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"Also in the depot where I work at night there's something not right when in my van doing paperwork see people walking round the yard outta the corner of my eye freaks me right out " Should set up a camera and see what you get! | |||
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"Also in the depot where I work at night there's something not right when in my van doing paperwork see people walking round the yard outta the corner of my eye freaks me right out Should set up a camera and see what you get!" Yeah like to find out if there is anything there every time I see them move outta the corner of my I I turn and look but they gone | |||
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"Also in the depot where I work at night there's something not right when in my van doing paperwork see people walking round the yard outta the corner of my eye freaks me right out Should set up a camera and see what you get! Yeah like to find out if there is anything there every time I see them move outta the corner of my I I turn and look but they gone " Let us know the results! I might leave a camera on while I go out as I caught a voice recording of my wardrobe doors being slammed shut so shall see what results I get! | |||
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"YES ! I'd tell you why bit it would go on n on.,. X" I'd be happy to know xxx | |||
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"YES ! I'd tell you why bit it would go on n on.,. X I'd be happy to know xxx" Me too! Xxx | |||
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"I ain't affraid of no ghost " Haha this!! | |||
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"Are ghosts, goblins, fairies and unicorns camera-shy or just figments of the imagination when we are scared? The choice is yours." | |||
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"Are ghosts, goblins, fairies and unicorns camera-shy or just figments of the imagination when we are scared? The choice is yours. " If the supernatural does exist, then why would it have to comply with things like cameras? It already would be existing on levels we don't comprehend. Seems a silly argument. | |||
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"No, I'm totally sceptical about any phenomena like this. However, one of my fantasies is to go to the local hospital at midnight dressed as the Grim Reaper and to stand at the end of people's beds and just point. I want to see how many wards I can do before I get thrown out. " Tina I'm shocked lol D x | |||
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"YES ! I'd tell you why bit it would go on n on.,. X" same answer here too | |||
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"So where’s all the cat and dog ghosts and the hamster and the gerbil ghosts and where’s all the cows and the sheep ghosts and the chicken’s ghosts and the bird ghosts and the fish ghosts and where’s all the spider and the fly ghosts ,,,,eh? " You are forgetting that these creatures don't have an imagination, can't read books and never watch a load of shit on TV !! | |||
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"So where’s all the cat and dog ghosts and the hamster and the gerbil ghosts and where’s all the cows and the sheep ghosts and the chicken’s ghosts and the bird ghosts and the fish ghosts and where’s all the spider and the fly ghosts ,,,,eh? You are forgetting that these creatures don't have an imagination, can't read books and never watch a load of shit on TV !! " You clearly have never had a dog or cat. They love TV | |||
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"So where’s all the cat and dog ghosts and the hamster and the gerbil ghosts and where’s all the cows and the sheep ghosts and the chicken’s ghosts and the bird ghosts and the fish ghosts and where’s all the spider and the fly ghosts ,,,,eh? You are forgetting that these creatures don't have an imagination " With what authority do you make that statement….?. | |||
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"Scientists are using quantum physics to prove the exhistence of ghosts. I once saw a discussion on the television about it. They compared it to listening to a radio. They said if you're listening to a station (Radio 1 for example) but then tune to a different station (Talksport for example) you no longer hear Radio 1, but that does not mean it's no longer there. Obviously it is, but you're tuned to a different frequency so can't hear it. In short, they're saying when your physical body dies your spirit leaves it and occupies another frequency that humans can't detect. There are supposed time, frequency and dimension slips which permit glances of entities. Like when you see something out of the corner of your eye, but when you look directly there's nothing there. " But seeing as no one can prove that we have a spirit this argument is flawed. Where do animal spirits go? Oh and bacteria? Or is it just the case that humans are special? | |||
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"I will use a simple method of describing what happens when you die with the help of Arnold Schwarzenegger. In the terminator film when they think theyve finally killed the terminator you see the light in his eyes go out. This is what happens when you die, everything switches off for good, no life no spirit no nothing. You are dead, non living , an ex alive person, finished, popped your clogs etc etc " Based on factual or just your opinion? | |||
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" In the terminator film when they think theyve finally killed the terminator you see the light in his eyes go out. This is what happens when you die, everything switches off for good, no life no spirit no nothing. You are dead, non living , an ex alive person, finished, popped your clogs etc etc " I totally shared that view for 54 yrs, absolutely and without question.. provable science based fact and clear physical evidence was what I based my personal and many aspects of my professional life on.. I didn't scoff at others who had their views, I just didn't know any different and hadn't had any experience to think otherwise.. since a complete stranger described something in detail to me which occurred over ten yrs ago, which only the OH was aware of I am more inclined to think that there are things that we don't know.. | |||
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"I like this report...... Dr Richard Wiseman, a psychologist from the University of Hertfordshire, is arguably the country's top ghostbuster. In 2003, following extensive research, Dr Wiseman concluded that ghosts were not real, and that people were merely responding to environmental clues such as light, temperature, or sounds at a frequency so low they are not detectable by the human ear but can be felt by the body. Dr Wiseman likens our belief in ghosts to being "a bit like American wrestling": we know it's claptrap, but we rather enjoy it anyway...... " Top Ghostbuster too right it's arguable, Im voting for Evett Fielding | |||
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" In the terminator film when they think theyve finally killed the terminator you see the light in his eyes go out. This is what happens when you die, everything switches off for good, no life no spirit no nothing. You are dead, non living , an ex alive person, finished, popped your clogs etc etc I totally shared that view for 54 yrs, absolutely and without question.. provable science based fact and clear physical evidence was what I based my personal and many aspects of my professional life on.. I didn't scoff at others who had their views, I just didn't know any different and hadn't had any experience to think otherwise.. since a complete stranger described something in detail to me which occurred over ten yrs ago, which only the OH was aware of I am more inclined to think that there are things that we don't know.." That has nothing to do with ghosts or spirits, We are all connected, to each other, sharing 98% DNA, And we are all connected to the akashic records, so all information is available, when you know how to connect to it. | |||
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" In the terminator film when they think theyve finally killed the terminator you see the light in his eyes go out. This is what happens when you die, everything switches off for good, no life no spirit no nothing. You are dead, non living , an ex alive person, finished, popped your clogs etc etc I totally shared that view for 54 yrs, absolutely and without question.. provable science based fact and clear physical evidence was what I based my personal and many aspects of my professional life on.. I didn't scoff at others who had their views, I just didn't know any different and hadn't had any experience to think otherwise.. since a complete stranger described something in detail to me which occurred over ten yrs ago, which only the OH was aware of I am more inclined to think that there are things that we don't know.. That has nothing to do with ghosts or spirits, We are all connected, to each other, sharing 98% DNA, And we are all connected to the akashic records, so all information is available, when you know how to connect to it." That the experience was 'ghostly' never entered my mind, spiritual perhaps.. not au fait with what you refer to.. will google it.. | |||
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"I will use a simple method of describing what happens when you die with the help of Arnold Schwarzenegger. In the terminator film when they think theyve finally killed the terminator you see the light in his eyes go out. This is what happens when you die, everything switches off for good, no life no spirit no nothing. You are dead, non living , an ex alive person, finished, popped your clogs etc etc " For me that's the overwhelming feeling when you watch somebody die, especially the young..the light going out of their eyes, non seeing and lifeless. Of all the living beings on our planet the human race is the only species cognisant with our own and others mortality. How we deal with this is of course a personal choice. Mine is to accept the the inevitably of my own death and that of loved ones by cherishing what life gives to me now. | |||
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"What I don't get is how skeptics try to claim how we should have evidence by now etc.. etc.. and try to put such phenomena in a context that we understand. It doesn't have to comply to anything we understand. It already is in itself something we don't understand, if it exists, so why would it have to be able to be caught on camera or by modern technology? 300 years ago there was tons of stuff we couldn't do that we can now and if someone told them about some of these things, for the very same reason that because it wasn't proven you wouldn't believe it, they would be skeptics. It's quite existentialist to believe that if 'ghosts' did exist we should be able to record them with modern technology because we are so clever and together.. Hypothetically, we could develop technology to record such phenomena in 50 years, or in 300 years, or we might never, but why do we have to already have this technology now? It's a funny way of assessing in my opinion. " Humans only see a small part of the electromagnetic spectrum (visible light) and can only hear a narrow band of frequencies, so if we are able to see and hear ghosts/spirits/whatever then surely our technology which can "see" a much wider spectrum than us and "hear" frequencies well out of our range of hearing should be able to pick these things up. | |||
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"Im quite a logical person I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in? I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up" I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about? As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife. Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right? | |||
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"Im quite a logical person I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in? I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about? As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife. Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right? " I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan as for why I can't consider believing in thing's that are yet to be proven, as far as ghosts go my answer is this, we are born to reproduce and die, once we have died we have served our purpose so why would we hang about in the form of a ghost? to my mind there's just no reason for this to happen | |||
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" I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan " I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe. | |||
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"Im quite a logical person I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in? I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about? As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife. Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right? I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan as for why I can't consider believing in thing's that are yet to be proven, as far as ghosts go my answer is this, we are born to reproduce and die, once we have died we have served our purpose so why would we hang about in the form of a ghost? to my mind there's just no reason for this to happen " - Why 'ghosts'? Why do you have to associate it to the afterlife in particular. Could be a sort of parallel existence like plants or animals. - How do you know what our purpose is and that it being fulfilled relies solely on what we already know?? | |||
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"I've not seen a ghost but when a 3 year old comes running into the kitchen from the living room, asking her mother why the white lady, she was talking to disappeared through the ceiling, it does make you wonder " It was a three year old! That should explain it sufficiently. | |||
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"I've not seen a ghost but when a 3 year old comes running into the kitchen from the living room, asking her mother why the white lady, she was talking to disappeared through the ceiling, it does make you wonder It was a three year old! That should explain it sufficiently. " there speaks a closed mind | |||
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"Im quite a logical person I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in? I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about? As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife. Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right? " But science doesn't work like that..science doesn't prove things, the scientific method sets out to disprove theories, postulates, and if it can't, that is the state of knowledge at that time. As we stand, evidence for the existence of super natural events has not survived the rigour of the scientific method. | |||
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" I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe. " google it it will save me typing | |||
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" I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe. google it it will save me typing " They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform. | |||
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" I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe. google it it will save me typing They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform." ^this. Hydrocarbons and other organic molecules, possibly even amino acids. Pretty far from proof of life and /or fossils. I thought I'd missed a massive discovery for a minute. | |||
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"And if so, have you ever had any supernatural experiences?" No, but have seen two ghosts, who saved mine and another persons life. Also used to regularly see and hear the approach of a light in a remote farm house, never anything there, just ignored it in the end. But decided I choose not to believe in them. | |||
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"I've not seen a ghost but when a 3 year old comes running into the kitchen from the living room, asking her mother why the white lady, she was talking to disappeared through the ceiling, it does make you wonder It was a three year old! That should explain it sufficiently. there speaks a closed mind " What, cause 3 year olds never make stuff up? I'm far from having a closed mind. Want to talk about M theory and twelve dimensional space, let's do that but want to talk about astrology/ghosts/psychics/runes and all that other bullshit that people claim to have an "open mind" about, that's not open that's ridiculous. | |||
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" I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe. google it it will save me typing They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform." Aside from us potentially having originated from Mars also (look it up ), my point was more to do with whether you would believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms based on our own existence and how statistically there would be other life in terms of probability.. | |||
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"I've not seen a ghost but when a 3 year old comes running into the kitchen from the living room, asking her mother why the white lady, she was talking to disappeared through the ceiling, it does make you wonder It was a three year old! That should explain it sufficiently. there speaks a closed mind What, cause 3 year olds never make stuff up? I'm far from having a closed mind. Want to talk about M theory and twelve dimensional space, let's do that but want to talk about astrology/ghosts/psychics/runes and all that other bullshit that people claim to have an "open mind" about, that's not open that's ridiculous. " I like you! | |||
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" I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe. google it it will save me typing They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform. Aside from us potentially having originated from Mars also (look it up ), my point was more to do with whether you would believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms based on our own existence and how statistically there would be other life in terms of probability.. " I made a rather lengthy post explaining my beliefs | |||
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"I've not seen a ghost but when a 3 year old comes running into the kitchen from the living room, asking her mother why the white lady, she was talking to disappeared through the ceiling, it does make you wonder It was a three year old! That should explain it sufficiently. there speaks a closed mind What, cause 3 year olds never make stuff up? I'm far from having a closed mind. Want to talk about M theory and twelve dimensional space, let's do that but want to talk about astrology/ghosts/psychics/runes and all that other bullshit that people claim to have an "open mind" about, that's not open that's ridiculous. I like you! " Ha ha, at least someone does! | |||
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" I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe. google it it will save me typing They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform. Aside from us potentially having originated from Mars also (look it up ), my point was more to do with whether you would believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms based on our own existence and how statistically there would be other life in terms of probability.. " I'm also not arrogant enough to believe that we're the only life forms in the Universe, it's pure vastness would suggest the existence of planets a similar distance from a life-sustaining star as our sun that would support life of some kind. | |||
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"I'm far from having a closed mind. Want to talk about M theory and twelve dimensional space, let's do that but want to talk about " Hang on I though I was doing well to be able to see the logic of a Feynman diagram, think 12 dimensions would explode my 3 dimensional brain... but if we could see it it may explain lots of weird stuff that is hard to put a nail in. | |||
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" I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe. google it it will save me typing They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform. Aside from us potentially having originated from Mars also (look it up ), my point was more to do with whether you would believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms based on our own existence and how statistically there would be other life in terms of probability.. I'm also not arrogant enough to believe that we're the only life forms in the Universe, it's pure vastness would suggest the existence of planets a similar distance from a life-sustaining star as our sun that would support life of some kind." Well, Kepler has found a bunch of potentially earth like planets in a tiny segment of the sky, when extrapolated out that means there could be as many as 3 billion earth like planets in our galaxy alone! | |||
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"I'm far from having a closed mind. Want to talk about M theory and twelve dimensional space, let's do that but want to talk about Hang on I though I was doing well to be able to see the logic of a Feynman diagram, think 12 dimensions would explode my 3 dimensional brain... but if we could see it it may explain lots of weird stuff that is hard to put a nail in." There are either 4,5,6,10,11,12 or 26 dimensions depending in which version of string or M theory you subscribe to. I don't claim to even begin to understand most of it but it is very interesting. | |||
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" I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe. google it it will save me typing They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform. Aside from us potentially having originated from Mars also (look it up ), my point was more to do with whether you would believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms based on our own existence and how statistically there would be other life in terms of probability.. I'm also not arrogant enough to believe that we're the only life forms in the Universe, it's pure vastness would suggest the existence of planets a similar distance from a life-sustaining star as our sun that would support life of some kind. Well, Kepler has found a bunch of potentially earth like planets in a tiny segment of the sky, when extrapolated out that means there could be as many as 3 billion earth like planets in our galaxy alone! " We must be the galaxy's equivalent of Swindon then, explains why no one comes to visit. The rest of them are probably having inter-galactic Olympic games and tea parties while we carry on fucking things up! | |||
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"There are either 4,5,6,10,11,12 or 26 dimensions depending in which version of string or M theory you subscribe to. I don't claim to even begin to understand most of it but it is very interesting. " It is, and I can get a handle on 5.. struggle to work the maths behind 6 but that is about the limit of my capacity to follow the books, I simply can't contain enough information in my brain to start calculating 10+ so I am waiting for someone clever enough not only to understand it but show it clearly as well. | |||
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"Im quite a logical person I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in? I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about? As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife. Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right? But science doesn't work like that..science doesn't prove things, the scientific method sets out to disprove theories, postulates, and if it can't, that is the state of knowledge at that time. As we stand, evidence for the existence of super natural events has not survived the rigour of the scientific method. " Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time. Why it's important to believe in some things science has proven and others science has not proven. You have your own mind to do this with! I don't mean you in particular, I mean in general, people.. As for the supernatural and where it stands in terms of science. As I said before, it's possible that it might be something that we can't prove. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like all the new species discovered on a daily basis while others are being extinct etc.. | |||
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" Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time. Why it's important to believe in some things science has proven and others science has not proven. You have your own mind to do this with! I don't mean you in particular, I mean in general, people.. As for the supernatural and where it stands in terms of science. As I said before, it's possible that it might be something that we can't prove. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like all the new species discovered on a daily basis while others are being extinct etc.. " Science strives to disprove itself, that's the whole point! The only way to learn the truth is to test hypotheses. Our current understanding about how things work is undoubtably wrong but it provides us with the best explanation we have. There is a vast difference between something which is unexplained and something supernatural. | |||
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"We must be the galaxy's equivalent of Swindon then, explains why no one comes to visit. The rest of them are probably having inter-galactic Olympic games and tea parties while we carry on fucking things up!" IF the big bang theory is correct, and IF evolution is a constant, there is no reason to suspect that there is any interstellar transport systems anywhere yet. But there is good reason to consider that no other planet would have a Greek culture, and a suitable mountain named Olympus | |||
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"Im quite a logical person I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in? I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about? As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife. Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right? But science doesn't work like that..science doesn't prove things, the scientific method sets out to disprove theories, postulates, and if it can't, that is the state of knowledge at that time. As we stand, evidence for the existence of super natural events has not survived the rigour of the scientific method. Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time. Why it's important to believe in some things science has proven and others science has not proven. You have your own mind to do this with! I don't mean you in particular, I mean in general, people.. As for the supernatural and where it stands in terms of science. As I said before, it's possible that it might be something that we can't prove. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like all the new species discovered on a daily basis while others are being extinct etc.. " With respect I think you are have the wrong understanding of how science works..science doesn't set out prove anything, it simply functions to help understand where our knowledge of the physical world is at any given time. Technology, the application of science, is where' proof' is. Science hasn't proven that Gods don't exist, or Santa Claus, or the tooth fairy, but at this moment in time there appears to be no scientific evidence supporting their exsistence | |||
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"Im quite a logical person I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in? I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about? As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife. Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right? But science doesn't work like that..science doesn't prove things, the scientific method sets out to disprove theories, postulates, and if it can't, that is the state of knowledge at that time. As we stand, evidence for the existence of super natural events has not survived the rigour of the scientific method. Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time. Why it's important to believe in some things science has proven and others science has not proven. You have your own mind to do this with! I don't mean you in particular, I mean in general, people.. As for the supernatural and where it stands in terms of science. As I said before, it's possible that it might be something that we can't prove. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like all the new species discovered on a daily basis while others are being extinct etc.. With respect I think you are have the wrong understanding of how science works..science doesn't set out prove anything, it simply functions to help understand where our knowledge of the physical world is at any given time. Technology, the application of science, is where' proof' is. Science hasn't proven that Gods don't exist, or Santa Claus, or the tooth fairy, but at this moment in time there appears to be no scientific evidence supporting their exsistence " Of course I know that science is about bettering our understanding and not to prove things for the sake of it. And so just because we don't have an understanding of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist?! There is that saying, to paraphrase, "People fear what they don't understand". Applicable to things like the supernatural and why people are conditioned not to believe it as something possible. Also, scientific research is funded in part for what will potentially be something that the funders can capitalise on. The supernatural is not so interesting in this case. | |||
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" Of course I know that science is about bettering our understanding and not to prove things for the sake of it. And so just because we don't have an understanding of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist?! There is that saying, to paraphrase, "People fear what they don't understand". Applicable to things like the supernatural and why people are conditioned not to believe it as something possible. Also, scientific research is funded in part for what will potentially be something that the funders can capitalise on. The supernatural is not so interesting in this case. " Not true. There is a lot of "blue sky" research going on. i.e research for the sake of research. The idea of knowing how things work the way they do was what drove the first scientists or "natural philosophers" as they were called. You seem to misunderstand what the scientific method is and why knowledge itself is as valuable as any technology that is developed by it. | |||
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"Knowledge itself is as valuable as the technology that is developed by it? Did I insinuate otherwise? Sorry if you got that impression. As for the scientific method, what makes you think I don't understand it?" Erm, your posts on this thread. | |||
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"Knowledge itself is as valuable as the technology that is developed by it? Did I insinuate otherwise? Sorry if you got that impression. As for the scientific method, what makes you think I don't understand it? Erm, your posts on this thread. Yes, I am aware of that. If you refer to/quote the particular trigger(s), I will be glad to demystify this. " I've cherry picked a few of your statements throughout this thread. "If the supernatural does exist, then why would it have to comply with things like cameras?" It's not just cameras, there are all sorts of instruments that have been used to try and establish the existence of ghosts etc. (please note that this has been done by "ghost hunters", people actually trying to prove they exist!) and still nothing. Hell, if we can detect neutrinos we should be able to detect ghosts. "I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of" Sciences we're not aware of? I don't even know where to begin with that! "Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time" As I've already said, that's the point of science. "I know that science is about bettering our understanding and not to prove things for the sake of it." Not necessarily. Knowledge is it's own reward. "Also, scientific research is funded in part for what will potentially be something that the funders can capitalise on." Not true. Not true now and not true throughout history, early scientists had to find their own experiments. The only reason business is so involved now is because the equipment is so complicated and expensive. They invest because there is a good likely hood that the knowledge gained will be of value at some point but there's no guarantee. | |||
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"Im quite a logical person I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in? I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about? As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife. Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right? But science doesn't work like that..science doesn't prove things, the scientific method sets out to disprove theories, postulates, and if it can't, that is the state of knowledge at that time. As we stand, evidence for the existence of super natural events has not survived the rigour of the scientific method. Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time. Why it's important to believe in some things science has proven and others science has not proven. You have your own mind to do this with! I don't mean you in particular, I mean in general, people.. As for the supernatural and where it stands in terms of science. As I said before, it's possible that it might be something that we can't prove. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like all the new species discovered on a daily basis while others are being extinct etc.. With respect I think you are have the wrong understanding of how science works..science doesn't set out prove anything, it simply functions to help understand where our knowledge of the physical world is at any given time. Technology, the application of science, is where' proof' is. Science hasn't proven that Gods don't exist, or Santa Claus, or the tooth fairy, but at this moment in time there appears to be no scientific evidence supporting their exsistence Of course I know that science is about bettering our understanding and not to prove things for the sake of it. And so just because we don't have an understanding of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist?! There is that saying, to paraphrase, "People fear what they don't understand". Applicable to things like the supernatural and why people are conditioned not to believe it as something possible. Also, scientific research is funded in part for what will potentially be something that the funders can capitalise on. The supernatural is not so interesting in this case. " We have spent the last 2000 years being conditioned to believing in the supernatural (Christianity). Believing in something where there is no physical evidence is called faith, and people are of course completely free to make that choice, and do. You still are not understanding the how the scientific method operates...it does not prove anything. At the risk of repeating myself, it simply attempts to explain the physical world as far as we know at this moment in time. Science continually questions itself and it's conclusions.Science is open | |||
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"Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread You say boffin like it's a bad thing. " in this case, yes . Look I'm a big fan of Roy Cropper types , but they don't know how to have fun do they ? | |||
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"Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread You say boffin like it's a bad thing. in this case, yes . Look I'm a big fan of Roy Cropper types , but they don't know how to have fun do they ? " I had to google Roy Cropper, I was disappointed. To me a boffin is more like Doc Brown, he sure knew how to have fun. | |||
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"There are such things as ghosts and I've caught them on camera." Submit them to a recognised scientific body and claim your Nobel prize and million dollars. | |||
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"There are such things as ghosts and I've caught them on camera." of course you have why not write up all the details involved get it peer review then go and collect your billions for being the man that proved ghosts are not just things of fairy tales. | |||
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"Reading these replies has made me laugh. we stayed in a 300 yr old house that creaked at night wow that is proof if ive ever seen any. when in hospital i saw things.nothing to do with illness or drugs then i was awoken from sleep...so you were dreaming then haha apply a bit of thinking and the answer is there for all you Derek achoras out there google occams razor " why the fuck would anyone take any input seriously from you on this when you refer to 'all you Derek achoras'.. don't know who he is but the way its phrased is sneering almost which is petty.. | |||
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"Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread You say boffin like it's a bad thing. in this case, yes . Look I'm a big fan of Roy Cropper types , but they don't know how to have fun do they ? I had to google Roy Cropper, I was disappointed. To me a boffin is more like Doc Brown, he sure knew how to have fun. You see there you go . Boffins don't understand sarcasm either !! " Neither do you apparently. It is forgivable as it's hard to convey tone on here. I think we need a shaking head and a facepalm smiley. | |||
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"Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread You say boffin like it's a bad thing. in this case, yes . Look I'm a big fan of Roy Cropper types , but they don't know how to have fun do they ? I had to google Roy Cropper, I was disappointed. To me a boffin is more like Doc Brown, he sure knew how to have fun. You see there you go . Boffins don't understand sarcasm either !! Neither do you apparently. It is forgivable as it's hard to convey tone on here. I think we need a shaking head and a facepalm smiley. " OK Roy ! | |||
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"Personal anecdotes are great fun to share around a campfire to put the jitters up fellow campers,but as evidence of the supernatural.they are not worth a handful off washers " I will give you a pound for a handful of washers. We have 3 threads for the price of one here, ghosts, aliens, and science, so I am going to start another thread on genetic memory which I think may interact with this one but don't want to start another side path here. | |||
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"Reading these replies has made me laugh. we stayed in a 300 yr old house that creaked at night wow that is proof if ive ever seen any. when in hospital i saw things.nothing to do with illness or drugs then i was awoken from sleep...so you were dreaming then haha apply a bit of thinking and the answer is there for all you Derek achoras out there google occams razor " We have nothing to gain In saying what we have experienced, or in my case, didnt say. I have no mental issues at all, my sences all work fine, same with my friends who was with me on differnt occasions. I'd be happy if I could disprove events, I couldn't prove it to be 'ghosts' either though. I've been to see Derek Acorah on stage and he convinced me that night, either that or he had people planted all over the audience. Im far from convinced by him though as I also think he acts, but I do believe in mediums, wether they claim a spirit helps them or not. Just keep an open mind until maybe one day an event changes your mind no matter how hard you try and disprove it. I only say this as we can't all be wrong, there is plenty of evidence on youtube as I mentioned above. Hopefully some of those can be viewed as video evidence, not all of them will be fake, some of them are laughable. Same with photo's, some are clever hoaxs, some have had many experts examine along with the negs and cant be explained. I never used to be a believer, glad and grateful I am now though. | |||
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"Order of stuff I don't believe in: God, ghosts, santa, homeopathy, the G spot." What! you believe in the simple man's guide to women personally I would have put man who understands women ahead of god on your list | |||
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"Our house is haughnted and it's very well documented in books too. Random stuff happens from time to time like pictures being turned around the wrong way, lights turning them selfs off. Last year the Xmas tree came down and the baubles were lined up in a perfect semi circle around the tree. Only once have we been hurt when a standard lamp kept going over hit me a couple of times. We have got used to her now and her cheeky ways of hiding things. It's just normal to us. " If this really happens all the time then prove it. Set up a webcam, document the evidence and put an end to centuries of debate! If you can provide actual proof it will have massive repercussions in the scientific community and will make you a shit ton of money in the process. Unless it's all twaddle of course. | |||
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"I said from time to time not all the time!! My mum never believed it until the Xmas tree and pictures were turned last year. To be honest I don't give a stuff about money or proving it. But your more than welcome to come stay see if u see anything or feel something. It's happened at work too on a break on a night shift once I thought one of the girls pulled my hair to wake me! I went out of the room I was in on the ward and they were all at the desk 2 mins later the emergency alarm went of in the room I had just left. I've never had a break in that room since and never will. " Ok, you might not care about money but what about proving the existence of ghosts? Ending centuries of debate? Making a significant contribution to the sum of all human knowledge! Think of the impact it would have on millions of people's lives! You would deny that because you can't be bothered to set up a camera? | |||
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"Does anyone believe in love? You can't see it, feel it (by touch), smell it or scientifically prove its existence. Is it just a chemical reaction? Or do people believe in it because they want to." Science doesn't prove | |||
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"Does anyone believe in love? You can't see it, feel it (by touch), smell it or scientifically prove its existence. Is it just a chemical reaction? Or do people believe in it because they want to. Science doesn't prove" some on this thread are claiming it does or at least that scientific methods can. | |||
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"Does anyone believe in love? You can't see it, feel it (by touch), smell it or scientifically prove its existence. Is it just a chemical reaction? Or do people believe in it because they want to. Science doesn't prove some on this thread are claiming it does or at least that scientific methods can." It's a common misconception, proofs only exist in mathematics and logic which are both closed self contained systems of propositions, whereas science is empirical and deals with nature as it exists.The primary criterion of scientific theory is evidence not proof. | |||
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"If you take a picture,and on the picture you see transparent globes.they say there floating spirits,either past family or guardians trying to communicate with you." They do say that but they are normally dust motes or light. I think this was made popular by Most Haunted. | |||
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"As nobody has EVER caught any supernatural activity of any kind on camera, I don't think you will see anything. Are ghosts, goblins, fairies and unicorns camera-shy or just figments of the imagination when we are scared? The choice is yours." Because you have never caught anything, on a camera doesn't mean that no one has. I get these type of photos,sent to me from paranormal groups from all over the world. most have usually a natural explanation for them, but not all. I personally have taken photos, in a controlled way and have caught, some very good ones. | |||
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"If you take a picture,and on the picture you see transparent globes.they say there floating spirits,either past family or guardians trying to communicate with you. They do say that but they are normally dust motes or light. I think this was made popular by Most Haunted." You are correct in that most orbs are just dust , insects and water droplets reflecting the flash of the camera.This came to the fore, in the 1990s with the advent of digital cameras,which seem to catch them a lot more than standard cameras. | |||
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"I can see dead People !!!!!!!!! " Plenty of stiffs on here ! | |||
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