FabSwingers.com forum: Should smoking areas in hospital grounds be scrapped altogether?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

As the debate sparks-up under heightened media attention, MSN are running a poll asking the above question…

So what do ya reckon…. ?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They already are in Doncaster and on the grounds. And I think its right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no.. i dont smoke but id imagine being in hospital for some people can be very stressfull and they might need a ciggie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that if you are going to ban smoking completely you have to have a relaxed attitude towards it I f or one wouldn't want to go and tell someone who has just lost a relative that they can't smoke there, you might as well say please punch me I am stupid

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By *arlock69Man
over a year ago

Batley... (near Leeds)

They can't stop people smoking outside...its called freedom of choice!!...if smoking is banned in hospital grounds then surely it should be totally banned in prisons?...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not supposed to smoke on hospital grounds at my local but patients on drips still stood smoking outside the entrance.

Took no notice of being told to stop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the arguments for and against need to be made before you go for go for radical things like that.

They serve a purpose for people who unfortunately need them. Why do they need to be removed all of a sudden?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think they should be scrapped, some in patients couldn't manage to get outside the hospital grounds.

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By *imply_SensualMan
over a year ago

warrington

I dont think they should be scrapped, as above, some people will find hospital quite stressful, whether there as a patient or a visitor.

But, I do think they should be moved somewhere so other people going to the hospital dont have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get through a door - thats the part that infuriates me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Are Hospital Staff allowed to smoke on the premises….?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont think they should be scrapped, as above, some people will find hospital quite stressful, whether there as a patient or a visitor.

But, I do think they should be moved somewhere so other people going to the hospital dont have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get through a door - thats the part that infuriates me."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Difficult one. For me yes. My experience when I was on the maternity ward, they even had a smoking room just outside the unit where all the pregnant women could go

Then there were the smokers congregating right outside the entrance. The whole lobby stunk of it. I myself only smoke occasionally after a drink so not bothered but thinking if mr notts had to go in for a spell he'd really struggle.

Don't know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, don't think it should. The NHS don't have the right to tell people if they can or can't smoke by force.

HAving said that, they definitely do need to make sure its done away from the entrances or any areas where the smoke could affect anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a non smoker. I've seen patients in wheelchairs outside the main door smoking, some are attached to drips and things, I've even seen the odd one out there in their hospital bed. Why not give them a smoking room somewhere?

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"I dont think they should be scrapped, as above, some people will find hospital quite stressful, whether there as a patient or a visitor.

But, I do think they should be moved somewhere so other people going to the hospital dont have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get through a door - thats the part that infuriates me."

Agree with this. Smoking areas should be away from entrances. Also undercover and with plenty of bins/ashtrays. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think people have the right to do what they like. If that means them smoking then fine. BUT I don't believe in other people being inflicted.

The other day I saw a couple pulling away in their car from a supermarket. Both smoking and windows fully up. Two little children on the back seat. I hate seeing that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are Hospital Staff allowed to smoke on the premises….?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The subject is on The Wright Stuff after the break

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

If cigarettes - which kill thousands every year - are that dangerous, why are they not banned ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Are Hospital Staff allowed to smoke on the premises….?

No"

So where do hospital staff go to smoke?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think they should be banned. I'd go as ffar as saying let the seriously ill patients have a room.. well away from others etc.

But it should just be away from the doors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Without doubt but so long as you have medical staff smoking and willing to help smokers by showing best place to go its the policing of it thats difficult.

I run risk of earache now but if folk are ill and in hospital are not prepared to make effort to stop smoking then in my _iew should be not at front of queue for treatment.

End of day folk go to hospital to get better so those actually prepared to make their own life healthier get priority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No way ... as it is smokers are treated like lepers and if you are visiting a sick friend or worse still , a parent or child , you would be so stressed !

Driving your car , having sex , alcohol , overeating all are risks and yet there are hospitals serving greggs !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's wrong with Greggs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's wrong with Greggs

Cheap mass produced stodge ... a major influence in the rise in obesity and diabetes .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thought it was just a sandwich ship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

Horrible things happen and sometimes people need that ciggie.

I agree with a proper area set aside but accessible to those who cant walk to another area ,re drips.etc.

When i was last in....it was the actual nurses who took me out as then they had a way of getting a fag break.

Smoking is legal...people have the choice and i hate those trying to take that choice away because "they" dont like it.

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

"Thought it was just a sandwich ship.

I've been on a restaurant boat in Barcelona. I like the sound of your idea

(non smoking one of course)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oops

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are Hospital Staff allowed to smoke on the premises….?

So where do hospital staff go to smoke?

I think they are told not to but I've seen staff smoking on the grounds, they usually try to hide around corners and out of _iew

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By *uteguy06Man
over a year ago

Swindon

The Hospital here in Swindon has a No Smoking on Hospital Grounds Policy, but you see plenty of people who don't care and still smoke!

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By *hyllyphyllyMan
over a year ago

Bradford

No, I understand the reason not to smoke indoors, but people should be able to smoke wherever they want outside.

I'm an ex smoker and no smoking signs outside used to wind me up..... I'm looking at you Keighley Railway station.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"no.. i dont smoke but id imagine being in hospital for some people can be very stressfull and they might need a ciggie "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My hospital banned it yonks ago in grounds,people still do it,but not to the extent it was yrs ago,nobody gets arrested,

Staff have to go off premises so a lot can't smoke as takes too long to get there,echo cigs are a good invention

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If cigarettes - which kill thousands every year - are that dangerous, why are they not banned ?"

it may be due to the tax revenues as for smoking i am a non smoker however people have the right to smoke as long as it doesn't impact on others then let them get on with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are Hospital Staff allowed to smoke on the premises….?

So where do hospital staff go to smoke?

I think they are told not to but I've seen staff smoking on the grounds, they usually try to hide around corners and out of _iew "

Good for them, cant stand all these do gooders.

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

My old work place tried to make it a non smoking site, then after two small fires in hidden smoking places changed their minds on a safety factor and gave us smoking shelters

so no making the whole hospital grounds non smoking will not work as there will be places smokers will find to have a ciggy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the cost of preventable disease that we're talking about. But extend that to obesity and what would we do there, ban food? There's no easy answer unfortunately as you can't legislate against people killing themselves via food, drink or smoking.

But I'd certainly back a 100%, zero tolerance campaign on NHS property.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are quite alot of doctors and nurses who smoke, so banning it wont work.

I would much rather have my surgeon all relaxed after a ciggie than being a right grump because some bloody dogooder says he cant have one outside. Wobbly hands and grumpy staff isnt what i want when in hospital.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are quite alot of doctors and nurses who smoke, so banning it wont work.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

I don't smoke but my dad was a heavy smoker and even I think it was OTT he couldn't have gone too long without a fag

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"If cigarettes - which kill thousands every year - are that dangerous, why are they not banned ?

it may be due to the tax revenues as for smoking i am a non smoker however people have the right to smoke as long as it doesn't impact on others then let them get on with it.

So why is cannabis illegal ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dont think they should be scrapped, as above, some people will find hospital quite stressful, whether there as a patient or a visitor.

But, I do think they should be moved somewhere so other people going to the hospital dont have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get through a door - thats the part that nfuriatesme.

indeed. Why not provide an air conditioned smokers lounge? At one hospital I know of the smokers all stood under the windows of the premature baby unit! Just happened to be near the front doors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't smoke but my dad was a heavy smoker and even I think it was OTT he couldn't have gone too long without a fag"

My old dad was a chain smoker and didnt die of a smoking related illness but when in hospital ,we informed the staff about this and they said they would give him patches...

It didnt happen at first because they forgot

then wondered why he was going doolally without any help.

Patches eventually given and no problems

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

Absolutely ban smoking in hospitals. I am currently visiting a relative and cant believe how often there ks spmeone in a wheel chair taking off their oxygen to smoke. Surprised tbey dont blow themselves up but i find it hard to sympathetic in any way.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

"I don't smoke but my dad was a heavy smoker and even I think it was OTT he couldn't have gone too long without a fag

My old dad was a chain smoker and didnt die of a smoking related illness but when in hospital ,we informed the staff about this and they said they would give him patches...

It didnt happen at first because they forgot

then wondered why he was going doolally without any help.

Patches eventually given and no problems "

good idea he don't need anything now he didn't die from a smoking related illness either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it's a good idea to ban them totally - a forced withdrawal of anything that the body is used to can cause more immediate physical and psychological problems. Proper shelters far enough away from doors and windows should suffice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes - they should also ban smoking by doorways everywhere in public.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

As long as the offer nicotine replacement therapy then it should be banned from hospital grounds. This should include staff. Nothing worse than having to walk through a band of smokers outside a hospital entrance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a smoke free hospital where I work or should I say supposed to be ... Still loads of patients and relatives smoking by the entrance ... I am a smoker myself but I walk out of the grounds on my lunch break for a quick cig , it's sackable offence to be smoking on the hospital grounds in our uniform .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bull don't smoke, but I have nothing against people who do and I don't agree with the ban on hospital grounds. When my grandmother past away everyone was out side and my parents, grandad and cousin were smoking. Now who's going the be the heartless person to say stop that you can't do it? I will cause more trouble if someone tried that tbh. I agree with smoking shelters tho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As long as the offer nicotine replacement therapy then it should be banned from hospital grounds. This should include staff. Nothing worse than having to walk through a band of smokers outside a hospital entrance "

But they dont.....

This sounds daft but the only reason i managed to go out with a nurse to where they all hide, along with the doctors....was because my main visitor was one of my best mates....she is the hospitals main social worker.

Those who couldnt give a shit about patient welfare, were worried i would say summat

I wouldnt have done but its weird they changed their minds and took me out after previously saying no....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I bull don't smoke, but I have nothing against people who do and I don't agree with the ban on hospital grounds. When my grandmother past away everyone was out side and my parents, grandad and cousin were smoking. Now who's going the be the heartless person to say stop that you can't do it? I will cause more trouble if someone tried that tbh. I agree with smoking shelters tho "

if they provided proper snoking shelters or areas it would look far better for the hospital

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't smoke but I don't feel that it should be banned. Just have designated areas..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its alrwady already banned here anywhere on the hospital grounds no one takes any notice though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As the debate sparks-up under heightened media attention, MSN are running a poll asking the above question…

So what do ya reckon…. ?

No !

Like another poster said will they ban Greggs and stop selling sweets and fizzy drinks too?

Obesity is a bigger problem in the UK and the do gooders Should ask for a ban on fast food outlets and better education on binge eating instead.

Imagine if a patient had to leave the hospital premises because of the smoking ban and collapsed or suddenly got ill? Imagine the resources used by the NHS just to get that patient back into the hospital again.

It's a stupid idea to ban smoking in hospitals. Maybe in a place like North Korea it might sound a good idea but in a democracy that advocates freedom of choice it's ridiculous.

My opinion of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No! i'd imagine being in hospital for some people can be very stressfull and they might need a ciggie "

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If cigarettes - which kill thousands every year - are that dangerous, why are they not banned ?

it may be due to the tax revenues as for smoking i am a non smoker however people have the right to smoke as long as it doesn't impact on others then let them get on with it.

So why is cannabis illegal ?"

Too many people (tobacco and alcohol industries) have too much to lose.

We are smokers and always considerate but woe betide anyone that comes and sits outside near us then has the cheek to moan about the smoke.

Personally if I (male) had to choose one to keep or make legal it would be but realisticly people should be able to make their own choices to a point as lets face it making things illegal just makes it harder to get hold of and more impure therefore dangerous but never ever will stop it.

Cigs give you cancer,alcohol destroys lives as bad as any drug known to man. Skunk would have to be regulated as too much can cause physcosis.

The old chesnut of being a gateway drug is a load of claptrap. Cigs and drink are gateway drugs as you try them first and then try others if that way inclined anyway.

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

"If cigarettes - which kill thousands every year - are that dangerous, why are they not banned ?"
so do cars

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If cigarettes - which kill thousands every year - are that dangerous, why are they not banned ?so do cars"

1,901 road deaths in 2010

34,859 deaths from lung cancers in 2010

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If cigarettes - which kill thousands every year - are that dangerous, why are they not banned ?

it may be due to the tax revenues as for smoking i am a non smoker however people have the right to smoke as long as it doesn't impact on others then let them get on with it.

So why is cannabis illegal ?"

perhaps it may be because they are hallucinogenic.

i don't set taxation laws within the country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If cigarettes - which kill thousands every year - are that dangerous, why are they not banned "

in a word TAX

even thought the government put's over a caring no smoking attitude they will never ban fags, even thought they have the power to because they make to much money off them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No and I'm a non smoker. Enough is enough someone needs to take a stand against all our basic human rights, being gradually taken from us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If cigarettes - which kill thousands every year - are that dangerous, why are they not banned

in a word TAX

even thought the government put's over a caring no smoking attitude they will never ban fags, even thought they have the power to because they make to much money off them

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"If cigarettes - which kill thousands every year - are that dangerous, why are they not banned

in a word TAX

even thought the government put's over a caring no smoking attitude they will never ban fags, even thought they have the power to because they make to much money off them

Ah, so they are hypocrites undeserving of our respect. Glad we sorted that out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If cigarettes - which kill thousands every year - are that dangerous, why are they not banned

in a word TAX

even thought the government put's over a caring no smoking attitude they will never ban fags, even thought they have the power to because they make to much money off them

Ah, so they are hypocrites undeserving of our respect. Glad we sorted that out

im just shocked you needed confirmation of the obvious

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I don't like walking through the cloud of smoke and I really hate it when I can smell cigarettes on a medical professional examining me. But, I do understand the stress issue and a designated area away from the entrance should be provided and people actively moved there if they are smoking elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are Hospital Staff allowed to smoke on the premises….?

nope and as far as i know not in uniform either

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By *etanreadyCouple
over a year ago

dover

Don't give these H&S cretines any more ammo, if they had there own way, they would ban any aircraft flying above there air space from smoking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are Hospital Staff allowed to smoke on the premises….?

So where do hospital staff go to smoke?

well if you watch Casualty or Holby city they just go outside the entrance to the building to smoke

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

Why do we have to ban everything. Its all getting abit 1984 for me. What's wrong with personal choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't smoke but I don't feel that it should be banned. Just have designated areas.."
yes out of the way from the public so everyone is happy .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you dont like smoke simply remove yourself its obvious if i am smoking i dont give two shits about your health either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely not, NO.

With all the recent goings on at such as the Staffs hospital, surely the NHS top bods should concentrate on doing their own job properly and run the Hospitals correctly in the first place.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why do we have to ban everything. Its all getting abit 1984 for me. What's wrong with personal choice"

Personal choice is fine. Kill yourself by any means available. If smoking is your chosen method, fine. It's slower and more expensive than some methods but it's your choice.

Just don't involve innocent bystanders, the elderly or children for example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do we have to ban everything. Its all getting abit 1984 for me. What's wrong with personal choice

Personal choice is fine. Kill yourself by any means available. If smoking is your chosen method, fine. It's slower and more expensive than some methods but it's your choice.

Just don't involve innocent bystanders, the elderly or children for example."

lol, and just how many innocent bystanders, the elderly and/or children, take to hanging around hospital grounds?

What makes me laugh, certainly at a local hospital, and most likely at most hospitals, is the amount of noxious shit pumped out by car exhaust fume ON SITE. Not helped by the endless circling for a rare parking spot ( whilst the huge, and free, staff car park is vastly underused.

Are there any plans to make all motorists park off site? Doubt it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Freedom of choice ... Human rights

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do we have to ban everything. Its all getting abit 1984 for me. What's wrong with personal choice

Personal choice is fine. Kill yourself by any means available. If smoking is your chosen method, fine. It's slower and more expensive than some methods but it's your choice.

Just don't involve innocent bystanders, the elderly or children for example.

lol, and just how many innocent bystanders, the elderly and/or children, take to hanging around hospital grounds?

Are there any plans to make all motorists park off site? Doubt it."

You hit the nail on the head thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow you know hospitals with free staff parking...??? Be jesusssss I need to jump ship

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe if there weren't so many selfish smokers it wouldn't be an issue.

Car fumes has nothing to do with the issue of smoking other than to deflect attention.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why do we have to ban everything. Its all getting abit 1984 for me. What's wrong with personal choice

Personal choice is fine. Kill yourself by any means available. If smoking is your chosen method, fine. It's slower and more expensive than some methods but it's your choice.

Just don't involve innocent bystanders, the elderly or children for example.

lol, and just how many innocent bystanders, the elderly and/or children, take to hanging around hospital grounds?

Are there any plans to make all motorists park off site? Doubt it."

Nice try at changing the subject.

No score and no conversion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No selfish smoker here i will share a tok with whoever ask

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Maybe if there weren't so many selfish smokers it wouldn't be an issue.

Car fumes has nothing to do with the issue of smoking other than to deflect attention."

Is there any other sort of smoker?

The worst are the ones who insist 'I don't smoke anywhere near my children' yet are happy to infect other people's children with their carcinogenic fug.

All the while, other people are infecting their kids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow you know hospitals with free staff parking...??? Be jesusssss I need to jump ship

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was thinking that I pay £30 a month to park at the hospital I work at

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are Hospital Staff allowed to smoke on the premises….?

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are Hospital Staff allowed to smoke on the premises….?

So where do hospital staff go to smoke?

Outside of hospital grounds but iuniform hasbto be covered, if not an 80 quid fine if caught

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Are Hospital Staff allowed to smoke on the premises….?

So where do hospital staff go to smoke?

Outside of hospital grounds but iuniform hasbto be covered, if not an 80 quid fine if caught"

OMG....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Wow you know hospitals with free staff parking...??? Be jesusssss I need to jump ship

was thinking that I pay £30 a month to park at the hospital I work at

That's not on.

Hospitals are often in out of the way places and shifts don't lend themselves to public transport.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the docs n nurses deserve a cig break atleast

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

"As the debate sparks-up under heightened media attention, MSN are running a poll asking the above question…

So what do ya reckon…. ?

yes, we work in the NHS, many times we see people smoking whilst using gas

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"the docs n nurses deserve a cig break atleast"

Not smoking should be a job requirement for doctors and nurses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely not, NO.

With all the recent goings on at such as the Staffs hospital, surely the NHS top bods should concentrate on doing their own job properly and run the Hospitals correctly in the first place.

Agree with dog's bollocks here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the docs n nurses deserve a cig break atleast

Not smoking should be a job requirement for doctors and nurses."

What is this.

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