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"120mph and asking for calibration is a bit much. but if i was caught at say 34 in a 30 zone the first thing id ask is. is the calibration correct " Surely if the calibration is wrong it doesn't matter if it's 34 in a 30 or 120 in a 70. Wrong is wrong. | |||
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"Haven't read it but have to say I quite like people that do things out of moral principle rather than toe the line just because others expect or accept the status quo." It's not 'moral principle' it's sheer bloody mindedness and reflects the fact that many people have few or no choices in their life. | |||
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"Haven't read it but have to say I quite like people that do things out of moral principle rather than toe the line just because others expect or accept the status quo. It's not 'moral principle' it's sheer bloody mindedness and reflects the fact that many people have few or no choices in their life." I haven't read it so don't know what the specific 'it' is - just responding to the first comment. I am always impressed at how much people can judge about others from such small amounts of information on here though. | |||
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"I don't which thread you were reading but I like your rant. The loophole merchants justify as much as they want but annoy me. Then I get angry when the same loophole merchants turn all judgmental on the poor and weak and for what? Not having enough money to be able to exploit a loophole? " They don't seem quite so happy when, say, an alleged sex offender gets off on a technicality. | |||
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"I don't which thread you were reading but I like your rant. The loophole merchants justify as much as they want but annoy me. Then I get angry when the same loophole merchants turn all judgmental on the poor and weak and for what? Not having enough money to be able to exploit a loophole? They don't seem quite so happy when, say, an alleged sex offender gets off on a technicality." Funny things those loopholes aren't they? | |||
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"120mph....? What car did he have? " I have driven at 188 mph, was in an F1 car though around silverstone, does that count, had cameras flash at me and everything | |||
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"120mph and asking for calibration is a bit much. but if i was caught at say 34 in a 30 zone the first thing id ask is. is the calibration correct Surely if the calibration is wrong it doesn't matter if it's 34 in a 30 or 120 in a 70. Wrong is wrong." cobblers.. if the device is out and the speed is low, eg urban as stated 34 in a 30 etc then fair play and challenge it.. anyone doing in excess of 100 knows what they are up to, challenging a devices calibration when the driver knows they were doing 120 is cuntish.. grow some and take what you deserve.. | |||
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"120mph....? What car did he have? " My (unmodified) Scoob topped out around 155mph. Plenty of cars will do 120mph. My mum's old Golf Gti did. | |||
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"120mph and asking for calibration is a bit much. but if i was caught at say 34 in a 30 zone the first thing id ask is. is the calibration correct Surely if the calibration is wrong it doesn't matter if it's 34 in a 30 or 120 in a 70. Wrong is wrong. cobblers.. if the device is out and the speed is low, eg urban as stated 34 in a 30 etc then fair play and challenge it.. anyone doing in excess of 100 knows what they are up to, challenging a devices calibration when the driver knows they were doing 120 is cuntish.. grow some and take what you deserve.." So, at what speed above the limit for the road you're driving on stop being 'fair play' and become 'cuntish'? You're either speeding or you're not. | |||
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"120mph and asking for calibration is a bit much. but if i was caught at say 34 in a 30 zone the first thing id ask is. is the calibration correct Surely if the calibration is wrong it doesn't matter if it's 34 in a 30 or 120 in a 70. Wrong is wrong. cobblers.. if the device is out and the speed is low, eg urban as stated 34 in a 30 etc then fair play and challenge it.. anyone doing in excess of 100 knows what they are up to, challenging a devices calibration when the driver knows they were doing 120 is cuntish.. grow some and take what you deserve.. So, at what speed above the limit for the road you're driving on stop being 'fair play' and become 'cuntish'? You're either speeding or you're not. " have seen and dealt with the effects of cuntish driving in urban and rural area's.. both at speeds which were totally negligent and sometimes when the person was there or there abouts of the speed limit.. anyone who has driven on the motorway system with some experience could give a 'guestimate' when someone is clearly tanking down the outside in gross excess of what most folks do.. which is tbh above the 70.. but someone doing 120 or there abouts is a hazard and deserves a sanction.. | |||
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"The thread wasn't about tax, so calm yourself. Thats a whole other can of bastards I don't want to open. " No, it's about loopholes in the law remember? And that's what I was talking about. Loopholes in the tax law and I'm quite calm. Are you? | |||
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"^ love that" 99.9% know nothing about law and laws which is very handy when those in enforcement of it don't know either which allows the establishment to have it almost all their own way. | |||
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"I was reading an interview with a Premiership manager earlier today and he admitted that he got off a driving ban for excessive speeding by his lawyer persuading a magistrate that the city would suffer if he was banned. Absolutely disgusting!!! " You will probably find it was a barrister who when in a magistrates court which deals solely with statute and not law speaks legalise at which point the recorder who also speaks legalise takes over as the magistrate does not and the said barrister after questioning the enforcement officer to the person/persona accused of breaking said statute finds that said enforcement officer or court official has used an incorrect term in either language or written word then the recorder will advise the magistrate in English that to admit said wrong doing is in its self an offence this is then recorded as a technicality and said person/persona and not the man because he was not on trail is given no fine or punishment and the case against is thrown out this happens all the time when you can afford upwards of £1000 per hour barristers and is not illegal as it understood law and statute is equal and the right of everyone. | |||
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"I was reading an interview with a Premiership manager earlier today and he admitted that he got off a driving ban for excessive speeding by his lawyer persuading a magistrate that the city would suffer if he was banned. Absolutely disgusting!!! You will probably find it was a barrister who when in a magistrates court which deals solely with statute and not law speaks legalise at which point the recorder who also speaks legalise takes over as the magistrate does not and the said barrister after questioning the enforcement officer to the person/persona accused of breaking said statute finds that said enforcement officer or court official has used an incorrect term in either language or written word then the recorder will advise the magistrate in English that to admit said wrong doing is in its self an offence this is then recorded as a technicality and said person/persona and not the man because he was not on trail is given no fine or punishment and the case against is thrown out this happens all the time when you can afford upwards of £1000 per hour barristers and is not illegal as it understood law and statute is equal and the right of everyone. " I'm very impressed that you managed to work all that out from my post | |||
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"A+ rant there I find it sad that people who have a reasonable income would still go out of their way to not pay something others pay, yet would be the first to excoriate a company for not paying its taxes, or a benefit claimer for having a luxury in their life. There is a shocking case of double standards starting to raise its head in this country, and it's not nice to see. " Classic example for you. Carlos Tevez (an ex West Ham/Man United, current Man city player for those who don't know him) was find a year ago £3000 for not having the correct documents to drive in this country. Yes to us its a lot of money. To him its probably about 2 hours worth of wages. A year on and he still hasn't changed his documents and people can get fined between £60-£80 for traveling 34mph in a 30 mph zone and the only reason for that is because they were going down a hill when approaching the speed camera and that person will be forced to pay or taken off the road. Even if they can't afford it. Something is wrong somewhere | |||
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"A+ rant there I find it sad that people who have a reasonable income would still go out of their way to not pay something others pay, yet would be the first to excoriate a company for not paying its taxes, or a benefit claimer for having a luxury in their life. There is a shocking case of double standards starting to raise its head in this country, and it's not nice to see. Classic example for you. Carlos Tevez (an ex West Ham/Man United, current Man city player for those who don't know him) was find a year ago £3000 for not having the correct documents to drive in this country. Yes to us its a lot of money. To him its probably about 2 hours worth of wages. A year on and he still hasn't changed his documents and people can get fined between £60-£80 for traveling 34mph in a 30 mph zone and the only reason for that is because they were going down a hill when approaching the speed camera and that person will be forced to pay or taken off the road. Even if they can't afford it. Something is wrong somewhere " I disagree. I think the amount of the fine should be based on the offence not what somebody earns. For the record, Tevez now plays in Italy. | |||
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"A+ rant there I find it sad that people who have a reasonable income would still go out of their way to not pay something others pay, yet would be the first to excoriate a company for not paying its taxes, or a benefit claimer for having a luxury in their life. There is a shocking case of double standards starting to raise its head in this country, and it's not nice to see. Classic example for you. Carlos Tevez (an ex West Ham/Man United, current Man city player for those who don't know him) was find a year ago £3000 for not having the correct documents to drive in this country. Yes to us its a lot of money. To him its probably about 2 hours worth of wages. A year on and he still hasn't changed his documents and people can get fined between £60-£80 for traveling 34mph in a 30 mph zone and the only reason for that is because they were going down a hill when approaching the speed camera and that person will be forced to pay or taken off the road. Even if they can't afford it. Something is wrong somewhere " You are not forced to pay a motoring fine you entered into a legal contract stating that you will pay all fines when deemed that you have broken a statute if you do not keep to the contract i.e you registered the car which is the legalise word in English for to give ownership off so under contract if you do not pay all fines on the car you registered through a legal document and signed in a box under the four corner rule they have every right to take there car back. | |||
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"A+ rant there I find it sad that people who have a reasonable income would still go out of their way to not pay something others pay, yet would be the first to excoriate a company for not paying its taxes, or a benefit claimer for having a luxury in their life. There is a shocking case of double standards starting to raise its head in this country, and it's not nice to see. Classic example for you. Carlos Tevez (an ex West Ham/Man United, current Man city player for those who don't know him) was find a year ago £3000 for not having the correct documents to drive in this country. Yes to us its a lot of money. To him its probably about 2 hours worth of wages. A year on and he still hasn't changed his documents and people can get fined between £60-£80 for traveling 34mph in a 30 mph zone and the only reason for that is because they were going down a hill when approaching the speed camera and that person will be forced to pay or taken off the road. Even if they can't afford it. Something is wrong somewhere I disagree. I think the amount of the fine should be based on the offence not what somebody earns. For the record, Tevez now plays in Italy." Oops my bad forgot he left the club, lol. But on a serious note a fine is to try and stop you from doing something wrong again. If I was fined a £500 for dangerous driving. I would be extremely careful how I drove in future as that's a lot of month to me and I know I can't survive without the money. If someone earning £500,000 a month got fined £500 for the same offence. What's to stop them doing it again as its pocket money to them as the whole point of fines is to stop you committing the offence again. | |||
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"A+ rant there I find it sad that people who have a reasonable income would still go out of their way to not pay something others pay, yet would be the first to excoriate a company for not paying its taxes, or a benefit claimer for having a luxury in their life. There is a shocking case of double standards starting to raise its head in this country, and it's not nice to see. Classic example for you. Carlos Tevez (an ex West Ham/Man United, current Man city player for those who don't know him) was find a year ago £3000 for not having the correct documents to drive in this country. Yes to us its a lot of money. To him its probably about 2 hours worth of wages. A year on and he still hasn't changed his documents and people can get fined between £60-£80 for traveling 34mph in a 30 mph zone and the only reason for that is because they were going down a hill when approaching the speed camera and that person will be forced to pay or taken off the road. Even if they can't afford it. Something is wrong somewhere I disagree. I think the amount of the fine should be based on the offence not what somebody earns. For the record, Tevez now plays in Italy. Oops my bad forgot he left the club, lol. But on a serious note a fine is to try and stop you from doing something wrong again. If I was fined a £500 for dangerous driving. I would be extremely careful how I drove in future as that's a lot of month to me and I know I can't survive without the money. If someone earning £500,000 a month got fined £500 for the same offence. What's to stop them doing it again as its pocket money to them as the whole point of fines is to stop you committing the offence again. " Again you are not forced to pay a fine you have signed a legal contract or deemed to have signed a legal contract which stated that you would pay said fine or give up ownership of a thing or your freedom for a set maximum term if you cannot or will not pay said fine to the said office working for the UK plc. | |||
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"Before making judgement, on loopholes, in as you say the, "law ". You first have to under stand what is law. Is it, law. As in : natural , GOD given, law of the land, admiralty, common or statute. Then, when you've worked out which one of these Laws, you've have broken. Then and then only can you find the loopholes, which are written in to these, using the other English language ,that you don't speak or read. It's called legalise and uses the blacks dictionary. This can only be used and spoken by someone that has been to the bar. Law has two offences which covers all things to do with the man/woman better known as GOD given law, common law , natural law etc. this covers two things only of which is everything. This is you will cause no harm or loss and nothing else. The other is statute, under admiralty law which is a law made by lawmakers under legalise and is against the person i.e. The persona of the man or as you should know the birth certificate of said persona. The person is the the said piece of paper which has your stock number on it and was registered, ( or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on) by your father after you where given birth too in the UK plc . To break the law, you must be judged to have caused harm or loss and you will be tried within crown court, as the man/woman by a barrister and judge who have been to the bar. This means they will speak in legalise and the judge will mediate and keep the jury informed of proceedings as they do not speak said language but the judge does having been to the bar him/her self. You do not break a law by speeding on a highway. As by speeding alone you have not caused harm or loss you have only broken a statute or bylaw which can be changed anytime by the government of the time i.e a 30mph zone becoming a 25mph zone etc. This in itself is a loophole which I think you don't realise. Most technicalities are used against police officers or a police man/women by either the defence or prosecution as a police officer or man/woman must under their contract know the difference between law and statute which is a sackable offence in statute if they admit to not knowing so this is how most persons or men/woman get off on a technicality . I hope this gives you a bit of an insight into how law, is stacked with loopholes which most men women or persons know nothing about, but and here's a cracking loophole. You have no defence as under statue ignorance of a law is no defence. Hope this helps but I would think it won't . My rant over." A lot of this does not make any sense logically, gramatically or practically. I hope nobody decides to rely on it as a defence when they have broken the law. | |||
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"120mph....? What car did he have? " mine does 150mph if it goes over a cliff | |||
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"The thread wasn't about tax, so calm yourself. Thats a whole other can of bastards I don't want to open. " shall i pass you the can opener | |||
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"I've done 120. But I was on an unrestricted autobahn at the time. " i love the autobahn our motorways were unrestricted when the M1 was first built | |||
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"Before making judgement, on loopholes, in as you say the, "law ". You first have to under stand what is law. Is it, law. As in : natural , GOD given, law of the land, admiralty, common or statute. Then, when you've worked out which one of these Laws, you've have broken. Then and then only can you find the loopholes, which are written in to these, using the other English language ,that you don't speak or read. It's called legalise and uses the blacks dictionary. This can only be used and spoken by someone that has been to the bar. Law has two offences which covers all things to do with the man/woman better known as GOD given law, common law , natural law etc. this covers two things only of which is everything. This is you will cause no harm or loss and nothing else. The other is statute, under admiralty law which is a law made by lawmakers under legalise and is against the person i.e. The persona of the man or as you should know the birth certificate of said persona. The person is the the said piece of paper which has your stock number on it and was registered, ( or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on) by your father after you where given birth too in the UK plc . To break the law, you must be judged to have caused harm or loss and you will be tried within crown court, as the man/woman by a barrister and judge who have been to the bar. This means they will speak in legalise and the judge will mediate and keep the jury informed of proceedings as they do not speak said language but the judge does having been to the bar him/her self. You do not break a law by speeding on a highway. As by speeding alone you have not caused harm or loss you have only broken a statute or bylaw which can be changed anytime by the government of the time i.e a 30mph zone becoming a 25mph zone etc. This in itself is a loophole which I think you don't realise. Most technicalities are used against police officers or a police man/women by either the defence or prosecution as a police officer or man/woman must under their contract know the difference between law and statute which is a sackable offence in statute if they admit to not knowing so this is how most persons or men/woman get off on a technicality . I hope this gives you a bit of an insight into how law, is stacked with loopholes which most men women or persons know nothing about, but and here's a cracking loophole. You have no defence as under statue ignorance of a law is no defence. Hope this helps but I would think it won't . My rant over. A lot of this does not make any sense logically, gramatically or practically. I hope nobody decides to rely on it as a defence when they have broken the law." A man/woman is not the same as a person under law or in life a person is the persona of the man/woman or as you would not and do not understand the birth certificate or as it really is the regesitration of birth given in to the UK plc if you would take time to find some of this out then you might learn something . | |||
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"Before making judgement, on loopholes, in as you say the, "law ". You first have to under stand what is law. Is it, law. As in : natural , GOD given, law of the land, admiralty, common or statute. Then, when you've worked out which one of these Laws, you've have broken. Then and then only can you find the loopholes, which are written in to these, using the other English language ,that you don't speak or read. It's called legalise and uses the blacks dictionary. This can only be used and spoken by someone that has been to the bar. Law has two offences which covers all things to do with the man/woman better known as GOD given law, common law , natural law etc. this covers two things only of which is everything. This is you will cause no harm or loss and nothing else. The other is statute, under admiralty law which is a law made by lawmakers under legalise and is against the person i.e. The persona of the man or as you should know the birth certificate of said persona. The person is the the said piece of paper which has your stock number on it and was registered, ( or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on) by your father after you where given birth too in the UK plc . To break the law, you must be judged to have caused harm or loss and you will be tried within crown court, as the man/woman by a barrister and judge who have been to the bar. This means they will speak in legalise and the judge will mediate and keep the jury informed of proceedings as they do not speak said language but the judge does having been to the bar him/her self. You do not break a law by speeding on a highway. As by speeding alone you have not caused harm or loss you have only broken a statute or bylaw which can be changed anytime by the government of the time i.e a 30mph zone becoming a 25mph zone etc. This in itself is a loophole which I think you don't realise. Most technicalities are used against police officers or a police man/women by either the defence or prosecution as a police officer or man/woman must under their contract know the difference between law and statute which is a sackable offence in statute if they admit to not knowing so this is how most persons or men/woman get off on a technicality . I hope this gives you a bit of an insight into how law, is stacked with loopholes which most men women or persons know nothing about, but and here's a cracking loophole. You have no defence as under statue ignorance of a law is no defence. Hope this helps but I would think it won't . My rant over. A lot of this does not make any sense logically, gramatically or practically. I hope nobody decides to rely on it as a defence when they have broken the law. A man/woman is not the same as a person under law or in life a person is the persona of the man/woman or as you would not and do not understand the birth certificate or as it really is the regesitration of birth given in to the UK plc if you would take time to find some of this out then you might learn something ." I would learn something if I did some research. I don't think I am going to learn anything from you. Some of what you say actually makes no sense at all and I believe a lot of the rest to be nonsense. | |||
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"Before making judgement, on loopholes, in as you say the, "law ". You first have to under stand what is law. Is it, law. As in : natural , GOD given, law of the land, admiralty, common or statute. Then, when you've worked out which one of these Laws, you've have broken. Then and then only can you find the loopholes, which are written in to these, using the other English language ,that you don't speak or read. It's called legalise and uses the blacks dictionary. This can only be used and spoken by someone that has been to the bar. Law has two offences which covers all things to do with the man/woman better known as GOD given law, common law , natural law etc. this covers two things only of which is everything. This is you will cause no harm or loss and nothing else. The other is statute, under admiralty law which is a law made by lawmakers under legalise and is against the person i.e. The persona of the man or as you should know the birth certificate of said persona. The person is the the said piece of paper which has your stock number on it and was registered, ( or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on) by your father after you where given birth too in the UK plc . To break the law, you must be judged to have caused harm or loss and you will be tried within crown court, as the man/woman by a barrister and judge who have been to the bar. This means they will speak in legalise and the judge will mediate and keep the jury informed of proceedings as they do not speak said language but the judge does having been to the bar him/her self. You do not break a law by speeding on a highway. As by speeding alone you have not caused harm or loss you have only broken a statute or bylaw which can be changed anytime by the government of the time i.e a 30mph zone becoming a 25mph zone etc. This in itself is a loophole which I think you don't realise. Most technicalities are used against police officers or a police man/women by either the defence or prosecution as a police officer or man/woman must under their contract know the difference between law and statute which is a sackable offence in statute if they admit to not knowing so this is how most persons or men/woman get off on a technicality . I hope this gives you a bit of an insight into how law, is stacked with loopholes which most men women or persons know nothing about, but and here's a cracking loophole. You have no defence as under statue ignorance of a law is no defence. Hope this helps but I would think it won't . My rant over. A lot of this does not make any sense logically, gramatically or practically. I hope nobody decides to rely on it as a defence when they have broken the law. A man/woman is not the same as a person under law or in life a person is the persona of the man/woman or as you would not and do not understand the birth certificate or as it really is the regesitration of birth given in to the UK plc if you would take time to find some of this out then you might learn something . I would learn something if I did some research. I don't think I am going to learn anything from you. Some of what you say actually makes no sense at all and I believe a lot of the rest to be nonsense." this.. | |||
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"Before making judgement, on loopholes, in as you say the, "law ". You first have to under stand what is law. Is it, law. As in : natural , GOD given, law of the land, admiralty, common or statute. Then, when you've worked out which one of these Laws, you've have broken. Then and then only can you find the loopholes, which are written in to these, using the other English language ,that you don't speak or read. It's called legalise and uses the blacks dictionary. This can only be used and spoken by someone that has been to the bar. Law has two offences which covers all things to do with the man/woman better known as GOD given law, common law , natural law etc. this covers two things only of which is everything. This is you will cause no harm or loss and nothing else. The other is statute, under admiralty law which is a law made by lawmakers under legalise and is against the person i.e. The persona of the man or as you should know the birth certificate of said persona. The person is the the said piece of paper which has your stock number on it and was registered, ( or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on) by your father after you where given birth too in the UK plc . To break the law, you must be judged to have caused harm or loss and you will be tried within crown court, as the man/woman by a barrister and judge who have been to the bar. This means they will speak in legalise and the judge will mediate and keep the jury informed of proceedings as they do not speak said language but the judge does having been to the bar him/her self. You do not break a law by speeding on a highway. As by speeding alone you have not caused harm or loss you have only broken a statute or bylaw which can be changed anytime by the government of the time i.e a 30mph zone becoming a 25mph zone etc. This in itself is a loophole which I think you don't realise. Most technicalities are used against police officers or a police man/women by either the defence or prosecution as a police officer or man/woman must under their contract know the difference between law and statute which is a sackable offence in statute if they admit to not knowing so this is how most persons or men/woman get off on a technicality . I hope this gives you a bit of an insight into how law, is stacked with loopholes which most men women or persons know nothing about, but and here's a cracking loophole. You have no defence as under statue ignorance of a law is no defence. Hope this helps but I would think it won't . My rant over. A lot of this does not make any sense logically, gramatically or practically. I hope nobody decides to rely on it as a defence when they have broken the law. A man/woman is not the same as a person under law or in life a person is the persona of the man/woman or as you would not and do not understand the birth certificate or as it really is the regesitration of birth given in to the UK plc if you would take time to find some of this out then you might learn something . I would learn something if I did some research. I don't think I am going to learn anything from you. Some of what you say actually makes no sense at all and I believe a lot of the rest to be nonsense. this.." Anything written in the language of the law is difficult to understand. But that doesn't mean that it isn't true. A lot of people, including me don't understand it, but I wouldn't discredit what he/she has written because of that lack of knowledge. At no point did this forumite suggest that we take their word as law or even suggest we try and use it in our own defence. They were, from what I have read, just passing on some info they have knowledge of. | |||
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"............. Anything written in the language of the law is difficult to understand. But that doesn't mean that it isn't true. A lot of people, including me don't understand it, but I wouldn't discredit what he/she has written because of that lack of knowledge. At no point did this forumite suggest that we take their word as law or even suggest we try and use it in our own defence. They were, from what I have read, just passing on some info they have knowledge of." Anything written in the language of bollox is difficult to understand. But that doesn't mean that it isn't bollox. | |||
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" Anything written in the language of bollox is difficult to understand. But that doesn't mean that it isn't bollox." anything badly written may reduce its significance, badly written either with an element of fact or bollocks is still just that.. delivery etc.. | |||
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"Before making judgement, on loopholes, in as you say the, "law ". You first have to under stand what is law. Is it, law. As in : natural , GOD given, law of the land, admiralty, common or statute. Then, when you've worked out which one of these Laws, you've have broken. Then and then only can you find the loopholes, which are written in to these, using the other English language ,that you don't speak or read. It's called legalise and uses the blacks dictionary. This can only be used and spoken by someone that has been to the bar. Law has two offences which covers all things to do with the man/woman better known as GOD given law, common law , natural law etc. this covers two things only of which is everything. This is you will cause no harm or loss and nothing else. The other is statute, under admiralty law which is a law made by lawmakers under legalise and is against the person i.e. The persona of the man or as you should know the birth certificate of said persona. The person is the the said piece of paper which has your stock number on it and was registered, ( or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on) by your father after you where given birth too in the UK plc . To break the law, you must be judged to have caused harm or loss and you will be tried within crown court, as the man/woman by a barrister and judge who have been to the bar. This means they will speak in legalise and the judge will mediate and keep the jury informed of proceedings as they do not speak said language but the judge does having been to the bar him/her self. You do not break a law by speeding on a highway. As by speeding alone you have not caused harm or loss you have only broken a statute or bylaw which can be changed anytime by the government of the time i.e a 30mph zone becoming a 25mph zone etc. This in itself is a loophole which I think you don't realise. Most technicalities are used against police officers or a police man/women by either the defence or prosecution as a police officer or man/woman must under their contract know the difference between law and statute which is a sackable offence in statute if they admit to not knowing so this is how most persons or men/woman get off on a technicality . I hope this gives you a bit of an insight into how law, is stacked with loopholes which most men women or persons know nothing about, but and here's a cracking loophole. You have no defence as under statue ignorance of a law is no defence. Hope this helps but I would think it won't . My rant over. A lot of this does not make any sense logically, gramatically or practically. I hope nobody decides to rely on it as a defence when they have broken the law. A man/woman is not the same as a person under law or in life a person is the persona of the man/woman or as you would not and do not understand the birth certificate or as it really is the regesitration of birth given in to the UK plc if you would take time to find some of this out then you might learn something . I would learn something if I did some research. I don't think I am going to learn anything from you. Some of what you say actually makes no sense at all and I believe a lot of the rest to be nonsense. this.. Anything written in the language of the law is difficult to understand. But that doesn't mean that it isn't true. A lot of people, including me don't understand it, but I wouldn't discredit what he/she has written because of that lack of knowledge. At no point did this forumite suggest that we take their word as law or even suggest we try and use it in our own defence. They were, from what I have read, just passing on some info they have knowledge of." It's not written in the language of the law, it's just supposed to sound as though it is. Some of it makes no sense in any version of English known to man. | |||
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"............. Anything written in the language of the law is difficult to understand. But that doesn't mean that it isn't true. A lot of people, including me don't understand it, but I wouldn't discredit what he/she has written because of that lack of knowledge. At no point did this forumite suggest that we take their word as law or even suggest we try and use it in our own defence. They were, from what I have read, just passing on some info they have knowledge of. Anything written in the language of bollox is difficult to understand. But that doesn't mean that it isn't bollox." | |||
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"As in : natural , GOD given, law of the land, admiralty, common or statute." God given law? Really??? "using the other English language ,that you don't speak or read. It's called legalise and uses the blacks dictionary." There is no language called "legalise". "Legalese" is a slang term to describe legal style writing. Black's Dictionary is an American legal dictionary. It's used in American courts. If a language cannot be written or spoken how is it a language, given that humans have yet to develop telepathy as standard? If it can't be written or spoken, how would it have a dictionary and why the absolute fuck would it need one? "This can only be used and spoken by someone that has been to the bar." Passing the bar qualifies a person to practice as a barrister. It does not suddenly confer upon a person an ability to read and understand legal terminology and law. It certainly does not suddenly make a person capable of understanding a fictional language called "legalise". Solicitors do not need to take the bar. They study, learn, understand and use the same legal terminology and law as a barrister. Mere mortals are capable of learning legal terminology and understanding law. Sometimes mere mortals actually represent themselves in courts. "Law has two offences which covers all things to do with the man/woman better known as GOD given law, common law , natural law etc. this covers two things only of which is everything." Again, there's no such thing as God given law. "only of which is everything" is a collection of English words. Arranged in that order they do not make sense and mean nothing. "The other is statute, under admiralty law which is a law made by lawmakers under legalise" Admiralty law is law specifically relating to maritime offences and matters. Statute law is legislation - laws drafted and passed by the government. "Legalise" I've already covered. I'll add that if Legalise were a language, as claimed, one does not create something "under" a language. " and is against the person i.e. The persona of the man or as you should know the birth certificate of said persona. The person is the the said piece of paper which has your stock number on it and was registered, ( or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on) by your father after you where given birth too in the UK plc ." This is so mixed up I don't even know where to begin. A human has an official identity conferred upon them when their birth is registered, that is true. However, statute law covers everybody in the country. It doesn't just relate to people born and registered in the UK. If a person does not have a UK birth certificate, does legislation (statute law) not appy to them? Can they do as they like with no fear of legal consequences? If the birth of a child in the UK was somehow not registered, would they not be bound by law? "(or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on)" - more nonsense. A birth certificate isn't given ownership of anything. He seems to be trying to say that the registration of a birth in the UK is the formal informing of the authorities of the existence of a new person. The issuing of a birth certificate confers upon the person a legal identity. What he's actually written is mostly complicated gobbledegook. "You do not break a law by speeding on a highway. As by speeding alone you have not caused harm or loss you have only broken a statute or bylaw" A statute refers to legislation which has been passed and therefore become law! Speed limits are not set by statute. The rules relating to obeying them are. I can't be arsed to go on. Conclusion: it's bollocks. Disclaimer: I am not a solicitor or barrister. I have no formal legal education. Some of what I have written may be technically incorrect. It's not as much bullshit as the post I'm commenting on though. | |||
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"k, I can't be arsed to pick this entire post apart but here are a few comments to defend my statement that this is nonsense. As in : natural , GOD given, law of the land, admiralty, common or statute. God given law? Really??? using the other English language ,that you don't speak or read. It's called legalise and uses the blacks dictionary. There is no language called "legalise". "Legalese" is a slang term to describe legal style writing. Black's Dictionary is an American legal dictionary. It's used in American courts. If a language cannot be written or spoken how is it a language, given that humans have yet to develop telepathy as standard? If it can't be written or spoken, how would it have a dictionary and why the absolute fuck would it need one? This can only be used and spoken by someone that has been to the bar. Passing the bar qualifies a person to practice as a barrister. It does not suddenly confer upon a person an ability to read and understand legal terminology and law. It certainly does not suddenly make a person capable of understanding a fictional language called "legalise". Solicitors do not need to take the bar. They study, learn, understand and use the same legal terminology and law as a barrister. Mere mortals are capable of learning legal terminology and understanding law. Sometimes mere mortals actually represent themselves in courts. Law has two offences which covers all things to do with the man/woman better known as GOD given law, common law , natural law etc. this covers two things only of which is everything. Again, there's no such thing as God given law. "only of which is everything" is a collection of English words. Arranged in that order they do not make sense and mean nothing. The other is statute, under admiralty law which is a law made by lawmakers under legalise Admiralty law is law specifically relating to maritime offences and matters. Statute law is legislation - laws drafted and passed by the government. "Legalise" I've already covered. I'll add that if Legalise were a language, as claimed, one does not create something "under" a language. and is against the person i.e. The persona of the man or as you should know the birth certificate of said persona. The person is the the said piece of paper which has your stock number on it and was registered, ( or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on) by your father after you where given birth too in the UK plc . This is so mixed up I don't even know where to begin. A human has an official identity conferred upon them when their birth is registered, that is true. However, statute law covers everybody in the country. It doesn't just relate to people born and registered in the UK. If a person does not have a UK birth certificate, does legislation (statute law) not appy to them? Can they do as they like with no fear of legal consequences? If the birth of a child in the UK was somehow not registered, would they not be bound by law? "(or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on)" - more nonsense. A birth certificate isn't given ownership of anything. He seems to be trying to say that the registration of a birth in the UK is the formal informing of the authorities of the existence of a new person. The issuing of a birth certificate confers upon the person a legal identity. What he's actually written is mostly complicated gobbledegook. You do not break a law by speeding on a highway. As by speeding alone you have not caused harm or loss you have only broken a statute or bylaw A statute refers to legislation which has been passed and therefore become law! Speed limits are not set by statute. The rules relating to obeying them are. I can't be arsed to go on. Conclusion: it's bollocks. Disclaimer: I am not a solicitor or barrister. I have no formal legal education. Some of what I have written may be technically incorrect. It's not as much bullshit as the post I'm commenting on though." Is it just me or do some people have a lot of spare time? | |||
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"Is it just me or do some people have a lot of spare time? " You have to be impressed at the effort. Some animals spend a whole day pissing on trees to mark their territory. | |||
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"k, I can't be arsed to pick this entire post apart but here are a few comments to defend my statement that this is nonsense. As in : natural , GOD given, law of the land, admiralty, common or statute. God given law? Really??? using the other English language ,that you don't speak or read. It's called legalise and uses the blacks dictionary. There is no language called "legalise". "Legalese" is a slang term to describe legal style writing. Black's Dictionary is an American legal dictionary. It's used in American courts. If a language cannot be written or spoken how is it a language, given that humans have yet to develop telepathy as standard? If it can't be written or spoken, how would it have a dictionary and why the absolute fuck would it need one? This can only be used and spoken by someone that has been to the bar. Passing the bar qualifies a person to practice as a barrister. It does not suddenly confer upon a person an ability to read and understand legal terminology and law. It certainly does not suddenly make a person capable of understanding a fictional language called "legalise". Solicitors do not need to take the bar. They study, learn, understand and use the same legal terminology and law as a barrister. Mere mortals are capable of learning legal terminology and understanding law. Sometimes mere mortals actually represent themselves in courts. Law has two offences which covers all things to do with the man/woman better known as GOD given law, common law , natural law etc. this covers two things only of which is everything. Again, there's no such thing as God given law. "only of which is everything" is a collection of English words. Arranged in that order they do not make sense and mean nothing. The other is statute, under admiralty law which is a law made by lawmakers under legalise Admiralty law is law specifically relating to maritime offences and matters. Statute law is legislation - laws drafted and passed by the government. "Legalise" I've already covered. I'll add that if Legalise were a language, as claimed, one does not create something "under" a language. and is against the person i.e. The persona of the man or as you should know the birth certificate of said persona. The person is the the said piece of paper which has your stock number on it and was registered, ( or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on) by your father after you where given birth too in the UK plc . This is so mixed up I don't even know where to begin. A human has an official identity conferred upon them when their birth is registered, that is true. However, statute law covers everybody in the country. It doesn't just relate to people born and registered in the UK. If a person does not have a UK birth certificate, does legislation (statute law) not appy to them? Can they do as they like with no fear of legal consequences? If the birth of a child in the UK was somehow not registered, would they not be bound by law? "(or given ownership of said persona under legalise and informed on)" - more nonsense. A birth certificate isn't given ownership of anything. He seems to be trying to say that the registration of a birth in the UK is the formal informing of the authorities of the existence of a new person. The issuing of a birth certificate confers upon the person a legal identity. What he's actually written is mostly complicated gobbledegook. You do not break a law by speeding on a highway. As by speeding alone you have not caused harm or loss you have only broken a statute or bylaw A statute refers to legislation which has been passed and therefore become law! Speed limits are not set by statute. The rules relating to obeying them are. I can't be arsed to go on. Conclusion: it's bollocks. Disclaimer: I am not a solicitor or barrister. I have no formal legal education. Some of what I have written may be technically incorrect. It's not as much bullshit as the post I'm commenting on though. Is it just me or do some people have a lot of spare time? " Yeah, I'm at a bit of a loose end today. I also took exception to the suggestion I said the post was bollocks because it was in legal parlance and I didn't understand it. Any lack of understanding is only due to it being badly written bollocks I'm merely demonstrating I can justify that conclusion. And I'm at a loose end. | |||
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"Is it just me or do some people have a lot of spare time? You have to be impressed at the effort. Some animals spend a whole day pissing on trees to mark their territory. Whereas this one just pissed on the badly written bullshit." You are to be commended for your effort. | |||
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"Is it just me or do some people have a lot of spare time? You have to be impressed at the effort. Some animals spend a whole day pissing on trees to mark their territory. Whereas this one just pissed on the badly written bullshit. You are to be commended for your effort." I admit, it's a bit sad and anal. I do have OCD though and an allergy to gobbledegook bullshit. If I declare something to be bollocks, I usually have something to base the claim on. I don't usually declare something to be bollocks because I don't understand it. I could have replied to the post above saying that my reason for declaring it bullshit is not because I don't understand it. However, I felt like proving the point. I'm in that sort of mood. So sue me | |||
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"Is it just me or do some people have a lot of spare time? You have to be impressed at the effort. Some animals spend a whole day pissing on trees to mark their territory. Whereas this one just pissed on the badly written bullshit. You are to be commended for your effort. I admit, it's a bit sad and anal. I do have OCD though and an allergy to gobbledegook bullshit. If I declare something to be bollocks, I usually have something to base the claim on. I don't usually declare something to be bollocks because I don't understand it. I could have replied to the post above saying that my reason for declaring it bullshit is not because I don't understand it. However, I felt like proving the point. I'm in that sort of mood. So sue me " Thank you for pointing out the BS. Sadly there are some people in the forum who actually believe what is written here so correction is necessary!! Can you believe that? Luckily, as a poster of questions on occasion, I have deduced those poor souls are far outweighed by those that cannot comprehend written English. This is demonstrated by their unerring ability to make comments unrelated to the original question. But it is all good fun on a cold wet winter's Sunday. | |||
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"Is it just me or do some people have a lot of spare time? You have to be impressed at the effort. Some animals spend a whole day pissing on trees to mark their territory. Whereas this one just pissed on the badly written bullshit. You are to be commended for your effort. I admit, it's a bit sad and anal. I do have OCD though and an allergy to gobbledegook bullshit. If I declare something to be bollocks, I usually have something to base the claim on. I don't usually declare something to be bollocks because I don't understand it. I could have replied to the post above saying that my reason for declaring it bullshit is not because I don't understand it. However, I felt like proving the point. I'm in that sort of mood. So sue me Thank you for pointing out the BS. Sadly there are some people in the forum who actually believe what is written here so correction is necessary!! Can you believe that? Luckily, as a poster of questions on occasion, I have deduced those poor souls are far outweighed by those that cannot comprehend written English. This is demonstrated by their unerring ability to make comments unrelated to the original question. But it is all good fun on a cold wet winter's Sunday. " Ah thread creep. It's one of those forum things. I post all sorts of random stuff sometimes because my brain runs off at odd tangents. I'm often guilty of being off topic. Or of perpetuating someone else being off topic. | |||
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"....... Thank you for pointing out the BS. Sadly there are some people in the forum who actually believe what is written here so correction is necessary!! Can you believe that? ........ " I doubt anyone actually believes much of what's written on the net, even if they've written it themselves. | |||
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". Like getting out of a speeding ticket for doing 120mph, when you know you were doing it, because the speed gun was a day out of calibration. You shouldn't celebrate that, you should be ashamed." Indeed why on earth was the officer was using a piece of out of calibration equipment? it demonstrates he has not carried out his inspection of his equipment and brings into question the rest of his gear and work. heh interstitially using out of cal equipment in my work unknowingly (ie you didn't check) = gross negligence and either final written or dismissal and if used knowingly (you couldn't be arsed to get it sorted before working) dismissal and potentially criminal charges. Although 120 can be perfectly safe depending on the conditions, i got pulled the other week for doing well over 120, but the situation/road changed and by the time he'd caught up an got his radar sorted I'd returned to the speed limit (below actually) because that was a safe speed to do in the new area. sticking ridgedly to speed limits (outside of pedestrian lethality in unavoidable collisions) doesn't really make anything safer or change/cause many accidents. iirc speed is only a controlling factor is about 10% of crashes. in fact low speeds such as the 20 zones are now being looked at as having actually caused more injuries and accidents because they require the driver to pay too much attention to his speed and not the world outside his little metal box. | |||
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