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"Aye you are gonna stir up a hornets nest with this topic !be prepared to be bombarded .... "just a question do you think that the maths stack up with free child care etc like the Scandinavian model, however there will be no tax increase. | |||
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"Aye you are gonna stir up a hornets nest with this topic !be prepared to be bombarded .... "Me? If so please bombard away. Because I have listened to Mr Salomond and watched what he has done is Scotland and wonder exactly how he will pay for everything when he has to supply your independent country with armed forces, border forces, a civil service and tax collection service...all from north sea oil... Oh yes and of course EU regional and poor grants! I for 1 see no reason why if the Scots vote for independence that I should subsidize Mr Salomond's and the SNP's empire building. Of course I fully understand why Scots may not like this idea. If I were a Scot I know I wouldn't!  | |||
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Only difference is this time some of them think that not only can they come down south smash up Wembley and tear down the goalposts but they can get us to pay their coach fares too!
I think if they vote "Out" we should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and make them pay to come south! 
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"I wasn't looking to start a scrap honest, or a debate on "in or out", I just wondered about the oil and gas! Just wondered which nugget was giving away UK assets. "It's actualy part of the Geneva Agreement concerning natural resourses which are under water. And they go by the Meridian Line, (the border). Which means, in laymans terms, that Scotland will own 91% of the oil and gas, and England gets 9%. Hope that answers your question. | |||
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"I wasn't looking to start a scrap honest, or a debate on "in or out", I just wondered about the oil and gas! Just wondered which nugget was giving away UK assets. "same here i can't see how he can pay for all he has promised however it would be nice to hear from the people it affects. | |||
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"If and I think its a big if the Scots vote yes then we should have a referendum on whether they should share our currency.." The Government have already said they can't, because money is a promissory note from the Bank of England. They have the Bank of Scotland. Oh, wait.... | |||
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"If and I think its a big if the Scots vote yes then we should have a referendum on whether they should share our currency.. The Government have already said they can't, because money is a promissory note from the Bank of England. They have the Bank of Scotland. Oh, wait.... "What difference would it make? There's already places in england that don't accept scottish pounds. | |||
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"I wasn't looking to start a scrap honest, or a debate on "in or out", I just wondered about the oil and gas! Just wondered which nugget was giving away UK assets.
It's actualy part of the Geneva Agreement concerning natural resourses which are under water. And they go by the Meridian Line, (the border). Which means, in laymans terms, that Scotland will own 91% of the oil and gas, and England gets 9%. Hope that answers your question."Ah, I knew sooner or later someone would give me the answer... many thanks, now I get it. In a nutshell, we are screwed lol! | |||
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"I wasn't looking to start a scrap honest, or a debate on "in or out", I just wondered about the oil and gas! Just wondered which nugget was giving away UK assets.
It's actualy part of the Geneva Agreement concerning natural resourses which are under water. And they go by the Meridian Line, (the border). Which means, in laymans terms, that Scotland will own 91% of the oil and gas, and England gets 9%. Hope that answers your question.
Ah, I knew sooner or later someone would give me the answer... many thanks, now I get it. In a nutshell, we are screwed lol! "Why? Won't the 9% be enough then? It's what we've been getting thrown as scraps for years. | |||
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"If and I think its a big if the Scots vote yes then we should have a referendum on whether they should share our currency.. The Government have already said they can't, because money is a promissory note from the Bank of England. They have the Bank of Scotland. Oh, wait....
What difference would it make? There's already places in england that don't accept scottish pounds. "its not quite as simple as that its all to do with European membership as they would have to reapply with their own currency if not the bank of England would end up setting their interest rates etc and surely that goes against the independence argument. | |||
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"Why do you assume North Sea Oil is all we have? The idea that our economy is 'propped up' by the UK and entirely based on oil revenue is both a myth and quite insulting. It was not given to us by anything other than geographic situation, same as most naturally occuring 'assets' are for other countries, and it is exploited by many countries. The tax sums btw show that Scotland contributes substantially more per head of population in tax revenues than either England or Wales." i never mentioned oil  | |||
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"Why do you assume North Sea Oil is all we have? The idea that our economy is 'propped up' by the UK and entirely based on oil revenue is both a myth and quite insulting. It was not given to us by anything other than geographic situation, same as most naturally occuring 'assets' are for other countries, and it is exploited by many countries. The tax sums btw show that Scotland contributes substantially more per head of population in tax revenues than either England or Wales." Whiskey exports, fishing rights, tourism and haggis to name another few! | |||
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"Why do you assume North Sea Oil is all we have? The idea that our economy is 'propped up' by the UK and entirely based on oil revenue is both a myth and quite insulting. It was not given to us by anything other than geographic situation, same as most naturally occuring 'assets' are for other countries, and it is exploited by many countries. The tax sums btw show that Scotland contributes substantially more per head of population in tax revenues than either England or Wales. i never mentioned oil "You just happened to be the quote above, mate. Was more aimed at the OP and others who seem to think it's all we've got | |||
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"Why do you assume North Sea Oil is all we have? The idea that our economy is 'propped up' by the UK and entirely based on oil revenue is both a myth and quite insulting. It was not given to us by anything other than geographic situation, same as most naturally occuring 'assets' are for other countries, and it is exploited by many countries. The tax sums btw show that Scotland contributes substantially more per head of population in tax revenues than either England or Wales." I don't assume anything, I just wanted an answer to one specific question, and I now have that. Feel free, by all means, to argue the toss about the rest of it, I'll leave you to it. | |||
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"Why do you assume North Sea Oil is all we have? The idea that our economy is 'propped up' by the UK and entirely based on oil revenue is both a myth and quite insulting. It was not given to us by anything other than geographic situation, same as most naturally occuring 'assets' are for other countries, and it is exploited by many countries. The tax sums btw show that Scotland contributes substantially more per head of population in tax revenues than either England or Wales. Whiskey exports, fishing rights, tourism and haggis to name another few! "It's WHISKY here, we are neither Irish nor American!!!!!!! | |||
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"Further, everyone seems to equate Independence with handing the country to Mr Salmond and the SNP on a permanent basis, do you assume they are intending to set up a dictatorship and prevent free democratic elections?" i never mentioned dictatorship 
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"Why do you assume North Sea Oil is all we have? The idea that our economy is 'propped up' by the UK and entirely based on oil revenue is both a myth and quite insulting. It was not given to us by anything other than geographic situation, same as most naturally occuring 'assets' are for other countries, and it is exploited by many countries. The tax sums btw show that Scotland contributes substantially more per head of population in tax revenues than either England or Wales. i never mentioned oil
You just happened to be the quote above, mate. Was more aimed at the OP and others who seem to think it's all we've got"no worries | |||
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"Once we are not paying our share of 100 billion for Trident and 15 million for a Thatcher Library, i would think so! "bugger that means we have to bloody pay for it | |||
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"Dont worry about the punch up Its what happens...
Only difference is this time some of them think that not only can they come down south smash up Wembley and tear down the goalposts but they can get us to pay their coach fares too!
I think if they vote "Out" we should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and make them pay to come south!
"Good to see the nationalist, narrow views aren't only concentrated up here! It'll be a 'yes' or 'no' vote, not 'in' or 'out' and you're of course dredging up the Scotland victory over England in 1967? Good to see you living in the present. Next you'll be blaming us for the miners strike and the rise of hooliganism in England! | |||
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"Dont worry about the punch up Its what happens...
Only difference is this time some of them think that not only can they come down south smash up Wembley and tear down the goalposts but they can get us to pay their coach fares too!
I think if they vote "Out" we should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and make them pay to come south!
Good to see the nationalist, narrow views aren't only concentrated up here!
It'll be a 'yes' or 'no' vote, not 'in' or 'out' and you're of course dredging up the Scotland victory over England in 1967? Good to see you living in the present. Next you'll be blaming us for the miners strike and the rise of hooliganism in England!"well was it you lot | |||
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"How Much oil - is south of scotland !!?? (uk) Just a question .. if anyone can answer " 9% of the resources are south of the border. | |||
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"Further, everyone seems to equate Independence with handing the country to Mr Salmond and the SNP on a permanent basis, do you assume they are intending to set up a dictatorship and prevent free democratic elections? i never mentioned dictatorship
do you think that they can deliver a Scandinavian style of system with free child care from the age of 1 without raising taxes "Its not from the age of 1, its ages 3 and 4 with special exceptions made for vulnerable 2 year olds but I don't think we can at all, which is why I think Salmond is talking utter garbage! | |||
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"Dont worry about the punch up Its what happens...
Only difference is this time some of them think that not only can they come down south smash up Wembley and tear down the goalposts but they can get us to pay their coach fares too!
I think if they vote "Out" we should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and make them pay to come south!
Good to see the nationalist, narrow views aren't only concentrated up here!
It'll be a 'yes' or 'no' vote, not 'in' or 'out' and you're of course dredging up the Scotland victory over England in 1967? Good to see you living in the present. Next you'll be blaming us for the miners strike and the rise of hooliganism in England!
well was it you lot "Nowt to do with us fella, you guys managed that all by yourselves | |||
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"Dont worry about the punch up Its what happens...
Only difference is this time some of them think that not only can they come down south smash up Wembley and tear down the goalposts but they can get us to pay their coach fares too!
I think if they vote "Out" we should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and make them pay to come south!
Good to see the nationalist, narrow views aren't only concentrated up here!
It'll be a 'yes' or 'no' vote, not 'in' or 'out' and you're of course dredging up the Scotland victory over England in 1967? Good to see you living in the present. Next you'll be blaming us for the miners strike and the rise of hooliganism in England!
well was it you lot "Hey, we had to try n returf Hampden somehow didn't we! | |||
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"Thicko question here - if Scotland leave and some years down the road it does not work out - would they be allowed back into the Uk ? " That would be a matter for the remaining UK countries to decide if a request was made i should imagine | |||
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"serious question - what has kept britain alive ?? What do we really Export these days.. even more so now than the 80`s - Not everything - but most is made outside the uk.. sad
we recently bought a Stuffed Teddy-bear from Disney-Land - it was made in Vietnam !!!!! "What part of the uk is disney-land in then? | |||
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"Further, everyone seems to equate Independence with handing the country to Mr Salmond and the SNP on a permanent basis, do you assume they are intending to set up a dictatorship and prevent free democratic elections? i never mentioned dictatorship
do you think that they can deliver a Scandinavian style of system with free child care from the age of 1 without raising taxes
Its not from the age of 1, its ages 3 and 4 with special exceptions made for vulnerable 2 year olds but I don't think we can at all, which is why I think Salmond is talking utter garbage!"i don't think his maths stack up to be honest. everyone i do business with in Scotland is against it. | |||
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"Thicko question here - if Scotland leave and some years down the road it does not work out - would they be allowed back into the Uk ? That would be a matter for the remaining UK countries to decide if a request was made i should imagine" I'm totally ignorant to the finer arguments but I'd be sad if Scotland left | |||
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"Once we are not paying our share of 100 billion for Trident and 15 million for a Thatcher Library, i would think so! "if they really wanted to do their childcare thing.. they could already do it (it actually is already part of the devolved powers act to the scottish parliament) | |||
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"Dont worry about the punch up Its what happens...
Only difference is this time some of them think that not only can they come down south smash up Wembley and tear down the goalposts but they can get us to pay their coach fares too!
I think if they vote "Out" we should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and make them pay to come south!
Good to see the nationalist, narrow views aren't only concentrated up here!
It'll be a 'yes' or 'no' vote, not 'in' or 'out' and you're of course dredging up the Scotland victory over England in 1967? Good to see you living in the present. Next you'll be blaming us for the miners strike and the rise of hooliganism in England!
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"Once we are not paying our share of 100 billion for Trident and 15 million for a Thatcher Library, i would think so!
if they really wanted to do their childcare thing.. they could already do it (it actually is already part of the devolved powers act to the scottish parliament)"that was put to him on channel 4 news and said he didn't want George osbourne to benefit from it. i would try it now why i had the safety net in place i would dry run all my points while they can. | |||
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"Fingers crossed it will NOT happen! I am saddened that they have lowered to age to 16...shows how desperate they are in my eyes! Just my opinion of course! "Why is it desperate to let younger people decide their future? Those 16yos have a right to a say as well as you or me! | |||
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"serious question - what has kept britain alive ?? What do we really Export these days.. even more so now than the 80`s - Not everything - but most is made outside the uk.. sad
we recently bought a Stuffed Teddy-bear from Disney-Land - it was made in Vietnam !!!!!
What part of the uk is disney-land in then? "Thats a shite thing to say.. How many Americans would be happy in this present day if all the stuffed toys on sale at Disney were made in iraq ?? | |||
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"Fingers crossed it will NOT happen! I am saddened that they have lowered to age to 16...shows how desperate they are in my eyes! Just my opinion of course! "It is your opinion and valid because of it. Mine is that at 16 everyone is now legally considered an adult so they should be allowed to vote in ALL elections in ALL parts of the UK | |||
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"Fingers crossed it will NOT happen! I am saddened that they have lowered to age to 16...shows how desperate they are in my eyes! Just my opinion of course!
Why is it desperate to let younger people decide their future? Those 16yos have a right to a say as well as you or me!"Because the legal age has always been 18! Why lower it now? Because they want the bloody votes, that's why! | |||
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"serious question - what has kept britain alive ?? What do we really Export these days.. even more so now than the 80`s - Not everything - but most is made outside the uk.. sad
we recently bought a Stuffed Teddy-bear from Disney-Land - it was made in Vietnam !!!!!
What part of the uk is disney-land in then?
Thats a shite thing to say.. How many Americans would be happy in this present day if all the stuffed toys on sale at Disney were made in iraq ??"I'm just curious is all! | |||
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"I would also like to take this opportunity to dissasociate myself from the, to me, rather unsavoury 'English-haters' amongst those who favour Scottish Independence. My grandfather was English (tho a card carrying member of the SNP), my lovely Ruby is English, many of my good friends are English, much of my family is English, I love your beer, cheese, eccentricities.....i could go on. This is about being pro-Scottish, self-determination, what i genuinely believe is right and best not about any dislike for another Nation. Yes I tease all the people above about sport, make jokes about it etc but I also take them back about us Scots and enjoy that sort of humour, for humour and banter is what it is to me. We may fuck it up and blow it all on a piss up, but I have never felt 'British' and I do not suppose I ever will, though I currently am and may well remain so! You will miss the midgies btw lol" i don't mind the midgies i love the country and the people and self determination should be a given however i do not trust Salmond or his maths | |||
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"Fingers crossed it will NOT happen! I am saddened that they have lowered to age to 16...shows how desperate they are in my eyes! Just my opinion of course!
Why is it desperate to let younger people decide their future? Those 16yos have a right to a say as well as you or me!
Because the legal age has always been 18! Why lower it now? Because they want the bloody votes, that's why! "But, they have as much right to vote for their future independence as you or i. After all, they will be the nes who will be growing up in an independent Scotland if it is a yes. | |||
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"If and I think its a big if the Scots vote yes then we should have a referendum on whether they should share our currency.. The Government have already said they can't, because money is a promissory note from the Bank of England. They have the Bank of Scotland. Oh, wait....
What difference would it make? There's already places in england that don't accept scottish pounds. "I am against the latter point, its UK currency and should be accepted as such.. the cost of setting up a post yes vote currency if the Westminster lot decide to not allow Scotland to keep the pound would be expensive to set up and to administer.. | |||
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"Disney is American anyway surely?" Lol. Yep. Don't know what Mickey and Co has to do with this thread really. | |||
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"Fingers crossed it will NOT happen! I am saddened that they have lowered to age to 16...shows how desperate they are in my eyes! Just my opinion of course!
Why is it desperate to let younger people decide their future? Those 16yos have a right to a say as well as you or me!
Because the legal age has always been 18! Why lower it now? Because they want the bloody votes, that's why!
But, they have as much right to vote for their future independence as you or i. After all, they will be the nes who will be growing up in an independent Scotland if it is a yes."But it does also show the desperation! As why were they not allowed to vote for their future government earlier? Hmmmm | |||
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"Fingers crossed it will NOT happen! I am saddened that they have lowered to age to 16...shows how desperate they are in my eyes! Just my opinion of course!
Why is it desperate to let younger people decide their future? Those 16yos have a right to a say as well as you or me!
Because the legal age has always been 18! Why lower it now? Because they want the bloody votes, that's why!
But, they have as much right to vote for their future independence as you or i. After all, they will be the nes who will be growing up in an independent Scotland if it is a yes.
But it does also show the desperation! As why were they not allowed to vote for their future government earlier? Hmmmm"Because, there's a difference in Scots voting for a government, which is usually Snp or Labour in Scotland, (and ending up with whoever ends up in westminster anyway) to voting for the future of a country!! | |||
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"I would also like to take this opportunity to dissasociate myself from the, to me, rather unsavoury 'English-haters' amongst those who favour Scottish Independence. My grandfather was English (tho a card carrying member of the SNP), my lovely Ruby is English, many of my good friends are English, much of my family is English, I love your beer, cheese, eccentricities.....i could go on. This is about being pro-Scottish, self-determination, what i genuinely believe is right and best not about any dislike for another Nation. Yes I tease all the people above about sport, make jokes about it etc but I also take them back about us Scots and enjoy that sort of humour, for humour and banter is what it is to me. We may fuck it up and blow it all on a piss up, but I have never felt 'British' and I do not suppose I ever will, though I currently am and may well remain so! You will miss the midgies btw lol i don't mind the midgies i love the country and the people and self determination should be a given however i do not trust Salmond or his maths "I don't 'trust' any politician for that matter, same applies to the maths of the Unionist politicians for me, especially the Tories (getting down off that soapbox now). When the SNP came to power, as a minority Scottish Government, they by and large did what they had said they would in their manifesto, where they could given that they were governing as a minority so somethings which needed parliamentary approval did not get passed. There was no bleating about 'oh, we thought we could but the last lot buggered it all up so we can't do what we said' like the Condems have done or Labour did when taking over from the Conservatives in 1997. This to me speaks volumes in terms of 'honesty' of politicians, as far as that can ever be used as a phrase! BTW I am not a member of or even a big fan of the SNP and would not necessarily vote for them in an independent Scotland, I am a believer in Scottish Independence which is whyt I have voted for them in the past, as the only Scottish mainstream party prepared to hold a referendum. If the result is 'No' then Scotland has spoken democratically and that will be that! | |||
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"Fingers crossed it will NOT happen! I am saddened that they have lowered to age to 16...shows how desperate they are in my eyes! Just my opinion of course!
Why is it desperate to let younger people decide their future? Those 16yos have a right to a say as well as you or me!
Because the legal age has always been 18! Why lower it now? Because they want the bloody votes, that's why!
But, they have as much right to vote for their future independence as you or i. After all, they will be the nes who will be growing up in an independent Scotland if it is a yes.
But it does also show the desperation! As why were they not allowed to vote for their future government earlier? Hmmmm
Because, there's a difference in Scots voting for a government, which is usually Snp or Labour in Scotland, (and ending up with whoever ends up in westminster anyway) to voting for the future of a country!!"What parties will Scotland get/end up with ?? | |||
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"Fingers crossed it will NOT happen! I am saddened that they have lowered to age to 16...shows how desperate they are in my eyes! Just my opinion of course!
Why is it desperate to let younger people decide their future? Those 16yos have a right to a say as well as you or me!
Because the legal age has always been 18! Why lower it now? Because they want the bloody votes, that's why!
But, they have as much right to vote for their future independence as you or i. After all, they will be the nes who will be growing up in an independent Scotland if it is a yes.
But it does also show the desperation! As why were they not allowed to vote for their future government earlier? Hmmmm
Because, there's a difference in Scots voting for a government, which is usually Snp or Labour in Scotland, (and ending up with whoever ends up in westminster anyway) to voting for the future of a country!!
What parties will Scotland get/end up with ?? "Whoever we decide to vote for, obviously! | |||
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"In my eyes, if the scots want out, don't expect the uk to take them back when shit hits the dan and they fuck it all up! We all need each other, now is not the time to say 'we can go it alone'.....but I hope the Scottish know what the right thing to do is, and that's to stick with the uk.." If, as I hope, we vote yes I certainly would not expect the UK to 'take us back' as you say, we will have made our bed and the remainder of the UK would be perfectly entitled to tell us to getlost if we were to ask this in my opinion | |||
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"I would also like to take this opportunity to dissasociate myself from the, to me, rather unsavoury 'English-haters' amongst those who favour Scottish Independence. My grandfather was English (tho a card carrying member of the SNP), my lovely Ruby is English, many of my good friends are English, much of my family is English, I love your beer, cheese, eccentricities.....i could go on. This is about being pro-Scottish, self-determination, what i genuinely believe is right and best not about any dislike for another Nation. Yes I tease all the people above about sport, make jokes about it etc but I also take them back about us Scots and enjoy that sort of humour, for humour and banter is what it is to me. We may fuck it up and blow it all on a piss up, but I have never felt 'British' and I do not suppose I ever will, though I currently am and may well remain so! You will miss the midgies btw lol i don't mind the midgies i love the country and the people and self determination should be a given however i do not trust Salmond or his maths
I don't 'trust' any politician for that matter, same applies to the maths of the Unionist politicians for me, especially the Tories (getting down off that soapbox now).
When the SNP came to power, as a minority Scottish Government, they by and large did what they had said they would in their manifesto, where they could given that they were governing as a minority so somethings which needed parliamentary approval did not get passed. There was no bleating about 'oh, we thought we could but the last lot buggered it all up so we can't do what we said' like the Condems have done or Labour did when taking over from the Conservatives in 1997. This to me speaks volumes in terms of 'honesty' of politicians, as far as that can ever be used as a phrase!
BTW I am not a member of or even a big fan of the SNP and would not necessarily vote for them in an independent Scotland, I am a believer in Scottish Independence which is whyt I have voted for them in the past, as the only Scottish mainstream party prepared to hold a referendum. If the result is 'No' then Scotland has spoken democratically and that will be that!"i agree about the politicians 100% and the democracy part as well. i must say i hope its a no vote | |||
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"Fingers crossed it will NOT happen! I am saddened that they have lowered to age to 16...shows how desperate they are in my eyes! Just my opinion of course!
It is your opinion and valid because of it. Mine is that at 16 everyone is now legally considered an adult so they should be allowed to vote in ALL elections in ALL parts of the UK"But Scots who live in England are not allowed to vote seems fair. | |||
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"In my eyes, if the scots want out, don't expect the uk to take them back when shit hits the dan and they fuck it all up! We all need each other, now is not the time to say 'we can go it alone'.....but I hope the Scottish know what the right thing to do is, and that's to stick with the uk.. If, as I hope, we vote yes I certainly would not expect the UK to 'take us back' as you say, we will have made our bed and the remainder of the UK would be perfectly entitled to tell us to getlost if we were to ask this in my opinion" I would hope Scotland wouldn't even dare to ask us to open the doors to them again! | |||
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"Fingers crossed it will NOT happen! I am saddened that they have lowered to age to 16...shows how desperate they are in my eyes! Just my opinion of course!
Why is it desperate to let younger people decide their future? Those 16yos have a right to a say as well as you or me!
Because the legal age has always been 18! Why lower it now? Because they want the bloody votes, that's why!
But, they have as much right to vote for their future independence as you or i. After all, they will be the nes who will be growing up in an independent Scotland if it is a yes.
But it does also show the desperation! As why were they not allowed to vote for their future government earlier? Hmmmm
Because, there's a difference in Scots voting for a government, which is usually Snp or Labour in Scotland, (and ending up with whoever ends up in westminster anyway) to voting for the future of a country!!
What parties will Scotland get/end up with ?? "All the UK mainstream Parties already have a 'Scottish' Branch, Scottish Conservatives, Scottish Labour, Scottish Lib Dems (what there is of them as we are not gonna forgive them quickly for putting the Tories back in as the UK govt) and I would imagine they will continue to function with appropriate organisational changes should Scotland become independent. We also have other fringe scottish parties who i assume would continue. As for who would govern, there would continue to be Democratic elections to decide that of course, Until the SNP became the biggest party in the Scottish Parliament elections in 2007 Scottish Labour were the biggest party and formed a majority administration with the Scottish Lib Dems for example. | |||
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"In my eyes, if the scots want out, don't expect the uk to take them back when shit hits the dan and they fuck it all up! We all need each other, now is not the time to say 'we can go it alone'.....but I hope the Scottish know what the right thing to do is, and that's to stick with the uk.. If, as I hope, we vote yes I certainly would not expect the UK to 'take us back' as you say, we will have made our bed and the remainder of the UK would be perfectly entitled to tell us to getlost if we were to ask this in my opinion I would hope Scotland wouldn't even dare to ask us to open the doors to them again! " You are more isolationist than you would have us believe then! | |||
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Seeing as there hasn't been a ballot yet for leadership. Let us just get this little vote out of the way first! Then the interested parties could put their names forward for consideration! "So once "Independence" - has been Declared !!! we have to vote on Who is capable of Implementing it Correctly !!  | |||
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It is your opinion and valid because of it. Mine is that at 16 everyone is now legally considered an adult so they should be allowed to vote in ALL elections in ALL parts of the UK
But Scots who live in England are not allowed to vote seems fair."Again, only my opinion, but it has always seemed fairer tome that those that live in a country should be allowed to vote in that country. It seems bizarre to me that UK ex-pats who have been abroad for many years can still vote in UK elections but many who live here permanently cannot because of their nationality. | |||
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Seeing as there hasn't been a ballot yet for leadership. Let us just get this little vote out of the way first! Then the interested parties could put their names forward for consideration!
So once "Independence" - has been Declared !!! we have to vote on Who is capable of Implementing it Correctly !!
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Seeing as there hasn't been a ballot yet for leadership. Let us just get this little vote out of the way first! Then the interested parties could put their names forward for consideration!
So once "Independence" - has been Declared !!! we have to vote on Who is capable of Implementing it Correctly !!
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"In my eyes, if the scots want out, don't expect the uk to take them back when shit hits the dan and they fuck it all up! We all need each other, now is not the time to say 'we can go it alone'.....but I hope the Scottish know what the right thing to do is, and that's to stick with the uk.. If, as I hope, we vote yes I certainly would not expect the UK to 'take us back' as you say, we will have made our bed and the remainder of the UK would be perfectly entitled to tell us to getlost if we were to ask this in my opinion I would hope Scotland wouldn't even dare to ask us to open the doors to them again! You are more isolationist than you would have us believe then!" All I'm saying is U want so called independence from the rest of the uk then have it, but ur the ones that I would see as turning ur backs on the uk....were not kicking u out, nor encouraging you to leave. if u think u can go it alone fine, but the Scottish people best be sure that's the correct decision...there should be no were out, no we want back in, etc In my eyes all ties should be cut. | |||
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"In my eyes, if the scots want out, don't expect the uk to take them back when shit hits the dan and they fuck it all up! We all need each other, now is not the time to say 'we can go it alone'.....but I hope the Scottish know what the right thing to do is, and that's to stick with the uk.. If, as I hope, we vote yes I certainly would not expect the UK to 'take us back' as you say, we will have made our bed and the remainder of the UK would be perfectly entitled to tell us to getlost if we were to ask this in my opinion I would hope Scotland wouldn't even dare to ask us to open the doors to them again! You are more isolationist than you would have us believe then! All I'm saying is U want so called independence from the rest of the uk then have it, but ur the ones that I would see as turning ur backs on the uk....were not kicking u out, nor encouraging you to leave. if u think u can go it alone fine, but the Scottish people best be sure that's the correct decision...there should be no were out, no we want back in, etc In my eyes all ties should be cut. " Fair enough | |||
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So once "Independence" - has been Declared !!! we have to vote on Who is capable of Implementing it Correctly !!
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Seeing as there hasn't been a ballot yet for leadership. Let us just get this little vote out of the way first! Then the interested parties could put their names forward for consideration!
So once "Independence" - has been Declared !!! we have to vote on Who is capable of Implementing it Correctly !!
And, i'm curious as to where your 'we' part comes in?"The "We" being Scottish by birth | |||
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Seeing as there hasn't been a ballot yet for leadership. Let us just get this little vote out of the way first! Then the interested parties could put their names forward for consideration!
So once "Independence" - has been Declared !!! we have to vote on Who is capable of Implementing it Correctly !!
And, i'm curious as to where your 'we' part comes in?
The "We" being Scottish by birth "Well, i hope you have a main residence up here then! Or no 'we' about it! | |||
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Seeing as there hasn't been a ballot yet for leadership. Let us just get this little vote out of the way first! Then the interested parties could put their names forward for consideration!
So once "Independence" - has been Declared !!! we have to vote on Who is capable of Implementing it Correctly !!
And, i'm curious as to where your 'we' part comes in?
The "We" being Scottish by birth
Well, i hope you have a main residence up here then! Or no 'we' about it!"so its Fine if your main residence is Scotland - and if polish or lith or romanian and refugees etc etc / they can get to Vote on the future of the UK and Scotland !!! but because we live in england - zip !! since Scotland is influxed with european folks - do they really have a say in scotlands Future ?? answer me that one before i agree if the vote should go ahead !!!  | |||
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"Whoever we decide to vote for, obviously!
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Seeing as there hasn't been a ballot yet for leadership. Let us just get this little vote out of the way first! Then the interested parties could put their names forward for consideration!
So once "Independence" - has been Declared !!! we have to vote on Who is capable of Implementing it Correctly !!
And, i'm curious as to where your 'we' part comes in?
The "We" being Scottish by birth
Well, i hope you have a main residence up here then! Or no 'we' about it!
so its Fine if your main residence is Scotland - and if polish or lith or romanian and refugees etc etc / they can get to Vote on the future of the UK and Scotland !!!
but because we live in england - zip !!
since Scotland is influxed with european folks - do they really have a say in scotlands Future ??
answer me that one before i agree if the vote should go ahead !!!
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"Sadly I don't think they could afford to represent themselves with embassies in every country or form their own armed forces etc. On the upside- if they do get it we can stop putting our clocks backwards because some distant scots goat shagger only get 20 mins of daylight in winter! Lol. You should maybe try and google awsubject before posting it mate! Dst was introduced during ww1 to save on resources! Besides, it's better shagging the goat in the dark! wtf kinda answer was that.. and it was enlgish and welsh farmers that wanted the clocks putting back.. check facts "Erm, did i say it was Scottish farmers? No. I said it was introduced during the first world war! Try reading my post again! | |||
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.. its not right #"I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair. | |||
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"Erm, did i say it was Scottish farmers? No. I said it was introduced during the first world war! Try reading my post again! "Your Right - but scottish farmers voted No.. quite a few years after the war !!! but they kept the GMT time zone - did they not ?? | |||
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair."The main point is RESIDENCE!! Any British, Irish, member of the Common Wealth or member of the EU in entitled to vote in the Referendum as long as the are a RESIDENT of Scotland. Which to me, is entirely fair. | |||
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Your Right - but scottish farmers voted No.. quite a few years after the war !!! but they kept the GMT time zone - did they not ?? "We have pretty much always had the GMT time zone, his post was about the introduction of BST i think | |||
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"Erm, did i say it was Scottish farmers? No. I said it was introduced during the first world war! Try reading my post again!
Your Right - but scottish farmers voted No.. quite a few years after the war !!! but they kept the GMT time zone - did they not ?? "Ro, what your saying is, the Scots were shafted yet again! | |||
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Your Right - but scottish farmers voted No.. quite a few years after the war !!! but they kept the GMT time zone - did they not ??
We have pretty much always had the GMT time zone, his post was about the introduction of BST i think"Thank you. | |||
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair.
The main point is RESIDENCE!! Any British, Irish, member of the Common Wealth or member of the EU in entitled to vote in the Referendum as long as the are a RESIDENT of Scotland. Which to me, is entirely fair. "I completely agree, i was referring to the lady who posted she feels her ex-pat parents should be allowed to vote despite being resident abroad | |||
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair."While they don't live here permanently they put plenty into their country through taxes and will get their pensions (well if they even get them) and most likely retire here.. Surely they should be given a right to vote in their future? Hey ho, I'm not here to argue, I suck at debates, I just don't think it's right. | |||
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair.
While they don't live here permanently they put plenty into their country through taxes and will get their pensions (well if they even get them) and most likely retire here.. Surely they should be given a right to vote in their future? Hey ho, I'm not here to argue, I suck at debates, I just don't think it's right. "Why aren't you half cut by now anyway Boaby? | |||
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair.
While they don't live here permanently they put plenty into their country through taxes and will get their pensions (well if they even get them) and most likely retire here.. Surely they should be given a right to vote in their future? Hey ho, I'm not here to argue, I suck at debates, I just don't think it's right.
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"So its Fine if your main residence is Scotland - and if polish or lith or romanian and refugees etc etc / they can get to Vote on the future of the UK and Scotland !!! but because we live in england - zip ! This is what annoys me most about it, my parents live abroad but have two houses in Scotland, born here, pay council tax etc etc but they don't get to vote. Yet they allow 16 year olds and foreigners who are only here for the benefits to vote... Makes my blood boil honestly.
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair.
While they don't live here permanently they put plenty into their country through taxes and will get their pensions (well if they even get them) and most likely retire here.. Surely they should be given a right to vote in their future? Hey ho, I'm not here to argue, I suck at debates, I just don't think it's right.
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair.
While they don't live here permanently they put plenty into their country through taxes and will get their pensions (well if they even get them) and most likely retire here.. Surely they should be given a right to vote in their future? Hey ho, I'm not here to argue, I suck at debates, I just don't think it's right. "Lol, admittedly a hard one to call if they intend coming back here, but it would be difficult to extend a vote to all 'potential future residents' so to speak as where do you draw the line? Also, if they reside abroad so to speak, why do they pay taxes here? | |||
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair.
While they don't live here permanently they put plenty into their country through taxes and will get their pensions (well if they even get them) and most likely retire here.. Surely they should be given a right to vote in their future? Hey ho, I'm not here to argue, I suck at debates, I just don't think it's right.
Lol, admittedly a hard one to call if they intend coming back here, but it would be difficult to extend a vote to all 'potential future residents' so to speak as where do you draw the line? Also, if they reside abroad so to speak, why do they pay taxes here?"Who knows, ask the government... | |||
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair.
While they don't live here permanently they put plenty into their country through taxes and will get their pensions (well if they even get them) and most likely retire here.. Surely they should be given a right to vote in their future? Hey ho, I'm not here to argue, I suck at debates, I just don't think it's right.
Lol, admittedly a hard one to call if they intend coming back here, but it would be difficult to extend a vote to all 'potential future residents' so to speak as where do you draw the line? Also, if they reside abroad so to speak, why do they pay taxes here?"Lousy accountants? | |||
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair.
While they don't live here permanently they put plenty into their country through taxes and will get their pensions (well if they even get them) and most likely retire here.. Surely they should be given a right to vote in their future? Hey ho, I'm not here to argue, I suck at debates, I just don't think it's right.
Lol, admittedly a hard one to call if they intend coming back here, but it would be difficult to extend a vote to all 'potential future residents' so to speak as where do you draw the line? Also, if they reside abroad so to speak, why do they pay taxes here?
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair.
While they don't live here permanently they put plenty into their country through taxes and will get their pensions (well if they even get them) and most likely retire here.. Surely they should be given a right to vote in their future? Hey ho, I'm not here to argue, I suck at debates, I just don't think it's right.
Lol, admittedly a hard one to call if they intend coming back here, but it would be difficult to extend a vote to all 'potential future residents' so to speak as where do you draw the line? Also, if they reside abroad so to speak, why do they pay taxes here?
Who knows, ask the government...
Good point! UK or Scottish though? lol "Don't even get me started.. but here's some info...
If you are living abroad, but intend to return to your UK address when your employment/family circumstances change, it is still considered that your sole or main residence is your UK address. Therefore, full Council Tax is charged.
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"So its Fine if your main residence is Scotland - and if polish or lith or romanian and refugees etc etc / they can get to Vote on the future of the UK and Scotland !!! but because we live in england - zip ! This is what annoys me most about it, my parents live abroad but have two houses in Scotland, born here, pay council tax etc etc but they don't get to vote. Yet they allow 16 year olds and foreigners who are only here for the benefits to vote... Makes my blood boil honestly.
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I have a house in France and pay council tax etc but I choose to live in Scotland, it therefore seems entirely fair to me that I can vote here but not there. I reside here, not there. By your argument property ownership in a country would seem to equal right to vote rather than residence which, in my opinion, would be unfair.
While they don't live here permanently they put plenty into their country through taxes and will get their pensions (well if they even get them) and most likely retire here.. Surely they should be given a right to vote in their future? Hey ho, I'm not here to argue, I suck at debates, I just don't think it's right.
Lol, admittedly a hard one to call if they intend coming back here, but it would be difficult to extend a vote to all 'potential future residents' so to speak as where do you draw the line? Also, if they reside abroad so to speak, why do they pay taxes here?
Who knows, ask the government...
Good point! UK or Scottish though? lol
Don't even get me started.. but here's some info...
If you are living abroad, but intend to return to your UK address when your employment/family circumstances change, it is still considered that your sole or main residence is your UK address. Therefore, full Council Tax is charged.
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haha no. It was all done with puppets
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haha no. It was all done with puppets
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Oh my, did I say something right for once? Can I get a gold star please, or a facial, that'd do nicely
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haha no. It was all done with puppets
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"As the lounge is English will admin be restricting Scottish members access after independence? It would make seance after all independence means being independent." Lol. We already have a Scottish room. But i prefer the lounge for it's ambience and lighting! Although, what would happen in the search engine? Seeing as we have UK and USA. Would it then be UK, Scotland and USA? | |||
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You have your own forum this one is destined to be populated by Britain's besides you lot would be glutting on all the deep fried confectionery that Mr A Slyman would be giving you on the state. "I'd rather have a deep fried mars bar than a feckin jellied eel any day of the week! Slimy, pungent, slippery and mud crawlers. And the eels are shit as well. | |||
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You have your own forum this one is destined to be populated by Britain's besides you lot would be glutting on all the deep fried confectionery that Mr A Slyman would be giving you on the state.
I'd rather have a deep fried mars bar than a feckin jellied eel any day of the week! Slimy, pungent, slippery and mud crawlers. And the eels are shit as well."I wouldn't touch either personally but its a nice attempt to try and insult someone slyly lol. Geography isn't your strong point by the way. | |||
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You have your own forum this one is destined to be populated by Britain's besides you lot would be glutting on all the deep fried confectionery that Mr A Slyman would be giving you on the state.
I'd rather have a deep fried mars bar than a feckin jellied eel any day of the week! Slimy, pungent, slippery and mud crawlers. And the eels are shit as well.
I wouldn't touch either personally but its a nice attempt to try and insult someone slyly lol. Geography isn't your strong point by the way. "And saying we all eat deep fried confectionary up here ISN'T insulting? Lol. And when it comes to geography, try asking admin if the lounge is for Englisg patrons only before you try sepragation! | |||
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You have your own forum this one is destined to be populated by Britain's besides you lot would be glutting on all the deep fried confectionery that Mr A Slyman would be giving you on the state.
I'd rather have a deep fried mars bar than a feckin jellied eel any day of the week! Slimy, pungent, slippery and mud crawlers. And the eels are shit as well.
I wouldn't touch either personally but its a nice attempt to try and insult someone slyly lol. Geography isn't your strong point by the way.
And saying we all eat deep fried confectionary up here ISN'T insulting? Lol. And when it comes to geography, try asking admin if the lounge is for Englisg patrons only before you try sepragation! "So you are admitting your comments were supposed to be insulting? My comment was one based on a remark made by Alex Salmon last year when he joked there would be free deep fried confectionery for all (as a joke. I was REPEATING what he said unlike yourself who was by your own admission trying to insult. | |||
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Its there in black and white if Scotland did get independence Scottish IP's would be only allowed to post in the Scottish forum and swingers chat the other forums would be for British and commonwealth passport holders only as Scotland would be leaving the commonwealth it would sadly exclude you. But you don't need us surely if you want independence? "Feck me! I must have missed the USA joining the commonwealth! When did that happen? Seeing as they are allowed to post in the lounge! | |||
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Its there in black and white if Scotland did get independence Scottish IP's would be only allowed to post in the Scottish forum and swingers chat the other forums would be for British and commonwealth passport holders only as Scotland would be leaving the commonwealth it would sadly exclude you. But you don't need us surely if you want independence? "Only in black and white cos you wrote it! | |||
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Well its academic really as the majority north of the brick S/h won't vote for independence but I see no reason for not having your own Scottish lounge if it remotely happened. After all we wouldn't really want you lot around making a bad smell in the corner.
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No need to be abusive if you can't handle the honest fact we will be shunning you down here. Ok independence won't happen its a great disney story but if it did happen you don't think the rest of us down here would be smiling at you do you? "Have to say after reading your posts i find them rather insulting | |||
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Well its academic really as the majority north of the brick S/h won't vote for independence but I see no reason for not having your own Scottish lounge if it remotely happened. After all we wouldn't really want you lot around making a bad smell in the corner.
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No need to be abusive if you can't handle the honest fact we will be shunning you down here. Ok independence won't happen its a great disney story but if it did happen you don't think the rest of us down here would be smiling at you do you?
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Feck me! I must have missed the USA joining the commonwealth! When did that happen? Seeing as they are allowed to post in the lounge!"Young Montague clearly considers himself decider of the administrative affairs of this open to all international site as well as who to admit to the commonwealth. Given the USA's stance I hope this does not cause an international incident so early in his tenure! | |||
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Its there in black and white if Scotland did get independence Scottish IP's would be only allowed to post in the Scottish forum and swingers chat the other forums would be for British and commonwealth passport holders only as Scotland would be leaving the commonwealth it would sadly exclude you. But you don't need us surely if you want independence?
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Its there in black and white if Scotland did get independence Scottish IP's would be only allowed to post in the Scottish forum and swingers chat the other forums would be for British and commonwealth passport holders only as Scotland would be leaving the commonwealth it would sadly exclude you. But you don't need us surely if you want independence?
Feck me! I must have missed the USA joining the commonwealth! When did that happen? Seeing as they are allowed to post in the lounge!
Young Montague clearly considers himself decider of the administrative affairs of this open to all international site as well as who to admit to the commonwealth. Given the USA's stance I hope this does not cause an international incident so early in his tenure!"So they haven't joined then? Phew! Was thinking that would be us definately fucked in the games next year! | |||
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Feck me! I must have missed the USA joining the commonwealth! When did that happen? Seeing as they are allowed to post in the lounge!
And why not they like the Royals they are welcome."Because sherlock, it doesn't matter how much they like the royals. They have to be ruled by the bitch to be eligible! | |||
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Its there in black and white if Scotland did get independence Scottish IP's would be only allowed to post in the Scottish forum and swingers chat the other forums would be for British and commonwealth passport holders only as Scotland would be leaving the commonwealth it would sadly exclude you. But you don't need us surely if you want independence?
Feck me! I must have missed the USA joining the commonwealth! When did that happen? Seeing as they are allowed to post in the lounge!
And why not they like the Royals they are welcome.
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Its there in black and white if Scotland did get independence Scottish IP's would be only allowed to post in the Scottish forum and swingers chat the other forums would be for British and commonwealth passport holders only as Scotland would be leaving the commonwealth it would sadly exclude you. But you don't need us surely if you want independence?
Feck me! I must have missed the USA joining the commonwealth! When did that happen? Seeing as they are allowed to post in the lounge!
And why not they like the Royals they are welcome.
Because sherlock, it doesn't matter how much they like the royals. They have to be ruled by the bitch to be eligible!"Absolutely wrong! They like the royals so they are invited to the party its our club if we want to let them in we can. Its ok your names not on the list your not coming in. | |||
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