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"Out of all the bills and all the tax's, the TV license is the one I hate paying the most You should be able to get rid of BBC off your tv and then you shouldn't have to pay it" Covers the radio stations they offer us aswell. Theres some cool video's on youtube of people standing their ground against agents trying to collect licence fee's | |||
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"Out of all the bills and all the tax's, the TV license is the one I hate paying the most You should be able to get rid of BBC off your tv and then you shouldn't have to pay it" I like this idea. | |||
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"Out of all the bills and all the tax's, the TV license is the one I hate paying the most You should be able to get rid of BBC off your tv and then you shouldn't have to pay it Covers the radio stations they offer us aswell. Theres some cool video's on youtube of people standing their ground against agents trying to collect licence fee's" nowt more then hired goons. | |||
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" If the bedrooms are separate, lockable private dwellings, its the law unfortunately, however if you were housemates, ie not separate lockable "units, you would only pay one license." Yes unfortunately they are separate lockable rooms, just seems a diabolical liberty to me that's all | |||
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"We dont have one, dont intend to get one either. BBC can piss off!!" breaking the law is nothing to shout about! | |||
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"who was the wally that told them it was seperate dwellings, one house shared, 1 tv licence " I mut admit I was thinking the Sam as you | |||
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"Whee agree if one pays then all should pay, but can someone please answer me this. I have recently moved into a shared house, it has been converted into 5 bedrooms, and each room occupier shares the bathroom and kitchen facilities. Now on contacting the TV licensing people I was told I would have to pay the full £145.50 fee as do the other 4 occupies of the other rooms. Now come on wouldn't you consider that a bit excessive. I mean if the people next door, had a TV in both rooms down stairs and in all 3 bedrooms up stairs, and even a TV in the kitchen and bloody bathroom, my neighbour would only be liable for one fee of £145.50. So why in heavens name are they expecting £727.50 of us? If the bedrooms are separate, lockable private dwellings, its the law unfortunately, however if you were housemates, ie not separate lockable "units, you would only pay one license." It's not the law. There is no law regarding tv licences, it's the communications ACT, which only works if everyone agrees to it. | |||
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"Whee agree if one pays then all should pay, but can someone please answer me this. I have recently moved into a shared house, it has been converted into 5 bedrooms, and each room occupier shares the bathroom and kitchen facilities. Now on contacting the TV licensing people I was told I would have to pay the full £145.50 fee as do the other 4 occupies of the other rooms. Now come on wouldn't you consider that a bit excessive. I mean if the people next door, had a TV in both rooms down stairs and in all 3 bedrooms up stairs, and even a TV in the kitchen and bloody bathroom, my neighbour would only be liable for one fee of £145.50. So why in heavens name are they expecting £727.50 of us? If the bedrooms are separate, lockable private dwellings, its the law unfortunately, however if you were housemates, ie not separate lockable "units, you would only pay one license. It's not the law. There is no law regarding tv licences, it's the communications ACT, which only works if everyone agrees to it." if its not the law why can you be fined and get a prison sentence for not having one and using the equipment? | |||
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"Whee agree if one pays then all should pay, but can someone please answer me this. I have recently moved into a shared house, it has been converted into 5 bedrooms, and each room occupier shares the bathroom and kitchen facilities. Now on contacting the TV licensing people I was told I would have to pay the full £145.50 fee as do the other 4 occupies of the other rooms. Now come on wouldn't you consider that a bit excessive. I mean if the people next door, had a TV in both rooms down stairs and in all 3 bedrooms up stairs, and even a TV in the kitchen and bloody bathroom, my neighbour would only be liable for one fee of £145.50. So why in heavens name are they expecting £727.50 of us? If the bedrooms are separate, lockable private dwellings, its the law unfortunately, however if you were housemates, ie not separate lockable "units, you would only pay one license. It's not the law. There is no law regarding tv licences, it's the communications ACT, which only works if everyone agrees to it." an act is a law.defined as such An act of parliament creates a new law or changes an existing law. An act is a bill approved by both the house of commons and the house of lords and formally agreed to by the reigning monarch (known as royal assent). Once implementsd, an act is law and applies to the uk as a whole or to specific areas of the country. | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one" I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. | |||
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"Whee agree if one pays then all should pay, but can someone please answer me this. I have recently moved into a shared house, it has been converted into 5 bedrooms, and each room occupier shares the bathroom and kitchen facilities. Now on contacting the TV licensing people I was told I would have to pay the full £145.50 fee as do the other 4 occupies of the other rooms. Now come on wouldn't you consider that a bit excessive. I mean if the people next door, had a TV in both rooms down stairs and in all 3 bedrooms up stairs, and even a TV in the kitchen and bloody bathroom, my neighbour would only be liable for one fee of £145.50. So why in heavens name are they expecting £727.50 of us? If the bedrooms are separate, lockable private dwellings, its the law unfortunately, however if you were housemates, ie not separate lockable "units, you would only pay one license. It's not the law. There is no law regarding tv licences, it's the communications ACT, which only works if everyone agrees to it. if its not the law why can you be fined and get a prison sentence for not having one and using the equipment?" It IS the law. It's an Act of Parliament, passed by the House of Commons and the House of Lords. People might not like it but that's another matter. | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. " That's what a lot of people believe, | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. " And ............... "Watching TV on the internet You need to be covered by a licence if you watch TV online at the same time as it's being broadcast on conventional TV in the UK or the Channel Islands. Video recorders and digital recorders like Sky+ You need a licence if you record TV as it's broadcast, whether that's on a conventional video recorder or digital box. Mobile phones A licence covers you to watch TV as it's broadcast on a mobile phone, whether you're at home or out and about." | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. That's what a lot of people believe, " If they turn up at your home and you have a TV how do you prove to them you don't watch it? | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. That's what a lot of people believe, If they turn up at your home and you have a TV how do you prove to them you don't watch it?" You don't answer any questions loads on YouTube | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. That's what a lot of people believe, If they turn up at your home and you have a TV how do you prove to them you don't watch it?" They have to prove we are watching live tv. We don't Nothing to fear | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. That's what a lot of people believe, If they turn up at your home and you have a TV how do you prove to them you don't watch it? You don't answer any questions loads on YouTube " Sorry, can you say that again please? | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. " Not so! Their website states clearly tis only for if you're received programmes live as they're being streamed | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. That's what a lot of people believe, If they turn up at your home and you have a TV how do you prove to them you don't watch it?" They will tell you what you were watching , and what time . If you can afford a legal barrister team at say a grand a hour then go for it . they will waste thousands just to make a example of you . As for address , if its one dwelling then one licence is needed . if however its one house seperated legally into different dwellings then you all pay . As in a block of flats are one building but different dwellings . i pay for my cable tv and pay my licence fee . maybe brussels should spend some time on the legality of the licence fee instead of bent bananas | |||
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"I have a tv but don't watch tv, don't receive tv as no ariel/satellite so no need for a licence. it's just for dvds and Xbox atm" That is not technically true , son does the same . no licence fee is paid . Ask them to visit you . remove all you tv antenas firsty . with out those you can not recieve a signal | |||
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"I have a tv but don't watch tv, don't receive tv as no ariel/satellite so no need for a licence. it's just for dvds and Xbox atm That is not technically true , son does the same . no licence fee is paid . Ask them to visit you . remove all you tv antenas firsty . with out those you can not recieve a signal " I don't have any of those either. there's no way for me to get a signal. they can see that from the front of my house coz the cable has nothing attached. and where I live you really need a satellite to receive signal. reception is so crap | |||
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"Still the only country in the world in wich you can be imprisoned for watching state tv ! " Not being picky but you don't get locked up for not having a licence, but you can be if you don't pay the fine. | |||
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"I thought a licence was to cover a property not a person, so if the house has the same door number and post code surely a licence should cover every room?" I'd agree. | |||
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"I thought a licence was to cover a property not a person, so if the house has the same door number and post code surely a licence should cover every room? I'd agree." see above, if each person has a separate tenancy agreement, each person must have a license, I imagine each door rented is locked and has a number. | |||
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"Whee agree if one pays then all should pay, but can someone please answer me this. I have recently moved into a shared house, it has been converted into 5 bedrooms, and each room occupier shares the bathroom and kitchen facilities. Now on contacting the TV licensing people I was told I would have to pay the full £145.50 fee as do the other 4 occupies of the other rooms. Now come on wouldn't you consider that a bit excessive. I mean if the people next door, had a TV in both rooms down stairs and in all 3 bedrooms up stairs, and even a TV in the kitchen and bloody bathroom, my neighbour would only be liable for one fee of £145.50. So why in heavens name are they expecting £727.50 of us?" its the same for students even in halls of residence, you are not classed as living in a family home but as living in separate accommodations. | |||
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"Whee agree if one pays then all should pay, but can someone please answer me this. I have recently moved into a shared house, it has been converted into 5 bedrooms, and each room occupier shares the bathroom and kitchen facilities. Now on contacting the TV licensing people I was told I would have to pay the full £145.50 fee as do the other 4 occupies of the other rooms. Now come on wouldn't you consider that a bit excessive. I mean if the people next door, had a TV in both rooms down stairs and in all 3 bedrooms up stairs, and even a TV in the kitchen and bloody bathroom, my neighbour would only be liable for one fee of £145.50. So why in heavens name are they expecting £727.50 of us? its the same for students even in halls of residence, you are not classed as living in a family home but as living in separate accommodations." Whether you need a licence or not depends if you're living at home while you study, or if you've moved away. If you've moved, in most cases, you will need to buy a licence, because your parents' TV licence won't cover you unless your permanent registered address is with them. | |||
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"I have a tv but don't watch tv, don't receive tv as no ariel/satellite so no need for a licence. it's just for dvds and Xbox atm That is not technically true , son does the same . no licence fee is paid . Ask them to visit you . remove all you tv antenas firsty . with out those you can not recieve a signal " taken from tvlicensing.co.uk "The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders. You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD". hope that clears it up | |||
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"I lived in a flat for a year with no TV and the letters I got from TV licensing were close to harassment despite them being told several times I had did not have a TV ! " Same here. They wrote every month telling me what would happen when they took me to court. It was the letters that offered help to get legally licenced that pissed me off. As if I was too stupid to know if I needed a licence or not. | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. That's what a lot of people believe, If they turn up at your home and you have a TV how do you prove to them you don't watch it? They will tell you what you were watching , and what time . If you can afford a legal barrister team at say a grand a hour then go for it . they will waste thousands just to make a example of you . As for address , if its one dwelling then one licence is needed . if however its one house seperated legally into different dwellings then you all pay . As in a block of flats are one building but different dwellings . i pay for my cable tv and pay my licence fee . maybe brussels should spend some time on the legality of the licence fee instead of bent bananas " lol they cant tell anything. they can only prove if you tell them or admit it. i used to be a tv addict, wherever my life a tv screen had to follow, no one tells me especially a little box on the wall to sit down and watch something. i dont care if things are live. I do not set my life on what time a tv program is on. i have no need for a tv licence, why waste money??? | |||
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"Whee agree if one pays then all should pay, but can someone please answer me this. I have recently moved into a shared house, it has been converted into 5 bedrooms, and each room occupier shares the bathroom and kitchen facilities. Now on contacting the TV licensing people I was told I would have to pay the full £145.50 fee as do the other 4 occupies of the other rooms. Now come on wouldn't you consider that a bit excessive. I mean if the people next door, had a TV in both rooms down stairs and in all 3 bedrooms up stairs, and even a TV in the kitchen and bloody bathroom, my neighbour would only be liable for one fee of £145.50. So why in heavens name are they expecting £727.50 of us? its the same for students even in halls of residence, you are not classed as living in a family home but as living in separate accommodations." My hall of residence had one licence. It covered everybody living there. | |||
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"I have a tv but don't watch tv, don't receive tv as no ariel/satellite so no need for a licence. it's just for dvds and Xbox atm That is not technically true , son does the same . no licence fee is paid . Ask them to visit you . remove all you tv antenas firsty . with out those you can not recieve a signal I don't have any of those either. there's no way for me to get a signal. they can see that from the front of my house coz the cable has nothing attached. and where I live you really need a satellite to receive signal. reception is so crap" You can of course watch live TV through the Xbox with the signal coming over the broadband, TV licence actually is not just BBC, it's also the antenna and the radio frequencies used by all stations (though the commercial pay to use x frequency as well) | |||
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"The BBC is one of the best assets we still have that hasn't yet been sold off to a bunch of hedge fund bastards or a foreign government. Perhaps you people who object to paying the fee, but are probably in thrall to Mr Murdoch should take a look at what you actually watch. How much of it is imported for instance. How much of it on commercial channels is dumbed down. Now the BBC can also be guilty of this but it has the remit of a public service broadcaster to appeal to a mass audience. Commercial channels do it because they HAVE to, to provide the biggest audience for advertisers to sell their shit. And the license fee also goes on Channel 4 too as far as I'm aware. As well as subsidising Freeview and the Dave channel. Not to mention all the radio and local radio channels. Its huge. And as someone seemed to mention above, they believe that the BBC is somehow making money off the back of their license fee by selling shows abroad. This is true. But that money goes straight back into the pot. So its not like there's one bloke all that money is going to. So start paying your license fees instead of desperately trying to find loopholes to avoid paying. Because the conservatives would love to have sold it all off by now to their mates. It was only the phone hacking scandal that stoppedd it being broken up and sold to Sky during this parliment. Like the NHS and entire welfare system, you think you're hard up now, wait til the private sector owns everything. So pretty please, pay your fucking license fee. " Graham Norton takes over £2.5m each year in wages and royalties etc. The BBC recently paid out over £25m of our money to executives, they only had to pay £23m, just makes it even worse. Im not in thrail to Mr Murdoch - what that means or has to do with it, I dont have sky, or virgin, just a very shitty freeview box that can only pick up west country channels on, ie, I sit in my flat, in Cardiff having to watch the news in Bristol, Swindon and so on. (no Im not saying the BBC are to blame for this but it just adds to the frustration) | |||
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"The BBC is one of the best assets we still have that hasn't yet been sold off to a bunch of hedge fund bastards or a foreign government. Perhaps you people who object to paying the fee, but are probably in thrall to Mr Murdoch should take a look at what you actually watch. How much of it is imported for instance. How much of it on commercial channels is dumbed down. Now the BBC can also be guilty of this but it has the remit of a public service broadcaster to appeal to a mass audience. Commercial channels do it because they HAVE to, to provide the biggest audience for advertisers to sell their shit. And the license fee also goes on Channel 4 too as far as I'm aware. As well as subsidising Freeview and the Dave channel. Not to mention all the radio and local radio channels. Its huge. And as someone seemed to mention above, they believe that the BBC is somehow making money off the back of their license fee by selling shows abroad. This is true. But that money goes straight back into the pot. So its not like there's one bloke all that money is going to. So start paying your license fees instead of desperately trying to find loopholes to avoid paying. Because the conservatives would love to have sold it all off by now to their mates. It was only the phone hacking scandal that stoppedd it being broken up and sold to Sky during this parliment. Like the NHS and entire welfare system, you think you're hard up now, wait til the private sector owns everything. So pretty please, pay your fucking license fee. " the BBC is the biggest propaganda tool of the world. it has paedos in plain sight, they are playing up to the conservatives damning everything the nhs and the nurses have done. the bbc is utter tosh | |||
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"I have a tv but don't watch tv, don't receive tv as no ariel/satellite so no need for a licence. it's just for dvds and Xbox atm That is not technically true , son does the same . no licence fee is paid . Ask them to visit you . remove all you tv antenas firsty . with out those you can not recieve a signal I don't have any of those either. there's no way for me to get a signal. they can see that from the front of my house coz the cable has nothing attached. and where I live you really need a satellite to receive signal. reception is so crap You can of course watch live TV through the Xbox with the signal coming over the broadband, TV licence actually is not just BBC, it's also the antenna and the radio frequencies used by all stations (though the commercial pay to use x frequency as well)" forgot to mention I don't have internet either. just my phone | |||
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"The BBC is one of the best assets we still have that hasn't yet been sold off to a bunch of hedge fund bastards or a foreign government. Perhaps you people who object to paying the fee, but are probably in thrall to Mr Murdoch should take a look at what you actually watch. How much of it is imported for instance. How much of it on commercial channels is dumbed down. Now the BBC can also be guilty of this but it has the remit of a public service broadcaster to appeal to a mass audience. Commercial channels do it because they HAVE to, to provide the biggest audience for advertisers to sell their shit. And the license fee also goes on Channel 4 too as far as I'm aware. As well as subsidising Freeview and the Dave channel. Not to mention all the radio and local radio channels. Its huge. And as someone seemed to mention above, they believe that the BBC is somehow making money off the back of their license fee by selling shows abroad. This is true. But that money goes straight back into the pot. So its not like there's one bloke all that money is going to. So start paying your license fees instead of desperately trying to find loopholes to avoid paying. Because the conservatives would love to have sold it all off by now to their mates. It was only the phone hacking scandal that stoppedd it being broken up and sold to Sky during this parliment. Like the NHS and entire welfare system, you think you're hard up now, wait til the private sector owns everything. So pretty please, pay your fucking license fee. the BBC is the biggest propaganda tool of the world. it has paedos in plain sight, they are playing up to the conservatives damning everything the nhs and the nurses have done. the bbc is utter tosh" It's no time at all since the BBC was being accused of being a lefty hideaway. What's changed? Chris Patten. | |||
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"The BBC is one of the best assets we still have that hasn't yet been sold off to a bunch of hedge fund bastards or a foreign government. Perhaps you people who object to paying the fee, but are probably in thrall to Mr Murdoch should take a look at what you actually watch. How much of it is imported for instance. How much of it on commercial channels is dumbed down. Now the BBC can also be guilty of this but it has the remit of a public service broadcaster to appeal to a mass audience. Commercial channels do it because they HAVE to, to provide the biggest audience for advertisers to sell their shit. And the license fee also goes on Channel 4 too as far as I'm aware. As well as subsidising Freeview and the Dave channel. Not to mention all the radio and local radio channels. Its huge. And as someone seemed to mention above, they believe that the BBC is somehow making money off the back of their license fee by selling shows abroad. This is true. But that money goes straight back into the pot. So its not like there's one bloke all that money is going to. So start paying your license fees instead of desperately trying to find loopholes to avoid paying. Because the conservatives would love to have sold it all off by now to their mates. It was only the phone hacking scandal that stoppedd it being broken up and sold to Sky during this parliment. Like the NHS and entire welfare system, you think you're hard up now, wait til the private sector owns everything. So pretty please, pay your fucking license fee. the BBC is the biggest propaganda tool of the world. it has paedos in plain sight, they are playing up to the conservatives damning everything the nhs and the nurses have done. the bbc is utter tosh It's no time at all since the BBC was being accused of being a lefty hideaway. What's changed? Chris Patten." i think they play to anyones agenda whoever pays the right money. whether it be syria, palestine, the nhs etc etc | |||
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"The BBC is one of the best assets we still have that hasn't yet been sold off to a bunch of hedge fund bastards or a foreign government. Perhaps you people who object to paying the fee, but are probably in thrall to Mr Murdoch should take a look at what you actually watch. How much of it is imported for instance. How much of it on commercial channels is dumbed down. Now the BBC can also be guilty of this but it has the remit of a public service broadcaster to appeal to a mass audience. Commercial channels do it because they HAVE to, to provide the biggest audience for advertisers to sell their shit. And the license fee also goes on Channel 4 too as far as I'm aware. As well as subsidising Freeview and the Dave channel. Not to mention all the radio and local radio channels. Its huge. And as someone seemed to mention above, they believe that the BBC is somehow making money off the back of their license fee by selling shows abroad. This is true. But that money goes straight back into the pot. So its not like there's one bloke all that money is going to. So start paying your license fees instead of desperately trying to find loopholes to avoid paying. Because the conservatives would love to have sold it all off by now to their mates. It was only the phone hacking scandal that stoppedd it being broken up and sold to Sky during this parliment. Like the NHS and entire welfare system, you think you're hard up now, wait til the private sector owns everything. So pretty please, pay your fucking license fee. the BBC is the biggest propaganda tool of the world. it has paedos in plain sight, they are playing up to the conservatives damning everything the nhs and the nurses have done. the bbc is utter tosh It's no time at all since the BBC was being accused of being a lefty hideaway. What's changed? Chris Patten. i think they play to anyones agenda whoever pays the right money. whether it be syria, palestine, the nhs etc etc" he who pays the piper calls the tune. The bbc is now and always will be influenced by whomever holds power and influence in whitehall and westminster. | |||
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"Just spoke to a friend of mine who lives in sheltered housing, a complex of some 30 or so purpose built separately secured dwellings. One TV licence for the whole complex " "Sheltered accommodation" As a manager of sheltered accommodation, you need to make sure that your organisation is covered by a valid TV Licence if residents watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV. This includes the use of devices such as a TV, computer, mobile phone, games console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder. The management of the sheltered accommodation is responsible for ensuring that a valid TV Licence covers all communal areas. It costs £145.50 for colour and £49.00 for a black and white TV Licence. Residents need a separate licence for their own living area. However, sheltered accommodation may qualify for the Accommodation for Residential Care (ARC) scheme. This may entitle residents to a reduced fee TV Licence of £7.50. There is also a free Over 75 ARC licence available if any of your residents are over 75 and don’t already have one. | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. " No. Just for live bbc channels, including radio stations. I dnt waych tv at all, we jus use tv for dvds, i dnt listen to bbc radio, and hav an exemption letter. | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. That's what a lot of people believe, If they turn up at your home and you have a TV how do you prove to them you don't watch it? They will tell you what you were watching , and what time . If you can afford a legal barrister team at say a grand a hour then go for it . they will waste thousands just to make a example of you . As for address , if its one dwelling then one licence is needed . if however its one house seperated legally into different dwellings then you all pay . As in a block of flats are one building but different dwellings . i pay for my cable tv and pay my licence fee . maybe brussels should spend some time on the legality of the licence fee instead of bent bananas " You need a TV Licence if... You watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - online, on a TV, or on any device (even a laptop) This is the case whatever device you use – whether a laptop, PC, mobile phone, games console, digital box, VHS/DVD recorder or anything else. It also includes programmes you watch online at the same time as they’re being shown on TV, for example live sport. (However, if your mobile device isn’t plugged in, you’ll still be covered by your parents’ licence.) And you live in halls of residence Your hall probably has a licence covering communal areas but you’ll also need to be covered for your room. Or you live in a shared house If there’s a joint tenancy agreement for the whole house, you may only need one licence. However, you may need your own licence if your accommodation is self-contained – i.e. you have exclusive access to washing facilities or you have your own entrance to the property. If you’re not sure whether or not you need one, please contact us. If you have a separate tenancy agreement for your room, you’ll need to be covered by a separate licence. | |||
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"I have a tv but don't watch tv, don't receive tv as no ariel/satellite so no need for a licence. it's just for dvds and Xbox atm That is not technically true , son does the same . no licence fee is paid . Ask them to visit you . remove all you tv antenas firsty . with out those you can not recieve a signal I don't have any of those either. there's no way for me to get a signal. they can see that from the front of my house coz the cable has nothing attached. and where I live you really need a satellite to receive signal. reception is so crap You can of course watch live TV through the Xbox with the signal coming over the broadband, TV licence actually is not just BBC, it's also the antenna and the radio frequencies used by all stations (though the commercial pay to use x frequency as well) forgot to mention I don't have internet either. just my phone " and there it is they have you, mobile fones are covered by tv licensing.... you clearly live in your own home lol so that gives them a billing address....and have internet access or you would not be here (access via mobile devices need a licence...fones tablets etc).... sorry you req a TV Licence. As my understanding has it....even the BLIND reg a licence | |||
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"I have a tv but don't watch tv, don't receive tv as no ariel/satellite so no need for a licence. it's just for dvds and Xbox atm That is not technically true , son does the same . no licence fee is paid . Ask them to visit you . remove all you tv antenas firsty . with out those you can not recieve a signal I don't have any of those either. there's no way for me to get a signal. they can see that from the front of my house coz the cable has nothing attached. and where I live you really need a satellite to receive signal. reception is so crap You can of course watch live TV through the Xbox with the signal coming over the broadband, TV licence actually is not just BBC, it's also the antenna and the radio frequencies used by all stations (though the commercial pay to use x frequency as well) forgot to mention I don't have internet either. just my phone and there it is they have you, mobile fones are covered by tv licensing.... you clearly live in your own home lol so that gives them a billing address....and have internet access or you would not be here (access via mobile devices need a licence...fones tablets etc).... sorry you req a TV Licence. As my understanding has it....even the BLIND reg a licence " Only if watching bbc live!!! Or they wouldnt of given me an exemption letter..... | |||
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"Out of all the bills and all the tax's, the TV license is the one I hate paying the most You should be able to get rid of BBC off your tv and then you shouldn't have to pay it Covers the radio stations they offer us aswell. Theres some cool video's on youtube of people standing their ground against agents trying to collect licence fee's" It also covers Dave as well as the bbc's | |||
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"I say get rid of the TV License and make it pay for view or put advertising on it. I do not see why I have to pay for something I do not watch or listen to on the radio side of. It is big fat rip of to keep the fat cats in jobs with big pay outs. " You don't have to pay for it. Just don't have any of the equipment that the license covers and you're sorted. | |||
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" If the bedrooms are separate, lockable private dwellings, its the law unfortunately, however if you were housemates, ie not separate lockable "units, you would only pay one license. Yes unfortunately they are separate lockable rooms, just seems a diabolical liberty to me that's all" Are the addressed differently like room a and so forth | |||
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"I say get rid of the TV License and make it pay for view or put advertising on it. I do not see why I have to pay for something I do not watch or listen to on the radio side of. It is big fat rip of to keep the fat cats in jobs with big pay outs. You don't have to pay for it. Just don't have any of the equipment that the license covers and you're sorted. " I have sky and watch a sky and the other channels like history so I have to have one foe something I do not watch. | |||
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"I say get rid of the TV License and make it pay for view or put advertising on it. I do not see why I have to pay for something I do not watch or listen to on the radio side of. It is big fat rip of to keep the fat cats in jobs with big pay outs. You don't have to pay for it. Just don't have any of the equipment that the license covers and you're sorted. I have sky and watch a sky and the other channels like history so I have to have one foe something I do not watch. " Then the odds are that you are watching content that has been part funded by the license fee. Whether you know it or not. The BBC is such a big force in tv production worldwide that chances are over the last year you have watched something that the BBC has had a hand in. Thus you should be paying for it. | |||
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"The BBC takes 50+ years to suss out a paedophile in its ranks but only takes a few weeks to see if someone has a license or not. It's a propaganda organisation to feed the masses what the elite want them to hear. People should have a choice if they want to watch/hear the biased shite that is broadcast by this state loudspeaker. Apart from highly paid celebs and executives the BBC regional offices are in some of the most exclusive areas of the country. With so much choice on what is available to watch out there the sooner the BBC is got rid of or privatised the better it is for the nation. It's a load of bollox that broadcasts a load of bollox. " | |||
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"Yes you are paying twice. What's the basic sky package these days, £15 a month? So should the bbc be ripped apart as you seem to want, do you think that figure will go up or down??? See my comment earlier on energy prices. Dont know where your are going with the NRA thing. " £22.50 I think. It's been a while since it was £15. The top one, which includes the HD channels is £32 IIRC Movies is £16. | |||
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"Load of people not buying license now, I don't watch live tv so don't need one I believe if you own a television, weather or not you watch live tv, you are required to have a license. No. Just for live bbc channels, including radio stations. I dnt waych tv at all, we jus use tv for dvds, i dnt listen to bbc radio, and hav an exemption letter." It doesn't include radio stations. Just TV. | |||
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"The licence covers you for equipment capable of receiving broadcasts whether you have an antenna sky dish or set top box. You may connect your games console or video player to a monitor(must not have a tv tuner)to play films or games but if your console can stream broadcasts you must buy a licence." Incorrect. If you do not watch TV as it is being broadcast, you do not need a licence. | |||
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"I have a tv but don't watch tv, don't receive tv as no ariel/satellite so no need for a licence. it's just for dvds and Xbox atm That is not technically true , son does the same . no licence fee is paid . Ask them to visit you . remove all you tv antenas firsty . with out those you can not recieve a signal I don't have any of those either. there's no way for me to get a signal. they can see that from the front of my house coz the cable has nothing attached. and where I live you really need a satellite to receive signal. reception is so crap You can of course watch live TV through the Xbox with the signal coming over the broadband, TV licence actually is not just BBC, it's also the antenna and the radio frequencies used by all stations (though the commercial pay to use x frequency as well) forgot to mention I don't have internet either. just my phone and there it is they have you, mobile fones are covered by tv licensing.... you clearly live in your own home lol so that gives them a billing address....and have internet access or you would not be here (access via mobile devices need a licence...fones tablets etc).... sorry you req a TV Licence. As my understanding has it....even the BLIND reg a licence " Only if they actually watch TV as it is being broadcast. You do not need a licence to own a phone, or a set top box, or a TV. You only need a licence if you use a device - any device - to watch TV as it is being broadcast. If you watch stuff later via iplayer you do not need a licence. | |||
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"I say get rid of the TV License and make it pay for view or put advertising on it. I do not see why I have to pay for something I do not watch or listen to on the radio side of. It is big fat rip of to keep the fat cats in jobs with big pay outs. You don't have to pay for it. Just don't have any of the equipment that the license covers and you're sorted. " The licence doesn't cover equipment. It is needed only if you watch television as it is being broadcast. You can own 1000 TVs but as long as you don't watch TV on them, you don't need a licence. You | |||
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"I told the BBC to feck off! Just stream everything 1 hour later.no need for a license then. And its legal!" Yes my son does the same and i am told its legal. He's also in Exeter | |||
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"Content that other channels have paid to have on their channels so why do I have to pay two times then? Not like the BBC is not biased at all or anything. Funny how people cannot say that pens at football ground where due to violence of football fans. But you can blame the NRA for all the killing by guns in the USA? " If you watch (or record) TV - any TV, not just BBC channels - as it is being broadcast, you need a TV licence. Yes, even for Sky channels. | |||
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"I'm sorry but as far as Im aware the BBC has always given a rough ride to politcians of any side when needed. And as Onny said the right accuse it of being lefty and vice versa. Paxman, Humphries, Dimbleby, all seem to stick the boot in when someone is clearly a lying arse. So whay do you avoiders think will happen if the BBC is scrapped and sold off, just so you can save less than £150 a year? I'm prerty sure you'll find that you'll end up paying SKY or Netflix more than that figure for a lot worse quality and service. Don't believe me? Think I'm talking crap? Thought so, lets have your retort. How's your energy bill doing at the moment by the way?" *round of applause* Ruby x | |||
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"Whee agree if one pays then all should pay, but can someone please answer me this. I have recently moved into a shared house, it has been converted into 5 bedrooms, and each room occupier shares the bathroom and kitchen facilities. Now on contacting the TV licensing people I was told I would have to pay the full £145.50 fee as do the other 4 occupies of the other rooms. Now come on wouldn't you consider that a bit excessive. I mean if the people next door, had a TV in both rooms down stairs and in all 3 bedrooms up stairs, and even a TV in the kitchen and bloody bathroom, my neighbour would only be liable for one fee of £145.50. So why in heavens name are they expecting £727.50 of us? its the same for students even in halls of residence, you are not classed as living in a family home but as living in separate accommodations." Also the same for service personnel living in the block. May share shower toilet etc etc but still need a TV licence | |||
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"If your home has an installed TV aerial of any kind you have to pay. This includes a satellite dish and Set top Aerials as well." Source please? I don't believe that is true. | |||
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"The BBC takes 50+ years to suss out a paedophile in its ranks but only takes a few weeks to see if someone has a license or not. " This is quite far out there... First off, the BBC are a Programme making and broadcasting company, the Police force catch paedophiles. Blaming the BBC for the behaviour of one of it's contractors is akin to accusing the gas board for supplying fuel to all types of crooks. Secondly the BBC do not collect the TV License fee, that's a separate agency that collects the money takes it's cut and hands the rest to the government, some of that is then handed to the BBC. | |||
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"The best place to find out about TV Licence law is http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/ If you say do you not watch live TV or do not have a TV you will get a visit from the TV licence people. They class that an aerial or satellite dish is part of the television receiving equipment. Even if you do not have a TV in the place. They say it is very easy to just hook up an TV to a aerial or satellite dish and therefore complete an installation of a television receiver. Good luck arguing with them. " Show me where on their site it says you have to have a licence if you have an aerial. You don't. Only if you use the aerial to watch or record TV. | |||
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"I'm happy to pay for non-commercial TV. I can remember visiting Canada, where it's all cable, and the amount of shit on there was amazing (this was before BBC America), with adverts every 10 minutes. As it's considerably less money per month than other bills I'll cope." ^This | |||
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"The BBC takes 50+ years to suss out a paedophile in its ranks but only takes a few weeks to see if someone has a license or not. This is quite far out there... First off, the BBC are a Programme making and broadcasting company, the Police force catch paedophiles. Blaming the BBC for the behaviour of one of it's contractors is akin to accusing the gas board for supplying fuel to all types of crooks. Secondly the BBC do not collect the TV License fee, that's a separate agency that collects the money takes it's cut and hands the rest to the government, some of that is then handed to the BBC." Yes it is a program maker but it don't mean it should turn a blind eye to wrong doings by one of its own. Police only act when they become aware of a crime committed. And yes they don't collect payments for licenses, Capita does...but your point is? Rather have the choice if I think it's worth spending money on something I need or want. It's a bit like saying only Npower can supply your gas at the price THEY want when you have the choice to buy cheaper from British Gas. | |||
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"The best place to find out about TV Licence law is http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/ If you say do you not watch live TV or do not have a TV you will get a visit from the TV licence people. They class that an aerial or satellite dish is part of the television receiving equipment. Even if you do not have a TV in the place. They say it is very easy to just hook up an TV to a aerial or satellite dish and therefore complete an installation of a television receiver. Good luck arguing with them. Show me where on their site it says you have to have a licence if you have an aerial. You don't. Only if you use the aerial to watch or record TV." Like I said good luck arguing that point with the TV Licence people. You need a TV licence to install or use Television equipment. This includes watching or recording live TV. Here are some FOI on the legal framework. It does not have all of them . http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-framework-AB16/ | |||
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"The best place to find out about TV Licence law is http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/ If you say do you not watch live TV or do not have a TV you will get a visit from the TV licence people. They class that an aerial or satellite dish is part of the television receiving equipment. Even if you do not have a TV in the place. They say it is very easy to just hook up an TV to a aerial or satellite dish and therefore complete an installation of a television receiver. Good luck arguing with them. Show me where on their site it says you have to have a licence if you have an aerial. You don't. Only if you use the aerial to watch or record TV. Like I said good luck arguing that point with the TV Licence people. You need a TV licence to install or use Television equipment. This includes watching or recording live TV. Here are some FOI on the legal framework. It does not have all of them . http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-framework-AB16/ " I have argued the point with them. Successfully. Their own information is clear. You do not need a TV licence to be able to watch TV, only if you actually watch it. The onus is on them to prove you watch TV. That you can is not relevant. See my comment above about getting a warrant. | |||
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"I suppose they could scrap the annual fee and just stick it in with general taxation. That'd mean those on benefits or seriously low incomes wouldn't pay at all. Would that be better?" On some planets maybe. On earth, especially here,they would be shot by those on their high horses. | |||
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"Yes it is a program maker but it don't mean it should turn a blind eye to wrong doings by one of its own. Police only act when they become aware of a crime committed. And yes they don't collect payments for licenses, Capita does...but your point is? Rather have the choice if I think it's worth spending money on something I need or want. It's a bit like saying only Npower can supply your gas at the price THEY want when you have the choice to buy cheaper from British Gas. " You missed the point, he was reported to the Police more than once, and the police dropped the enquiries.. it's not the BBC's fault, look to the Police and the fans who made him appear untouchable. Plus you admit that it's not the BBC that collects the license fee, but claim it's them that are quick to act when you don't pay it... All completely irrelevant arguments to your actual point that you don't want to pay the TV License as you want cable TV instead (sky doesn't count it still uses radio bandwidth) you buy your gas from National Grid PLC without complaint, doesn't matter which company you pay your bill to the pipeline belongs to National Grid PLC. The radio bandwidth belongs to the government and they get to charge you for the privilege of living in this country in many ways, one of which is the TV license. | |||
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"You are right about the warrant. But they can if they wish place a TV detector van in the area and use that to see if anyone in the area is watching live TV that does not have a licence, they can even tell what channel you are watching. Once they have reasonable proof you are breaking the law they can then get a warrant. A lot of the time they will send a letter threatening to take you to court. At the end of the day it comes down to will they push the point and get a van out. You are one of the lucky ones that they did not push the point with. I know of a number of case they have pushed the point and won. If you are breaking the law are you willing to risk it. The law says use or install remember. They say that it is a reasonable assumption that if you have a TV and an Ariel or satellite dish you are using it to watch live TV. But off hand I do not know of any case they taken to court and won. The cost of going to court is a lot after all, even if they do file it is to try and scare you into paying. Remember what they tell to you face and what law is it not always the same. Tenement house is the worse for TV it can be hard to pin point what side of a wall the TV is on. There is at least one case of them getting a warrant and getting the cops to bust the door down only to fine no TV in the place. The TV they pick up was on a joining wall. It is up to you if you take the risk even if you not breaking the law. " I wasn't lucky at all. I had a TV and I had an aerial. The two were not connected and I did not watch TV. They could have sat outside with a detector van for an entire year and still wouldn't have had any grounds to get a warrant or take me to court. Just having a TV and an aerial does not mean you need a licence. You have to actually use them. And for a warrant they have to provide strong evidence for believing you watch live TV without a licence. For a prosecution they need to prove you actually did watch live TV without a licence. | |||
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"I haven't had a TV for about 30 years, why would anyone want to waste precious time watching how other people live their lives," No, just come in here and read about it instead | |||
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"We dont have one, dont intend to get one either. BBC can piss off!! breaking the law is nothing to shout about!" And with that kind of thinking we'd still have the poll tax | |||
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"You are right about the warrant. But they can if they wish place a TV detector van in the area and use that to see if anyone in the area is watching live TV that does not have a licence, they can even tell what channel you are watching. Once they have reasonable proof you are breaking the law they can then get a warrant. A lot of the time they will send a letter threatening to take you to court. At the end of the day it comes down to will they push the point and get a van out. You are one of the lucky ones that they did not push the point with. I know of a number of case they have pushed the point and won. If you are breaking the law are you willing to risk it. The law says use or install remember. They say that it is a reasonable assumption that if you have a TV and an Ariel or satellite dish you are using it to watch live TV. But off hand I do not know of any case they taken to court and won. The cost of going to court is a lot after all, even if they do file it is to try and scare you into paying. Remember what they tell to you face and what law is it not always the same. Tenement house is the worse for TV it can be hard to pin point what side of a wall the TV is on. There is at least one case of them getting a warrant and getting the cops to bust the door down only to fine no TV in the place. The TV they pick up was on a joining wall. It is up to you if you take the risk even if you not breaking the law. " Lol detector vans were a con and blatant scaremongering It was just gullible people being scared into paying by bullies | |||
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"Yes it is a program maker but it don't mean it should turn a blind eye to wrong doings by one of its own. Police only act when they become aware of a crime committed. And yes they don't collect payments for licenses, Capita does...but your point is? Rather have the choice if I think it's worth spending money on something I need or want. It's a bit like saying only Npower can supply your gas at the price THEY want when you have the choice to buy cheaper from British Gas. You missed the point, he was reported to the Police more than once, and the police dropped the enquiries.. it's not the BBC's fault, look to the Police and the fans who made him appear untouchable. Plus you admit that it's not the BBC that collects the license fee, but claim it's them that are quick to act when you don't pay it... All completely irrelevant arguments to your actual point that you don't want to pay the TV License as you want cable TV instead (sky doesn't count it still uses radio bandwidth) you buy your gas from National Grid PLC without complaint, doesn't matter which company you pay your bill to the pipeline belongs to National Grid PLC. The radio bandwidth belongs to the government and they get to charge you for the privilege of living in this country in many ways, one of which is the TV license." I'm saying I should have the choice if I WANT It. But your just going on about its this and its that.. And NOT everyone watches dramas or even TV for that matter. As for Jimmy Saville that's a can of worms and would go off topic... YES living in this Country is a privilege because it gives you above all freedom of choice. In this day and age BBC is out of touch because there is so much more out there. As for the radio bandwith thing... Well they sold everything else might as well give this away too. But that won't happen because the market is competitive and too many fat cats would not be happy. Given the choice many would opt out TV licence fee. Do you get it now? | |||
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"You are right about the warrant. But they can if they wish place a TV detector van in the area and use that to see if anyone in the area is watching live TV that does not have a licence, they can even tell what channel you are watching. Once they have reasonable proof you are breaking the law they can then get a warrant. A lot of the time they will send a letter threatening to take you to court. At the end of the day it comes down to will they push the point and get a van out. You are one of the lucky ones that they did not push the point with. I know of a number of case they have pushed the point and won. If you are breaking the law are you willing to risk it. The law says use or install remember. They say that it is a reasonable assumption that if you have a TV and an Ariel or satellite dish you are using it to watch live TV. But off hand I do not know of any case they taken to court and won. The cost of going to court is a lot after all, even if they do file it is to try and scare you into paying. Remember what they tell to you face and what law is it not always the same. Tenement house is the worse for TV it can be hard to pin point what side of a wall the TV is on. There is at least one case of them getting a warrant and getting the cops to bust the door down only to fine no TV in the place. The TV they pick up was on a joining wall. It is up to you if you take the risk even if you not breaking the law. I wasn't lucky at all. I had a TV and I had an aerial. The two were not connected and I did not watch TV. They could have sat outside with a detector van for an entire year and still wouldn't have had any grounds to get a warrant or take me to court. Just having a TV and an aerial does not mean you need a licence. You have to actually use them. And for a warrant they have to provide strong evidence for believing you watch live TV without a licence. For a prosecution they need to prove you actually did watch live TV without a licence." The key here is to get a conviction they have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. If you are charged you will be interviewed and you have the right to say nothing at all. But the court can draw inference from this. So in the case of say the Tenement house above saying that you do not use to watch live TV is not a good one at all or saying nothing at all. As for a warrant what the law says and what happens is not the same. Also it is only a reasonable expectation of find evidence a named crime they need. anyway peace | |||
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"Given the choice many would opt out TV licence fee. Do you get it now? " Yup I do get it, and yup you have the choice to opt out, just don't receive any TV signals that are transmitted by radio waves, some on here do and therefore have opted out, but it is the minority. even fewer have opted out completely, they watch non live instead, which would not exist if it wasn't for those that have chosen to pay. and weirdly enough if it wasn't for the BBC we would not have mobile phones working on 3G or 4G, so no smart phones accessing FAB, but that's another direction | |||
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" I'm saying I should have the choice if I WANT It. But your just going on about its this and its that.. And NOT everyone watches dramas or even TV for that matter. As for Jimmy Saville that's a can of worms and would go off topic... YES living in this Country is a privilege because it gives you above all freedom of choice. In this day and age BBC is out of touch because there is so much more out there. As for the radio bandwith thing... Well they sold everything else might as well give this away too. But that won't happen because the market is competitive and too many fat cats would not be happy. Given the choice many would opt out TV licence fee. Do you get it now? " Can you justify what you said about the bbc being out of touch for me please? Multiple tv and radio channels catering for every taste. A pioneering and extremely popular tv catchup service. Seems pretty cutting edge to me. And bits of bandwidth are regularly auctioned off. 4G for example. Nowt to do with fat cats. It's how new services are provided. You do have a choice. You can stop paying if you want and just pay SKY 50% more per year. Then deal with the licensing agency as needed. | |||
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"Given the choice many would opt out TV licence fee. Do you get it now? Yup I do get it, and yup you have the choice to opt out, just don't receive any TV signals that are transmitted by radio waves, some on here do and therefore have opted out, but it is the minority. even fewer have opted out completely, they watch non live instead, which would not exist if it wasn't for those that have chosen to pay. and weirdly enough if it wasn't for the BBC we would not have mobile phones working on 3G or 4G, so no smart phones accessing FAB, but that's another direction " Many don't know you can opt out. Some can't be bothered. Many don't care. Many countries around the world provide the same services we get here so saying because of BBC we get everything is rather ridiculous. You wanna pay for it you go ahead. But don't mean just because YOU do then everyone else should. Blame the government for allowing a loop hole where many can opt out. Or contact your MP and raise the issue. | |||
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"You are right about the warrant. But they can if they wish place a TV detector van in the area and use that to see if anyone in the area is watching live TV that does not have a licence, they can even tell what channel you are watching. Once they have reasonable proof you are breaking the law they can then get a warrant. A lot of the time they will send a letter threatening to take you to court. At the end of the day it comes down to will they push the point and get a van out. You are one of the lucky ones that they did not push the point with. I know of a number of case they have pushed the point and won. If you are breaking the law are you willing to risk it. The law says use or install remember. They say that it is a reasonable assumption that if you have a TV and an Ariel or satellite dish you are using it to watch live TV. But off hand I do not know of any case they taken to court and won. The cost of going to court is a lot after all, even if they do file it is to try and scare you into paying. Remember what they tell to you face and what law is it not always the same. Tenement house is the worse for TV it can be hard to pin point what side of a wall the TV is on. There is at least one case of them getting a warrant and getting the cops to bust the door down only to fine no TV in the place. The TV they pick up was on a joining wall. It is up to you if you take the risk even if you not breaking the law. I wasn't lucky at all. I had a TV and I had an aerial. The two were not connected and I did not watch TV. They could have sat outside with a detector van for an entire year and still wouldn't have had any grounds to get a warrant or take me to court. Just having a TV and an aerial does not mean you need a licence. You have to actually use them. And for a warrant they have to provide strong evidence for believing you watch live TV without a licence. For a prosecution they need to prove you actually did watch live TV without a licence. The key here is to get a conviction they have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. If you are charged you will be interviewed and you have the right to say nothing at all. But the court can draw inference from this. So in the case of say the Tenement house above saying that you do not use to watch live TV is not a good one at all or saying nothing at all. As for a warrant what the law says and what happens is not the same. Also it is only a reasonable expectation of find evidence a named crime they need. anyway peace " They can't prove beyond reasonable doubt something that hasn't happened. Why would I say nothing? I'd say I don't watch TV. They would have to prove I do, which they couldn't. Remember I've been in this situation. I was doing nothing wrong. I was entirely up front with them and after huffing and puffing a bit they did accept it. They have enough cases that they can prove to bother with the ones that will be defended and which they can't prove. That's what it comes down to. If you're doing nothing wrong, tell them you won't be intimidated or bulied. Having a TV and an aerial, in itself, is not grounds for needing a TV licence. If they aren't connected and aren't used then no licence is needed. Courts don't tend to like "but they could be" as an argument. | |||
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"You wanna pay for it you go ahead. But don't mean just because YOU do then everyone else should." If you watch live TV then yes, you should pay for a licence. Have I missed someone suggesting that people who don't watch TV should buy a licence? That would be silly. I don't think anyone is suggesting everyone should have a license, just those who watch live TV. Choosing not to watch live TV is not so much "opting out" as making a choice which means a licence isn't needed. Not driving isn't "opting out" of needing a driving licence. | |||
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" I'm saying I should have the choice if I WANT It. But your just going on about its this and its that.. And NOT everyone watches dramas or even TV for that matter. As for Jimmy Saville that's a can of worms and would go off topic... YES living in this Country is a privilege because it gives you above all freedom of choice. In this day and age BBC is out of touch because there is so much more out there. As for the radio bandwith thing... Well they sold everything else might as well give this away too. But that won't happen because the market is competitive and too many fat cats would not be happy. Given the choice many would opt out TV licence fee. Do you get it now? Can you justify what you said about the bbc being out of touch for me please? Multiple tv and radio channels catering for every taste. A pioneering and extremely popular tv catchup service. Seems pretty cutting edge to me. And bits of bandwidth are regularly auctioned off. 4G for example. Nowt to do with fat cats. It's how new services are provided. You do have a choice. You can stop paying if you want and just pay SKY 50% more per year. Then deal with the licensing agency as needed. " Out of touch as in there is too much competition for it to realistically compete with and not much to offer against its competitors. Yes it caters for many tastes. But again with these modern times you have an even bigger choice. BBC might be up to tech with modern times but in the real world it wouldn't last unless it had the billions paid on TV rights. It would cost too much. Too be honest hardly ever watch TV. As for BBC not really a soap or drama fans here. There's hardly any sport on there compared to Sky etc and as for everything else... like I said you have so much more choice out there. | |||
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"I told the BBC to feck off! Just stream everything 1 hour later.no need for a license then. And its legal!" Sad really as even if any equipment you have p.c or otherwise I beleive you still have to pay well sorry I dont watch t.v as stoped some time ago when I found out I was paying for repeats of most things so told them to sod off | |||
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" Too be honest hardly ever watch TV. As for BBC not really a soap or drama fans here. There's hardly any sport on there compared to Sky etc and as for everything else... like I said you have so much more choice out there. " I don't understand what you mean here. You need a licence to watch any TV channel, including satellite and cable, not just BBC channels. | |||
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"I have no objection to the concept of a tv licence, be glad we have the BBC frankly tv would nosedive in quality without it whatever it's imperfections. However, I object to it's nonpayment constituting a criminal offence. It is not a 'tax' as such therefore should be treated as a civil matter IMO, as utility bills are." I agree on the criminal matter, broadcast transmission is effectively the 4th Utility company, and the very first to be privatised. So it's an antiquated privatised tax system, it's criminal as it was a tax and they never thought it through at the time, Just a fluke that modern life made bandwidth probably as valuable as water (though obviously not as necessary, or as expensive) I am sure that when it was first handed over to the BBC to manage on behalf of the government they never had a clue as to how quickly it would develop, and what the usage would be just a few decades later. | |||
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" Too be honest hardly ever watch TV. As for BBC not really a soap or drama fans here. There's hardly any sport on there compared to Sky etc and as for everything else... like I said you have so much more choice out there. I don't understand what you mean here. You need a licence to watch any TV channel, including satellite and cable, not just BBC channels. " Don't understand what? I was pointing out why I think BBC not worth it. I never said you don't need a license. Of course it's the law. That's why everyone pays it. But don't mean the law can't or should not be changed. | |||
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" Too be honest hardly ever watch TV. As for BBC not really a soap or drama fans here. There's hardly any sport on there compared to Sky etc and as for everything else... like I said you have so much more choice out there. I don't understand what you mean here. You need a licence to watch any TV channel, including satellite and cable, not just BBC channels. Don't understand what? I was pointing out why I think BBC not worth it. I never said you don't need a license. Of course it's the law. That's why everyone pays it. But don't mean the law can't or should not be changed. " The licence fee doesn't fund just the BBC TV channels though. You're saying because you don't watch/listen to anything the licence fee is used to fund, you shouldn't pay it? | |||
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"Theres very little choice out there, and the BBC isnt just soap and dramas. Thats a very blinkered view. Theres just as much of both on commercial tv. If not more because its good for drawing in audience for adverts. In fact the biggest drama of recent years, Downton, was on ITV. But for original telly you can't beat it. Simply because commercial telly will not take risks commissioning new shows that might not work, because it upsets advertisers. So you get derivatives of the same old shit. So it might not have the money to buy big sporting events, but thats down to greed on the part of the clubs, fuelled by the amount stupid people are willing to pay to see someone throw a ball. The license fee is one tax I'm happy to pay. " Almost everyone pays for bandwith when you use mobiles Internet etc. But that is an individual choice if one wants it or not. But with the Beeb you got no choice. It might be better quality but that's easy to implement when you have a monopoly and your revenue is from Hobson Choice. It's a tax that was needed years ago. So much has changed just past couple of decades. Just because people are willing to pay to watch sport don't make them stupid. Even that is a blinkered view. PS: By fat cats I meant the over paid celebs and executives not people who would manage it as a business. | |||
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"....... Just because people are willing to pay to watch sport don't make them stupid. Even that is a blinkered view. ........ " It's a bit surprising the BBC hasn't realised some people are prepared to pay £ silly for certain sports and found a way to milk that cow. | |||
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" Too be honest hardly ever watch TV. As for BBC not really a soap or drama fans here. There's hardly any sport on there compared to Sky etc and as for everything else... like I said you have so much more choice out there. I don't understand what you mean here. You need a licence to watch any TV channel, including satellite and cable, not just BBC channels. Don't understand what? I was pointing out why I think BBC not worth it. I never said you don't need a license. Of course it's the law. That's why everyone pays it. But don't mean the law can't or should not be changed. The licence fee doesn't fund just the BBC TV channels though. You're saying because you don't watch/listen to anything the licence fee is used to fund, you shouldn't pay it?" Never said it does. Again. Of course it should be paid. You missed the bit where I said it was law and should be paid. Yes license fee covers other things too. But a big fat chunk goes to BBC. | |||
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"....... Just because people are willing to pay to watch sport don't make them stupid. Even that is a blinkered view. ........ It's a bit surprising the BBC hasn't realised some people are prepared to pay £ silly for certain sports and found a way to milk that cow." Because it would cost too much? And with no ads Aunty will be dead and buried in 2 seasons. | |||
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"....... Just because people are willing to pay to watch sport don't make them stupid. Even that is a blinkered view. ........ It's a bit surprising the BBC hasn't realised some people are prepared to pay £ silly for certain sports and found a way to milk that cow. Because it would cost too much? And with no ads Aunty will be dead and buried in 2 seasons. " The BBC already covers bits of Formula1, Wimbledon, the Olympics etc, next years World Cup ? and hands them out to UK licence fee payers for free. There's money to be made there. | |||
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"....... Just because people are willing to pay to watch sport don't make them stupid. Even that is a blinkered view. ........ It's a bit surprising the BBC hasn't realised some people are prepared to pay £ silly for certain sports and found a way to milk that cow. Because it would cost too much? And with no ads Aunty will be dead and buried in 2 seasons. The BBC already covers bits of Formula1, Wimbledon, the Olympics etc, next years World Cup ? and hands them out to UK licence fee payers for free. There's money to be made there." That's why it should be privatised and let the consumer make the choice. | |||
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"BBC world service is invaluble to ours troops. Even happier to pay now " There's something very reassuring being on the wrong side of the world and (back then) hearing Lillibulero on the World Service. | |||
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"That's why it should be privatised and let the consumer make the choice. " What choice? A large part of the income from the BBC through license and foreign sales of top gear etc. pays for Digital TV, i.e. ALL channels except Sky. so without it what is the choice if you happen not to live in a city with cable? You can have Sky...or nothing! We have digital T.V. because it uses less bandwidth than the old analogue TV (that's broadcast bandwidth nothing to do with internet connections) despite being able to carry more channels, the part that was made available by this change is what was sold off to make mobile internet and phones work. | |||
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"That's why it should be privatised and let the consumer make the choice. What choice? A large part of the income from the BBC through license and foreign sales of top gear etc. pays for Digital TV, i.e. ALL channels except Sky. so without it what is the choice if you happen not to live in a city with cable? You can have Sky...or nothing! We have digital T.V. because it uses less bandwidth than the old analogue TV (that's broadcast bandwidth nothing to do with internet connections) despite being able to carry more channels, the part that was made available by this change is what was sold off to make mobile internet and phones work. " Choice of whether you want to subscribe to the BBC! And it's NOT just 'Sky or nothing'. BT has also invested millions to join the bandwagon. BBC is a three legged horse in the TV stakes and the ONLY reason it has lasted so long is because it's enforced by law. There should be some sort of enforcement to use broadcast bandwith minus the fat cheque for the BBC. Would never dispute that. But some would happily watch everything privatised from utilities to prisons to even NHS but when it comes to the biggest pile of shit we have then it's a oh fuck no. It's quality and no ads and blah blah blah. You couldn't make it up even if it hit you in the face. | |||
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