FabSwingers.com forum: Understanding TV/CD/TS/ladyboy

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Now what I am about to post will be considered controversial by many inc those listed above.

The problem is there are so many variations,overlaps and grey areas it's not possible to cover all, that would take a book. However what I have tried to do is clear up a few things with regards to the various differences between those groups and what I believe is broadly the case the majority of the time.

The whole subject of gender identity and what is often labeled as T/girls is shrouded in controversy, misunderstanding and down right wrong assumptions and it is not my intention to add to those.

Remember the following is more shall we say a "lay mans terms" And my intention is to help give those interested an insight into the world of trans and to hopefully help clear up at least some confusion that exists in the world.

What i am about to write is not cast in stone and many will have different views on the subject and what I will post. Nothing wrong with differences of opinion and debate is good. I also don't wish to upset any who many fall into one of the factions so please do not think that is my intention or desire. Thank you.

OK deep breath here goes,

For me, Tgirl is a generic term that applies to any number of activities related to dressing. If pressed to define labels, I would go with:

Crossdresser (CD) - Dresses in one article to full outfits of women's clothing without shaving or using make-up or styling hair or adopting mannerisms that are considered feminine. Dressing is more a sexual fetish than anything else.

Transvestite (TV) - Dresses in full outfits, shaves, uses make-up, styles hair, may adopt feminine mannerisms, but does not take hormones or have any surgeries to look more feminine. Does not dress full time as a woman. Dressing can be a sexual turn on or not, depending on the person. Sexual preference (again depending on the person) can run a wide variety from only being attracted to women (while dressed or not), being attracted to women and Tgirls (while dressed or not), being attracted to women and Tgirls (when not dressed) and men (only when dressed).

Transsexual (TS) – Often dresses full time. Often lives full time as a woman. Can either take hormones or not and have surgeries or not. Dressing is not a sexual turn on. Can be attracted to men and genetic females or even other transsexuals. In my mind, all transexuals start the path to SRS, but some stop short because they value their original equipment too much.

Shemale is a term invented by the porn industry to describe transsexuals who earn their living from the fact they are transexuals. Most will be on hormones and will have had not only breast implants but face feminisation surgery as well as other parts of their bodies. They retain their penis which is often fully functional therefore they are able to have penetrative sex with either females or males.

Ladyboy is a term invented by the sex trade in Thailand to describe transsexuals working in the sex trade.

Thank you I do hope the above helps.

Katie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock"

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By *eppoch1970Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Oh brilliant sweetheart!!

I totally concur with your thinking on this one. I'm the same about homosexuality/gay/queer, and the modern term of "men who have sex with men" or (mesmen). Someone could write one just on the continuum of being gay lol.

& then we really could do with one about bisexual men, they are another continuum that even a lot of us "real" homosexuals do not understand. Do they have "proper" ie loving relationships with a female and just use another man for sex, or some of them do have loving relationships with either, or they use "bisexuality" as a kind of 1/2 way stop and after a bit more experience they realise they are actually gay?

Aye, the world of human sexuality. Now who is after a gang-bang PMSL.

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock"

Bit of a crass sweeping statement there!!

whether straight/bi/gay/tv/cd/ts or whatever, he/she is stll a person with feelings!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock

Bit of a crass sweeping statement there!!

whether straight/bi/gay/tv/cd/ts or whatever, he/she is stll a person with feelings!!"

Was just about to say something simular but you beat me to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hmmmmm .... bi male in a frock ??? - charming

Well Im just a bi female in dungarees with pigtails then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thanks i find that very informative im a bit of a simple soul and really dont have any idea about this , i dont mind it either think sits brave actually to do it . although i do have one question and pardon my naievity on it , whats srs ??? and what are folk who have had everything so to speak ? like no male parts hormones dress as a women or guy or whtever full time ? srry im a thick shit when it comes to this stuff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock

Bit of a crass sweeping statement there!!

whether straight/bi/gay/tv/cd/ts or whatever, he/she is stll a person with feelings!!"

oh and couldnt agree more with you there , still a person , still got a soul , still got feelings who are we/i to judge anyone on anything ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock

Bit of a crass sweeping statement there!!

whether straight/bi/gay/tv/cd/ts or whatever, he/she is stll a person with feelings!!

oh and couldnt agree more with you there , still a person , still got a soul , still got feelings who are we/i to judge anyone on anything ? "

Exactly!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock"

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock"

Really?

How informative

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock

Really?

How informative

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Thx your very welcome

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock

Really?

How informative

Thx your very welcome"

You reckon? cos I don't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock

Really?

How informative

Thx your very welcome

You reckon? cos I don't

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dont really care what you think everyone entitled to an opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock

Really?

How informative

Thx your very welcome"

DYA THINK

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

"dont really care what you think everyone entitled to an opinion "

True, but not everyone's opinion counts!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the "male in a frock" is a bit unfair, as we don't pre-judge women in trousers, its all about social acceptability

If someone get a kick out of dressing up and isn't hurting anyone, then thats ok, if they make a full on lifestyle choice, fair play, live and let live.

A lot of the TV's & TS's you see are stunning and I reckon any guy, in the right situation, would be turned on or would play.

I bet there isn't a guy on here who hasn't searched and viewed shemale's online.

But I could be wrong

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"dont really care what you think everyone entitled to an opinion

True, but not everyone's opinion counts!!!"

That;s your opinion.....

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By *eclan_and_AimeeCouple
over a year ago

dunblane, stirling

"thanks i find that very informative im a bit of a simple soul and really dont have any idea about this , i dont mind it either think sits brave actually to do it . although i do have one question and pardon my naievity on it , whats srs ??? and what are folk who have had everything so to speak ? like no male parts hormones dress as a women or guy or whtever full time ? srry im a thick shit when it comes to this stuff

srs - sex reassignment surgery

after surgery either male or female, I believe they are given a new sort of birth certificate and are then legally recognised as the opposite sex.

xAx

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"I think the "male in a frock" is a bit unfair, as we don't pre-judge women in trousers, its all about social acceptability

If someone get a kick out of dressing up and isn't hurting anyone, then thats ok, if they make a full on lifestyle choice, fair play, live and let live.

A lot of the TV's & TS's you see are stunning and I reckon any guy, in the right situation, would be turned on or would play.

I bet there isn't a guy on here who hasn't searched and viewed shemale's online.

But I could be wrong

I think you could be wrong on that one

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

"dont really care what you think everyone entitled to an opinion

True, but not everyone's opinion counts!!!

That;s your opinion.....

yes Jane, and I am entitled to it

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"dont really care what you think everyone entitled to an opinion

True, but not everyone's opinion counts!!!

That;s your opinion.....

yes Jane, and I am entitled to it

I don't have an opinion on that...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If that's what you really think I feel sorry for you and just goes to show your ignorance. I think many on here will agree but you are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong you are.

take care.

Katie

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By *eppoch1970Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I really have to laugh at "swinging" websites. On the one hand in the forums folk say that each to their own etc, and we should all stick together as it were

and then we start having fights. Its totally schizoid.

If it had not been for the drag Queens and lesbians in Greenwich village when the Stonewall pub in New York got raided, bisexual men would never have had the gonads to start living their own lives.

We either stick together, or we die alone sad and miserable x.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thank you for your kind words.

katie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock"

Thats way wrong... some are straight

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hi and thank you for your post. I should have explained the abbreviations. SRS = Sexual reassignment surgery. By everything I guess I mean SRS breast implants maybe and maybe facial cosmetic surgery amongst others.

Katie x

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

I'm not having a fight, I just happen to believe that the rash generalisation of "bi male in a frock" is a totally degrading statement. xx

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I'm just along for the ride....

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By *eppoch1970Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I take back what I said above. Your only really entitled to an opinion if its an informed and thoughtful one yours is neither intolerant and down right abusive and wrong.

Thanks.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"[Removed by poster at 18/03/10 13:33:30]"

That confused the feck out of me

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"I take back what I said above. Your only really entitled to an opinion if its an informed and thoughtful one yours is neither intolerant and down right abusive and wrong.

Thanks."

Although I don't agree with his 'Bimale in a frock' statement.....I hardly think this counts as abusive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 18/03/10 13:33:30]"

I read that,and cant believe it still happens in this day and age x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

can see where this is going

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the "male in a frock" is a bit unfair, as we don't pre-judge women in trousers, its all about social acceptability

If someone get a kick out of dressing up and isn't hurting anyone, then thats ok, if they make a full on lifestyle choice, fair play, live and let live.

A lot of the TV's & TS's you see are stunning and I reckon any guy, in the right situation, would be turned on or would play.

I bet there isn't a guy on here who hasn't searched and viewed shemale's online.

But I could be wrong

I think you could be wrong on that one"

Then Jane you know less about the male mind than you think, the stat is 1 in 3 guys have gay/bi tendencies or fantasies, more are intrigued and want to explore.

Ask any TS or TV on here how many "straight" men approach them, its all about fooling their minds, "I'm with a woman, I'm with a woman" but "I want to play with a cock and convince myself I'm not gay or bi"

And before you ask, I don't need to fool my mind, I'm bi and love it and love attractive people (not necessarily good looking, different thing)

Be they female, male or TV/TS

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"I take back what I said above. Your only really entitled to an opinion if its an informed and thoughtful one yours is neither intolerant and down right abusive and wrong.

Thanks.

Although I don't agree with his 'Bimale in a frock' statement.....I hardly think this counts as abusive."

I have to agree… ignorant, ill-informed, potentially offensive and a few other things… but not abusive.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Well, well well. Although I expected a few differences in view and opinions to my post I never expected such controversy. I also never expected some would come on here and comment with little or no understanding of the subject in a down right rude way. Then title bigot comes to mind. but hey but it takes all kinds I guess and i'm trying hard to be tolerant.

Thank you to those who have replied in a sensible considered way no matter if you support what I said or not. At least you show manners and understanding

I will just add that I get lots of post fro couples and single guys who say they are straight on their profiles when quite clearly one or other are not. Now I don't have any problem with that but I do find it a shame that on a site like this people can't be dare I say "straight" on their profile

probably they don'tr wish their swinging friends to know.

Just as shame some can't be open for one reason or another.

Katie x

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

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Then Jane you know less about the male mind than you think, the stat is 1 in 3 guys have gay/bi tendencies or fantasies, more are intrigued and want to explore.

And before you ask, I don't need to fool my mind, I'm bi and love it and love attractive people (not necessarily good looking, different thing)

Be they female, male or TV/TS "

You said... "A lot of the TV's & TS's you see are stunning and I reckon any guy, in the right situation, would be turned on or would play.

I bet there isn't a guy on here who hasn't searched and viewed shemale's online".

I think that is a sweeping statement, I would guess that most guys on here don't search for Shemales online...

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By *eorge17Man
over a year ago

Leven

"I think the "male in a frock" is a bit unfair, as we don't pre-judge women in trousers, its all about social acceptability

If someone get a kick out of dressing up and isn't hurting anyone, then thats ok, if they make a full on lifestyle choice, fair play, live and let live.

A lot of the TV's & TS's you see are stunning and I reckon any guy, in the right situation, would be turned on or would play.

I bet there isn't a guy on here who hasn't searched and viewed shemale's online.

But I could be wrong

I think you could be wrong on that one

Then Jane you know less about the male mind than you think, the stat is 1 in 3 guys have gay/bi tendencies or fantasies, more are intrigued and want to explore.

And before you ask, I don't need to fool my mind, I'm bi and love it and love attractive people (not necessarily good looking, different thing)

Be they female, male or TV/TS "

Think you are so wrong on this. I for 1 have never searched for shemales online or any other place.

Also how many straight men do not approach a Ts or Tv? I'd wager it is a far higher number than those that do.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Well, well well. Although I expected a few differences in view and opinions to my post I never expected such controversy. I also never expected some would come on here and comment with little or no understanding of the subject in a down right rude way. Then title bigot comes to mind. but hey but it takes all kinds I guess and i'm trying hard to be tolerant.

Thank you to those who have replied in a sensible considered way no matter if you support what I said or not. At least you show manners and understanding

probably they don'tr wish their swinging friends to know.

Just as shame some can't be open for one reason or another.

Katie x "

I'm sorry but when you started this thread you surely never expected everyone to fall into line with you did you?

These are general discussion forums, you will get differing views on subjects and maybe you should think about that before starting a thread then acting like you are shocked when one person makes a small comment?

I don't agree with the 'biguys in a frock' statement but I hardly found it to be bigotted in any way, a local Gay club to me holds 'Cocks in Frocks' clubnights.....would you find that offensive?

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Thank you to those who have replied in a sensible considered way no matter if you support what I said or not. At least you show manners and understanding

probably they don'tr wish their swinging friends to know.

Just as shame some can't be open for one reason or another.

Katie x "

And you were doing so well until your own lack of understanding started slipping through. Not everything in this world is black and white and sexualaity probably has more shades of grey than B&Q.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Thank you to those who have replied in a sensible considered way no matter if you support what I said or not. At least you show manners and understanding

probably they don'tr wish their swinging friends to know.

Just as shame some can't be open for one reason or another.

Katie x

And you were doing so well until your own lack of understanding started slipping through. Not everything in this world is black and white and sexualaity probably has more shades of grey than B&Q."

Agree totally Polo....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think if you think I expected people to fall into line with what I have written you need to go back and reread what I wrote before I went into the definitions I put up. I clearly stated otherwise. Nothing wrong with "cocks in frocks nights either" How many TS would go to it is debatable. However to suggest all are just men in skirt or other shows IMO no real understanding.

Thanks

Katie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

where's the butter knife gone?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Another who's not read my intro or misunderstands it. Please reread what I wrote.

Katie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another who's not read my intro or misunderstands it. Please reread what I wrote.

Katie x "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yay thurday fight started i knew i would win!!

apart from that katy i think its an excellent post and clears up a few points even i was unsure about.

my aunty henry was a man but lived in full womans clothing jewellery shoes etc this was in the 70s when it wasnt the done thing but the amount of so called "men" that knocked on his door was unreal. in those days surgery etc was never an option.

i got into many a fight with people over it when i was a kid but he gave me the ability to accept people as they are and also showed me how to put on make up and do my hair durin those awkward teenage years.

tolerance is a beautiful thing xx

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"I think if you think I expected people to fall into line with what I have written you need to go back and reread what I wrote before I went into the definitions I put up. I clearly stated otherwise. Nothing wrong with "cocks in frocks nights either" How many TS would go to it is debatable. However to suggest all are just men in skirt or other shows IMO no real understanding.

Thanks

Katie x"

My comment was not in connection with your generalised definitions... it was the later post regarding people saying they are straight when they are not.

I have a question for you (bare with me it comes in several parts).

Part 1: Let's say there is a female who does not fancy other women, certainly doesn't want a relationship with another woman and has no desire to put her tongue into another woman's crotch... is she straight, bi or gay?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh oh I know miss

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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oh oh I know miss

I'll warn you now... I have no sweets for people with the right answer lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh oh I know miss

I'll warn you now... I have no sweets for people with the right answer lol"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thank you hun very well put I wish I was as articulate. You show a different side and it was so refreshing to read your post.

Hugs.

Katie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends, she may feel the same about men too... in which case she is no-sexual, lol

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Errmm straight Polo?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hmm why not ask her

Sorry I am not playing the game of spot the Bi or straight or whatever person. She is what she is and I don't know nor do I wish to know what she is all I can tell you is she is a person with her own sexual identity and that's more than good enough for me.

Katie x

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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Depends, she may feel the same about men too... in which case she is no-sexual, lol"

Oh no - she like guys.... lots of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends, she may feel the same about men too... in which case she is no-sexual, lol

Oh no - she like guys.... lots of them

deffo greedy then

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"Hmm why not ask her

Katie x "

Good answer.... and thus you have the answer to your own comments on guys saying they are straight when you think they are not.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

WOW! 58 posts in 2 hours, what have I started?. Perhaps I should now delete my first post

Katie x

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Hmm why not ask her

Katie x "

Ah don't worry Polo will get to where she is going eventually, whatever that is

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

ah she got there already.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Remember the grey areas and overlaps of which there are many.

Katie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OK pay attention, everybody listen to me"

I know one person on here who should know where thats from.... does she though?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

opinions are like arseholes everyone has got them!

there is no wee box or pigeon hole that we all fall into and sweeping generalisations do happen as does stereotyping and to be honest iv seen alegedly straight people tryin the forbidden fruit some take to it some dont.

lifes for living and exploring but i do know this much in the next life im comin back as a man so much easier!!! xx

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"Errmm straight Polo?"

I would agree with you... and have argued that I am straight for years. But people seem to insist I am bi just because when I am sexually aroused by a guy, several guys or a situation … I really don't care if a woman plays with me. In fact I find the situation (not the female) quite a huge mental buzz and actively seek it.

I am certainly not curious about trying a woman.

So I end up with Bi on my profile to stop the people who know me and know what I do saying "straight, who are you kidding".

I know my own sexuality and I am not in denial of anything. I am straight. But on a site where I have 3 options to choose from... I kind of get stuck with bi as being the most apt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"opinions are like arseholes everyone has got them!

lifes for living and exploring but i do know this much in the next life im comin back as a man so much easier!!! xx

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But they all wear skirts up there

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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""OK pay attention, everybody listen to me"

I know one person on here who should know where thats from.... does she though?"

Shut up Rik!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Straight here

and have no interest in playing with other females

and I’d still be straight after meeting a TV for fun

another grey area

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""OK pay attention, everybody listen to me"

I know one person on here who should know where thats from.... does she though?

Shut up Rik!"

get in there! well done babe, never doubted you for a minute mwah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"opinions are like arseholes everyone has got them!

lifes for living and exploring but i do know this much in the next life im comin back as a man so much easier!!! xx

But they all wear skirts up there"

yeah and we go hunting for the haggis too!! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"opinions are like arseholes everyone has got them!

lifes for living and exploring but i do know this much in the next life im comin back as a man so much easier!!! xx

But they all wear skirts up there

yeah and we go hunting for the haggis too!! xx"
Thought there was a shortage up there due to overkill and getting extinct

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over a year ago

"opinions are like arseholes everyone has got them!

lifes for living and exploring but i do know this much in the next life im comin back as a man so much easier!!! xx

But they all wear skirts up there

yeah and we go hunting for the haggis too!! xxThought there was a shortage up there due to overkill and getting extinct"

no they in hiding from the english they keep tryin to hump them the poor wee things!! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nooooo i thought u had taste !! next u be sayin u eat liver

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"nooooo i thought u had taste !! next u be sayin u eat liver

xx"

Chicken Livers on toast....mmmmmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"nooooo i thought u had taste !! next u be sayin u eat liver

xx"

no way, thats just wrong on so many levels, liver? ew ew ewwwww

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"nooooo i thought u had taste !! next u be sayin u eat liver

Chicken Livers on toast....mmmmmm"

deviant!!!!

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

don't mention deviants Mz or Snoggy will appear with his marmite x

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

"Now what I am about to post will be considered controversial by many inc those listed above.

The whole subject of gender identity and what is often labeled as T/girls is shrouded in controversy, misunderstanding and down right wrong assumptions and it is not my intention to add to those.

OK deep breath here goes,

For me, Tgirl is a generic term that applies to any number of activities related to dressing. If pressed to define labels, I would go with:

Ladyboy is a term invented by the sex trade in Thailand to describe transsexuals working in the sex trade.

Thank you I do hope the above helps.

Katie x

in general terms what you say is about right as far as generalisations go

but there are forums like this on the many " tranny " sites that are around

and even on those sites that are populated almost exclusively by CD /TV /TS etc , there seems very little agreement as to who falls in one pidgeon hole or another

so the grey area you mention seems to fill about 90 percent of the spectrum

and it is the TV/CD comunity themselves that have decided for it to be thus so

it can all get a bit farcical , i can remember having a discussion with the owner of a tranny site that still insists to this day that if a man wears a pair of stockings while playing with his wife in bed then he is(transgendered )

this term would also apply to a man that wore tights under his trousers to go fishing in the cold weather

and even if a man at a wedding put aunty ethels hat on for a moment , to take a silly photo he is also (transgendered)

it would be usefull on a site like this where the TV / CD comunity is in the minority to have explanations like a TV is full time dressed and a CD part time

but if the TV/CD etc cant agree amongst themsevses who is what etc then im not sure it would work

probably the best way foward is to treat everyone as individuals , and read there profile to see what there likes and disslikes are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"don't mention deviants Mz or Snoggy will appear with his marmite x

sssssssssshhhhhhhhh!!!

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By *ustyWoman
over a year ago

inverclyde

each to there own as they say...... but why do the tvs/cds etc keep messaging straight people when they are clearly not interested

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why do people who dont meet smokers msg me?

why do married/attached men message me?

why do guys in their 60's keep messaging me??

cause god loves a trier lol x

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"why do people who dont meet smokers msg me?

why do married/attached men message me?

why do guys in their 60's keep messaging me??

cause god loves a trier lol x"

Coz I'd already told them to piss off!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"why do people who dont meet smokers msg me?

why do married/attached men message me?

why do guys in their 60's keep messaging me??

cause god loves a trier lol x

Coz I'd already told them to piss off!

lol!! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

During my wee break from the forums i spent many a night viewing profiles which included TV/CD profiles and i must say a fair few of them really do put a lot of effort into making themselves look convincing. Looking at their pics you would think they are female and the wow factor was there and it did turn me on.

Keep up the good work girls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"During my wee break from the forums i spent many a night viewing profiles which included TV/CD profiles and i must say a fair few of them really do put a lot of effort into making themselves look convincing. Looking at their pics you would think they are female and the wow factor was there and it did turn me on.

Keep up the good work girls.

aww naw its backxx

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Keep up the good work girls.

aww naw its backxx

Not only that but he's got a hard on from looking at all those TV's....

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

I am STRAIGHT as it says in my title on my profile. I am not Bi curious, I am not bisexual, I am not a homosexual, ( refuse to use the word gay) I am not ignorant, I am not a bigot and I have never looked at a shemale website, or ever knowingly sort one out. I resent being bracketed in the generalisation of all men are bi curious at least !!!!

There you know where I stand now, rant over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keep up the good work girls.

aww naw its backxx

Not only that but he's got a hard on from looking at all those TV's...."
WHAT even the les dawson lookalikes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Errmm straight Polo?

I am certainly not curious about trying a woman.

So I end up with Bi on my profile to stop the people who know me and know what I do saying "straight, who are you kidding".

I know my own sexuality and I am not in denial of anything. I am straight. But on a site where I have 3 options to choose from... I kind of get stuck with bi as being the most apt.

I thought this reply was the most insightful thing on here. The dictionary defines bisexuality as having a physical or romantic ATTRACTION to both sexes. Which means you don't need to be bi to actually enjoy sex with both, a guy can enjoy receiving anal sex or sucking cock, a woman can enjoy licking pussy, but it's only if they choose a same sex partner based on their looks/personality that they can be called bi. If you're a woman who JUST likes the pussy licking skills of another woman or you're a guy who JUST wants a big cock in your arse, but you're both attracted to the opposite sex only, then you're both straight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

srs - sex reassignment surgery

after surgery either male or female, I believe they are given a new sort of birth certificate and are then legally recognised as the opposite sex.

xAx"

ahhh thank you , i have no idea about stuff , shows how thick i am me thinks

lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yay thurday fight started i knew i would win!!

I thought that too when I started to read the thread.

To the OP, very informative, thank you!

To the others, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock"

not all TV's are bi, i use a TV/admirers site and have met a few off there that are not bi, wearing a frock dont make you bi, fucking another man does that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought this reply was the most insightful thing on here. The dictionary defines bisexuality as having a physical or romantic ATTRACTION to both sexes. Which means you don't need to be bi to actually enjoy sex with both, a guy can enjoy receiving anal sex or sucking cock, a woman can enjoy licking pussy, but it's only if they choose a same sex partner based on their looks/personality that they can be called bi. If you're a woman who JUST likes the pussy licking skills of another woman or you're a guy who JUST wants a big cock in your arse, but you're both attracted to the opposite sex only, then you're both straight"

Do you really believe all that

Please define a homosexual act, and is it something heterosexuals do since your using dictionary definitions as examples.

Some people just over complicate things

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hi Naughty we meet again. How are you hun long time no speak as we did on "the other side"

Listen to naughty here is a lady who knows what she is talking about. I am not Bi either nor gay. Yes I have played a little with a man in a threesome situation and by a little I mean a little. Sometimes things happen in the heat of passion or the moment as some body mentioned above.

Katie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you really believe all that

Please define a homosexual act, and is it something heterosexuals do since your using dictionary definitions as examples.

Some people just over complicate things

Yes I do believe it. There's not a guy on this planet I have ever looked at and 'fancied' no matter how perfect a specimen he is, but I have ventured down the road of anal exploration (both directions) and i can certainly appreciate a big cock, but if a guy touched me in any 'other' way I'd kick him in the nuts

Homosexual act? You've pretty much defined it yourself there with the word ACT, although I could say that it would be between two guys only. Would this 'act' still be homosexual if a guy performed it on me while I performed on a woman?

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By *riendlyfunfemWoman
over a year ago

A world of my own

Oh dear, its Thursday again

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Think some have strayed away from the original topic

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Do you really believe all that

Please define a homosexual act, and is it something heterosexuals do since your using dictionary definitions as examples.

Some people just over complicate things

I personally think you are kidding yourself if you think you are straight.

You are surely bi at least.

I can't understand why people "deny" what they are.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"Think some have strayed away from the original topic

Thats the way of the forums! Your post was informative and interesting but as you said - there are shades of grey and overlapping areas - isn't there in most things? We get messages from TV's/TS's etc from time to time- they're always, without exception, polite, and as it's not something that we're looking for on our profile they're usually chatty - like - hi there, like your pics etc or asking about clubs we've been to! Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think some have strayed away from the original topic

Yes and you never reply...TUT!

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"Think some have strayed away from the original topic

Yes and you never reply...TUT!

I do too!!! Z xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think some have strayed away from the original topic

Yes and you never reply...TUT!

I do too!!! Z xx"

Not once did you compliment my flowery frock...

Steve did

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"Think some have strayed away from the original topic

Yes and you never reply...TUT!

I do too!!! Z xx

Not once did you compliment my flowery frock...

Steve did

yeah well - Steve loves you more than i do! Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think some have strayed away from the original topic

Yes and you never reply...TUT!

I do too!!! Z xx

Not once did you compliment my flowery frock...

Steve did

yeah well - Steve loves you more than i do! Z"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you really believe all that

Please define a homosexual act, and is it something heterosexuals do since your using dictionary definitions as examples.

Some people just over complicate things

I personally think you are kidding yourself if you think you are straight.

You are surely bi at least.

I can't understand why people "deny" what they are."

He certainly confused me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally think you are kidding yourself if you think you are straight.

You are surely bi at least.

I can't understand why people "deny" what they are."

Well for one thing I know better than anyone else here WHAT i am, and to say 'at least' is rather stupid when I have stated that there is no way I would ever 'fancy' a guy.

To say 'at least' suggests I might even be pushing on 'gay', and nobody (least of all the women that know me) could ever accuse me of being gay.

I think you misunderstood something from that earlier post.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I personally think you are kidding yourself if you think you are straight.

You are surely bi at least.

I can't understand why people "deny" what they are.

Well for one thing I know better than anyone else here WHAT i am, and to say 'at least' is rather stupid when I have stated that there is no way I would ever 'fancy' a guy.

To say 'at least' suggests I might even be pushing on 'gay', and nobody (least of all the women that know me) could ever accuse me of being gay.

I think you misunderstood something from that earlier post."

No, I didn't and I can assure you, my opinion is not stupid at all. It as valid as yours is.

You said you like a big cock to do anal with and to give anal...there was nothing to misunderstand. You have some sort of sex with a person of the same sex.

By your own definition, a person who is gay or bi HAS to fancy a person and if you don't fancy them, you can still have anal sex with them and be straight? I still think you are in denial.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think some have strayed away from the original topic

You'll find this is the norm in the forums!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

....and yes it is confusing for anyone who thinks in such a binary way (black or white, yes or no). If I met a woman who wanted to see me get it on with a guy then I'd consider it a 'bonus', but if she didn't like it then I'd happily forget all about it. Does that clear it up? Nothing would stop me from getting together with a woman I liked

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

I've followed your posts on this site

"....and yes it is confusing)"

And agree, something about them is very confusing.

Like you, we love cock, but then we would seeing as I'm bi, and my OH is gay

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

Everythings confusing but it's good fun! Z

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"....and yes it is confusing for anyone who thinks in such a binary way (black or white, yes or no). If I met a woman who wanted to see me get it on with a guy then I'd consider it a 'bonus', but if she didn't like it then I'd happily forget all about it. Does that clear it up? Nothing would stop me from getting together with a woman I liked

No.

All I see is you saying if you don't fancy a person but have any form of sex with them, then it doesn't count.

For me, straight is having sex with people of the opposite sex.

Bi is having sex with both sex's

Gay is having sex with someone of the same sex.

I am not sure which category "if I have sex with someone I don't fancy " comes into.

Is this a bit like if I eat a roast potatoe off someone else's plate I don't have to count it in my diet?

( not off HPC's plate as she would stab me with her fork )

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Sexuality isn't a set of a few boxes, it's a continuum with heterosexual at one end and homosexual at the other.

Hetro------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Homo

If you sit at either extreme it’s easy to define what you are and it is very black and white... and to some extent also if you sit slap bang in the middle it's fairly clear if you sit slap bang in the middle. However, whilst I am sure everything seems very clear cut from those points, there’s a massive space between all 3 points and if you are not floating about in one of those spaces it may be difficult to identify with the views of people who are there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hmm yes i agree with the definitions given there , however its far from me to impose it on other folk , quite frankly whatever other people enjoy sexually is their business im no here to judge lol so if you like cock but are staright then fair enough could call that barry or george or whatever you want lol as long as you happy dont think it matters , im more interested in the tv/cd thing to me its very very interesting , not on the sexual side just evry other way lol and i have to say i think the op has made clear some very important things for an idiot like me and this has been one of the most interesting and truely educational things for me on here

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Is this a bit like if I eat a roast potatoe off someone else's plate I don't have to count it in my diet?

( not off HPC's plate as she would stab me with her fork )"

Especially a roast potaote!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this a bit like if I eat a roast potatoe off someone else's plate I don't have to count it in my diet?

( not off HPC's plate as she would stab me with her fork )

Especially a roast potaote!

Can't imagine HPC eating roast potato, as she is skinny as a stick!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bi is having sex with both sex's

Gay is having sex with someone of the same sex.

Well there you have it then, I can see the problem. I think many gays, and maybe bi people, would be offended by such simplistic definitions. Surely gay people would say it's about love? I could only ever LOVE a woman, so I'm straight.

I have known a few bi girls who had sex with me one night, and then sex with a girl another night, so by your definition they were straight, then gay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i feel an urge to start singin " i am what i am"!!!!!!

to be perfectly frank or rude whatever way anyone wants to take it excuse the pun we all have a choice who we play with and sometimes say no never no way etc till we in the situation and in the heat of the moment it goes right out the window!!

straight gay bi bi curious it all just labels at the end of the day and if you want to experiment between them all then go for it its your choice and its a free world xx

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"Surely gay people would say it's about love?"

Love is what I have for my partner, sex is what I have with other people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i feel an urge to start singin " i am what i am"!!!!!!

You don't mean that godawful edie brickell song do you?

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Anyway back to the original points

Why do TVs always have bloody great legs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i feel an urge to start singin " i am what i am"!!!!!!

You don't mean that godawful edie brickell song do you?

no dear gloria gaynor!! there feel better you just proved your straight lol xx

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

"Why do TVs always have bloody great legs?

Not everyone can be so lucky, some people have great legs

some people have great arse's

like you!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i feel an urge to start singin " i am what i am"!!!!!!

You don't mean that godawful edie brickell song do you?

no dear gloria gaynor!! there feel better you just proved your straight lol xx

Because I didn't know a Gloria Gaynor song?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyway back to the original points

Why do TVs always have bloody great legs?

And arses too! Not fair!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thank you and that was my intention when I wrote this topic. Would appear its gone in a completely different direction but hey ho. So many posts in 10 hours or so must be nearing some kind of record but what do I know this is my first post here after all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You know I have been asked that sooo many times by ladies inc a few in the gay village in Manchester.

If I had such I might be able to answer that question.

However I have replied I will swap mine for your breasts and all say something like I wish lol. I have even been complimented on my arse and I quite like the feel of some sexy lady stroking it esp through a tight skirt

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

[Removed by poster at 19/03/10 00:24:24]

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

Right can i simplify things

man/woman, woman/man = straight

man/man, woman/woman = homosexual

man/ man or woman = bi sexual

woman/woman or man = bi sexual

CD's TV's and TS's will fit into what ever category

simples

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

Note I used homosexuals

I refuse to use the term gay

Gay to me means Happy and was until the homosexuals took it over a beautiful girls name

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By *ebzStarWoman
over a year ago

Notting

So where does

man / tv cd etc

woman / tv cd etc

Fit then???

Does a man go for a tv cos he fancies the "woman" or is it the naughtyness of fancying a woman while knowing it really a man?????

And cos the tv really a man, does that make the man that goes for her gay???

Oris he Bi cos he has got both genders in one hand????

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

"So where does

man / tv cd etc

woman / tv cd etc

Fit then???

Does a man go for a tv cos he fancies the "woman" or is it the naughtyness of fancying a woman while knowing it really a man?????

And cos the tv really a man, does that make the man that goes for her gay???

Oris he Bi cos he has got both genders in one hand????"

OK OK it's not that simples FFS

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

I'm happy I know where I stand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"after surgery either male or female, I believe they are given a new sort of birth certificate and are then legally recognised as the opposite sex.

That's a whole new area that needs to be addressed isn't it. What makes a man a man, or a woman a woman?

I think it shows a sad lacking of understanding by the authorities that they will only allow a person to officially change their sex post-SRS when most, if not all transexuals have long regarded themselves as members of the opposite sex to which they born. In their minds they have been men living as women, or vice versa, all their lives.

I think a true open mind needs to be adopted with regards to gender stereotyping and that anybody, regardless of whether they've had SRS or not, should be able to switch gender identities if that's how they feel they want to live. It is a huge step for anyone to take and I don't think such an open system would be greatly abused.

With regards to TS/TV/CDs as described by the OP (great post btw), I am fully bi and it wasn't something that crept up on me, I knew a long long time before ever playing with a man that I wanted to but I supressed it as none of my old circle of friends and certain members of my family would have accepted me being open about it. I still hide it from them to this day, it just feels easier to supress it. Meeting Siren was like a breath of fresh air blasting over me. She stated quite early on in our relationship that two men together turned her on big time and for me it felt like a huge weight had been lifted off my shoulders. Finally I could be open with someone dear to me about who and what I am, and so that led us to exploring this side of my sexuality that I hadn't been able to before. I found that the type of men I like are manly men, with body hair and not effiminate in any way at all (not Bears or Biker types though lol). I also like convincing TS girls, ones that truly look like women but still have a working penis. I'm not turned on at all by men dressed as women with 6 o'clock shadows, I'd much rather they were openly bisexual as men, but I'm not judging them, it's how they've found they can live their lives as best they can so good for them. One other thing that really gets my attention is being gangbanged by a group of gay men. I know Siren would love to see this and in part that what turns me on the most, knowing she's enjoying it as much as I am.

Human sexuality is a minefield at best and I think we've still got a ways to go before people are accepted by the content of their character and not the public persona you see before you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I will just add that I get lots of post fro couples and single guys who say they are straight on their profiles when quite clearly one or other are not. Now I don't have any problem with that but I do find it a shame that on a site like this people can't be dare I say "straight" on their profile

probably they don'tr wish their swinging friends to know.

Just as shame some can't be open for one reason or another.

Katie x "

Just to clarify that scenario. If you check our profile it says I am straight. But I'm not am I, I just said so in the post above. So why say I'm straight on our profile?

Again, if you read the post above about not telling my offline family and friends, and then understand that even non-swingers visit these websites, and it's that hard to put two and two together and realise that my offline friends would soon find out about my sexuality if they stumble across our profile (which has happened but the guy promised to keep it to himself as he has the same dilemma).

It's not just about being open with it in the company of fellow swingers, as swingers aren't the only people who look at these sites. I have children to consider and I wouldn't want any bigot who finds out I like guys to start spreading their bile around town until my daughter gets the piss ripped out of her for having a 'poofter' dad. I'm not saying that it will happen, I'm saying that it won't because I'll make sure nobody knows except those I trust explicitly. (And that's also the reason we don't show our faces on any profile anywhere on the web.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

srs - sex reassignment surgery

after surgery either male or female, I believe they are given a new sort of birth certificate and are then legally recognised as the opposite sex.

xAx"

my understanding is that they do not get a new birth certificate as that is a legal document given to them at birth, whatever sex they were born as will be with them for life. Whether they are male to female or female to male, they still have to use the toilet that belongs, so to speak to what they were born as not what they have become.

A person that desires to be the opposite sex is a transexual though like has been said, some do keep bits of their original "parts" ie cock or pussy, only because some prefer to, but constructing a working cock is difficult. Not sure a pussy is that easy either though it can be done but will never have the sensations women have.

Personally ive no problem with whatever a man or women wants, lifestyle, its their choice but ive no desire to date anyone that either dresses as the opposite sex nor wishes to be the opposite sex though im partial to stockings and suspenders on a man

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over a year ago

"Thank you and that was my intention when I wrote this topic. Would appear its gone in a completely different direction but hey ho. So many posts in 10 hours or so must be nearing some kind of record but what do I know this is my first post here after all.

I think its a brilliant thought provoking post but you will always get a variety of responses what ever the subject matter is as there will always be people who truly dont understand as well as those that dont like it and prejudge without any knowledge or understanding. Personally as ive said below, ive no objection to anyones lifestyle preference, its just not for me.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Bi is having sex with both sex's

Gay is having sex with someone of the same sex.

I have known a few bi girls who had sex with me one night, and then sex with a girl another night, so by your definition they were straight, then gay

I think maybe you are just splitting hairs now and trying to twist things.

Gay sex , bi sex or straight sex doesn't have to include love otherwise we wouldn't all be on a NSA sex site.......so I am sure I won't have offended any gays with the definition I gave.

The definitions I quoted can be found anywhere on the net.......if you don't want to fit in one of them thats up to you..but that won't stop me having my view of what you had written.

At no point did I say a woman/man is gay or straight if she/he has sex with both sex's...but I did say if she/he is having sex with both sex's then I would say she is bi.

The important thing is, enjoy what you are doing and be proud of it.

There is nothing wrong with whatever sexuality people are.... I am just jealous that a lot of people get to be even more greedy than I am because they like sex with both sex's.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Is this a bit like if I eat a roast potatoe off someone else's plate I don't have to count it in my diet?

( not off HPC's plate as she would stab me with her fork )

Especially a roast potaote!

You could never eat roast potatoes with your figure !!!

Ok sorry OP I led it off track again

I only knew a little of your first post, so a very informative post.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A guy who goes with a CD or TV IMO is Bi. However if he goes with a post op TS or one on hormone replacement therapy and heading for SRS Then he can be either. Thats just like any other man maybe Bi or not. There is a BIG difference between a TV and a TS. I am a man and enjoy manly things most of the time where as TSs believe they are a women trapped in the wrong body. If a guy see a TS as a woman with that bit extra so be it doesn't stop him also going with guys who are neither TV or TS as well.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Great post. Thank you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thank you that's the first time I have ever heard it explained when I have asked such questions. Although I do not doubt what your reasons are I still think there are people who are hiding it from other swingers. Perhaps they do so in the belief that if he put Bi then it would limit their chances of meeting couples. I will qualify this by saying/asking why is it mostly OK for the lady to state she is Bi on their profile but not the guy if he is bi as well?

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"... If a guy see a TS as a woman with that bit extra so be it doesn't stop him also going with guys who are neither TV or TS as well. "

But it might.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Katie, if you click on the "reply in forum + quote, people will know who you are answering xxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Modern surgery techniques are so good not only can a surgeon create a convincing pussy they can also created a sensitive clitoris. (sometimes a second op is required to make the Virgina more life like)The result of which many post op TS can indeed experience an orgasm via stimulation either through masturbation or oral sex. Also it is entirely possible for the post Op TS to have an orgasm via sexual intercourse in her Virgina.BTW the clitoris is constructed using the tip of the penis.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Katie, if you click on the "reply in forum + quote, people will know who you are answering xxx"

Thanks my bad

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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lol it helps the easily confused

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"Modern surgery techniques are so good not only can a surgeon create a convincing pussy they can also created a sensitive clitoris. (sometimes a second op is required to make the Virgina more life like)The result of which many post op TS can indeed experience an orgasm via stimulation either through masturbation or oral sex. Also it is entirely possible for the post Op TS to have an orgasm via sexual intercourse in her Virgina.BTW the clitoris is constructed using the tip of the penis. "

On another site we use there is a lady there having been through a sex change. She started a thread welcoming any questions anyone has, and no holds barred on it, and she answered everyone of us nosey buggers.

It was very informative and makes you look at things a different way, especially when she was talking about how her family and friends reacted.

I think someone said something about abirth certificate not being changed to suit, but I am sure she said she has female on her birth certificate now ( I couldd be wrong so I am going to check )

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"Thank you that's the first time I have ever heard it explained when I have asked such questions. Although I do not doubt what your reasons are I still think there are people who are hiding it from other swingers. Perhaps they do so in the belief that if he put Bi then it would limit their chances of meeting couples. I will qualify this by saying/asking why is it mostly OK for the lady to state she is Bi on their profile but not the guy if he is bi as well? "

But it is OK if a guy states it as well. It's their personal choice.

Yes someone people don't put they are bi because they can see how ‘some’ people will pigeon hole them and even go as far as thinking if a guy is bi they won't be able to resist bum-raping a straight guy. Such ignorant people may often share the view that all TV’s are ragging puffs in denial… not everyone is open to changing their closeted views of black and white sexuality and they often make huge assumptions based on little information.

Women are just luckier I guess, to generally have more liberty to express their varying and sometimes fluid sexuality. Primarily because of the way men viewed lesbianism throughout history… men being the predominant law makers in history. And also because of the underlying homophobia which exists in our society tends to be about men. It also helps that modern pop culture made a little girl on girl titillation trendy. There’s no shock horror to Madonna lipswapping with Britney… if anything it had a few trousers twitching. But can you imagine the headlines if Tom Jones stuck his tongue into Dizzy Rascals puckered lips?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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But it is OK if a guy states it as well. It's their personal choice.

Personally from what I have read on peoples posts on a few sites I think it is more than that.

Yes, you have people who won't play with bi men, for lots of reasons, and why bi men don't say it on their profile.....but you also get the men who don't actually think they are bi anyway, so they wouldn't put bi on their profile. You then get someone like the poster who doesn't want it broadcast incase it backfires in his vanilla life as it seems frowned upon.

That bit I can't understand .....why it isn't accepted as much as it is for a female to be bi..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

But it is OK if a guy states it as well. It's their personal choice.

Not sure I entirely agree with all of that but fair enough. I am finding it hard to keep up with all the posts and trying my hardest to answer peoples questions but that's what I get for starting this thread. I never expected such numbers of posts.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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The country is not ready for Robbie Williams to have “I sucked a cock and I liked it” at number one in the download charts.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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Personally from what I have read on peoples posts on a few sites I think it is more than that.

That bit I can't understand .....why it isn't accepted as much as it is for a female to be bi..

Sorry it was a quick reply based on the guy actually being, knowing and believing he is bi.

There's a whole different issue between identifying with being bi, just as there is in many men's minds a whole world of difference between letting another guy wank you whilst your wife sits on your face and hooking up with Harry down the gay sauna on a Thursday afternoon to exchange blow-jobs. The first still being a man performing a sexual act on another man, but does that really make the hubby being wanked bi? Some of the wanked hubbies may feel they are bi because they wanted a man to wank them and some may feel they are not bi because ... it was just the sensation of a hand wanking their cock as far as they are concerned.

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over a year ago

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Personally from what I have read on peoples posts on a few sites I think it is more than that.

That bit I can't understand .....why it isn't accepted as much as it is for a female to be bi..

Sorry it was a quick reply based on the guy actually being, knowing and believing he is bi.

Thats like saying men or women for that matter are pretending to not notice someone of the same sex playing with them, and if they pretend to not notice, then it doesn't count.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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Thats like saying men or women for that matter are pretending to not notice someone of the same sex playing with them, and if they pretend to not notice, then it doesn't count.

It's not pretending (necessarily) it can be just not being phased by it.

If the guy who let another man wank his cock whilst having his wife sit on his face put that he was bi on his profile... because he's not adverse to the idea of being wanked once in a while in the right situation... what would people assume the 'bi' meant?

I've seen a variety of assumptions posted on this site as to what being a bi male means... everything right up to "they are the biggest HIV risk"... sorry but how the fudgepacket would being wanked by a hand do that?

I can totally understand why a guy in this situation would not want to call himself bi and not identify with being bi… without any hint of denial.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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Thats like saying men or women for that matter are pretending to not notice someone of the same sex playing with them, and if they pretend to not notice, then it doesn't count.

It's not pretending (necessarily) it can be just not being phased by it.

I can totally understand why a guy in this situation would not want to call himself bi and not identify with being bi… without any hint of denial.

If it was me and I dabbled, be it just someone playing with me, and I enjoyed it and wanted to do it again, then I would put bi....but maybe if someone contacted us with a view to playing, then I would let them know what experience or what my bounderies were in a bi situation.

Let's face it, there are varying degrees of everything. Even straight people don't do everything there is to do in sex..the same as bi or gay people.

We have a gay friend who doesn't do anal , he only gives it, but it doesn't mean he is any less gay just because he doesn't enjoy everything there is to offer.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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We have a gay friend who doesn't do anal , he only gives it, but it doesn't mean he is any less gay just because he doesn't enjoy everything there is to offer."

I agree, because I don't believe something as complex as sexuality is defined by a single act or action. It is defined more by what happens in your mind.

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over a year ago

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We have a gay friend who doesn't do anal , he only gives it, but it doesn't mean he is any less gay just because he doesn't enjoy everything there is to offer.

I agree, because I don't believe something as complex as sexuality is defined by a single act or action. It is defined more by what happens in your mind.

Damn, you are way too clever for me as sometimes I never know if you are trying to make another point that I may have missed

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By *edhot4blkCouple
over a year ago

York/London/Crantock

theres nothing better than a healthy debate...lmao

we are on another site similar to this one and there is a member on that site that has HIS profile marked as a female, he says HE is a full time t-girl but he also says he hasnt had the op as yet to take away his willy so what im trying to get across if a GUY has a willy and uses that willy for sexual reasons as HE says HE does is HE right in calling himself a female...

stella...(all woman)...lol..xxxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"theres nothing better than a healthy debate...lmao

we are on another site similar to this one and there is a member on that site that has HIS profile marked as a female, he says HE is a full time t-girl but he also says he hasn't had the op as yet to take away his willy so what im trying to get across if a GUY has a willy and uses that willy for sexual reasons as HE says HE does is HE right in calling himself a female...

stella...(all woman)...lol..xxxx

Me thinks you assume too much. How do you know he/she uses it to have sex? Myabe he/she does maybe he /she dosent. What matters is the path this person is going down He/she considers him/herself to be her and without knowing her intentions in life its not possible to fully answer or even guess. Perhaps he/she is on hormone replacement therapy, perhaps is afraid of the op (not unreasonable as there can be so many complications and its bloody painful) SRS is a major operation and isn't the easiest of operations to get done. You can't just walk into any hospital pay and have it done. There are so many processes you have to go through. There is also long painful convalescing period. I could go on but I hope you get my drift.

Katie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

straight,gay,bi...I prefer to think of myself as gender-fluid

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By *ebzStarWoman
over a year ago

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"straight,gay,bi...I prefer to think of myself as gender-fluid

Sounds lovely

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over a year ago

"theres nothing better than a healthy debate...lmao

stella...(all woman)...lol..xxxx

He He He

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By *edhot4blkCouple
over a year ago

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katieftv...

we all know he uses his penis for sexual pleasure as he asks the females including me if id like to give HIM a blowjob, but when he is asking this he always does it in pm so no one in the room sees it, but when HE speaks in the room HE is always saying that HE wants to be called susan as he is really a she...wish some of these trannies would make their mind up really...but i have to say i have nothing against trannies t-girls, cd's. etc...theres a place for all in this world..stella..(all woman) xxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

do you put all woman at the end of every message or just this thread???

im glad i know im female but i cannot imagine the torture it must be to feel that you are in the wrong body and have to live with societies opinions of what your doin is queer or abnormal.

i suppose the one you talking about as he doesnt have the female organs or on the hormones or whatever then his sexual pleasure comes from his cock as he doesnt have a vagina.

iv no studied enough psychology yet to find a suitable answer xx

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over a year ago

I was thinking the same about the all woman thing

Im all woman some of the time and at others I have quite a bit of man in me but never feel the need to elaborate

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I was thinking the same about the all woman thing

Im all woman some of the time and at others I have quite a bit of man in me but never feel the need to elaborate

In every man there is a certain amount of fem within so why not the other way round indeed.

For the vast majority of time I am all man but unlike many I allow my fem side to come out.

Katie x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What I do find surprising is that as far as I am aware only one other T/girl has relied to this thread esp give the number who are on fab. Perhaps they don't bother top read the forums or maybe they are afraid of being ridiculed on here. Me I am quite thick skinned and can take most of what comes my way. However it would be good to hear some CDs/TVs?TSs or whatever views on my first post or indeed any other post on this thread.

Katie x

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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Even the Olympic Officials won't rely on the presence of trouser tackle for gender confirmation and they are only checking the physical aspect.

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over a year ago

"Even the Olympic Officials won't rely on the presence of trouser tackle for gender confirmation and they are only checking the physical aspect."

I like it

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over a year ago

"I was thinking the same about the all woman thing

Im all woman some of the time and at others I have quite a bit of man in me but never feel the need to elaborate

In every man there is a certain amount of fem within so why not the other way round indeed.

For the vast majority of time I am all man but unlike many I allow my fem side to come out.

Katie x "

Now this is where I lose this thread completely as I can honestly say that I have no female urges, or urges to be a female, in me whatsoever. I don't know what 'female instincts' are, whether that's the caring/nurturing side of one's nature or something else. I find I can look after my son on equal par as my wife does but that doesn't mean my feminie side is in play, it's me as a man caring for my offspring.

I am very comfortable being a man, I love being a man, and there's no way on earth I'd ever want that to change, or do anything to bring about such a change. It is who I am. I am male, masculine, and I have all the traits that go with being a man.

Maybe it's just down to genetics, I don't know, but if it is, I'm missing a few that others seem to have, I think. lol

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Hang on a minute when I said I sometimes had a bit of man in me I was talking cock

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over a year ago

"Hang on a minute when I said I sometimes had a bit of man in me I was talking cock

A little bit?... ah, right, I remember now... it must have been soft if it was little hehehe

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I was thinking the same about the all woman thing

Im all woman some of the time and at others I have quite a bit of man in me but never feel the need to elaborate

In every man there is a certain amount of fem within so why not the other way round indeed.

For the vast majority of time I am all man but unlike many I allow my fem side to come out.

Katie x

Maybe it's just down to genetics, I don't know, but if it is, I'm missing a few that others seem to have, I think. lol

Sorry but you completely misunderstand its nothing to do with urges or the way you feel but it is within every man believe it or not.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Anyway back to the original points

Why do TVs always have bloody great legs?

Cycling dear - lots of bloody cycling!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hi Nikki and welcome to the debate. Your only the second TV/TS to post on this thread. Funnily enough I do have a bike but don't use it as much as I should but summers almost here so must get those cycling shorts on and do some pedal pumping real soon.

Katie x

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over a year ago

Just bought a new car yesterday, always wanted a Ferrari but couldn’t afford one, so I just stuck some Ferrari badges and a few spoilers on it, does that mean I now own a Ferrari, or is it all just in my head?

All physiological if you ask me, so it’s no surprise some opinions you get you might not agree with or give them any thought, when women get boob jobs they get called fake tits, so its hardly surprising when someone shouts man, when men decide to become women.

Good discussion though, it’s just a shame not many TV/TS/CD have joined the discussion to give their own opinions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

blimey...this thread is rumbling on a bit! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions..I am what I am and I dont try and convert anyone If bi is your thing or if TV's float your boat then great..if not then heyho,its not such a big deal in the big scheme of things

...doesnt a bit of diversity keep things interesting?

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over a year ago

yeah diversity is embraced as long as it fits in with the persons opinion!!

in the big scheme of things if you not interested or in contact or dont want to be then you dont need to be!

exchanging insults isnt really goin to add to the debate really xx

i personally found it a very interestin debate and some good points raised xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

definitely!...always a subject thats going to be a 'lil divisive but interesting nonetheless

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock"

So narrow minded .....

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over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock

So narrow minded .....

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your right just love narrow boats and canals

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Just bought a new car yesterday, always wanted a Ferrari but couldn’t afford one, so I just stuck some Ferrari badges and a few spoilers on it, does that mean I now own a Ferrari, or is it all just in my head?

Good discussion though, it’s just a shame not many TV/TS/CD have joined the discussion to give their own opinions.

What is it going to achieve?

For what it's worth i agree with the OP as regards the classifications but when all is said and done they are only our opinions. If someone else wants to sneer and call me a bloke in a frock then that's up to them - i won't lose sleep if someone is ignorant or bigoted about my sexuality.

I get enough mails from people so i must be doing something right!

I enjoy being a TV, it's not the whole of my personality nor is it the only way i enjoy sex - it's just another facet that allows me more scope to my sexual fun. If someone doesn't like it they don't have to join in do they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is it going to achieve?"

Well for a start, it might change other peoples views, after all its not something people are taught at school, education often changes ones mind, theres been many replies on here but and one negative one, yet the calls of ignorance and bigotts are being thrown around, please dont let one posters opinion make cloud you're judgement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best post I have read for a long while

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock"

Nowt further from the truth lol

A massive misconception by many people

For example i as most on here know am bi but have no desire whatsoever to dress in women's clothes

The closest i get to this is at fancy dress parties but i do it for a laugh and get nowt from it

The point im making is that there are many TVs that like to dress in women's clothes but have absolutely no desire to sleep with men

I have met tvs over the years in social situations and clubs and very few of them were gay or bi

I know a builder in my vanilla life who wears stockings and suzzies cause he likes too and believe you me he is as straight as i am bi

I feel that by your sweeping stereo typical comment that you have never taken the time to research the subject or actually talk to any TVs

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over a year ago

"all comes down to the same thing bi male in a frock

Nowt further from the truth lol

A massive misconception by many people

For example i as most on here know am bi but have no desire whatsoever to dress in women's clothes

The closest i get to this is at fancy dress parties but i do it for a laugh and get nowt from it

The point im making is that there are many TVs that like to dress in women's clothes but have absolutely no desire to sleep with men

I have met tvs over the years in social situations and clubs and very few of them were gay or bi

I know a builder in my vanilla life who wears stockings and suzzies cause he likes too and believe you me he is as straight as i am bi

I feel that by your sweeping stereo typical comment that you have never taken the time to research the subject or actually talk to any TVs "
What possible reason would make me want to research or talk to tvs,just let them get on with there own little world,I made a statement which i will stand by and still fully believe,Maybe now we will not get any more mail of them hopefully

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wow, cant believe this one is still going on

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"wow, cant believe this one is still going on

I can

The opening post wasn't exactly ground breaking stuff... but it didn't take a crystal ball to work out it would draw at least one anti-frock cock

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over a year ago

Probably because they would look shit in a frock anyway

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over a year ago

What possible reason would make me want to research or talk to tvs,just let them get on with there own little world,I made a statement which i will stand by and still fully believe,Maybe now we will not get any more mail of them hopefully

Is it just me thats intrigued to know which Tv's find them so irresistable that they keep messaging them?

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

Ahhhhhhhhh bugger (ooops can I say that in this thread

) I wanted to be the 200th poster LOL

Having said that the way it's turning I can't see it being open for much longer tho

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over a year ago

"Ahhhhhhhhh bugger (ooops can I say that in this thread

) I wanted to be the 200th poster LOL

Having said that the way it's turning I can't see it being open for much longer tho"

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over a year ago

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"wow, cant believe this one is still going on

Why not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just seems to be going round and round with the occasional mud sling

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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There has only been a couple of posts that have had to be taken off, the rest are having a bloody good discussion. So I am not sure why people think it will be shut anytime soon.

If it carries on the way it is, it wouldn't be shut at all.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"just seems to be going round and round with the occasional mud sling

Report any mud slinging that a mod may have missed please.

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over a year ago

I think this has been a good thread,there has only been negative comments from one poster and loads of informative stuff for others that maybe did'nt nderstand the terminology and all that it meant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There has only been a couple of posts that have had to be taken off, the rest are having a bloody good discussion. So I am not sure why people think it will be shut anytime soon.

If it carries on the way it is, it wouldn't be shut at all."

have I hit a nerve with you on this?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I think this has been a good thread,there has only been negative comments from one poster and loads of informative stuff for others that maybe did'nt nderstand the terminology and all that it meant

^^^ what she said cos she said it better than me

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"There has only been a couple of posts that have had to be taken off, the rest are having a bloody good discussion. So I am not sure why people think it will be shut anytime soon.

If it carries on the way it is, it wouldn't be shut at all.

have I hit a nerve with you on this?"

Sorry? what the hell are you going on about? you commented you think the thread should be shut, or will be shut soon, and I answered you....what is your problem?

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

It was starting to get a bit ansti back along that why I said it but so long as the mods have it under control, alls well by me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no, my comment was merely on the fact that people where still posting on the thread, they normally never get this much attention

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"just seems to be going round and round with the occasional mud sling

then your comment I have quoted there and your last comment don't make any sense, as you seem to have backtracked.

Still not sure what was meant by your hitting a nerve comment and if you don't want to explain in the forum my mailbox is always open.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my mailbox is always open"

sed the postman to the bishop lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" "my mailbox is always open"

sed the postman to the bishop lol

trust you lol xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What possible reason would make me want to research or talk to tvs,just let them get on with there own little world,I made a statement which i will stand by and still fully believe,Maybe now we will not get any more mail of them hopefully "

This statement says a lot more than what it actually doesn't say, if you get my meaning.

I sense a real deep rooted fear of not being able to handle something that you have been taught is 'not normal', men dressing as women is 'not normal' in your world view and everything inside of you is rebelling against the fact that TVs are normal people who dress how they feel most comfortable.

The fear of which I speak is one that causes you to question your own deep core of beliefs and you are scared you'll uncover something you have long tried to keep hidden. I'm not suggesting you're a closet TV etc but I do think there is a level of xenophobia present in you because if you truly wasn't phased by the many differing peoples there are on this planet you wouldn't have made such a vociferous posting about it.

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

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Wishy

we have agreed to disagree before and we've come through it OK but I have to agree with swinging 50's on this. Although what he says is brash to say the least. I think I would have put it a bit more succinctly.

I too have no interest in TV/TS's and I too would never research the subject but that doesn't make me ignorant or bigoted.

I am secure in my sexuality and I have no fear of what is considered 'not normal'. I'm neither xenophobic or homophobic. I am a true believer in each to their own but if they start to impinge on my lifestyle, then I would voice my opinion vociferously as well. As that hasn't happened, the situation in my case is a happy equalibrium.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In a public place I would wholeheartedly agree with you. If someone impinges on your lifestyle and won't take no for an answer then a firm slap down maybe neccessary but on a site like this where users create a profile that is for all to see maybe one should state clearly what they do not want as well as what they are looking for.

If it was me I'd simply say something along the lines of: "If we don't reply, you're not what we're looking for" - what further needs to be said, there's certainly no need to put it all on a forum, which to my mind, makes it sounds like xenophobia or homophobia, which of course, may not be the case at all.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Is it just me thats intrigued to know which Tv's find them so irresistable that they keep messaging them?

Someone doth protest too much?

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over a year ago

"Is it just me thats intrigued to know which Tv's find them so irresistable that they keep messaging them?

Someone doth protest too much?

Chestnut. Old.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"Is it just me thats intrigued to know which Tv's find them so irresistable that they keep messaging them?

Someone doth protest too much?

Chestnut. Old.

Precisely!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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So does that mean if I told you I didn't like sprouts , I didn't fancy having them, and didn't want to taste them, that I was surpressing myself and that I did really want sprouts but wouldn't admit it?

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over a year ago

"So does that mean if I told you I didn't like sprouts , I didn't fancy having them, and didn't want to taste them, that I was surpressing myself and that I did really want sprouts but wouldn't admit it?

Well i likes sprouts but they aint necessarily bi ya know pmsl xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kinda leaves a person nowhere to go doesn't it.

If you shout too loud - then you just MUST be...

If you don't shout at all - well that's just conclusive proof!!

The 'he who shouts loudest' or 'he who protests too much' argument is always trotted out as a last line of defence, and usually without anything to follow it up with.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Kinda leaves a person nowhere to go doesn't it.

If you shout too loud - then you just MUST be...

If you don't shout at all - well that's just conclusive proof!!

The 'he who shouts loudest' or 'he who protests too much' argument is always trotted out as a last line of defence, and usually without anything to follow it up with."

then why can't people just agree that everyone can have a preference without there being anything sinister in it.

The person who is being answered might not have been very tactful in what he was saying, but he is still allowed to say he doesn't want to get to know any TV's if he wants to....and should he be then being accused of having urges he is supressing?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Well i likes sprouts but they aint necessarily bi ya know pmsl xx

Oh I dunno, the ones I served up to Mr R tonight may well have been, the little critters he kept stabbing with his fork were trying to get away, going one way then the other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kinda leaves a person nowhere to go doesn't it.

If you shout too loud - then you just MUST be...

If you don't shout at all - well that's just conclusive proof!!

The 'he who shouts loudest' or 'he who protests too much' argument is always trotted out as a last line of defence, and usually without anything to follow it up with.

then why can't people just agree that everyone can have a preference without there being anything sinister in it.

I suggested he may be xenophobic (fear of something foreign or strange), not supressing latent TV urges.

But touche, point taken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

how about the its not to my taste but live and let live??

labelling is so last season dear!!

because someone is bi doesnt mean they out on a mission to convert every straight person same as anyone who is straight isnt goin to persuade every gay person to turn straight!!

and lets face it here its no like every tv/cd or whatever is goin to fancy every guy so basically your hetrosexuality and arse are safe!!

to quote the great ray davis, its a shook up world and a mixed up world for my lola eoo ola le lola!! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how about the its not to my taste but live and let live??

labelling is so last season dear!!

because someone is bi doesnt mean they out on a mission to convert every straight person same as anyone who is straight isnt goin to persuade every gay person to turn straight!!

and lets face it here its no like every tv/cd or whatever is goin to fancy every guy so basically your hetrosexuality and arse are safe!!

to quote the great ray davis, its a shook up world and a mixed up world for my lola eoo ola le lola!! xx"

A pint of whatever she ^ had please barman!

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over a year ago

Well i likes sprouts but they aint necessarily bi ya know pmsl xx

Oh I dunno, the ones I served up to Mr R tonight may well have been, the little critters he kept stabbing with his fork were trying to get away, going one way then the other

Mmmm thats the trouble with being bi i never know which way ta turn lol xx

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

"how about the its not to my taste but live and let live??

labelling is so last season dear!!

because someone is bi doesnt mean they out on a mission to convert every straight person same as anyone who is straight isnt goin to persuade every gay person to turn straight!!

and lets face it here its no like every tv/cd or whatever is goin to fancy every guy so basically your hetrosexuality and arse are safe!!

to quote the great ray davis, its a shook up world and a mixed up world for my lola eoo ola le lola!! xx

A pint of whatever she ^ had please barman!

That'll be a pint of common sense for you then? Anyone else wanting one?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Kinda leaves a person nowhere to go doesn't it.

If you shout too loud - then you just MUST be...

If you don't shout at all - well that's just conclusive proof!!

The 'he who shouts loudest' or 'he who protests too much' argument is always trotted out as a last line of defence, and usually without anything to follow it up with.

then why can't people just agree that everyone can have a preference without there being anything sinister in it.

I suggested he may be xenophobic (fear of something foreign or strange), not supressing latent TV urges.

But touche, point taken."

Ah yes, sorry I wasn't meaning you had said it as such x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Wishy

I too have no interest in TV/TS's and I too would never research the subject but that doesn't make me ignorant or bigoted.

By reading my original post you researched the subject or did you just wade in without reading it

If you have no interest in such then why did you even bother to read and post on here in the first place.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Because he can.

He was answering wishy's post.

You can't pick and choose who will answer on a thread you have started.

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over a year ago

"Because he can.

He was answering wishy's post.

You can't pick and choose who will answer on a thread you have started."

LOL loving the Tshirt

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

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Now whos's attention seeking

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Because he can.

He was answering wishy's post.

You can't pick and choose who will answer on a thread you have started.

LOL loving the Tshirt

lol ta

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Because he can.

He was answering wishy's post.

You can't pick and choose who will answer on a thread you have started."

Who wishes to pick and choose, certainly not me in fact I welcome all who wish to understand about what is often a very confusing subject to many. The confusion is not helped by the image the popular press often give. He says he has no interest at all yet he reads my thread and comments on it and what others have written. I find that rather strange. If somebody has no interest in the subject matter it just makes me wonder (esp as the title was very clear) why would anybody with no interest bother to read it and even comment on it.

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

Because I can and I enjoy a debate. if you bother to read through your own thread then you'll see I've contributed on a number of occassions. They might not be what you want to hear. However every posts to a thread is valuable in someones opinion. Thats why it's called a forum.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Because he can.

He was answering wishy's post.

You can't pick and choose who will answer on a thread you have started.

To be honest we have no interest in TV's and havn't researched the subject, but I read the thread and joined in.

I suppose no one has to understand why people post or how, only that they are allowed to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have avoided this thread so far I did decide to read the OP, and did so with interest as I don't know much about the world of TV etc. Having said that, I have no particular feelings either way, other than live and let live?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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This is getting a bit too long to load now.

If the OP wants it to carry on maybe start part 2 x

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