry skills and how to locate and interpret evidence. Which I reckon is a good thing...as means that those who do have a greater interest in history than others can take those skills away and do some research of their own. Considering the entire history of the world and every 'important' figure cannot be shoehorned into the curriculum, independent and home-based study should be encouraged (and I state important in such a way because importance is subjective from one person to another).

Speaking from experience I do believe a lot of schools are set in their ways regarding Primary history, again I can't speak to Secondary. Within the KS2 curriculum children must do a unit on Ancient Civilisations and they have the choice from a list including ancient Egypt, ancient Sumer the Indus valley and the Shang dynasty of ancient China. But I've never been in a school that didn't go for ancient Egypt. It's easier to do ancient Egypt...because it's what they've always done. There will be planning in school for it, resources, display materials. And the children will probably have some ideas and preconceptions about it.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

We can honour him wherever we like.

are you forum police

And whilst we are at it we can honour the innocent men, women and children murdered at his command...

Do you have a list of their names?

Strangely enough. Why am I not surprised that it's you making a stupid comment. Just because we don't know their name s makes them no less important as human beings..."

That'll be a 'no' then.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I don't know much about nelson Mandela and its not affected my life in anyway not knowing.

I don't remember a thing about history at school, I do think we should all about the first and second world wars that have impacted on our lives

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I know it's unfashionable but perhaps some of the time spent trying to teach differential calculus to bored weans could be better spent helping them get to grips with elementary spelling and grammar.

Anyone who spends any time on any discussion groups cannot but be aware that a number of contributors - even some supposed graduates - haven't got the hang of the basic stuff, yet they wonder why they can't find jobs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

History is a big subject as there is so much of it. We need to know more about the last 200 years than anything ells yet it is not covered in schools for the most part. It should be compulsory till 16 I say.

When I did the great war at school or we did was the house wife side of it. Nothing on why there was war or even what the side where! We went on to one bit on the recruitment posters and what they were trying to achieve. I did ask well now about to join the army, cannot say more than that as you not told even what the side where. It did not go down well with the teacher and i never did get an answer to what the sides where or why we there was a war.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

We can honour him wherever we like.

are you forum police

And whilst we are at it we can honour the innocent men, women and children murdered at his command..."

And those killed by the Afrikaans Apartheid Government.

I am sure you and the others insisting on ONLY talking about his militancy will be peaceful and "law abiding" when you are not permitted to travel from one town to another without the appropriate permission slip. That will you will see it as a just punishment to be shot in the back when you protest peacefully that you think you should be able to go and visit Aunt Mabel when you like.

This thread is about history. Look at as many sources as possible.

I'll accept you see Mandela as a murderer. Can you accept that others see that Apartheid was wrong and that Mandela left Robben Island a peaceful man determined on forgiveness and reconciliation?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

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We can honour him wherever we like.

are you forum police

And whilst we are at it we can honour the innocent men, women and children murdered at his command...

And those killed by the Afrikaans Apartheid Government.

This thread is about history. Look at as many sources as possible.

I'll accept you see Mandela as a murderer. Can you accept that others see that Apartheid was wrong and that Mandela left Robben Island a peaceful man determined on forgiveness and reconciliation?"
but nelson Mandela is only one person, you can't learn about every single person from history, which really nelson Mandela is current. Who do you teach about and who do you leave out

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

It is no possible to teach the whole of history at school. Or even at university hence the reason undergraduates specialise in a particular area.

Also for those banging the drum against Mandela proclaiming him a terrorist. He served 27 years in prison and came out determined to engage in forgiveness, redemption and reconciliation. He was hardly the head of Al Qaeda. Perspective is everything.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

We can honour him wherever we like.

are you forum police

And whilst we are at it we can honour the innocent men, women and children murdered at his command...

And those killed by the Afrikaans Apartheid Government.

This thread is about history. Look at as many sources as possible.

I'll accept you see Mandela as a murderer. Can you accept that others see that Apartheid was wrong and that Mandela left Robben Island a peaceful man determined on forgiveness and reconciliation?but nelson Mandela is only one person, you can't learn about every single person from history, which really nelson Mandela is current. Who do you teach about and who do you leave out

The thread started about Mandela and I am responding to those comments. There are many, many historical figures I don't know about and will never find out about.

However, you can teach about periods of historical significance and some people will obviously feature more prominently than others in that teaching.

You say that schools should teach WWI and WWII as it has a relevance on their lives. Why? It doesn't in any direct sense, and certainly no more than you not knowing/wanting to know about Mandela as it doesn't affect your life.

However, finding out about WWI, the context, what happened after, how that led to WWII and to Syria and much of modern Middle East affairs would help them understand the context of the world we inhabit now.

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over a year ago

"It is no possible to teach the whole of history at school. Or even at university hence the reason undergraduates specialise in a particular area.

As is balance because he was not a great or a saint

He ended up a good man as far as I'm concerned

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

One countries terrorist is another countries freedom fighter.

History exists in the mind or it exists nowhere ( para ) E.H.Carr

History is written by the victors.

History is simply what someone else tells us and it changes in the light of new evidence and ..... even without it.

History is re written by the powerful.

Develop an enquiring and critical mind if you want to make sense of the present from the past .....

Fuck curriculum content in schools. Some of you seem to think that schools are about inculcation. Thank fully what little I do know about them reveals them to be about method.

Fuck content. Simple.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

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"One countries terrorist is another countries freedom fighter.

History exists in the mind or it exists nowhere ( para ) E.H.Carr

History is written by the victors.

History is simply what someone else tells us and it changes in the light of new evidence and ..... even without it.

History is re written by the powerful.

Develop an enquiring and critical mind if you want to make sense of the present from the past .....

Fuck curriculum content in schools. Some of you seem to think that schools are about inculcation. Thank fully what little I do know about them reveals them to be about method.

Fuck content. Simple.

Exactly its just there to tick a box, as for the world wars its there to try to teach us a lesson and reminded time and time again how bad it was etc etc and don't want to go there again

You are safe in their hands

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Obviously I do not know the names of the 130 plus people killed by the ANC under Mandela.

Of those over 100 were innocent civilians. Of those 60% were black...

Mandela and the ANC accepted millions of pounds in donations from Gaddafi and other dictators.

Once freeded Mandela never apologised for any of the deaths he was involved in.

Then once in power he and his government spent billions on military hardware, whilst a large part of the black population were living in abject poverty... Continuing to support and be supported by dictators with horrific human rights records.

Of himself he said do not put me on a pedestal I am only human with my faults...

The end of apartied can only be a good thing and I have no idea how else it could been achieved. However I do think that people are all to quick to forgot the blood on Mandelas hands. If people are taught about the good he brought about, they should also be taught about the bad...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One countries terrorist is another countries freedom fighter.

History exists in the mind or it exists nowhere ( para ) E.H.Carr

History is written by the victors.

History is simply what someone else tells us and it changes in the light of new evidence and ..... even without it.

History is re written by the powerful.

Develop an enquiring and critical mind if you want to make sense of the present from the past .....

Fuck curriculum content in schools. Some of you seem to think that schools are about inculcation. Thank fully what little I do know about them reveals them to be about method.

Fuck content. Simple.

Exactly its just there to tick a box, as for the world wars its there to try to teach us a lesson and reminded time and time again how bad it was etc etc and don't want to go there again

You are safe in their hands

You'd hope two World Wars would teach a lesson wouldn't you? Reminding time and again seems pretty sensible.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

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"One countries terrorist is another countries freedom fighter.

History exists in the mind or it exists nowhere ( para ) E.H.Carr

History is written by the victors.

History is simply what someone else tells us and it changes in the light of new evidence and ..... even without it.

History is re written by the powerful.

Develop an enquiring and critical mind if you want to make sense of the present from the past .....

Fuck curriculum content in schools. Some of you seem to think that schools are about inculcation. Thank fully what little I do know about them reveals them to be about method.

Fuck content. Simple.

Exactly its just there to tick a box, as for the world wars its there to try to teach us a lesson and reminded time and time again how bad it was etc etc and don't want to go there again

You are safe in their hands

You'd hope two World Wars would teach a lesson wouldn't you? Reminding time and again seems pretty sensible."

People rarely learn lessons. They simply cherry-pick the facts and opinions which support their already entrenched positions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One countries terrorist is another countries freedom fighter.

History exists in the mind or it exists nowhere ( para ) E.H.Carr

History is written by the victors.

History is simply what someone else tells us and it changes in the light of new evidence and ..... even without it.

History is re written by the powerful.

Develop an enquiring and critical mind if you want to make sense of the present from the past .....

Fuck curriculum content in schools. Some of you seem to think that schools are about inculcation. Thank fully what little I do know about them reveals them to be about method.

Fuck content. Simple.

Exactly its just there to tick a box, as for the world wars its there to try to teach us a lesson and reminded time and time again how bad it was etc etc and don't want to go there again

You are safe in their hands

You'd hope two World Wars would teach a lesson wouldn't you? Reminding time and again seems pretty sensible.

People rarely learn lessons. They simply cherry-pick the facts and opinions which support their already entrenched positions."

On here no doubt.

Many a professor will disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree that youngsters these days know nothing about these sort of things and think its a real shame too. However making history a compulsory is a step back in my book as there is only so much time people can have to learn things. Plus not everyone can remember dates/events, etc. So everyone should leave it as it is. Maybe they should change thier prospectus so it includes the important stuff such as this. We should be focusing on making people attend school and not closing the ones that are opened rather than changing things around.

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over a year ago

"I love history, but I have learnt far more about it since I left school as the school based curriculum was restricted and dull.

With regards Mandela and global history, I think he is insignificant.

What do you base this on?

Apartheid is no different from any form of dictatorship, it was wrong and it was correct to end it.

I see Mandela as simply the poster boy for the fall of the Apartheid.

He was a convicted terrorist and has blood on his hands, although he did fight against an unjust system. The IRA did the same and don't seem to be feted as Mandela is.

He did his time in prison and came out, preaching peace. Good on him, Martin Luther King and Ghandi had the same preachings.

It does seem to me that when he was released and became President, he did not make much change. He filled the government with family and friends.

Billions have been sunk into SA, since the fall of Apartheid, but people still live in abject poverty, although they no longer live in fear of being killed by Apartheid soldiers and police. Did his Presidency truly change as much as it could have?

He smiled nicely, wore some funky shirts and met the Spice Girls...

I truly do not understand the fuss made about him. There were others as important as him in the struggle against Apartheid, such as Biko.

I guess people like a living martyr.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This isn't history. This is current affairs.

People should know this whether they study history or not. Get more people interested in the world and reading higher brow news than trash media and the problem disappears.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The bloke was 95 and he's dead. I'd say that's history.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I think its a premature for anyone to judge Mandela in a historical context at this time in relation to what has or hasn't been achieved post his election in 94..

bit like looking at the UK post Cromwell's demise and what life was like etc for the working man and the rights of women..

what Mandela did do was be part of the end of a regime which most of the rest of the free world saw as wrong on many levels..

SA has its inequalities, so do we in this land where the mother of all Parliaments sits...

certainly believe that his autobiography was titled the way it was because he knew in his lifetime it was just a start..

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