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By *hermin1 OP   Man
over a year ago

Nottingham

Apparently cousin sex is not illegal in UK , that being said, would you fuck your cousin?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If she looked like Elle Mcpherson yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently cousin sex is not illegal in UK , that being said, would you fuck your cousin?"

Was married to mine... In the end small minded idiots got to me and we just split. Was still close friends till he sadly passed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my family is messed up as it is, but if one of the 3 made a move i wouldn't back away if the other 2 did i would run for the hills

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By *hermin1 OP   Man
over a year ago

Nottingham


"my family is messed up as it is, but if one of the 3 made a move i wouldn't back away if the other 2 did i would run for the hills"

what do you mean by messed up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't have any cousins as blood relatives, lots of 'step' ones though, many of whom are babes so yes I probably would given the opportunity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a chance. There isntca member of my family I'd ever bother saying hello too so sex is way off the agenda!

On a serious note, as ever each to their own and if it works for them who are we to criticise.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

whilst it may not be illegal and respecting that relationships may work etc..

just seems a tad too close to home, not for me..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No chance, but having said that if she looked like Scarlett Johansson. Then probably yes.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

An old friend of ours was married to her cousin, I wouldn't though as I grew up close with most of my cousins and they were like brothers and sisters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've got a couple of cousins who are every attractive, but no, I still wouldn't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not for me thanks x

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"whilst it may not be illegal and respecting that relationships may work etc..

just seems a tad too close to home, not for me..

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I have always found it strange that is legal anyway

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

No, but they did once have a neighbour who was fit, if that counts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've got a couple of cousins who are every attractive, but no, I still wouldn't"

Not feeling that Ill then

My mission is aborted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've got a couple of cousins who are every attractive, but no, I still wouldn't

Not feeling that Ill then

My mission is aborted "

I still need soup

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Na, I don't like how they all have six fingers on each hand, helps them play the banjo though.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"whilst it may not be illegal and respecting that relationships may work etc..

just seems a tad too close to home, not for me..

I have always found it strange that is legal anyway"

I thought that 2 'first blood cousins' couldn't...?

not sure now..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My cousin has all of a sudden become a strapping handsome young man.. But I do t think I could ever go there! Families are complicated enough as they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think I'd steer well clear. Just seems a bit....strange.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My cousin has all of a sudden become a strapping handsome young man.. But I do t think I could ever go there! Families are complicated enough as they are."

Amen to that.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"whilst it may not be illegal and respecting that relationships may work etc..

just seems a tad too close to home, not for me..

I have always found it strange that is legal anyway"

I guess it dates from a time when people couldn't / didn't move around as much so choice was limited.

Laurie Lee (or someone) wrote 'incest flourishes where the roads are bad '.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there are enough people to fuck in this world without having to involve family members

So no I would'nt fuck any of my many cousins

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

only have male cousins, so no, although some of their partners arent bad.

but, as crystal and wheels said, i dont talk with most of my family, so sex is a definite no no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i don't think i would, i don't look at any of my cousins and see an attraction at all, that's not to say they are all munters, i just don't _iew them in that way, it like looking at my brother, he's just there, i feel the same about my cousins

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, I wouldn't.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

No. I just don't see any of my cousins like that. They're more like brothers.

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Like most I don't really think of them in that way.

But if I was like really d*unk and they were like all over my junk yo, then shit! WTF!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I have nearly over 30 first cousins, from those in their late teens to their early 50s and I don't know them all. I have lost track of the number of 2nd cousins I have. One of my male cousins is attractive and charming and has a naughty side but it just wouldn't be right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When she was alive no as way too young and not my thing

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Not for me ta...bunch of neanderthals to a man as it is, I'm far too fiesty for that lot anyway!

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By *aaLaaWoman
over a year ago

Pontesbury

It is the closest familial relationship allowed. Genetically it isn't a good idea, but where I live there are some big families and it's hard to keep track of who you're related to beyond the second cousin mark

If you related to somebody as a second cousin on both your mum's side and your dad's side, is that worse than a first cousin?

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By *hermin1 OP   Man
over a year ago

Nottingham


"It is the closest familial relationship allowed. Genetically it isn't a good idea, but where I live there are some big families and it's hard to keep track of who you're related to beyond the second cousin mark

If you related to somebody as a second cousin on both your mum's side and your dad's side, is that worse than a first cousin? "

I'm pretty sure that people will look down at it. However, it is not illegal so.................

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not something I would do no matter how gorgeous they were!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently cousin sex is not illegal in UK , that being said, would you fuck your cousin?"

my cousin is very pretty and yes there is nothing wrong but no, we was a massive part of my life growing up like a sister and its wrong in my eyes!

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By *lack PharohMan
over a year ago

Barnet

Each to their own some things I do do not sit well with others , I would not marry my cousin , but I will not look down on those who choose to .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder how many relatives have accidentally got it on? There was a story ages ago about a brother and sister that got married before discovering they were related.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently cousin sex is not illegal in UK , that being said, would you fuck your cousin?"

No! There are millions out there who I am not closely related to who are better looking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently cousin sex is not illegal in UK , that being said, would you fuck your cousin?

Was married to mine... In the end small minded idiots got to me and we just split. Was still close friends till he sadly passed. "
. Few of those posting in this link Hun. Love is a strange thing sometime some people are just meant to be. Fate chooses a lot in life and sometimes you can't help who you fall in love with. I'm sorry it didn't work for you x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

(But im allowed to... )

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By *lleyCat1969Man
over a year ago

Folkestone

One of mine, yes; the other two, no. Unfortunately, the attractive one also has the biggest husband.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Strange thread. Seriously ! This is Jeremy Kyle territory !

Interbreeding is a guaranteed way to produce deformed children. This is the reason there is a strong and justified taboo. In some religions it is common practice and it creates a host of problems.

If you are considering sleeping with your cousin, you do need to seek immediate help.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Strange thread. Seriously ! This is Jeremy Kyle territory !

Interbreeding is a guaranteed way to produce deformed children. This is the reason there is a strong and justified taboo. In some religions it is common practice and it creates a host of problems.

If you are considering sleeping with your cousin, you do need to seek immediate help. "

Guaranteed is a bit strong but it will increase the chances. This is how the idea of the village idiot came about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gotta admit I got two cousins who are not attractive but fuckabke so although it's in the head yes I would ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently cousin sex is not illegal in UK , that being said, would you fuck your cousin?

Was married to mine... In the end small minded idiots got to me and we just split. Was still close friends till he sadly passed. . Few of those posting in this link Hun. Love is a strange thing sometime some people are just meant to be. Fate chooses a lot in life and sometimes you can't help who you fall in love with. I'm sorry it didn't work for you x"

I second that

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Gotta admit I got two cousins who are not attractive but fuckabke so although it's in the head yes I would .."

The deal isn't 'don't fuck them', the deal is 'don't breed with them'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why stop at cousin ? There is no moral difference with it being a closer relative like sister or brother. All result in genetic problems that will cause your offspring life long problems and shorten their life span. The social stigma is there for a reason !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yes you can help who you fall in love with.. You make a choice! That is what separates us from base animals.

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By *otsoSnowWhiteWoman
over a year ago

My Ice Castle! South Wales

I had a major crush on my one cousin when i was a youngster but that was all it was id never have sex with a cousin.

Where i live there are a lot of big families too and i know of a brother and sister who accidently slept together as rhey didnt realise they shared the same Dad!!! If both Mothers had of been bonest about the kids parentage it wouldnt of happened!

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By *otsoSnowWhiteWoman
over a year ago

My Ice Castle! South Wales

*Honest not bonest

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Why stop at cousin ? There is no moral difference with it being a closer relative like sister or brother. All result in genetic problems that will cause your offspring life long problems and shorten their life span. The social stigma is there for a reason !

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There plenty of exclusions scattered through Scripture about which relatives you shouldn't have sex with.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

if my cousin made a pass at me i would give him a boot in the balls.

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By *atelotmanMan
over a year ago

Chatham

Seeing as all my cousin are guy, that's something that will never happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When i saw topic the film deliverance and duelling banjos sprang to mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God no. Well not the ones I know. One of mine is gay, ones a junkie, one is a fat chain smoking layabout, and one would sell his granny if she were still alive.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

No

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

No.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why stop at cousin ? There is no moral difference with it being a closer relative like sister or brother. All result in genetic problems that will cause your offspring life long problems and shorten their life span. The social stigma is there for a reason !

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Because actually there isn't much chance of genetic issues... And I know because I spoke to people about it before having children... I spoke to real doctors about the chances..

So please don't talk about something you clearly have no knowledge of.

And it's others attitudes that ruined a good thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The children of first-cousin marriages have an increased risk of genetic disorders, this is fact. I have a medical background and can guarantee you were advised badly or chose not to listen to the information presented.

Cousin relationships are selfish and not only create real risk for their offspring, the children face social problems due to the taboo of these relationships.

The taboo is there for a reason and long may it remain. 'The cosanguineous marriages also contributed to the development of the 'Hapsburg jaw' which featured in paintings by Titian and Velazaquez. This disfiguring condition is where the lower jaw grows faster than upper jaw.

As well as having this trait, Charles II's tongue was so big he had difficulty speaking and drooled.'

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Why stop at cousin ? There is no moral difference with it being a closer relative like sister or brother. All result in genetic problems that will cause your offspring life long problems and shorten their life span. The social stigma is there for a reason !

Because actually there isn't much chance of genetic issues... And I know because I spoke to people about it before having children... I spoke to real doctors about the chances..

So please don't talk about something you clearly have no knowledge of.

And it's others attitudes that ruined a good thing "

There's a difference between "there isn't much chance of genetic issues" and 'there's more chance of genetic issues becoming a problem between 1st cousins than between two unrelated individuals, even if it's slight'.

Just as with animals, it might be possible to get away with it for a few generations but the likelihood of a problem increases each time it's done.

The incidence of haemophilia amongst members of European royal families has been put down to in-breeding. That's why a bit of fresh blood (the Spencer and Middleton girls for example) is needed from time to time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".....Charles II's tongue was so big he had difficulty speaking and drooled.'

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That's what he and I have in common...

Ladies...

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Why stop at cousin ? There is no moral difference with it being a closer relative like sister or brother. All result in genetic problems that will cause your offspring life long problems and shorten their life span. The social stigma is there for a reason !

Because actually there isn't much chance of genetic issues... And I know because I spoke to people about it before having children... I spoke to real doctors about the chances..

So please don't talk about something you clearly have no knowledge of.

And it's others attitudes that ruined a good thing "
In terms of birth defects, the risks rise from about 2% in the general population to 4% when the parents are closely related.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The children of first-cousin marriages have an increased risk of genetic disorders, this is fact. I have a medical background and can guarantee you were advised badly or chose not to listen to the information presented.

Cousin relationships are selfish and not only create real risk for their offspring, the children face social problems due to the taboo of these relationships.

The taboo is there for a reason and long may it remain. 'The cosanguineous marriages also contributed to the development of the 'Hapsburg jaw' which featured in paintings by Titian and Velazaquez. This disfiguring condition is where the lower jaw grows faster than upper jaw.

As well as having this trait, Charles II's tongue was so big he had difficulty speaking and drooled.'

"

No I'm sure I listened very closely as I wanted to make sure I was not putting my possible children at risk. We were seen by specialists in genetics so pretty sure they knew there stuff at a very well respected hospital.

The risks were explained and were very very low.... Increased though if the closeness was repeated with our children etc. It is not selfish just narrow minded people that chose to think they have the right to say it's not right...

I had many appointments as I already had a child with disabilities from s former relationship.. so it wasn't something I agreed to do lightly...

Abd medical background means nothing unless you specialized in whatever area is being asked. That's like saying a heart surgeon can do what a brain surgeon does.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

And no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The chances of having a ginger child increase by 82%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The children of first-cousin marriages have an increased risk of genetic disorders, this is fact. I have a medical background and can guarantee you were advised badly or chose not to listen to the information presented.

Cousin relationships are selfish and not only create real risk for their offspring, the children face social problems due to the taboo of these relationships.

The taboo is there for a reason and long may it remain. 'The cosanguineous marriages also contributed to the development of the 'Hapsburg jaw' which featured in paintings by Titian and Velazaquez. This disfiguring condition is where the lower jaw grows faster than upper jaw.

As well as having this trait, Charles II's tongue was so big he had difficulty speaking and drooled.'

No I'm sure I listened very closely as I wanted to make sure I was not putting my possible children at risk. We were seen by specialists in genetics so pretty sure they knew there stuff at a very well respected hospital.

The risks were explained and were very very low.... Increased though if the closeness was repeated with our children etc. It is not selfish just narrow minded people that chose to think they have the right to say it's not right...

I had many appointments as I already had a child with disabilities from s former relationship.. so it wasn't something I agreed to do lightly...

Abd medical background means nothing unless you specialized in whatever area is being asked. That's like saying a heart surgeon can do what a brain surgeon does."
. It's ok Hun he's probably a hospital porter lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any blood relation is a major no no. There have been relatives though who in the passed have married into mine. So only related by name/marriage only and I certainly would.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it was that special and enduring.. Why not just move 20 miles away where nobody knew you were cousins?

It is not true that there is just one person out there for you, there are lots of people. Interbreeding tends to happen in towns where people stay there their whole life and they lack ambition to get out and see the rest of the world. Billions of people out there ! No need to breed with your cousin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any blood relation is a major no no. There have been relatives though who in the passed have married into mine. So only related by name/marriage only and I certainly would. "

Is anyone seriously defending cousin fucking ?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any blood relation is a major no no. There have been relatives though who in the passed have married into mine. So only related by name/marriage only and I certainly would.

Is anyone seriously defending cousin fucking ? "

Yes me because there is nothing wrong. As I said there is a slight increase but nothing major..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it was that special and enduring.. Why not just move 20 miles away where nobody knew you were cousins?

It is not true that there is just one person out there for you, there are lots of people. Interbreeding tends to happen in towns where people stay there their whole life and they lack ambition to get out and see the rest of the world. Billions of people out there ! No need to breed with your cousin.

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your very judgemental to say your on a swingers site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it was that special and enduring.. Why not just move 20 miles away where nobody knew you were cousins?

It is not true that there is just one person out there for you, there are lots of people. Interbreeding tends to happen in towns where people stay there their whole life and they lack ambition to get out and see the rest of the world. Billions of people out there ! No need to breed with your cousin.

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Alot of sweep statements there, think it's wrong to comment on a relationship that you nothing about especially questioning how speacial/close it was, think that's below the belt.

Back to the original question no I wouldn't as I dont see my cousina like that but would never judge anyone that did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scuse the typos on a touchscreen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will bow out now as it's a little close to my heart and I cant stand people claiming to have knowledge when they haven't a clue.

X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a combined degree in biology and psychology.. But ended up in clinical psychology. I have seen the effects if people born through incesteous relationships through abuse.

It is not just the increase of genetic abnormalities, it is the effect on the child when they get to school. This is why it is a selfish act. These are the children that end up in therapy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a combined degree in biology and psychology.. But ended up in clinical psychology. I have seen the effects if people born through incesteous relationships through abuse.

It is not just the increase of genetic abnormalities, it is the effect on the child when they get to school. This is why it is a selfish act. These are the children that end up in therapy. "

My children are fine.. as are plenty of others.. oh and I'm a psychologist. The thing that matters to kids is that they are happy..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If someone said the words.. 'Slight increased risk to your children' this is the point you register that it is a bad idea. You move heaven and earth to make sure your children are safe, so creating a child knowing of any increase risk is irresponsible and should be condemned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a combined degree in biology and psychology.. But ended up in clinical psychology. I have seen the effects if people born through incesteous relationships through abuse.

It is not just the increase of genetic abnormalities, it is the effect on the child when they get to school. This is why it is a selfish act. These are the children that end up in therapy. "

That's not the same, that's abuse, totally not the same as Cali being in a loving relationship with someone who just happened to be her cousin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it was that special and enduring.. Why not just move 20 miles away where nobody knew you were cousins?

It is not true that there is just one person out there for you, there are lots of people. Interbreeding tends to happen in towns where people stay there their whole life and they lack ambition to get out and see the rest of the world. Billions of people out there ! No need to breed with your cousin.

Alot of sweep statements there, think it's wrong to comment on a relationship that you nothing about especially questioning how speacial/close it was, think that's below the belt.

Back to the original question no I wouldn't as I dont see my cousina like that but would never judge anyone that did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really, you are a psychologist.. Clinical or research ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a combined degree in biology and psychology.. But ended up in clinical psychology. I have seen the effects if people born through incesteous relationships through abuse.

It is not just the increase of genetic abnormalities, it is the effect on the child when they get to school. This is why it is a selfish act. These are the children that end up in therapy.

That's not the same, that's abuse, totally not the same as Cali being in a loving relationship with someone who just happened to be her cousin."

You here this same defence on Jeremy Kyle 'we were in love'

So what? Love does not absolve moral responsibility

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If someone said the words.. 'Slight increased risk to your children' this is the point you register that it is a bad idea. You move heaven and earth to make sure your children are safe, so creating a child knowing of any increase risk is irresponsible and should be condemned. "

your argument falls on its arse due to these parents that would do anything to stop any harm befalling their children drinking and smoking, through pregnancy

driving too fast/without proper restraints/while talking on their phones, by pushing the buggy out in front whilst trying to cross the road, and all manner of things that parents actually blindly do to put their kids in danger.

personally, i dont care who someone is in a relationship with, as long as its not illegal, i would much rather it be a loving relationship for bringing up any children in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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That's not the same, that's abuse, totally not the same as Cali being in a loving relationship with someone who just happened to be her cousin."

Exactly.. I work with many that have been abused.. it's the abuse not the relationship and incestuous children are going to be more affected because it's illegal and immoral and then the child will know that they were begotten by that coupling.

It's totally different to two people that start s normal happy relationship.. btw the odds I was given was 1 in 25000 chance after the testing that I underwent.. I think you should find that lower than the actual average.. as I said.. I took it seriously and undertook a lot of advice and investigation.. selfish is not something I am when it comes to my children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Abd medical background means nothing unless you specialized in whatever area is being asked. That's like saying a heart surgeon can do what a brain surgeon does."

And yet the specialist who removed my hemorrhoids is now a senior cardiac surgeon...

Meanwhile, back at the whimsy of the original post.... Would anyone fuck their cousin, not have children with, fall in love with or marry...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a combined degree in biology and psychology.. But ended up in clinical psychology. I have seen the effects if people born through incesteous relationships through abuse.

It is not just the increase of genetic abnormalities, it is the effect on the child when they get to school. This is why it is a selfish act. These are the children that end up in therapy.

That's not the same, that's abuse, totally not the same as Cali being in a loving relationship with someone who just happened to be her cousin.

You here this same defence on Jeremy Kyle 'we were in love'

So what? Love does not absolve moral responsibility "

There is nothing morally wrong.. or it would not be permitted..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Really, you are a psychologist.. Clinical or research ?

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Yes as those that know me well can attest too.. and we won't get into who's more qualified

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Really, you are a psychologist.. Clinical or research ?

Yes as those that know me well can attest too.. and we won't get into who's more qualified "

Oh dear. Oh ****ing dear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a combined degree in biology and psychology.. But ended up in clinical psychology. I have seen the effects if people born through incesteous relationships through abuse.

It is not just the increase of genetic abnormalities, it is the effect on the child when they get to school. This is why it is a selfish act. These are the children that end up in therapy.

That's not the same, that's abuse, totally not the same as Cali being in a loving relationship with someone who just happened to be her cousin.

You here this same defence on Jeremy Kyle 'we were in love'

So what? Love does not absolve moral responsibility "

Your hughly judgemental, you do not know the lady in question but you seem to think you have her all worled out and comparing her to someone off of jeremy kyle.

You have no idea about her life or her relationship with her cousin or their children.

It is legal in the uk, she fell in love, they had children and as long as the children are happy I don't see the problem.

It's like your looking for problems where there aren't any.

There are increased risks of downsyndrome etc the older you are having a baby, but many women still do, are you going to get on your soapbox about that too? Perfectly legal but the slight risk is there?

I don't think it's anything to do with risk you just have decided it's wrong and that's that. Life os not as black and white as that, relationships are not as black and white as that, and doing the job you do im surprised that you can't grasp that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christ, what a depressing thread this is.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I do like in when 'experts' try to tell others how their life events went.

We get it Surfer dude, your not in the cousin sex camp but your attitude and condemnation of one poster brave enough to tell her truth is really only making you look bad.

Personally I wouldn't have sex or a relationship with any of my cousins but I don't think any less of those people who do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Really, you are a psychologist.. Clinical or research ?

Yes as those that know me well can attest too.. and we won't get into who's more qualified

Oh dear. Oh ****ing dear. "

Pssssst....For Tourettes you will need a psychiatrist not a psychologist...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a combined degree in biology and psychology.. But ended up in clinical psychology. I have seen the effects if people born through incesteous relationships through abuse.

It is not just the increase of genetic abnormalities, it is the effect on the child when they get to school. This is why it is a selfish act. These are the children that end up in therapy.

That's not the same, that's abuse, totally not the same as Cali being in a loving relationship with someone who just happened to be her cousin.

You here this same defence on Jeremy Kyle 'we were in love'

So what? Love does not absolve moral responsibility

Your hughly judgemental, you do not know the lady in question but you seem to think you have her all worled out and comparing her to someone off of jeremy kyle.

You have no idea about her life or her relationship with her cousin or their children.

It is legal in the uk, she fell in love, they had children and as long as the children are happy I don't see the problem.

It's like your looking for problems where there aren't any.

There are increased risks of downsyndrome etc the older you are having a baby, but many women still do, are you going to get on your soapbox about that too? Perfectly legal but the slight risk is there?

I don't think it's anything to do with risk you just have decided it's wrong and that's that. Life os not as black and white as that, relationships are not as black and white as that, and doing the job you do im surprised that you can't grasp that?"

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Really, you are a psychologist.. Clinical or research ?

Yes as those that know me well can attest too.. and we won't get into who's more qualified "
I find that difficult to believe to be honest....fairplay to you.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"

Was married to mine... In the end small minded idiots got to me and we just split. Was still close friends till he sadly passed. "

Forgive me for getting confused but it is my age....not wanting to pry but have you been married a few times? As I thought you once said you were married to an abusive man and that was why you divorced him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Was married to mine... In the end small minded idiots got to me and we just split. Was still close friends till he sadly passed.

Forgive me for getting confused but it is my age....not wanting to pry but have you been married a few times? As I thought you once said you were married to an abusive man and that was why you divorced him.

"

Ive been married twice .. had numerous awful relationships.. last husband would mentally abused me.. my first husband was my cousin. We had been close since we were babies. We remained friends after we split up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Was married to mine... In the end small minded idiots got to me and we just split. Was still close friends till he sadly passed.

Forgive me for getting confused but it is my age....not wanting to pry but have you been married a few times? As I thought you once said you were married to an abusive man and that was why you divorced him.

"

That may have been number two...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread has turned awful with one person brave enough to tell her story having to defend herself and her actions and for what? Someone is so ignorant they can't accept that people can't help who they fall in love with.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"This thread has turned awful with one person brave enough to tell her story having to defend herself and her actions and for what? Someone is so ignorant they can't accept that people can't help who they fall in love with."

I think to some it's taboo and when someone is so open about something that people air their concerns or _iews....I don't have any _iews on it but it's certainly not something I would enter into....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This thread has turned awful with one person brave enough to tell her story having to defend herself and her actions and for what? Someone is so ignorant they can't accept that people can't help who they fall in love with."

Welcome to internet forums...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This thread has turned awful with one person brave enough to tell her story having to defend herself and her actions and for what? Someone is so ignorant they can't accept that people can't help who they fall in love with."

Thanks. I am not ashamed or I would keep quiet... And I'm used to it now... To be honest mostly it only comes up if someone else brings it up..

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"This thread has turned awful with one person brave enough to tell her story having to defend herself and her actions and for what? Someone is so ignorant they can't accept that people can't help who they fall in love with."

Hey, no one has to defend themselves for anything, they can walk away from the thread and ignore anyone who doesn't agree with what they are saying

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"

Was married to mine... In the end small minded idiots got to me and we just split. Was still close friends till he sadly passed.

Forgive me for getting confused but it is my age....not wanting to pry but have you been married a few times? As I thought you once said you were married to an abusive man and that was why you divorced him.

Ive been married twice .. had numerous awful relationships.. last husband would mentally abused me.. my first husband was my cousin. We had been close since we were babies. We remained friends after we split up. "

Ok, thanks for answering, although I am still a bit confused but I might stay that way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh I get that people can walk away but I don't think I could if I had strong opinions on something.

No I wouldn't do anything with my cousins but I certainly wouldn't judge anyone else for what they get up to. It's their business, that's it. He without son cast the first stone and all of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Was married to mine... In the end small minded idiots got to me and we just split. Was still close friends till he sadly passed.

Forgive me for getting confused but it is my age....not wanting to pry but have you been married a few times? As I thought you once said you were married to an abusive man and that was why you divorced him.

Ive been married twice .. had numerous awful relationships.. last husband would mentally abused me.. my first husband was my cousin. We had been close since we were babies. We remained friends after we split up.

Ok, thanks for answering, although I am still a bit confused but I might stay that way "

Ive had 2 marriages and 4what I would call serious relationships... I'm much happier now being single lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh I get that people can walk away but I don't think I could if I had strong opinions on something.

No I wouldn't do anything with my cousins but I certainly wouldn't judge anyone else for what they get up to. It's their business, that's it. He without son cast the first stone and all of that."

And out of the crowd came a big rock.. Killed the hooker....!!!! And Jesus turned and sighed.... " Sometimes mother, you really annoy me..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry Cali if I offended you, it sounds like you have had a rough time. Some of this is due to bad decisions you have made and I think this settles why it is better to broaden your mate selection outside your own gene pool.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Sorry Cali if I offended you, it sounds like you have had a rough time. Some of this is due to bad decisions you have made and I think this settles why it is better to broaden your mate selection outside your own gene pool. "

Oh dear god....how do you come to the conclusion that her decisions were bad? Her decisions were her decisions....as for her mate selection that her own business who she chooses as a mate....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry Cali if I offended you, it sounds like you have had a rough time. Some of this is due to bad decisions you have made and I think this settles why it is better to broaden your mate selection outside your own gene pool.

Oh dear god....how do you come to the conclusion that her decisions were bad? Her decisions were her decisions....as for her mate selection that her own business who she chooses as a mate...."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow, some people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Correct me if im wrong but aint it the norm for muslims to marry their cousins??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry Cali if I offended you, it sounds like you have had a rough time. Some of this is due to bad decisions you have made and I think this settles why it is better to broaden your mate selection outside your own gene pool. "

How can you offer an apology yet still criticise?!? Unbelievable.

So the hard luck she has had is down to the fact she married her cousin? Again unbelievable!!

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry Cali if I offended you, it sounds like you have had a rough time. Some of this is due to bad decisions you have made and I think this settles why it is better to broaden your mate selection outside your own gene pool.

Oh dear god....how do you come to the conclusion that her decisions were bad? Her decisions were her decisions....as for her mate selection that her own business who she chooses as a mate...."

I was wondering how he came to his conclusion.. and as my first marriage was only good one maybe I should try a cousin on my fathers side next .. ( joke btw. I don't see them like that)

Not sure why you have thought it proves your argument either as none of my terrible relationship choices were down to genetics..

Life is hard but you do your best.. so don't need anyone to feel sorry for me... Some don't agree but the fact is it's not illegal and I it's not incestuous or it wouldn't be allowed.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Correct me if im wrong but aint it the norm for muslims to marry their cousins??"

It's not unusual for there to be cousins marrying each across the Indian sub-continent, not just Muslims. It has been a cause for concern in East London where hospitals and doctors have seen an increase in inherited genetic disabilities and there has been an education programme about the risks.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Correct me if im wrong but aint it the norm for muslims to marry their cousins??"

Many religions marry their relatives including Muslims and it's considered normal practise....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry Cali if I offended you, it sounds like you have had a rough time. Some of this is due to bad decisions you have made and I think this settles why it is better to broaden your mate selection outside your own gene pool.

Oh dear god....how do you come to the conclusion that her decisions were bad? Her decisions were her decisions....as for her mate selection that her own business who she chooses as a mate....

I was wondering how he came to his conclusion.. and as my first marriage was only good one maybe I should try a cousin on my fathers side next .. ( joke btw. I don't see them like that)

Not sure why you have thought it proves your argument either as none of my terrible relationship choices were down to genetics..

Life is hard but you do your best.. so don't need anyone to feel sorry for me... Some don't agree but the fact is it's not illegal and I it's not incestuous or it wouldn't be allowed."

raise above it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Correct me if im wrong but aint it the norm for muslims to marry their cousins??

It's not unusual for there to be cousins marrying each across the Indian sub-continent, not just Muslims. It has been a cause for concern in East London where hospitals and doctors have seen an increase in inherited genetic disabilities and there has been an education programme about the risks.

"

I was told it became an issue if my parents were related etc and if you keep mixing like that ..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Correct me if im wrong but aint it the norm for muslims to marry their cousins??

It's not unusual for there to be cousins marrying each across the Indian sub-continent, not just Muslims. It has been a cause for concern in East London where hospitals and doctors have seen an increase in inherited genetic disabilities and there has been an education programme about the risks.

I was told it became an issue if my parents were related etc and if you keep mixing like that .. "

Yes. The most common problem has been increased cases of cleft palate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Yes. The most common problem has been increased cases of cleft palate.

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This was why I saw a specialist because I wanted to know ... They were very clear that one generation of doing it there was very little risk.. but the more times it happens the risks increase. If you have 3 generations in a row then the risks really start to increase.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The risk of birth defects is actually lower for first cousins than women over 40.. or those that drink regular and even those that smoke.

The only except is if there is a inherited genetic issue..and your both from the side of the family carrying it...

If you do in depth research you can find those results.. however like when I first checked.. it seems to be a common misconception that your twice as likely to have problems

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Really, you are a psychologist.. Clinical or research ?

Yes as those that know me well can attest too.. and we won't get into who's more qualified

Oh dear. Oh ****ing dear. "

I thought that should elicit more more of a hahhaaaaaaaaaa fnarrrrrrrrr haaaaa haaaaaaaaaa ha ha haaaa .... oh dear.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Oh I get that people can walk away but I don't think I could if I had strong opinions on something.

No I wouldn't do anything with my cousins but I certainly wouldn't judge anyone else for what they get up to. It's their business, that's it. He without son cast the first stone and all of that.

And out of the crowd came a big rock.. Killed the hooker....!!!! And Jesus turned and sighed.... " Sometimes mother, you really annoy me...""

Now you're just making me larrrf.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"The risk of birth defects is actually lower for first cousins than women over 40.. or those that drink regular and even those that smoke.

The only except is if there is a inherited genetic issue..and your both from the side of the family carrying it...

If you do in depth research you can find those results.. however like when I first checked.. it seems to be a common misconception that your twice as likely to have problems"

If, as someone said above, the risk goes from 2% to 4% - that IS twice as likely.

Regardless of the %ages, why take the risk at all?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'm still waiting for someone to mention the British Royal Family ...?

If it's good enough for them ...surely it's ...... ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I'm still waiting for someone to mention the British Royal Family ...?

If it's good enough for them ...surely it's ...... ?"

I did. Last night, in the context of European royal families, consanguinity and the need for fresh blood.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Are you reading a Vampire Trilogy ...?

If facial features are anything to go by Frogs and Horses figure largely in Royal goings on ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought blood relatives was interbreeding and could lead to birth defects in children. thought it was second cousins as blood relatives is the same as sleeping with your sister??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not got any cousins so quite safe on that front.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I wonder where donor insemination leaves this debate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The risk of birth defects is actually lower for first cousins than women over 40.. or those that drink regular and even those that smoke.

The only except is if there is a inherited genetic issue..and your both from the side of the family carrying it...

If you do in depth research you can find those results.. however like when I first checked.. it seems to be a common misconception that your twice as likely to have problems

If, as someone said above, the risk goes from 2% to 4% - that IS twice as likely.

Regardless of the %ages, why take the risk at all?"

Does that also mean you wouldn't have children with a lady over 40 (or even who drinks/smokes regularly)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Correct me if im wrong but aint it the norm for muslims to marry their cousins??

Many religions marry their relatives including Muslims and it's considered normal practise...."

I think it's more a geographic phenomenon as Muslims across the arab region aren't particular about this practise... The Indian sub continent is a different matter..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The risk of birth defects is actually lower for first cousins than women over 40.. or those that drink regular and even those that smoke.

The only except is if there is a inherited genetic issue..and your both from the side of the family carrying it...

If you do in depth research you can find those results.. however like when I first checked.. it seems to be a common misconception that your twice as likely to have problems

If, as someone said above, the risk goes from 2% to 4% - that IS twice as likely.

Regardless of the %ages, why take the risk at all?"

It's actually the least .. and it doesn't go up to 2 to 4 % that's my point.. it is 1.5% risk.. which is lower than the risk of the over 40s, those that smoke and those that drink. And having a baby is a risk...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having a child full stop can be a risk. Regardless if the people are related, over 40 etc. Some couples end up with children that have problems it's just life. Children that have problems are only given to special people in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having a child full stop can be a risk. Regardless if the people are related, over 40 etc. Some couples end up with children that have problems it's just life. Children that have problems are only given to special people in my opinion. "

that cant be right.

V's sister has an autistic child, and she is a fcuking nightmare.

makes the child worse by stressing when he is having an episode.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Having a child full stop can be a risk. Regardless if the people are related, over 40 etc. Some couples end up with children that have problems it's just life. Children that have problems are only given to special people in my opinion. "

That'll be the 21st century definition of special then.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"The risk of birth defects is actually lower for first cousins than women over 40.. or those that drink regular and even those that smoke.

The only except is if there is a inherited genetic issue..and your both from the side of the family carrying it...

If you do in depth research you can find those results.. however like when I first checked.. it seems to be a common misconception that your twice as likely to have problems"
Wow I am very impressed you saw a geneticist before having children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The risk of birth defects is actually lower for first cousins than women over 40.. or those that drink regular and even those that smoke.

The only except is if there is a inherited genetic issue..and your both from the side of the family carrying it...

If you do in depth research you can find those results.. however like when I first checked.. it seems to be a common misconception that your twice as likely to have problemsWow I am very impressed you saw a geneticist before having children. "

I already had a child with disabilities so wanted to be as sure as I could.. they were great anf once pregnant I had several special scans to check for any problems early on.. including the nuchal fold scan..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having a child full stop can be a risk. Regardless if the people are related, over 40 etc. Some couples end up with children that have problems it's just life. Children that have problems are only given to special people in my opinion.

that cant be right.

V's sister has an autistic child, and she is a fcuking nightmare.

makes the child worse by stressing when he is having an episode."
. That's probably down to how she handles the child. My friend had a child with no cleft at all yet her previous children have had no problems at all.

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By *hermin1 OP   Man
over a year ago

Nottingham


"Gotta admit I got two cousins who are not attractive but fuckabke so although it's in the head yes I would ..

The deal isn't 'don't fuck them', the deal is 'don't breed with them'."

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