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"Unions are only as strong as their members,if the members choose to fold and roll over the unions are powerless. However if they have the bottle to stand up for themselves the unions can then back them up. Unison and Usdaw (the shop workers union)are what is known as "sweetheart unions" by the GMB,TGW(Unite) etc. Meaning that they're in bed with the management and don't represent the interests of the work force. One of the biggest problems unions face is when members fail to report a grievance early enough. By this lack of commitment they put the unions in a position were they are too late to support them. Then the apathetic members moan about unions not helping them forever after. I speak as a senior shop steward and H.S +W rep of 20 years standing. T XXX " Couldn't agree with you more! I've had members call me the day before a disciplinary hearing asking me to represent them and are annoyed I can't get to the other end of the country immediately! When I've phoned management for a postponement they've said no as it had been delayed several times before! Last week we had a two day strike: on the picket line one member said she supported the strike her husband was out at another site but she was going into work as they needed the money!! | |||
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"Unions are only as strong as their members,if the members choose to fold and roll over the unions are powerless. However if they have the bottle to stand up for themselves the unions can then back them up. Unison and Usdaw (the shop workers union)are what is known as "sweetheart unions" by the GMB,TGW(Unite) etc. Meaning that they're in bed with the management and don't represent the interests of the work force. One of the biggest problems unions face is when members fail to report a grievance early enough. By this lack of commitment they put the unions in a position were they are too late to support them. Then the apathetic members moan about unions not helping them forever after. I speak as a senior shop steward and H.S +W rep of 20 years standing. T XXX Couldn't agree with you more! I've had members call me the day before a disciplinary hearing asking me to represent them and are annoyed I can't get to the other end of the country immediately! When I've phoned management for a postponement they've said no as it had been delayed several times before! Last week we had a two day strike: on the picket line one member said she supported the strike her husband was out at another site but she was going into work as they needed the money!! " Totally agree , the apathy shown by some if not 80% of members is bad but mine is not but makes no difference . They still dont give a damn | |||
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"Unions are only as strong as their members,if the members choose to fold and roll over the unions are powerless. However if they have the bottle to stand up for themselves the unions can then back them up. Unison and Usdaw (the shop workers union)are what is known as "sweetheart unions" by the GMB,TGW(Unite) etc. Meaning that they're in bed with the management and don't represent the interests of the work force. One of the biggest problems unions face is when members fail to report a grievance early enough. By this lack of commitment they put the unions in a position were they are too late to support them. Then the apathetic members moan about unions not helping them forever after. I speak as a senior shop steward and H.S +W rep of 20 years standing. T XXX its funny how this post started as a union bashing post,and now a big u-turn.i am in unite and have a lot of respect for union officials,but in particular,for lay reps who give up their own time for free,for very little thanks.and for people who moan about their union...YOU...are the union.YOU make your own decisions within your rule book and your officials are obliged to back you."Unions are only as strong as their members" " | |||
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"I have talked to my union thru out my problems and as yet they have failed me and many like me. the apathy lies with them and not with the members . Money for nowt in my eyes " Which only proves what I said about Unison. However,you can't tar all unions with the same brush. XXX | |||
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"Im not in one at all yippeee " Thats whats amusing about many people who contact me for help and advice. They're not in the union but, when the shit hits the fan,expect the same help and advice that my members pay for. Whats more,they also want/expect the same benefits that union members fight for and win on their behalf. Never have I had a non member say to me "I don't want that pay rise/better conditions because I'm not in the union". XXX | |||
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"Im not in one at all yippeee Thats whats amusing about many people who contact me for help and advice. They're not in the union but, when the shit hits the fan,expect the same help and advice that my members pay for. Whats more,they also want/expect the same benefits that union members fight for and win on their behalf. Never have I had a non member say to me "I don't want that pay rise/better conditions because I'm not in the union". excellent point.many non union members enjoy terms and conditions improved by union involvement.and they never appreciate or admit it. XXX" | |||
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"if folk don't want to work sack them, and get people in who do" It's because of your outdated attitude that Unions were introduced, sadly, “some” employers are reverting back to that old attitude “if you don't like it, there's the door” | |||
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"if folk don't want to work sack them, and get people in who do It's because of your outdated attitude that Unions were introduced, sadly, “some” employers are reverting back to that old attitude “if you don't like it, there's the door” " But they can afford to adopt that attitude - there are plenty people looking for work, and tbh, I agree with it. If you don't want to work - there's the door. "Hello Mr New Employee and welcome to our company" Half the problems of this country today were caused by trade unions holding us by the balls. The pitmen didn't want to dig coal, so we get it from Poland and all our pits are closed The shipyards didn't want to build ships, so the Koreans kindly took over doing the job and our shipyards are gone. The car workers didn't want to make cars, wey hey said the Japs, we'll do it, and they did, a lot better than we ever did ... All this militant behaviour backed and probably instigated by unions ..... | |||
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" "Hello Mr New Employee and welcome to our company" Half the problems of this country today were caused by trade unions holding us by the balls. The pitmen didn't want to dig coal, so we get it from Poland and all our pits are closed The shipyards didn't want to build ships, so the Koreans kindly took over doing the job and our shipyards are gone. The car workers didn't want to make cars, wey hey said the Japs, we'll do it, and they did, a lot better than we ever did ... All this militant behaviour backed and probably instigated by unions ....." Labour Costs.....the real reason behind Coal from Poland....Steel from India....Cars from Slovakia....Ships from South Korea.... The average hourly rate for a worker on a Polish coal face is less than two thirds of our minimum wage. | |||
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"if folk don't want to work sack them, and get people in who do It's because of your outdated attitude that Unions were introduced, sadly, “some” employers are reverting back to that old attitude “if you don't like it, there's the door” But they can afford to adopt that attitude - there are plenty people looking for work, and tbh, I agree with it. If you don't want to work - there's the door. "Hello Mr New Employee and welcome to our company" Half the problems of this country today were caused by trade unions holding us by the balls. The pitmen didn't want to dig coal, so we get it from Poland and all our pits are closed The shipyards didn't want to build ships, so the Koreans kindly took over doing the job and our shipyards are gone. The car workers didn't want to make cars, wey hey said the Japs, we'll do it, and they did, a lot better than we ever did ... All this militant behaviour backed and probably instigated by unions ....." There's a lot of talk about people who "don't want to work". Apart from a small minority this is total bollocks. 1. It isn't a matter of "don't want to work" It is a matter of "not prepared to have my hard won conditions ripped up and some monkey employed instead of me for half the money and no pension / sick provisions / for more contracted hours etc. 2. Pitmen didn't want to work?? Bollocks. They didn't go on strike for a year because they didn't want to work. They struck because the Thatcher scum millionaire cronies were set on closing the pits. They fought for their jobs. Huh! It's only right wing hatred of every concession that Unions have wrung out of the moneyed classes over the last hundred years that set the Thatcherite scum on a Union breaking course which took the rest of industry down the tubes with it. They didn't care about this because they had their cash and could cash in on the new oriental and eastern European markets to make even more cash. They aren't British, they are out for themselves only. 3. Same for the shipyards. 4, Same for the car industry. Yes there was much unrest in the car industry which was levelled at the unions, but it was totally management fault in the first place. It was management that didn't manage shift working and quality control and it was management that failed to invest and was complacent. It was management that took all the profits and pocketed them. The last example of this being the scandalous situation with MG Rover where the bosses pocketed millions leaving the company to founder. the Japs only do it better as they invest, copy, learn and have far more integrity between management and workers. They also have better quality control. All management issues. And actually I don't think they do do it better than we ever did. That is just not true. You can't level all the blame at the door of the Unions when Management have been a total disaster across the board with selfish short term get rich quick policies and to hell with what happens to the company when they have had their golden handshakes and million pound severances. All Unions want is decent conditions for workers and the diabolical attitude of managements have made conflicts inevitable. | |||
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"Unions don't carry much power these days, anyone with an employment issue would be much better off having ½ hour free with an employment lawyer." The only time they don't have power is if the members are apathetic. As I said earlier and others have said also,a union is only as strong as its members,the members are the union. Remember the old saying "The workers united will never be defeated"? Whats the point in paying for an employment lawyer when you can get advice and lawyers for free if your in a union? XXX | |||
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"Whats the point in paying for an employment lawyer when you can get advice and lawyers for free if your in a union? " If you're one person in a workforce of 100 employees with no shop steward, then being a member of a union is pointless, I know from my own experience, the only time a union want to become involved is a) if an accident occurs through the companies negligence b) if one is disciplined / dismissed and the company has disregarded legislation, I stand by what I posted, ½ hour with an employment lawyer is ½ well spent. | |||
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"Obviously you don't remember the 70's when the electricity was turned off on a rota syatem because the pitmen wouldn't dig coal to fuel the power stations or the days when British Leyland were on strike because they didn't have a long enough tea break Or the days when Tyneside made the best ships in the world, but lost out to the Koreans because they never got ships completed on time because they were always going on bloody strike I remember it well" You've forgotten the steelworkers and railway workers | |||
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