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By *rtemisia OP   Woman
over a year ago

Norwich

And if so, have you ever had any supernatural experiences?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah I do :-/ and I have had a few experiences mainly when I was younger had doors open on me when I was the only person in the house even saw the actual handles moving to open

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also in the depot where I work at night there's something not right when in my van doing paperwork see people walking round the yard outta the corner of my eye freaks me right out

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By *ussyGalore and Mr OCouple
over a year ago

A House

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah!

I had one experience where one of my dresses floated passed my bedroom which scared the shit out of me.

Last Xmas I had objects marked on my desk and after an hour they'd been thrown on the floor, whileI was downstairs, I've had spoons fly off my desk and my phone thrown on my floor.

In my last house there was a man on the stairs but could only see smart black pants and shoes (yes the light was on) I've also had a hand brush my cheek

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also in the depot where I work at night there's something not right when in my van doing paperwork see people walking round the yard outta the corner of my eye freaks me right out "

Should set up a camera and see what you get!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also in the depot where I work at night there's something not right when in my van doing paperwork see people walking round the yard outta the corner of my eye freaks me right out

Should set up a camera and see what you get!"

Yeah like to find out if there is anything there every time I see them move outta the corner of my I I turn and look but they gone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As nobody has EVER caught any supernatural activity of any kind on camera, I don't think you will see anything. Are ghosts, goblins, fairies and unicorns camera-shy or just figments of the imagination when we are scared? The choice is yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also in the depot where I work at night there's something not right when in my van doing paperwork see people walking round the yard outta the corner of my eye freaks me right out

Should set up a camera and see what you get!

Yeah like to find out if there is anything there every time I see them move outta the corner of my I I turn and look but they gone "

Let us know the results! I might leave a camera on while I go out as I caught a voice recording of my wardrobe doors being slammed shut so shall see what results I get!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YES ! I'd tell you why bit it would go on n on.,. X

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By *irtyDee33Woman
over a year ago

South Yorkshire

I believe in spirits!!!

I feel my brother and know when he's with me, I have always been very open minded and sense things not see things!!!

If u are not comfortable just ask then nicely, to go please!!

I understand the sceptism and respect it totally but this is my belief and would never judge anyone who doesn't think as I do xx

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By *irtyDee33Woman
over a year ago

South Yorkshire


"YES ! I'd tell you why bit it would go on n on.,. X"

I'd be happy to know xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"YES ! I'd tell you why bit it would go on n on.,. X

I'd be happy to know xxx"

Me too! Xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I ain't affraid of no ghost

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I ain't affraid of no ghost "

Haha this!!

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By *bony in IvoryCouple
over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

I believe ... Its the living ya gotta worry about, not the dead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hmm, I'm very open minded. And have never seen anything so that makes me probably a very hard person to convince.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe my own eyes, and I've never seen, heard or felt anything to make me believe in the existence of ghosts or an afterlife.. Or god for that matter!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm very open minded (that's one of the reasons I'm on this site!), and as such I require evidence.

Show me a pile of unicorn shit and I might start to believe in those.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are ghosts, goblins, fairies and unicorns camera-shy or just figments of the imagination when we are scared? The choice is yours."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no logical reasoning for the existence of ghosts, so no I do not believe

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By *nnejohnCouple
over a year ago

warrington

why is it always at night that people think they see ghosts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The brain is a powerful tool.

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london


"Are ghosts, goblins, fairies and unicorns camera-shy or just figments of the imagination when we are scared? The choice is yours.

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If the supernatural does exist, then why would it have to comply with things like cameras? It already would be existing on levels we don't comprehend. Seems a silly argument.

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london

I do believe that there are forces I don't understand. It's something I'd always thought is possible, but I did have one experience that affirmed this for me. It was weird because it felt 'normal' too, I wasn't afraid.. But I was half asleep so maybe that factored.. So, I was staying at my friend's place.. his parent's place.. this is maybe seven or so years ago now.. They lived in a large country house and had a guest room where I stayed. It is very difficult to put into words but when I was sleeping, I felt a kind of breeze, there was no temperature to it but I felt it pass me. I was asleep, it woke me up and when I opened my eyes, it was still moving in the room, but I couldn't see it. It came from above diagonally, quite slowly, and I felt it almost like a soft wind, but not cold, I was fascinated but it was very confusing, I didn't understand what it was/how it was.. then it was gone. I went back to sleep. The next morning I was having breakfast with my friend and his mum was making breakfast. I mentioned this incident to them and they looked at each other and then told me that when they bought the house, they had been told that there is a 'ghost' in that very room.. I had no prior knowledge of that of course, and so this experience is difficult to really render in any scientific/rational way.. I don't know about angels/ghosts, etc.. but there was some sort of other energy that I'd never felt before..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been on the WW1 battlefields at night. Instead of being scared or seeing anything I just feel a sense of sadness and peace.

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By *lutandhubbyCouple
over a year ago

west midlands

yes we do! we ran a pub a few years ago which has been on most haunted. it used to be a courthouse with gallows at the back!. seen a lot of strange happenings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I must have been molested by a ghost in my sleep quite regularly as a teenager!

Always used to wake up with strange 'ectoplasm' between my legs!

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By *lackInWhiteCouple
over a year ago

Monroe

I do believe in ghost and I've had a couple of experiences.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

There's a hell of a lot of money up for grabs if you can prove it! And guess what? Not one prize has ever been claimed...ever! I wonder why?

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

Scientists are using quantum physics to prove the exhistence of ghosts. I once saw a discussion on the television about it. They compared it to listening to a radio. They said if you're listening to a station (Radio 1 for example) but then tune to a different station (Talksport for example) you no longer hear Radio 1, but that does not mean it's no longer there. Obviously it is, but you're tuned to a different frequency so can't hear it.

In short, they're saying when your physical body dies your spirit leaves it and occupies another frequency that humans can't detect.

There are supposed time, frequency and dimension slips which permit glances of entities. Like when you see something out of the corner of your eye, but when you look directly there's nothing there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in spirits, I don't call them ghosts, and after a life time working with the spirit world, have many experiences on a day to day basis.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I have no idea what the explanation is or if its supernatural but I have seen and heard a lot if things that don't fit with what I know of normal life. I've felt things too that I can't only describe as energy. Who knows the cause but the op asked if we believe in ghosts they gave no explanation as to the cause of the experiences people had...so yes I believe in experiences about which we have no explanation .....yet.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

*can only describe as energy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to when living with my other half in a "haunted house" but after spending time investigating things and even doing the odd organised ghost investigation I've discovered there is an explanation for everything I've seen, on these ghost hunts it's normally down to someone else pushing a glass around a table. Gravity , or plain old dust and air streams on camera.

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By *eforfuncplCouple
over a year ago

Morecambe

My wife's been getting the willies for years ! She always screams lol xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, few things gone on in my house.

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By *ornieandhotCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough

When I was seriously ill in hospital at one point they had to put me out and put me on a ventilator.

While I was under I vividly remember sitting on the beach with my grandad who died when I was 14.

We talked for a while and then he told me it was time to go back

When I came round the first thing I was told I said was bye grandad

It's still just as vivid in my head now as it was that day

D x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our house is nearly 300 years old and supposed to be haunted by a little girl and a cat.

Haven't seen either of them in 5 years.

There are constant creaks and bumps though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mr cynical time

How come none of these "ghosts" and "strange" happenings ever get caught on camera?

In this day and age with all the technology available there's never been anything definate caught on camera.

Mind you older brothers and sisters are still playing tricks on younger, gullible family members

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

No, I'm totally sceptical about any phenomena like this.

However, one of my fantasies is to go to the local hospital at midnight dressed as the Grim Reaper and to stand at the end of people's beds and just point. I want to see how many wards I can do before I get thrown out.

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By *ornieandhotCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough


"No, I'm totally sceptical about any phenomena like this.

However, one of my fantasies is to go to the local hospital at midnight dressed as the Grim Reaper and to stand at the end of people's beds and just point. I want to see how many wards I can do before I get thrown out. "

Tina I'm shocked lol

D x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So where’s all the cat and dog ghosts and the hamster and the gerbil ghosts and where’s all the cows and the sheep ghosts and the chicken’s ghosts and the bird ghosts and the fish ghosts and where’s all the spider and the fly ghosts ,,,,eh?

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts


"YES ! I'd tell you why bit it would go on n on.,. X"

same answer here too

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

I'm normally sceptical about the paranormal but I have witnessed events recently, so bizarre, so macabre, that they have caused me to question the existence of the after life.

One such instance is at my place of work. It is a Grade 3 listed building, a converted warehouse at least 200 years old, the scene? My ofice fridge, I am becoming convinced that it may contain a malevolent presence. Every time I open the door there is an eerie chill that envelopes my whole body. Also when I put milk in there for my coffee, the next time I go to get it. It's a fucking empty cunting carton!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So where’s all the cat and dog ghosts and the hamster and the gerbil ghosts and where’s all the cows and the sheep ghosts and the chicken’s ghosts and the bird ghosts and the fish ghosts and where’s all the spider and the fly ghosts ,,,,eh? "

You are forgetting that these creatures don't have an imagination, can't read books and never watch a load of shit on TV !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So where’s all the cat and dog ghosts and the hamster and the gerbil ghosts and where’s all the cows and the sheep ghosts and the chicken’s ghosts and the bird ghosts and the fish ghosts and where’s all the spider and the fly ghosts ,,,,eh?

You are forgetting that these creatures don't have an imagination, can't read books and never watch a load of shit on TV !! "

You clearly have never had a dog or cat. They love TV

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So where’s all the cat and dog ghosts and the hamster and the gerbil ghosts and where’s all the cows and the sheep ghosts and the chicken’s ghosts and the bird ghosts and the fish ghosts and where’s all the spider and the fly ghosts ,,,,eh?

You are forgetting that these creatures don't have an imagination "

With what authority do you make that statement….?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep had cats and dogs but they only watched sky sports and the money programme

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not one bit. far too many people have died to make seeing one more likely. Still, it keeps psychic sally busy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we once went to a haunted castle for a bi cples weekend every one was putting the willies up each other lol

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling


"Scientists are using quantum physics to prove the exhistence of ghosts. I once saw a discussion on the television about it. They compared it to listening to a radio. They said if you're listening to a station (Radio 1 for example) but then tune to a different station (Talksport for example) you no longer hear Radio 1, but that does not mean it's no longer there. Obviously it is, but you're tuned to a different frequency so can't hear it.

In short, they're saying when your physical body dies your spirit leaves it and occupies another frequency that humans can't detect.

There are supposed time, frequency and dimension slips which permit glances of entities. Like when you see something out of the corner of your eye, but when you look directly there's nothing there. "

But seeing as no one can prove that we have a spirit this argument is flawed. Where do animal spirits go? Oh and bacteria? Or is it just the case that humans are special?

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Yeah I believe. Lucky enough to have had a few instances at night and day.

There are plenty of examples on youtube of incidents being caught on camera, now its up to you if you believe they are real or fake.

My last experiences were just over a month ago in Llanciach Fawr (nr Merthyr Tydfil) and again was lucky enough to hear things but wasn't convinced I saw anything.

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london

What I don't get is how skeptics try to claim how we should have evidence by now etc.. etc.. and try to put such phenomena in a context that we understand. It doesn't have to comply to anything we understand. It already is in itself something we don't understand, if it exists, so why would it have to be able to be caught on camera or by modern technology? 300 years ago there was tons of stuff we couldn't do that we can now and if someone told them about some of these things, for the very same reason that because it wasn't proven you wouldn't believe it, they would be skeptics. It's quite existentialist to believe that if 'ghosts' did exist we should be able to record them with modern technology because we are so clever and together.. Hypothetically, we could develop technology to record such phenomena in 50 years, or in 300 years, or we might never, but why do we have to already have this technology now? It's a funny way of assessing in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will use a simple method of describing what happens when you die with the help of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In the terminator film when they think theyve finally killed the terminator you see the light in his eyes go out. This is what happens when you die, everything switches off for good, no life no spirit no nothing. You are dead, non living , an ex alive person, finished, popped your clogs etc etc

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I will use a simple method of describing what happens when you die with the help of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In the terminator film when they think theyve finally killed the terminator you see the light in his eyes go out. This is what happens when you die, everything switches off for good, no life no spirit no nothing. You are dead, non living , an ex alive person, finished, popped your clogs etc etc "

Based on factual or just your opinion?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

'Ghosts' is an emotive term and conjures up images that we have been fed since childhood through tales, the media etc..

not a believer in 'ghosts', till about 18 months ago I was totally sceptical about anything spiritual. Not so now..

there is much we don't know, keeping an open mind is key and not deriding those who may have had what their perception tells them was something different..

not explained by logic, science etc..

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

when my cat died years ago I was convinced I could feel her weight on my legs when I was in bed and a dent where she used to sleep on the bed after I had made it

my mum had a house that had mirrors move and so cold ...chilled to the bone and voices telling her to jump out of the window they moved!!!

when an aunt died I kept smelling her perfume in my house and woke up and my wedding ring and engagement ring were on my bedside cabinet... I NEVER take them off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My opinion !

Before I believe anything I need factual evidence to back it up and to date I've not seen any.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

In the terminator film when they think theyve finally killed the terminator you see the light in his eyes go out. This is what happens when you die, everything switches off for good, no life no spirit no nothing. You are dead, non living , an ex alive person, finished, popped your clogs etc etc "

I totally shared that view for 54 yrs, absolutely and without question..

provable science based fact and clear physical evidence was what I based my personal and many aspects of my professional life on..

I didn't scoff at others who had their views, I just didn't know any different and hadn't had any experience to think otherwise..

since a complete stranger described something in detail to me which occurred over ten yrs ago, which only the OH was aware of I am more inclined to think that there are things that we don't know..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like this report......

Dr Richard Wiseman, a psychologist from the University of Hertfordshire, is arguably the country's top ghostbuster.

In 2003, following extensive research, Dr Wiseman concluded that ghosts were not real, and that people were merely responding to environmental clues such as light, temperature, or sounds at a frequency so low they are not detectable by the human ear but can be felt by the body.

Dr Wiseman likens our belief in ghosts to being "a bit like American wrestling": we know it's claptrap, but we rather enjoy it anyway......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Claptrap?? I prefer bullshit !!

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I like this report......

Dr Richard Wiseman, a psychologist from the University of Hertfordshire, is arguably the country's top ghostbuster.

In 2003, following extensive research, Dr Wiseman concluded that ghosts were not real, and that people were merely responding to environmental clues such as light, temperature, or sounds at a frequency so low they are not detectable by the human ear but can be felt by the body.

Dr Wiseman likens our belief in ghosts to being "a bit like American wrestling": we know it's claptrap, but we rather enjoy it anyway...... "

Top Ghostbuster too right it's arguable, Im voting for Evett Fielding

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

In the terminator film when they think theyve finally killed the terminator you see the light in his eyes go out. This is what happens when you die, everything switches off for good, no life no spirit no nothing. You are dead, non living , an ex alive person, finished, popped your clogs etc etc

I totally shared that view for 54 yrs, absolutely and without question..

provable science based fact and clear physical evidence was what I based my personal and many aspects of my professional life on..

I didn't scoff at others who had their views, I just didn't know any different and hadn't had any experience to think otherwise..

since a complete stranger described something in detail to me which occurred over ten yrs ago, which only the OH was aware of I am more inclined to think that there are things that we don't know.."

That has nothing to do with ghosts or spirits,

We are all connected, to each other, sharing 98% DNA,

And we are all connected to the akashic records, so all information is available, when you know how to connect to it.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

In the terminator film when they think theyve finally killed the terminator you see the light in his eyes go out. This is what happens when you die, everything switches off for good, no life no spirit no nothing. You are dead, non living , an ex alive person, finished, popped your clogs etc etc

I totally shared that view for 54 yrs, absolutely and without question..

provable science based fact and clear physical evidence was what I based my personal and many aspects of my professional life on..

I didn't scoff at others who had their views, I just didn't know any different and hadn't had any experience to think otherwise..

since a complete stranger described something in detail to me which occurred over ten yrs ago, which only the OH was aware of I am more inclined to think that there are things that we don't know..

That has nothing to do with ghosts or spirits,

We are all connected, to each other, sharing 98% DNA,

And we are all connected to the akashic records, so all information is available, when you know how to connect to it."

That the experience was 'ghostly' never entered my mind, spiritual perhaps..

not au fait with what you refer to..

will google it..

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"I will use a simple method of describing what happens when you die with the help of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In the terminator film when they think theyve finally killed the terminator you see the light in his eyes go out. This is what happens when you die, everything switches off for good, no life no spirit no nothing. You are dead, non living , an ex alive person, finished, popped your clogs etc etc "

For me that's the overwhelming feeling when you watch somebody die, especially the young..the light going out of their eyes, non seeing and lifeless.

Of all the living beings on our planet the human race is the only species cognisant with our own and others mortality.

How we deal with this is of course a personal choice. Mine is to accept the the inevitably of my own death and that of loved ones by cherishing what life gives to me now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"What I don't get is how skeptics try to claim how we should have evidence by now etc.. etc.. and try to put such phenomena in a context that we understand. It doesn't have to comply to anything we understand. It already is in itself something we don't understand, if it exists, so why would it have to be able to be caught on camera or by modern technology? 300 years ago there was tons of stuff we couldn't do that we can now and if someone told them about some of these things, for the very same reason that because it wasn't proven you wouldn't believe it, they would be skeptics. It's quite existentialist to believe that if 'ghosts' did exist we should be able to record them with modern technology because we are so clever and together.. Hypothetically, we could develop technology to record such phenomena in 50 years, or in 300 years, or we might never, but why do we have to already have this technology now? It's a funny way of assessing in my opinion. "

Humans only see a small part of the electromagnetic spectrum (visible light) and can only hear a narrow band of frequencies, so if we are able to see and hear ghosts/spirits/whatever then surely our technology which can "see" a much wider spectrum than us and "hear" frequencies well out of our range of hearing should be able to pick these things up.

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london

An interesting side note focusing on the way people live their lives,.. If you need someone else to prove something before you believe it and until then limit what you believe is possible based on what is exposed on a mass level, doesn't this limit you from excelling in your view of the world?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im quite a logical person

I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up

We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in?

I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there

I don't believe in science, I trust science. Science works whether you believe in it or not.

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london


"Im quite a logical person

I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up

We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in?

I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up"

I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about?

As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife.

Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right?

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over a year ago


"Im quite a logical person

I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up

We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in?

I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up

I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about?

As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife.

Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right? "

I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan

as for why I can't consider believing in thing's that are yet to be proven, as far as ghosts go my answer is this, we are born to reproduce and die, once we have died we have served our purpose so why would we hang about in the form of a ghost? to my mind there's just no reason for this to happen

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk

I believe that some things happen by forces beyond our control...

have been witness to some, with friends whom have a sixth sense for want of a better phrase...

so yes we do believe..

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By *atcherofmyballsMan
over a year ago

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I've not seen a ghost but when a 3 year old comes running into the kitchen from the living room, asking her mother why the white lady, she was talking to disappeared through the ceiling, it does make you wonder

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"

I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan

"

I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe.

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london


"Im quite a logical person

I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up

We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in?

I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up

I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about?

As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife.

Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right?

I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan

as for why I can't consider believing in thing's that are yet to be proven, as far as ghosts go my answer is this, we are born to reproduce and die, once we have died we have served our purpose so why would we hang about in the form of a ghost? to my mind there's just no reason for this to happen

"

- Why 'ghosts'? Why do you have to associate it to the afterlife in particular. Could be a sort of parallel existence like plants or animals.

- How do you know what our purpose is and that it being fulfilled relies solely on what we already know??

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

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"I've not seen a ghost but when a 3 year old comes running into the kitchen from the living room, asking her mother why the white lady, she was talking to disappeared through the ceiling, it does make you wonder "

It was a three year old! That should explain it sufficiently.

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By *atcherofmyballsMan
over a year ago

hereford


"I've not seen a ghost but when a 3 year old comes running into the kitchen from the living room, asking her mother why the white lady, she was talking to disappeared through the ceiling, it does make you wonder

It was a three year old! That should explain it sufficiently. "

there speaks a closed mind

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"Im quite a logical person

I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up

We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in?

I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up

I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about?

As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife.

Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right? "

But science doesn't work like that..science doesn't prove things, the scientific method sets out to disprove theories, postulates, and if it can't, that is the state of knowledge at that time.

As we stand, evidence for the existence of super natural events has not survived the rigour of the scientific method.

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over a year ago


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I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan

I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe. "

google it it will save me typing

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

As far as ghosts and the supernatural are concerned my scepticism is similar to my views on religion. I'm intelligent enough to realise that if you prove something to me, then it's intellectually logical to believe in it. However until then, I remain Agnostic, both theologically and paranormally!

I had an interesting conversation with a very devout Muslim recently who asked me if he could categorically prove that God existed would I then believe in 'him'. I replied that I would but conversely if I could categorically prove that God didn't exist, what would he do? He replied 'I don't care, I'd still have my faith', which I thought was a lovely philosophy. We did agree that we both lived our lives by the same moral and ethical codes regardless of our religious differences, which boiled down were basically, don't be a cunt to other people! He does a rather better job of it than me though

Apologies for going off topic slightly but it illustrates where I am on the subject!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley


"

I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan

I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe.

google it it will save me typing "

They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform.

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

who you gonna call ? Ghostbusters !!!!!!!

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"

I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan

I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe.

google it it will save me typing

They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform."

^this. Hydrocarbons and other organic molecules, possibly even amino acids. Pretty far from proof of life and /or fossils. I thought I'd missed a massive discovery for a minute.

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over a year ago

When I was young and had a motorbike , I was riding back home after dropping my girlfriend off at about 1pm in the morning . It was a terrible night wind and rain , and I saw a girl walking in the dark . I stopped and asked her if she wanted a lift home . She said yes and she gave me her address and jumped on the back . As I got nearer her home I checked my mirrors and saw to my horror she was not there . I drove back retracing my steps , the wind must have blown her off .... Nothing . I went to the police , who called on the address the girl had given me . They were told no young girl lived there , however they had lost there daughter 10 years earlier in a road accident !!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And if so, have you ever had any supernatural experiences?"

No, but have seen two ghosts, who saved mine and another persons life.

Also used to regularly see and hear the approach of a light in a remote farm house, never anything there, just ignored it in the end.

But decided I choose not to believe in them.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"I've not seen a ghost but when a 3 year old comes running into the kitchen from the living room, asking her mother why the white lady, she was talking to disappeared through the ceiling, it does make you wonder

It was a three year old! That should explain it sufficiently. there speaks a closed mind "

What, cause 3 year olds never make stuff up?

I'm far from having a closed mind. Want to talk about M theory and twelve dimensional space, let's do that but want to talk about astrology/ghosts/psychics/runes and all that other bullshit that people claim to have an "open mind" about, that's not open that's ridiculous.

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Would like to not believe in them, but once nearly ran over a man on the A420 near Frilford Heath. Having swerved to avoid him, and nearly crashing the car, when I got out there was no sign of anybody...living or dead....was bizarre and have never found an explanation for it

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london


"

I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan

I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe.

google it it will save me typing

They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform."

Aside from us potentially having originated from Mars also (look it up ), my point was more to do with whether you would believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms based on our own existence and how statistically there would be other life in terms of probability..

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley


"I've not seen a ghost but when a 3 year old comes running into the kitchen from the living room, asking her mother why the white lady, she was talking to disappeared through the ceiling, it does make you wonder

It was a three year old! That should explain it sufficiently. there speaks a closed mind

What, cause 3 year olds never make stuff up?

I'm far from having a closed mind. Want to talk about M theory and twelve dimensional space, let's do that but want to talk about astrology/ghosts/psychics/runes and all that other bullshit that people claim to have an "open mind" about, that's not open that's ridiculous. "

I like you!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley


"

I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan

I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe.

google it it will save me typing

They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform.

Aside from us potentially having originated from Mars also (look it up ), my point was more to do with whether you would believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms based on our own existence and how statistically there would be other life in terms of probability.. "

I made a rather lengthy post explaining my beliefs

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"I've not seen a ghost but when a 3 year old comes running into the kitchen from the living room, asking her mother why the white lady, she was talking to disappeared through the ceiling, it does make you wonder

It was a three year old! That should explain it sufficiently. there speaks a closed mind

What, cause 3 year olds never make stuff up?

I'm far from having a closed mind. Want to talk about M theory and twelve dimensional space, let's do that but want to talk about astrology/ghosts/psychics/runes and all that other bullshit that people claim to have an "open mind" about, that's not open that's ridiculous.

I like you! "

Ha ha, at least someone does!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley


"

I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan

I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe.

google it it will save me typing

They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform.

Aside from us potentially having originated from Mars also (look it up ), my point was more to do with whether you would believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms based on our own existence and how statistically there would be other life in terms of probability.. "

I'm also not arrogant enough to believe that we're the only life forms in the Universe, it's pure vastness would suggest the existence of planets a similar distance from a life-sustaining star as our sun that would support life of some kind.

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over a year ago

Yes i do.

I have felt my hand being held while sleeping on a couple of occasions.

And when i was having an op once where i almost died because an ectopic pregnancy burst, The surgeon told me that the the theatre went very cold at that point and when i came round in the recovery room my Grandad was sitting next to me beside the nurse. He spoke to me and told me "That everything will be ok and that i would go on to have more children"

When i told he nurse that he was there, she said that it happens loads and thought it was the anaesthetic that makes it happen. But i know he was there !!

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over a year ago


"I'm far from having a closed mind. Want to talk about M theory and twelve dimensional space, let's do that but want to talk about "

Hang on I though I was doing well to be able to see the logic of a Feynman diagram, think 12 dimensions would explode my 3 dimensional brain... but if we could see it it may explain lots of weird stuff that is hard to put a nail in.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"

I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan

I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe.

google it it will save me typing

They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform.

Aside from us potentially having originated from Mars also (look it up ), my point was more to do with whether you would believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms based on our own existence and how statistically there would be other life in terms of probability..

I'm also not arrogant enough to believe that we're the only life forms in the Universe, it's pure vastness would suggest the existence of planets a similar distance from a life-sustaining star as our sun that would support life of some kind."

Well, Kepler has found a bunch of potentially earth like planets in a tiny segment of the sky, when extrapolated out that means there could be as many as 3 billion earth like planets in our galaxy alone!

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over a year ago

I do and my best friend has one that used to wake me up

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By * times sexyCouple
over a year ago

Staffs

We thought that our last house was haunted , if you approached the house at around midnight there would be an eerie white glow all around...... then we found out next door had installed a security light WOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"I'm far from having a closed mind. Want to talk about M theory and twelve dimensional space, let's do that but want to talk about

Hang on I though I was doing well to be able to see the logic of a Feynman diagram, think 12 dimensions would explode my 3 dimensional brain... but if we could see it it may explain lots of weird stuff that is hard to put a nail in."

There are either 4,5,6,10,11,12 or 26 dimensions depending in which version of string or M theory you subscribe to. I don't claim to even begin to understand most of it but it is very interesting.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley


"

I do believe in life on other planets as they have found fossils of primitive life forms on titan

I'm not trying to undermine your argument, I'm with you on the whole ghosts are bullshit and of course there's life out there but how and when did we find fossils on titan? As far as I'm aware we haven't even landed anything on titan other than the Huygens probe.

google it it will save me typing

They haven't found evidence of life on Titan, they've merely hypothesised that it's atmosphere could possibly sustain some forms of lifeform.

Aside from us potentially having originated from Mars also (look it up ), my point was more to do with whether you would believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms based on our own existence and how statistically there would be other life in terms of probability..

I'm also not arrogant enough to believe that we're the only life forms in the Universe, it's pure vastness would suggest the existence of planets a similar distance from a life-sustaining star as our sun that would support life of some kind.

Well, Kepler has found a bunch of potentially earth like planets in a tiny segment of the sky, when extrapolated out that means there could be as many as 3 billion earth like planets in our galaxy alone! "

We must be the galaxy's equivalent of Swindon then, explains why no one comes to visit. The rest of them are probably having inter-galactic Olympic games and tea parties while we carry on fucking things up!

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"There are either 4,5,6,10,11,12 or 26 dimensions depending in which version of string or M theory you subscribe to. I don't claim to even begin to understand most of it but it is very interesting. "

It is, and I can get a handle on 5.. struggle to work the maths behind 6 but that is about the limit of my capacity to follow the books, I simply can't contain enough information in my brain to start calculating 10+ so I am waiting for someone clever enough not only to understand it but show it clearly as well.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley


"There are either 4,5,6,10,11,12 or 26 dimensions depending in which version of string or M theory you subscribe to. I don't claim to even begin to understand most of it but it is very interesting.

It is, and I can get a handle on 5.. struggle to work the maths behind 6 but that is about the limit of my capacity to follow the books, I simply can't contain enough information in my brain to start calculating 10+ so I am waiting for someone clever enough not only to understand it but show it clearly as well."

Brian Cox will be along shortly!

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By * times sexyCouple
over a year ago

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I can see dead People !!!!!!!!!

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london


"Im quite a logical person

I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up

We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in?

I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up

I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about?

As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife.

Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right?

But science doesn't work like that..science doesn't prove things, the scientific method sets out to disprove theories, postulates, and if it can't, that is the state of knowledge at that time.

As we stand, evidence for the existence of super natural events has not survived the rigour of the scientific method. "

Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time. Why it's important to believe in some things science has proven and others science has not proven. You have your own mind to do this with! I don't mean you in particular, I mean in general, people..

As for the supernatural and where it stands in terms of science. As I said before, it's possible that it might be something that we can't prove. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like all the new species discovered on a daily basis while others are being extinct etc..

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over a year ago

I must say this is a fascinating thread. Thoroughly enjoying all the theories and thoughts

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

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"

Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time. Why it's important to believe in some things science has proven and others science has not proven. You have your own mind to do this with! I don't mean you in particular, I mean in general, people..

As for the supernatural and where it stands in terms of science. As I said before, it's possible that it might be something that we can't prove. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like all the new species discovered on a daily basis while others are being extinct etc.. "

Science strives to disprove itself, that's the whole point! The only way to learn the truth is to test hypotheses. Our current understanding about how things work is undoubtably wrong but it provides us with the best explanation we have.

There is a vast difference between something which is unexplained and something supernatural.

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"We must be the galaxy's equivalent of Swindon then, explains why no one comes to visit. The rest of them are probably having inter-galactic Olympic games and tea parties while we carry on fucking things up!"

IF the big bang theory is correct, and IF evolution is a constant, there is no reason to suspect that there is any interstellar transport systems anywhere yet. But there is good reason to consider that no other planet would have a Greek culture, and a suitable mountain named Olympus

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"There is a vast difference between something which is unexplained and something supernatural. "

Not really, Thunder and Lightning were supernatural not so very long ago, knowledge is good, but it does rob us of magic.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"Im quite a logical person

I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up

We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in?

I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up

I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about?

As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife.

Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right?

But science doesn't work like that..science doesn't prove things, the scientific method sets out to disprove theories, postulates, and if it can't, that is the state of knowledge at that time.

As we stand, evidence for the existence of super natural events has not survived the rigour of the scientific method.

Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time. Why it's important to believe in some things science has proven and others science has not proven. You have your own mind to do this with! I don't mean you in particular, I mean in general, people..

As for the supernatural and where it stands in terms of science. As I said before, it's possible that it might be something that we can't prove. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like all the new species discovered on a daily basis while others are being extinct etc.. "

With respect I think you are have the wrong understanding of how science works..science doesn't set out prove anything, it simply functions to help understand where our knowledge of the physical world is at any given time.

Technology, the application of science, is where' proof' is.

Science hasn't proven that Gods don't exist, or Santa Claus, or the tooth fairy, but at this moment in time there appears to be no scientific evidence supporting their exsistence

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"knowledge is good, but it does rob us of magic.

"

To paraphrase Dr Sheldon Cooper,

Is that the motto of your community college?

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london


"Im quite a logical person

I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up

We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in?

I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up

I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about?

As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife.

Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right?

But science doesn't work like that..science doesn't prove things, the scientific method sets out to disprove theories, postulates, and if it can't, that is the state of knowledge at that time.

As we stand, evidence for the existence of super natural events has not survived the rigour of the scientific method.

Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time. Why it's important to believe in some things science has proven and others science has not proven. You have your own mind to do this with! I don't mean you in particular, I mean in general, people..

As for the supernatural and where it stands in terms of science. As I said before, it's possible that it might be something that we can't prove. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like all the new species discovered on a daily basis while others are being extinct etc..

With respect I think you are have the wrong understanding of how science works..science doesn't set out prove anything, it simply functions to help understand where our knowledge of the physical world is at any given time.

Technology, the application of science, is where' proof' is.

Science hasn't proven that Gods don't exist, or Santa Claus, or the tooth fairy, but at this moment in time there appears to be no scientific evidence supporting their exsistence "

Of course I know that science is about bettering our understanding and not to prove things for the sake of it. And so just because we don't have an understanding of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist?! There is that saying, to paraphrase, "People fear what they don't understand". Applicable to things like the supernatural and why people are conditioned not to believe it as something possible. Also, scientific research is funded in part for what will potentially be something that the funders can capitalise on. The supernatural is not so interesting in this case.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

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"

Of course I know that science is about bettering our understanding and not to prove things for the sake of it. And so just because we don't have an understanding of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist?! There is that saying, to paraphrase, "People fear what they don't understand". Applicable to things like the supernatural and why people are conditioned not to believe it as something possible. Also, scientific research is funded in part for what will potentially be something that the funders can capitalise on. The supernatural is not so interesting in this case. "

Not true. There is a lot of "blue sky" research going on. i.e research for the sake of research. The idea of knowing how things work the way they do was what drove the first scientists or "natural philosophers" as they were called.

You seem to misunderstand what the scientific method is and why knowledge itself is as valuable as any technology that is developed by it.

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over a year ago


"knowledge is good, but it does rob us of magic.

To paraphrase Dr Sheldon Cooper,

Is that the motto of your community college? "

Damn now I want to start a community college so I can have carved and gilded over the front door "bonum est scientia, non autem magia diripientium nos"

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london

Knowledge itself is as valuable as the technology that is developed by it? Did I insinuate otherwise? Sorry if you got that impression.

As for the scientific method, what makes you think I don't understand it?

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

I DO believe that something's there. I'm a very logical person but some of the things I've seen, I just can't help it.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"Knowledge itself is as valuable as the technology that is developed by it? Did I insinuate otherwise? Sorry if you got that impression.

As for the scientific method, what makes you think I don't understand it?"

Erm, your posts on this thread.

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By *corpi0stingMan
over a year ago

london


"Knowledge itself is as valuable as the technology that is developed by it? Did I insinuate otherwise? Sorry if you got that impression.

As for the scientific method, what makes you think I don't understand it?

Erm, your posts on this thread. "

Yes, I am aware of that. If you refer to/quote the particular trigger(s), I will be glad to demystify this.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"Knowledge itself is as valuable as the technology that is developed by it? Did I insinuate otherwise? Sorry if you got that impression.

As for the scientific method, what makes you think I don't understand it?

Erm, your posts on this thread.

Yes, I am aware of that. If you refer to/quote the particular trigger(s), I will be glad to demystify this. "

I've cherry picked a few of your statements throughout this thread.

"If the supernatural does exist, then why would it have to comply with things like cameras?"

It's not just cameras, there are all sorts of instruments that have been used to try and establish the existence of ghosts etc. (please note that this has been done by "ghost hunters", people actually trying to prove they exist!) and still nothing. Hell, if we can detect neutrinos we should be able to detect ghosts.

"I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of"

Sciences we're not aware of? I don't even know where to begin with that!

"Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time"

As I've already said, that's the point of science.

"I know that science is about bettering our understanding and not to prove things for the sake of it."

Not necessarily. Knowledge is it's own reward.

"Also, scientific research is funded in part for what will potentially be something that the funders can capitalise on."

Not true. Not true now and not true throughout history, early scientists had to find their own experiments. The only reason business is so involved now is because the equipment is so complicated and expensive. They invest because there is a good likely hood that the knowledge gained will be of value at some point but there's no guarantee.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"Im quite a logical person

I believe in science, I don't believe in adam and eve because there's no evidence to back religion up, I do believe in dinosaurs because there is evidence to back evolution up

We was born to reproduce and dies, like any other species on this plant, that's what we evolved into and for, to keep man kind going, there is no evolutionary reason at all why there would be an after life, it does not benefit man kind in any way so why would evolution throw it in?

I know we all have our own ways of thinking and some believe in the super natural, but I just think everything happens for a reason and there's no logical reason why there would be an after life when there's no benefit from it, I believe in science and there's not scientific evidence to back this up

I believe in science too. I also believe in sciences that we aren't aware of (yet, or ever). You don't believe in things that are yet to be proven, but once they are proven, you will believe them. So why can't you consider there are things that you don't believe that you might be wrong about?

As for afterlife, unexplained phenomena doesn't necessarily have to mean it is something relating to afterlife.

Being someone who believe is science and logic, I hope you agree that there are living life forms on other planets, right?

But science doesn't work like that..science doesn't prove things, the scientific method sets out to disprove theories, postulates, and if it can't, that is the state of knowledge at that time.

As we stand, evidence for the existence of super natural events has not survived the rigour of the scientific method.

Science quite often disproves itself.. so if one is to believe everything scientifically current, they'd certainly be wrong a lot of the time. Why it's important to believe in some things science has proven and others science has not proven. You have your own mind to do this with! I don't mean you in particular, I mean in general, people..

As for the supernatural and where it stands in terms of science. As I said before, it's possible that it might be something that we can't prove. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like all the new species discovered on a daily basis while others are being extinct etc..

With respect I think you are have the wrong understanding of how science works..science doesn't set out prove anything, it simply functions to help understand where our knowledge of the physical world is at any given time.

Technology, the application of science, is where' proof' is.

Science hasn't proven that Gods don't exist, or Santa Claus, or the tooth fairy, but at this moment in time there appears to be no scientific evidence supporting their exsistence

Of course I know that science is about bettering our understanding and not to prove things for the sake of it. And so just because we don't have an understanding of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist?! There is that saying, to paraphrase, "People fear what they don't understand". Applicable to things like the supernatural and why people are conditioned not to believe it as something possible. Also, scientific research is funded in part for what will potentially be something that the funders can capitalise on. The supernatural is not so interesting in this case. "

We have spent the last 2000 years being conditioned to believing in the supernatural (Christianity).

Believing in something where there is no physical evidence is called faith, and people are of course completely free to make that choice, and do.

You still are not understanding the how the scientific method operates...it does not prove anything. At the risk of repeating myself, it simply attempts to explain the physical world as far as we know at this moment in time.

Science continually questions itself and it's conclusions.Science is open

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes i do and experienced things most bizarre was long time ago working on stores on weekend basement floor me and mate fancied brew nearest coffee machine 3rd floor.

The lift was the goods lift with the manual gate and manual door to get in. Soon as we stepped inside lift both manual doors shut to say it was scary is understatement the lift shot to 5th floor which initself was odd as was derelict. We opened the doors no one around. Stepped inside liift again doors shut again now it was panic time we got back to basement mate threw up.

Transpired later apparently some died on that floor and even guard dogs would not go on that floor.

More recent experience was i was in bad car crash and what i remember clear as day was the light you hear about i was travelling down a train carriage way and passing deceased family and friends and my mum was at the end as i got there she said your children need you its not time yet.

Wierd bit is what i recall most was i saw santa claus but he was dressed in green. Months later was told he originally wore green and folkelore since has him in red.

Whether folk believe or not all the above is true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely not,there is nothing to suggest there is such thing and there is no logic to explain how they may exist

so no they don't exist

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By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg

Absolutely not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reading these replies has made me laugh.

we stayed in a 300 yr old house that creaked at night wow that is proof if ive ever seen any.

when in hospital i saw things.nothing to do with illness or drugs then

i was awoken from sleep...so you were dreaming then haha

apply a bit of thinking and the answer is there

for all you Derek achoras out there google occams razor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Some things are manifestly unprovable. See what I did there?

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread "

You say boffin like it's a bad thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread

You say boffin like it's a bad thing. "

in this case, yes . Look I'm a big fan of Roy Cropper types , but they don't know how to have fun do they ?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread

You say boffin like it's a bad thing. "

The boffin was coughing

It was a coffin

They carried him off in

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

Open with this one, there seems to be a lot of talk and a lot of money in ghosts, whether its just marketing ir science U don't know.

Friend has said he has seen one, although I am not one to call him a loony though.

This universe etc has a lot of unanswered questions and very intrigued by it all.

There were some photos took a while back by a Japanese photographer i think of the spirit leaving the body

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread

You say boffin like it's a bad thing.

in this case, yes . Look I'm a big fan of Roy Cropper types , but they don't know how to have fun do they ? "

I had to google Roy Cropper, I was disappointed. To me a boffin is more like Doc Brown, he sure knew how to have fun.

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By *arlock69Man
over a year ago

Batley... (near Leeds)

There are such things as ghosts and I've caught them on camera.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

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"There are such things as ghosts and I've caught them on camera."

Submit them to a recognised scientific body and claim your Nobel prize and million dollars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are such things as ghosts and I've caught them on camera."
of course you have

why not write up all the details involved get it peer review then go and collect your billions for being the man that proved ghosts are not just things of fairy tales.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread

You say boffin like it's a bad thing.

in this case, yes . Look I'm a big fan of Roy Cropper types , but they don't know how to have fun do they ?

I had to google Roy Cropper, I was disappointed. To me a boffin is more like Doc Brown, he sure knew how to have fun. "

You see there you go . Boffins don't understand sarcasm either !!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Reading these replies has made me laugh.

we stayed in a 300 yr old house that creaked at night wow that is proof if ive ever seen any.

when in hospital i saw things.nothing to do with illness or drugs then

i was awoken from sleep...so you were dreaming then haha

apply a bit of thinking and the answer is there

for all you Derek achoras out there google occams razor "

why the fuck would anyone take any input seriously from you on this when you refer to 'all you Derek achoras'..

don't know who he is but the way its phrased is sneering almost which is petty..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personal anecdotes are great fun to share around a campfire to put the jitters up fellow campers,but as evidence of the supernatural.they are not worth a handful off washers

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread

You say boffin like it's a bad thing.

in this case, yes . Look I'm a big fan of Roy Cropper types , but they don't know how to have fun do they ?

I had to google Roy Cropper, I was disappointed. To me a boffin is more like Doc Brown, he sure knew how to have fun.

You see there you go . Boffins don't understand sarcasm either !! "

Neither do you apparently. It is forgivable as it's hard to convey tone on here. I think we need a shaking head and a facepalm smiley.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Trust the feckin boffins to spoil the thread

You say boffin like it's a bad thing.

in this case, yes . Look I'm a big fan of Roy Cropper types , but they don't know how to have fun do they ?

I had to google Roy Cropper, I was disappointed. To me a boffin is more like Doc Brown, he sure knew how to have fun.

You see there you go . Boffins don't understand sarcasm either !!

Neither do you apparently. It is forgivable as it's hard to convey tone on here. I think we need a shaking head and a facepalm smiley. "

OK Roy !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personal anecdotes are great fun to share around a campfire to put the jitters up fellow campers,but as evidence of the supernatural.they are not worth a handful off washers "

I will give you a pound for a handful of washers. We have 3 threads for the price of one here, ghosts, aliens, and science, so I am going to start another thread on genetic memory which I think may interact with this one but don't want to start another side path here.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Reading these replies has made me laugh.

we stayed in a 300 yr old house that creaked at night wow that is proof if ive ever seen any.

when in hospital i saw things.nothing to do with illness or drugs then

i was awoken from sleep...so you were dreaming then haha

apply a bit of thinking and the answer is there

for all you Derek achoras out there google occams razor "

We have nothing to gain In saying what we have experienced, or in my case, didnt say.

I have no mental issues at all, my sences all work fine, same with my friends who was with me on differnt occasions. I'd be happy if I could disprove events, I couldn't prove it to be 'ghosts' either though.

I've been to see Derek Acorah on stage and he convinced me that night, either that or he had people planted all over the audience. Im far from convinced by him though as I also think he acts, but I do believe in mediums, wether they claim a spirit helps them or not.

Just keep an open mind until maybe one day an event changes your mind no matter how hard you try and disprove it.

I only say this as we can't all be wrong, there is plenty of evidence on youtube as I mentioned above.

Hopefully some of those can be viewed as video evidence, not all of them will be fake, some of them are laughable. Same with photo's, some are clever hoaxs, some have had many experts examine along with the negs and cant be explained.

I never used to be a believer, glad and grateful I am now though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kate said she's always having the Willy's up her

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By *arlock69Man
over a year ago

Batley... (near Leeds)


"There are such things as ghosts and I've caught them on camera.

Submit them to a recognised scientific body and claim your Nobel prize and million dollars. "

Ok then I will

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

Here and there


"There are such things as ghosts and I've caught them on camera.

Submit them to a recognised scientific body and claim your Nobel prize and million dollars.

Ok then I will"

I look forward to reading about it in Nature.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Order of stuff I don't believe in: God, ghosts, santa, homeopathy, the G spot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Order of stuff I don't believe in: God, ghosts, santa, homeopathy, the G spot."

What! you believe in the simple man's guide to women personally I would have put man who understands women ahead of god on your list

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our house is haughnted and it's very well documented in books too. Random stuff happens from time to time like pictures being turned around the wrong way, lights turning them selfs off. Last year the Xmas tree came down and the baubles were lined up in a perfect semi circle around the tree. Only once have we been hurt when a standard lamp kept going over hit me a couple of times. We have got used to her now and her cheeky ways of hiding things. It's just normal to us.

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By *dynlisaCouple
over a year ago

Notts

Yes I believe in ghosts I see the same lady every time I'm traveling on the a3 near liphook Hampshire I've seen this since I was about 10 years old

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

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"Our house is haughnted and it's very well documented in books too. Random stuff happens from time to time like pictures being turned around the wrong way, lights turning them selfs off. Last year the Xmas tree came down and the baubles were lined up in a perfect semi circle around the tree. Only once have we been hurt when a standard lamp kept going over hit me a couple of times. We have got used to her now and her cheeky ways of hiding things. It's just normal to us. "

If this really happens all the time then prove it. Set up a webcam, document the evidence and put an end to centuries of debate! If you can provide actual proof it will have massive repercussions in the scientific community and will make you a shit ton of money in the process.

Unless it's all twaddle of course.

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over a year ago

I said from time to time not all the time!! My mum never believed it until the Xmas tree and pictures were turned last year. To be honest I don't give a stuff about money or proving it. But your more than welcome to come stay see if u see anything or feel something. It's happened at work too on a break on a night shift once I thought one of the girls pulled my hair to wake me! I went out of the room I was in on the ward and they were all at the desk 2 mins later the emergency alarm went of in the room I had just left. I've never had a break in that room since and never will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

Theres a house in Birmingham which had a poltergeist which saved the owner's life.

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By *cottishrichMan
over a year ago

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"I said from time to time not all the time!! My mum never believed it until the Xmas tree and pictures were turned last year. To be honest I don't give a stuff about money or proving it. But your more than welcome to come stay see if u see anything or feel something. It's happened at work too on a break on a night shift once I thought one of the girls pulled my hair to wake me! I went out of the room I was in on the ward and they were all at the desk 2 mins later the emergency alarm went of in the room I had just left. I've never had a break in that room since and never will. "

Ok, you might not care about money but what about proving the existence of ghosts? Ending centuries of debate? Making a significant contribution to the sum of all human knowledge! Think of the impact it would have on millions of people's lives! You would deny that because you can't be bothered to set up a camera?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most people who believe in the supernatural and/or a god, are doing it because they WANT it to be true.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Does anyone believe in love? You can't see it, feel it (by touch), smell it or scientifically prove its existence. Is it just a chemical reaction? Or do people believe in it because they want to.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"Does anyone believe in love? You can't see it, feel it (by touch), smell it or scientifically prove its existence. Is it just a chemical reaction? Or do people believe in it because they want to."

Science doesn't prove

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Does anyone believe in love? You can't see it, feel it (by touch), smell it or scientifically prove its existence. Is it just a chemical reaction? Or do people believe in it because they want to.

Science doesn't prove"

some on this thread are claiming it does or at least that scientific methods can.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"Does anyone believe in love? You can't see it, feel it (by touch), smell it or scientifically prove its existence. Is it just a chemical reaction? Or do people believe in it because they want to.

Science doesn't prove

some on this thread are claiming it does or at least that scientific methods can."

It's a common misconception, proofs only exist in mathematics and logic which are both closed self contained systems of propositions, whereas science is empirical and deals with nature as it exists.The primary criterion of scientific theory is evidence not proof.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And if so, have you ever had any supernatural experiences?"
yes and yes I have ...... and was not d*unk .. but told him to go away .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had several poltergeist experiences. Things thrown at me mainly.. I don't know why they hate me so much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope, don't believe in them, at all and I doubt I'll ever be convinced otherwise

(I am obliged to say that some people do and I respect there beliefs)

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush


"And if so, have you ever had any supernatural experiences? yes and yes I have ...... and was not d*unk .. but told him to go away ."

Have you considered turning professional?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you take a picture,and on the picture you see transparent globes.they say there floating spirits,either past family or guardians trying to communicate with you.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"If you take a picture,and on the picture you see transparent globes.they say there floating spirits,either past family or guardians trying to communicate with you."

They do say that but they are normally dust motes or light. I think this was made popular by Most Haunted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And if so, have you ever had any supernatural experiences? yes and yes I have ...... and was not d*unk .. but told him to go away .

Have you considered turning professional? "

I could but scares the hell out of me .

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

north Down

Being that I have been investigating this part of the paranormal field for over 25 years now, with a fully open mind, to what might be behind it. All I can say is , " in my opinion ", we will only really find out, what ghosts/hauntings are through a more scientific approach.

At the minute science is pushing into the field, of quantum and monocular physics and I believe this is where the answer will be found .

In my experience 8 out of 10 cases can be put down to natural causes, but there are and I have been lucky enough, to have witnessed some very unexplainable events..

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

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"As nobody has EVER caught any supernatural activity of any kind on camera, I don't think you will see anything. Are ghosts, goblins, fairies and unicorns camera-shy or just figments of the imagination when we are scared? The choice is yours."

Because you have never caught anything, on a camera doesn't mean that no one has. I get these type of photos,sent to me from paranormal groups from all over the world. most have usually a natural explanation for them, but not all. I personally have taken photos, in a controlled way and have caught, some very good ones.

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

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"If you take a picture,and on the picture you see transparent globes.they say there floating spirits,either past family or guardians trying to communicate with you.

They do say that but they are normally dust motes or light. I think this was made popular by Most Haunted."

You are correct in that most orbs are just dust , insects and water droplets reflecting the flash of the camera.This came to the fore, in the 1990s with the advent of digital cameras,which seem to catch them a lot more than standard cameras.

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By *ndy_mandyCouple
over a year ago

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No such things as ghosts. They are spirits.

Andy can see an speak to them, he has told me and other people things that only we know, he has even told people what their ancestors done in the past as a job etc and hes been bang on everytime, he doesnt do it for money either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never been a believer in the slightest but recently a family member died, I woke up n a wave hit me I said to my partner that they had passed away, checked phones and there was a message. Then my window in my car which hadn't worked in a year started working that day. Them when we buried them yesterday my child was outside and said what's that light I looked up and seen a glowing circle in the sky that lasted about a second then disappeared. Very wierd n this is coming from a non believer...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone every been in the hell fire caves in west Wycombe x there's some weird shit going on in there lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can see dead People !!!!!!!!! "

Plenty of stiffs on here !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do believe, I do!

I've had far too many experiences that I simply cannot explain, and believe me, I have fine tooth combed them all.

Each to their own opinion I say. No one is right or wrong, and no ones opinion is more valid than anyone else's... its all down to faith, conviction in what you believe!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YES & YES!!

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